NY 168: (GAME OVER) The Mod is Dead, Fire and Ice Edition
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oh we have started i'll start with a serious vote. RVS deniedIn post 19, YuniChikako wrote:I almost voted Slandaar for being so dang impatient, and because I have nothing to do at the moment, but I'll shut up for now.
VOTE: Yunichikwowwow
I don't like this response from Yuni. I don't understand the reason why she didn't place the vote down. If it was because of the pregame thing why did she respond to it and why did she show intent to vote.-
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.Slandaar town gut and just him getting the game rolling.
.Bulbz Town I like his inquisitive feel he has
.Maxous probs town on him this mostly gut from my previous town game I had with him.
.toonami "post 32" yuck you can be shifted next ontop of Yunichikawowwow null-scum
.desp "post 33" That's what i was thinking and what I was getting at with my post 23
.Aptil you can sit in the naughty corner(Null-scum) because that was bad why would you want to stay in rvs???-
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Curious panda here why would you read him to be fire and not ice?In post 46, mastin2 wrote:
True and (probably) true, but that doesn't mean you are.In post 24, Maxous wrote:Garmr's town.
I think Slandaar is too.
vote: ArcAngel9
What took you so long to get in here?
(In actuality, if Maxous is scum at all [meh], my actual read on him would beFire, not Ice.)
Actually, Yuni claimed mislynch bait in their first post. I realize the twoIn post 31, Desperado wrote:Yuni was kind enough to eliminate the RVS stage this game by scumclaiming their first post. You should oblige and vote them.looksimilar, so I can understand the confusion, but I, being Jesus, know her alignment to be town, not scum, and that's the difference between the two.-
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Lol Just got the reason why you refereed to him as ice I'm slow. Don't think that's valid but lol.
@electricsavage you made a spelling mistake it's Yunichikawowwow not YuniChikako.
Sorry, Corrected ~JS-
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He isn't voting arc???In post 68, YuniChikako wrote:Actually, UNVOTE: Slandaar
VOTE: Bulbazak
I have a bad feeling about him. Seems to be a good when talking, a good player, but just the thought of him being inno forms a pit in my stomach. Plus, why in the world is he voting Arc, of all people?
He hasn't even mentioned DBZ in his two posts potential scum slip?In post 68, YuniChikako wrote:Toomai: I'll might be able to say something once he stops/finishes his dbz marathon and talks more.-
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EBWOPIn post 69, Garmr wrote:
He isn't voting arc???In post 68, YuniChikako wrote:Actually, UNVOTE: Slandaar
VOTE: Bulbazak
I have a bad feeling about him. Seems to be a good when talking, a good player, but just the thought of him being inno forms a pit in my stomach. Plus, why in the world is he voting Arc, of all people?
He hasn't even mentioned DBZ in his two posts potential scum slip?In post 68, YuniChikako wrote:Toomai: I'll might be able to say something once he stops/finishes his dbz marathon and talks more.
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This is Yunichikawowwow only game.In post 71, Yiley wrote:Pssible other game or some such garmr. So hey wagons are fun so why don't I jump in to this bulba wagon.
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@Maxous how do you feel about toonami's response
In post 76, Toomai wrote:Er, why exactly is this YC wagon growing so fast?
And why is Yiley so desperate to get on a wagon?
Vote: Yiley
I presume you just made this up.In post 68, YuniChikako wrote:Toomai: I'll might be able to say something once he stops/finishes his dbz marathon and talks more.
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EBWOP to make the sentence flow.In post 86, Garmr wrote:@Maxous
Before I tell you what I think fully. I want you to think why would someone respond this way.
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@Aptil
Information I mean anyone can give quick reads early on in the game If you break the rvs in the first page I'll use myself as an example.
Through this covers 6 people It not that detailed and just a quick early game feel to get my reads across and to see peoples reactions I wouldn't hold it that strongly latter game. It's main purpose is to gain a feel for the players and start up discussion.In post 43, Garmr wrote:.Slandaar town gut and just him getting the game rolling.
.Bulbz Town I like his inquisitive feel he has
.Maxous probs town on him this mostly gut from my previous town game I had with him.
.toonami "post 32" yuck you can be shifted next ontop of Yunichikawowwow null-scum
.desp "post 33" That's what i was thinking and what I was getting at with my post 23
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@Mastin
That's a possibility that the wagon has 3-5 scum on is possible but I was thinking 2-4 Because I think Scum would also like to distance themselves from each other. But even with that you missed out on pointing out something vital. Even with that number of scum on the wagon there is still a good chance Yunichikawowwow Is still scum herself. But I have a feeling you left that out your post on purpose to catch scum dropping off the wagon like flies at the slightest chance they may be pinned as scummy/Able to keep a partner in the game.-
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@Maxous
The reason I said look at it in none alignment way was I was trying to get you to think. I didn't want to shove Ideas into your head so what I wanted you to see and figure out for yourself was the effect he wanted from his post. Which was distance.In post 94, Maxous wrote:unvote, vote: Toomai
Clearly I was sleepy this morning.
Garmr's right, wtf was that comment.
Since we have two scum team distance is going to play a big part in scum hunting since scum will be legit hunting. The next step I was going to ask you to do was think this was this town trying to distance themselves from potential buddying or scum trying to stop a scum slip.-
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-facepalms- I didn't get that joke. You explained you pretty much stood against all my questioning then and that slip wasn't a slip. Through I didn't like the way you talked about me
But at the time being that isn't enough evidence to label you as scum and the other things you stood up well against.In post 68, YuniChikako wrote:Garmr: Could see him being town, something of a leader, but I could just as easily see him as being misleading scum. Eeeeh, he's probably town, but if he starts being scummy, I'm gonna notice.
UNVOTE: Yunichikwowwow
and even through I am suspicious of toonami I will vote Yiley
VOTE: Yiley
He seems like his dodging Bulbs question by not explaining fully or not answering post 81(Didn't anwser fully) post 93 doesn't even mention it. There's other reasons as well but I want to see who's thinking-
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Well I was trying to get others to think but another reason is when I denied to go on your wagon. Yiley instanally jumped to the wagon I was on. I didn't like that it was like an attempt to get close to town.
This post also rings to me he want to be on a scum wagon but his aiming to dodge the bullet from scum on the other team by trying to look like useless town.In post 77, Yiley wrote:I like wagons ok? Wagons are fun. I'll probably try to start one soon but for right now I need a place to sit, and I like sitting on wagons.-
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Wow I sparked a little discussion. Anyway lets look back on it.
I liked Desp and Bulb reaction to Matias. It was questioning into hs reason other than yuck and blah.
His a bit cocky here null but I think this shows he thinks it's a good enough reason to vote in his own mind.In post 132, Matias wrote:I dare any of you to give me 3 good reasons why this guy is town. Secondary sights on Maxous.
Post 137
Ok things get interesting this post he reveals his reasons some of these have been addressed by Bulb and Desp but I want to answer these myself
But lets mention them here I'll leave out one till latter in my post.
Reason-1: Not getting a joke-Actually didn't get a joke till latter not really a solid lead.
Reason-2 Me not liking the bulbz wagon and apparently not being clear. Yuni is self explanatory JKLM is more a gut read. At the time I didn't like his push on the bulb wagon as it looked like to me he was trying to get mastin to join him so he would have a inflectional player to push the wagon for him so he wouldn't get to much attention from the other team. That was my reasoning for not liking him at the time.
Reason-3: You didn't like the Yunichikawowwow wagon.-Lol I explained enough why I thought she was scum and she was a solid wagon now shes a maybe wagon.
Reason 4 Yiley and Jklm have very similar reasons through Just my gut pings more for Yiley. Also yes I have a couple of reads I haven't said yet because I'm focusing on a couple people at a time otherwise my points might get swept away.
Reason 5Left this to last for a reason
What I was getting at what I was trying to accomplish was to get to come to his own conclusion and not influence him. Also what I was saying was what Toomai was trying to do was distance himself from Yunichikawowwow not Yiley. This shows the attention your paying to my posts :/In post 137, Matias wrote:
This gave me a definite "insider knowledge" feel, Garmr positing that Toomai has distanced himself from Yiley (even though Yiley really hasn't done THAT much wrong) and then trying to get Maxous to believe the same. I sense a great connect between Maxous and Garmr, like Garmr is doing a lot of coaching. It gives me bad feels.In post 123, Garmr wrote:@Maxous
The reason I said look at it in none alignment way was I was trying to get you to think. I didn't want to shove Ideas into your head so what I wanted you to see and figure out for yourself was the effect he wanted from his post. Which was distance.In post 94, Maxous wrote:unvote, vote: Toomai
Clearly I was sleepy this morning.
Garmr's right, wtf was that comment.
Since we have two scum team distance is going to play a big part in scum hunting since scum will be legit hunting. The next step I was going to ask you to do was think this was this town trying to distance themselves from potential buddying or scum trying to stop a scum slip.
But the real issue here is why do you think it has a insider feel. What insider knowledge would I possess that would influence this post?
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Can you tell me the point of faux scum hunting in multi scum game and not liking the bulb wagons been explained?In post 183, Antihero wrote:On page 3, Garmr's posts are coming off as faux scumhunting. Odd criticism of the bulba wagon too-
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I don't feel like hopping on it the dry fit wagon but my opinion on the it is his post have been pretty null till post 220 which seems suspicious. Through compared to behavior from the likes of Jklm who has more posts that ring scummy to me.
This shows a sit back attitude something what multiscum want to do. He wants others to hunt for him.In post 198, JKLM wrote:This game further proves that I will have difficulty forever on trying to read gamr.
I've got nothing to say right now honestly so I'm gonna sit back and watch a lot of this. May as well ask a question to mastin, TSO and matias: what is the scummiest post so far?
He Is the one to set up a wagon yet he jumps off onto Yuni wagon. This is a multi scum game it's possible both are scum. Yet the bolded bit seems to imply a single scum hunt mind set. He feels it is his fault for letting the other scum team have a counter wagon.In post 79, JKLM wrote:VOTE: yuni
Sorry but you're def scum now with that post containing your crappy reads list andshe melds self counterwagoning which is partially my fault for building.Let's lynch you tidy shall we?
Mastin at the time was a influential player and Jklm probably wanted someone he views as town to start a counter wagon with him so he wouldn't look as suspicious and that way if he was right scum would more likely should mastin due to the amount of potential evidence he would produce to the case.
This post here suggest to if JKLM was town he would of avoided the Yuni wagon but he goes back on his word when his counter wagon isn't really taking off. If Jklm is scum there's a possibility yuni is his partner.In post 64, JKLM wrote:No you wouldn't. As town you would have.-
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I don't like toomai's posting and haven't really liked it from the start the start. He seems to always being trying to cover himself and this post is just another example of him doing so. I didn't like the way he covered himself with the joke incident but I let that go as it could of been town trying to distance since it was a joke. But scum also wouldn't want to be dragged in the spotlight.In post 253, Toomai wrote:
Oh was I supposed to say "In post 249, Matias wrote:
Um...In post 248, Toomai wrote:Ilikeand agree with the players on the Dry-fit wagon. TheYiley wagon is kinda not going anywhere at this pointanyway.
Vote: Dry-fit
Help me out, Toomai, are you scum?Dry - Fit[5] -Desperado, Matias,Yiley, mastin2, T S O
Yiley [2] -Toomai, Garmrmostof the players"?
"This a multiscum game I still think she could be scum but as you know scum is hunting scum as well (then a reason why you think they are both are scum)" That would of been a town response I would expect from him if he is town. But like JKLM his in a single scum hunting mind set. I am not opposed to a toomai lynch but I just want to bring JKLM to attention what do you think about my post on him.-
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This is my first multi scum game as well but I have had something similar before so I'm applying my knowledge from that.In post 261, Toomai wrote:
Reasonable expectation, but note that I have never played multiball before, so I'm somewhat clueless as to how to do so.In post 259, Garmr wrote:"This a multiscum game I still think she could be scum but as you know scum is hunting scum as well (then a reason why you think they are both are scum)" That would of been a town response I would expect from him if he is town. But like JKLM his in a single scum hunting mind set. I am not opposed to a toomai lynch but I just want to bring JKLM to attention what do you think about my post on him.-
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If this is aimed at me.It's jklms scumminess.
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@TS0 it to my a couple of mins to realize this post is even aimed at me but
We agree that that part was bad then but I'll disagree on the other part and lean to my suggestion since this is not the Jklm I played against when he was town. Not once in the 76 posts that game did he sit back and let others do his work he went straight in there.In post 267, T S O wrote:In post 198, JKLM wrote:
This game further proves that I will have difficulty forever on trying to read gamr.
I've got nothing to say right now honestly so I'm gonna sit back and watch a lot of this. May as well ask a question to mastin, TSO and matias: what is the scummiest post so far?
The part where he asks the scummiest post is bad, I'll admit. The rest? Laziness, and I sure can empathise with that.
The thing what I was trying to point out is to me it looked like he was more annoyed he had made his job harder and the singular mind set. Also the reason I linked this postIn post 267, T S O wrote:
This looks to me like standard scumhunting. Wrong, but not scummy. I can't understand where you picked up that he felt ashamed of the other team running up ...Town? Why would he even be ashamed of that?In post 79, JKLM wrote:VOTE: yuni
Sorry but you're def scum now with that post containing your crappy reads list and she melds self counterwagoning which is partially my fault for building. Let's lych you tidy shall we?
For this to even partially work, you must assume both me and the person the wagon is on are scum.
Is because it contradicts his latter activity once the wagons taking a big leap.In post 64, JKLM wrote:No you wouldn't. As town you would have.
This is not Insecure town this Scum looking for cover. JKLM is straight in the action with his no regrets personality. Unless he has changed his meta since the last game with me this not his town game.In post 267, T S O wrote:In post 56, JKLM wrote:
Hey mastin
Wanna get a counter wagon going?
He asks Mastin because he doesn't feel he has the necessary pull or authority to do it by himself. This is insecure town.-
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Sorry i was focused in my game that was a mylo (I lost ) and I nearly forgot this one.
There's nothing to exciting in the posts that made me want to change my vote but Just a few events that should be published.
.My gut churns when Pereginge V is around as I feel like his not hunting and just is here.
.Since no one else mentioned it Evilpacman post was not a strong opener as it only really gave one line of thought on Jklm and looked like he was half asleep while writing it.
.Toonami has nothing to change my opinion of him.
.Yuni post 293 Kinda meh all it did was bring together over peoples post and painted it as her own opinion and didn't say much new about anything.
.Still see town Slaandar don't agree with his view on Jklm.
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To be honest Dry-fit was Null read to me before but looking a bit deeper he is a bit sketchy. He didn't really show anything that hit my scumdar until he was pressured. What I learned the hard way from a certain player named Wake88 that even town can look scummy under pressure. But even ignoring the flailing his been deflecting the issue A lot. Also he seems to have clouded himself a bit and hasn't really offered views on a majority of events in the game. In fact he hasn't said anything about JKLM,Bulbazak or I and we have all been subject points to debate at one point. It's like his only concerned about the game state that revolves around him.In post 318, PeregrineV wrote:
I'm a Zen Buddhist. I don't find scum, they find me.In post 309, Garmr wrote:.My gut churns when Pereginge V is around as I feel like his not hunting and just is here.
But for really, what's your opinion on Dry-fit and his wagon?
His wagon through is mixed with people I like (Desparodo,Matias,mastin2) people I don't (Yiley,Toomai) and the unreadable (TSO) but then again this is a multi scum game and scum want to get rid of opposing scum.
So in short I wouldn't mind to lynch of him I do want people to see my point on Jklm but people seem to be strongly defending him which I don't understand why as most of the tells peoples use to say his town are null tells or just behavioral traits he has.-
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Yeh my grammar sucks sorry about that. But yes this was what I was asking for and to be honest I Also do see the points others are making as well but I do not agree with everyone of them. I see Dry-fit as scummy for deflecting and his self centered behavior.In post 347, Toomai wrote:
You worded this funny. As I understand it, it's something like "Do you think, from this one post only (116), Maxous is scummy, Dry-fit is scummy, or both?". If so, my response is: 116 doesn't directly change any opinion of mine on Maxous, but I see the "no one loks scummy, but this guy looks scummy" of Dry-fit's as an excuse to get on a wagon, possibly specifically with Maxous. I think that's suspicious at best. Other people with more skill than me are saying Dry-fit is scummy for that and other reasons, so I currently agree that Dry-fit is scummy. Maxous I'm undecided on in general.In post 333, Garmr wrote:Maybe I should of been more clear(Looks at tso) do you think that maxous is scummy or Dry-fit or they both look scummy from this post?
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Your still thinking in single scum games and this is why you fail like hell.In post 396, mastin2 wrote:
Ah, Bulbazak.In post 345, Bulbazak wrote:Get ready. He's scum this game.
Pull this stunt as town, shame on you.
Pull this stunt as scum and get away with it, shame on me.
A part of me wonders if Dry-fit and Bulbazak are on the scumteam and the scumteams have daytalk, with them legitimately thinking I'm scum. That part of me, however, is called "my ego", and for the sake of retaining some semblance of humbleness, I'm forced to nix that theory.In post 365, Dry-fit wrote:Here's a notice for you: Sheeping mastin is a very bad idea this game. He's offered very few reads, hasn't responded to any of the things I've addressed to him even though I'm apparently his top priority, and after his catchup offers nothing but shitty wagon analysis.
Much as I appreciate (and actually quite love) people sheeping me, I don't remember you having this much respect for my abilities as town. So, spill the beans; what gives?In post 352, OhGodMyLife wrote:I suck at self motivating right now so I'm just gonna blatantly sheep Mastin until further notice.
*points to vote*In post 356, PeregrineV wrote:
I asked first.In post 336, mastin2 wrote:
What's YOURS?In post 318, PeregrineV wrote:But for really, what's your opinion on Dry-fit and his wagon?
Your turn.
You're quite correct, the L-1 wagon IS concerning, but aside from maaaaaaybe-Desp (but not really), maybe-Matias, somewhat-OGML, and PeregrineV, there aren't any names on it I can realistically see as being scum. And even then, most of those names aren't scumreads. The wagon looks town-driven.
As an aside--the JKLM feels like a counterwagon on town to a dominant wagon on scum(Dry-fit).
Lets look at a list of what dry-fit has done scummy compared to JKLM.
Dryfit-deflecting,ate,Only gives opions on events related to him.
Jklm-
1.Ignoring posts all together,A bad sheeped reason to vote dry fit
2.Also done a ate(Straight after voting someone for a ate)
3.Wants other people to do the scum hunting for him
4.Does a hypocritical vote on to the largest wagon at the time which he made a counter wagon for
5.Also voting for the largest wagons with out contributing anything to them
6.Has had numerous people defend him for his supposed townish actions.
7.JKLM his in a single scum hunting mind set.
8.JKLM is not playing to his town meta where he doesn't sheep others and makes decisions of his own accord.
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@ Maxous
Here's your answers.
Point 4-yep the wagon of yuni is the one I am referring to.
point 8-no this would be a first but other problems arrive from his meta.
Extra evidence from his meta
Also JKLM hates being scum and he hasn't shown the same enthusiasm in this game as others.
I believe his going to try this approach again with his latest activity.In post 592, JKLM wrote:I literally went in to this game (because I hate scum so much) dive bombing and tunneling so had that I hoped I'd e read as VI (it's happened before and it's a great position to be in) or it would distance Skelda from me being my partner. I would have had to go thru with a successful night kill to eliminate the scum teams to one and two but it could have happened.
What really happened was life and me sucking at mafia.
Also he seems to downgrade himself as scumIn post 40, JKLM wrote:I'm a very wishy washy person. You could even see that in the current game I'm playing. This vote is mostly for pressure for now.
While town JklmIn post 240, JKLM wrote:Oh
I see. As I've said before its a possibility that he's just not aware that its a BAD thing to overstate your fence sitting. He proceeds to EVEN more repeat his indicisiveness. I wouldn't put it off as GURANTEED scum but it IS something.
I think that's all basically. I also don't like like kinda that he literally is saying he's not really putting his vote towards his own opinion, it rubs me wrong.
But due to EVERYTHING so far he'd be null, scumish as of recently,
But historically so far he leans town.
P edit: it came off as a slight attack but yeah stupid me it really isn't when you read it better, I wasn't payin attention because I was about I go in to your read.
He also takes an offensive scum approach early game as well similar to this and most of the time jumping on a counterwagon at the start(That may be coincidental through).In post 256, JKLM wrote:If that was true I would have gone with Micc, and not taken forever to just get an "easy lynch."
Don't try and divert attention to me, scum.
I can go onand I could draw even more posts. But it's obvious that if someone with little meta-diving experience like me could draw this much out of just two of his scum games then someone like empire or the like would easily be able to pin him as scum.about his scum meta being near exact to this game.
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I've listed so many things why JKLM is scum. But this Bolded part shows me something important. You have confirmation bias because even when thrown heaps of information that JKLM you still believe him to be town. Lets put it this way JKLM>Dryfit chances to be scum.In post 429, mastin2 wrote:
Because he is?In post 399, Garmr wrote:Tell me how this guy is a town wagon again.
I might not be an expert at JKLM.But I'd like to think I'm not incompetent at reading him, and he looks like town.
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There's one hyphenated that nullifies that reasoning until at least after some flips.In post 434, Dry-fit wrote:Also Toomai is on that wagon, so there's that.
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So anyone notice that we have 5 days left. Yuni thinks Jklm is scummy but won't get on the wagon because two people look like to her. People tell her that it is multi scum and she ignores it. Then she says she wants to vote Maxous before Jklm because she doesn't want to compromise then she Votes dry fit.
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@Desp
Simple it's highly possible jklm-aptil scum team.
Aptil really did nothing that was town day 1 and the only thing of worth that scummy hammer. It was like he was trying to save a scum buddy. Due to the hammer. Aptil is most likely going to be ice-scum as Maxous was pushing Jklm and Jklm-Aptil seem a better scum team than Aptil-Maxous.
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Jklm,Yuni and I was starting to like Dry fit at the end even through I pegged him as scummy at first.In post 499, Matias wrote:
What reads were that? Just JKLM?In post 483, Garmr wrote:So Tso you see nothing wrong with hammer? I'm extremely frustrated at that hammer I felt I had found genuine scum and The hammer seemed opportunistic as I had just built momentum on JKLM. It felt like all my reads were pissed on and then shoved down my fucking throat.
Trying to catch up and I figured I start with your reads.
By the way, I missed the second half of day 1 due to life, sickness, random shit, so I'll need help coming back from the dead here-
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