NY 171: An Education in Telling Jokes (Game Over!)

[Kagami]

Hey guys, I've replaced into NS's slot, which appears to be in danger of mislynch.

As soon as my son starts his nap around 1ish, I'll start going over the thread so I can figure out what's happened here. I read fairly quickly. Tl;drs would be much appreciated, as would links to important events, though I'll read the entire thread regardless as soon as I can.

[Kagami]

Well, that saves me the need to read, at least.

[Kagami]

or it doesn't.

[Kagami]

The slot isn't scum, mollie, ns has been lurking in all of his games from the looks of it.

I'm caught up with the major events and have been looking at VCs and the posts surrounding them. I should be done with a full read during the day tomorrow.

My initial appraisal is that the day 1 formerfish counterwagon to zekrom's wagon deserves scrutiny, and I'm trying to work out last two night kills. Peregrin's kill especially makes little sense, unless the scumteam are not mafia at all, but are in fact forest fires taking the form of mafia (which would be decidedly non-normal).

It seems pretty unlikely to me that the scum made use of daychat when they had it, given the terrible play from zekrom and the terrible claims (also, prob no mod-given fake claims), so I'm going to do some meta-diving when I've finished reading.

[Kagami]

Well, quick post search gave me prod dodges. But I see you're not wrong...

Doesn't change the fact, role PM says town.

[Kagami]

Hammering before I've finished reading is a scum-claim, there's absolutely no town motivation for doing so.

I'm vanilla.

[Kagami]

Spoiler: Day 1 wagons

Vote Count 1.7 - zek+fish wagon

Zekrom25

(7) - Marquis,

Porochaz

, pirate mollie, DeathNote, pisskop,

kagami

,

Formerfish

Formerfish

(6) -

Nikanor

, Yates,

Cabd

,

Untrod Tripod

, Elyse, Ythan
Untrod Tripod (3) - tman2nd, Green Crayons,

Zekrom25

pirate mollie (1) -

sthar8

Gooner (1) -

PeregrineV

PeregrineV (1)- RadiantCowbells

Not Voting (2) -

OhGodMyLife

,

Malakittens

Vote count just after zekrom claimed vig. At the time of the claim, UT was on DN and Elyse was on zek. Suggests tman and GC are not scum together, since 3 scum on UT here seems pretty unlikely.

I would expect one or even two scum to be on formerfish, and at most one on zek here. There's the vague possibility that many scum are on zek and the whole claiming thing was organized as a bus given daychat, but I have a hard time seeing zek as anything but a hardcore derp in this game.

Elyse was on zek just prior to this VC, but she jumped immediately on hearing the claim. Not sure that's damning, since I'd have done the same (lynching a claimed 1S vig on day 1 is stupid).

Vote Count 1.10 - burgeoning Sthar wagon

sthar8

(5) - Elyse, Green Crayons, pisskop, Ythan,

Nikanor

Marquis (4) - DeathNote,

PeregrineV

,

Porochaz

,

Untrod Tripod

Zekrom25

(2) -

Formerfish

, Marquis

Formerfish

(1) - Yates

Untrod Tripod

(1) -

Zekrom25

Elyse (1) -

Cabd

RadiantCowbells (1) - RadiantCowbells

Malakittens

(1) - pirate mollie
pirate mollie (1) -

Malakittens

Not Voting (4) -

OhGodMyLife

,

sthar8

,

kagami

, tman2nd

State of the game 2 days prior to deadline, where we see the sthar wagon beginning, which will eventually lead to a lynch. After this point, it's pretty unlikely that an alternative wagon will spring up with the deadline looming, so if marquis is town, scum should be feeling pretty comfortable here. If marquis is scum, then I would presume the wagon is entirely town, while if marquis is town, DeathNote has a good chance of being scum, since the marquis wagon would be a great safety spot for scum-votes. Either way, prob at least one scumvote on sthar by now.

Vote Count 1.13 - lynch wagons

sthar8

(11) - Elyse, Green Crayons, pisskop, Ythan,

Nikanor

,

kagami

, Yates, pirate mollie, Marquis,

Malakittens

,

Formerfish

(LYNCH)
Marquis (6) - DeathNote,

PeregrineV

,

Porochaz

, tman2nd, RadiantCowbells,

Untrod Tripod

Untrod Tripod (1) -

Zekrom25

Elyse (1) -

Cabd

Not Voting (2) -

OhGodMyLife

,

sthar8

Deadline lynch, but interesting in that all of the non-zekrom scum are on a wagon. Do we believe that all of them (almost certainly 4) are on sthar? Prob not. There is one or very likely two scum among DN, tman, and RC.

[Kagami]

Funny. I claimed thinking I was at L-1, but remembered that mollie had unvoted. That wasn't hammer.

[Kagami]

Day 2 wagons prob not worth discussing, since zek scum-claimed. Going through day 3...

[Kagami]

I'm still thinking about the later wagons, but I have to do some actual work at work. I'm largely caught up with the thread.

I've spent the last little bit mason-hunting, though I'd rather not share my theories there. I can post more later tonight.

[Kagami]

UNVOTE: Kagami

Meh. It was worth a shot. Got a claim out of him anyway.

That's not really a good thing, and would be a very bad thing if I were a more valuable role.

[Kagami]

DeathNote the point of a claim is to avoid lynching town utility. What was the point to you?

I was being facetious.

in 2454? How are you reading Marquis?

[Kagami]

I think Deathnote, Mollie, and Ythan are town for various reasons. Two of these are play-based reads, and one who I'm pretty sure is the mason (sorry if this outs you, but it's kind of obvious).

Deathnote town makes me think marquis scum, on the grounds that the counterwagon to sthar was entirely town-led, but I really want nacho's input. The pisskop attempt to counterwagon marquis as the mala wagon built up is pinging pretty hard; nacho-slot being scum would suggest marquis town, probably.

[Kagami]

I'm still up in the air about about GC. I don't find the mala-hammer particularly bussy, but idk.

I still think the formerfish counterwagon to zekrom on day 1

has

to have a scum on it, which means one of you, ythan, and elyse, and I'm townreading ythan. That's kind of where my yates read is right now.

[Kagami]

The last two kills, btw, which were on lynchable vanillas rather than the mason, together with the failure to coach zekrom despite having daychat, makes me think the scumteam contains a lot of derp.

[Kagami]

We are lynching Kagami today. I don't mind letting the discussions go on a bit but a claim was reached and there is no reason to not lynch her. I do appreciate the feedback she is giving though and hopefully the info she is providing will help us catch some scum. I like the VC analysis and normally I don't care at all about them.

If I didn't know you were town, I'd be voting for this in a heartbeat.

[Kagami]

No?

Just because I'm VT does not mean they're going to keep me alive.

[Kagami]

I don't think we need to rely on PRs to win, tbqh

[Kagami]

Eh, I don't think the mason claim was especially bad. It was pretty obvious elyse was indeed a mason, even after the tman flip.

As it was, scum only killed tman because they didn't want to sacrifice yates (who would have been obv-scum if he didn't "protect" the mason). They got lucky, they had no clue he was a mason. If tman had been claimed with elyse, things would have been no different, it just would have made things easier for scum.

Deathnote was in a pretty good position even if yates/antihero had gotten lynched. He'd have just killed the mason, and GC-Ythan would have crossvoted. We won as soon as bulb was lynched.


As a side note, this was an interesting replace-in. I had to be town enough to maybe save the slot without hurting my team if I was lynched. The funny thing is that one of the posts I took the least care in making (with the forest fires) turned out to be the best one.