NY 168: (GAME OVER) The Mod is Dead, Fire and Ice Edition
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Just finished reading this trainwreck of a game.
Also, skipped over mastin's name in the dead list. If he were alive I would be pursuing her with the fiery anger of a thousand burning suns.
Not seeing any reason not to lynch Rach. Her entire posting is meh.
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Anyone who attacks you is scum? That is what it sounds like.
What misreps? And I find it hard to believe you are low-hanging fruit in this game when you replaced ArcAngel on Day 1 and it is now Day 6.Rach wrote: his case on me is misreps and about the fact I stated I am low hanging fruit, which is something anyone who knows me knows is true.
Talk about a misrep.And clearly he is picking me because I voted him.
Bulba and TSO are conftown for the moment as far as I am concerned, but Garmr was scum and I would rather clarify again.
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Misrep. I do not like people calling themselves lynchbait, but that is not the most substantial reason for voting her. First, POE basically restricts the lynch pool to myself, Pere, and Rach. Second, she would be a fire maf in all likelyhood, which means her accurate push on aptil is irrelevant. Third, her reaction to the Desp lynch was just plain bad. Fourth, I have not read the entire thread that closely so I apologize if I missed something.
If she were actually low-hanging fruit she would be dead by definition. Unless our definitions differ.And that makes her not low-hanging fruit how?
I agree that he could have been truthful. Why not mod-confirm it? I already said I consider you both confirmed town. Why would you not rather actually be confirmed town?This is a useless question, only meant to make it look as if you're trying to figure things out. Garmr has already stated that both teams are all vanilla. We have no reason to doubt him, because he was throwing the game at the time. This means that he would have been completely truthful in everything he was saying.Currently partying at the-- a Large Normal for 21 revelers.M A S Q U E R A D E-
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So what are you waiting for; hammer me? The only possible scum are Rach, Pere, and I, as far as I can tell. Unless you can neighborize scum, but Bulba's posting as been consistently awesome.
So this game is simply a matter of deciding which one of the three of us is not scum and lynching the other two.Currently partying at the-- a Large Normal for 21 revelers.M A S Q U E R A D E-
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Great. So one of Pere and I is scum. Game solved.
And an easily-fakable death post should be a null tell. I do it every single game as scum and town. Not providing one is basically a scumclaim unless the player is pissed-off town. I mean, I have no problem dying today, but Rach really should be lynched tomorrow.Currently partying at the-- a Large Normal for 21 revelers.M A S Q U E R A D E-
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When I was reading through the game, I found his posts informative, incisive, and insightful. I must admit great personal bias given his strong attack on mastin, whom I expecting to flip scum given how terrible her posts were.
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I am not qualified to say. You are more than welcome to link to past games you would find useful. But he did start the Desp wagon and pressed Desp for trying to lynch Toomai before anyone else did. I mean, his interactions with Desp speak for themselves. Again, I see nothing that causes me to believe Bulba is scum even for a second. Also noteworthy is this exchange:
In post 996, PeregrineV wrote:Back and not much to change this. Would also vote Desp.In post 997, Bulbazak wrote:
Then why don't you?In post 996, PeregrineV wrote:Back and not much to change this. Would also vote Desp.Currently partying at the-- a Large Normal for 21 revelers.M A S Q U E R A D E-
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No, I did not. You are more than welcome to quoteIn post 1402, Bulbazak wrote:Youdidcall her suspicious for saying she was low-hanging fruit. How am I misrepping you? Was that not a point against her?an explicit statement of mineif you feel differently; I will concede then.
If scum consistently refuses to push a mislynch on low-hanging fruit, it seems that the fruit is not so low-hanging after all. In this case, potentiality need become reality for the definition of low-hanging to be fulfilled, otherwise we are simply making theoretical statements about how difficult it would be to lynch someone who is never actually lynched.In post 1388, Aegor wrote:Low-hanging fruit are easy targets for a mislynch. That does not necessarily mean that theywillbe mislynched.
This line of questioning is simply over if your only argument is to a motivation that only I know. I was simply confused about how Garmr could be completely 100% certain that the neighborizer is town. And that question clearly did not make me look good, and although I am a terrible player, surely you are not claiming that I am so naïve as to believe that asking such a question will gain me any towncred at all.In post 1388, Aegor wrote:Common sense tells us we're looking at even scum teams. Simple setup spec tells us we're likely looking at a low power game, meaning all vanilla teams. Also, this is a question that the mod willnever answer. It's only purpose is to make you look good by asking it. Also, what's with the conf. town question? It almost sounds threatening. Also, as TSO said, I'm not conf. town.Currently partying at the-- a Large Normal for 21 revelers.M A S Q U E R A D E-
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That is complete BS. I am sorry that you are incapable of restricting your reading to what is posted, but that is not my problem. Surely I can comment on something without it being a reason to think someone is town or scum.In post 1404, Bulbazak wrote:Oh, that's right. You didn'tsayit. You implied it. With emotes. That way when someone called you out, you could say, "I neversaidthat. Misrep!", because calling misrep makes you look like a victim, and therefore, townier.
Until they do, it makes no sense to label something low-hanging fruit. The fact that it is low-hanging can only be validatedIn post 1403, Aegor wrote:I never said that scum refuse to push such a mislynch.ex post facto.
Players did not; Rach stated it several times. Anyway, this discussion is inane and semantic and no longer helpful IMO, having revealed everything it is going to.What happens in the case of low-hanging fruit not being lynched is that some town players noticed what was going on and called the lynch out for what it was. You never see a claim that X is low-hanging fruit after the fact, only during the push. If the term was only reserved for those who got lynched, this wouldn't be the case.
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What the fuck are you talking about? The fact that the case on Rach came from scum is irrelevantIn post 1408, Bulbazak wrote:So you're just dismissing all low-hanging fruit discussions, because it's multiball? "Well, it doesn't count because there are 2 scum teams." How does that negate the scum tell? If that slot was still alive, and we were trying to figure out who was scum, would you still dismiss the low-hanging fruit argument because of multiball? What other arguments would you dismiss? Should we even bother scumhunting as usual, or is it a moot point because of "multiball"?because the other faction has an incentive to lynch scum, too. Going after low-hanging fruit is not a scumtell to me, and even if it were, it STILL does not apply here because the both factions are trying to KILL EACH OTHER.
That is such a huge straw man I just cannot even understand what you are doing. I never said that Rach was scum because she labeled herself low-hanging fruit. Never once did I even suggest that argument. And the fact that the person pushing for her lynch was scum is irrelevant because it is a multiball game. If you can demonstrate that aptil thought that Rach was town and not scum, go right ahead. I will concede. But unless you can do that, the fact that a scumball from theother team, the win condition of which requires the extermination of all opposing scum, was the one pushing her lynch is irrelevant to me.Currently partying at the-- a Large Normal for 21 revelers.M A S Q U E R A D E-
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I think you assume your death at night too easily. I am not strongly opposed to lynching today, but I am not assuming you will be the NK either.In post 1419, Bulbazak wrote:We should lynch today. No lynching is not going to change anything. I'll be dead, and town will be left with Rach, PV, and yourself. There's no reason to drag this out to a day when there will be the same decision with 1 less person.Currently partying at the-- a Large Normal for 21 revelers.M A S Q U E R A D E-
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Right, but if we do all the discussion today and come to a consensus, we can just act on that consensus tomorrow. You have no guarantee that you will die tonight. And even if you do, you will have posted your reads and would-be vote. Unless you are worried that the scum will somehow manipulate himself out of a planned lynch tomorrow, or you have more nefarious motives for pushing a lynch with as many players in the game as possible.Currently partying at the-- a Large Normal for 21 revelers.M A S Q U E R A D E-
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I really do not. I do, however, want to be lynched with dignity, which would include being lynched for non-ridiculous reasons. Is that too much to ask?In post 1450, Bulbazak wrote:This is funny coming from the guy who said he didn't care if he got lynched.
I did not freak out. Why are you such a pathological liar?Yet, you get 1 vote on you, and you suddenly pop back in the thread and freak out
I am not casting doubt on PV. I am simply saying that he is not conftown. How are those two things the same in your mind?and try to cast doubt on PV.
No, which is why I was not surprised.Were our suspicions really that surprising to you, even though we stated them earlier on the same page?
IDC. I replaced into this game very late. I lose regardless of alignment if I am lynched today, so I think you three should just make a decision already. Just do not base that decision on an erroneous understanding of the roles. That being said, I would recommend lynching scum, not me. And I am still in favor of a no lynch.Or is it now that there is a vote on you, the prospect of you losing is so much more real?Currently partying at the-- a Large Normal for 21 revelers.M A S Q U E R A D E-
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Rach, there is no need. The Wiki on Neighborizer is here. The role by definition does not involve guarantee of alignment, otherwise it is a Masonizer or some such. You are more than welcome to ask the mod for clarification if you are still uncertain.Currently partying at the-- a Large Normal for 21 revelers.M A S Q U E R A D E-
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IDK about my vote-unvote; I was playing my wildcard and hoping for some reactions after the unvote. Then I realized that it was a terrible idea in every way. And I did not even get any reaction, so it was a total bust.
Anyway, Rach kill makes no sense to me when Bulba was available, but whatever. Analysis is pointless.
I am still leaning Pere. His vote on Desp in 1081 is not particularly impressive, and his follow-up on Rach is bizarrely slow. Any elucidation on that from him would be helpful.
I was suspected by everyone yesterday, so I am happy to address anything or answer questions. I obviously cannot answer for NJAC.Currently partying at the-- a Large Normal for 21 revelers.M A S Q U E R A D E-
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In post 1501, PeregrineV wrote:
Well, you're lynched and Bulba said he's not scum. And I'm not.In post 1500, Aegor wrote:I didn't. I did not kill anyone because I am not scum.
@Bulba-why the trolling? If not, thenAegor, why the trolling?PV, why the trolling?Currently partying at the-- a Large Normal for 21 revelers.M A S Q U E R A D E-
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Sorry Fire team. I know my NK was unorthodox, but after my case on Rach did not really gain any steam, and after Bulba insisted he would be NKed, I decided to take a risk. I guess I miscalculated how much PV actually suspected Rach.Currently partying at the-- a Large Normal for 21 revelers.M A S Q U E R A D E-
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If I am understanding you correct, then my original assessment was right. I discerned that swinging a lynch on Rach with you, she, and I in lylo would be difficult given NJAC's history, so I tried to take advantage of the WIFOm of Bulb surviving. Killing you would ahve made no sense because Bulb was not going to vote for Rach anyway and Rach rightly thought I was off.Currently partying at the-- a Large Normal for 21 revelers.M A S Q U E R A D E-
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I know. Bummer. It was a bit hard to influence the game when I replaced in so late...In post 1528, PeregrineV wrote:
It almost worked.In post 1527, Aegor wrote:If I am understanding you correct, then my original assessment was right. I discerned that swinging a lynch on Rach with you, she, and I in lylo would be difficult given NJAC's history, so I tried to take advantage of the WIFOm of Bulb surviving. Killing you would ahve made no sense because Bulb was not going to vote for Rach anyway and Rach rightly thought I was off.Currently partying at the-- a Large Normal for 21 revelers.M A S Q U E R A D E
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