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I do have vague recollection that perhaps nero earlier had way less idea how many scum there were.
but hey not going back and checking his ISo seems to be nero thing to do so perhaps i wont either. (turn about = fair play, and all that jazz)-
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In post 5476, Nero Cain wrote:In post 5470, Nero Cain wrote:In post 5466, Nero Cain wrote:Who do you think are the other three scum and why, Axle?
Err
In post 5440, Nero Cain wrote:I have no intention of going to look through your iso but I'm positive that you did say that.
Do you still have no intention of actually playing the game and backup your claims about the one read you are voting?-
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In post 5482, Flubbernugget wrote:Are you sure axle is town
I am. Want to talk to me about it?
I am not liking talking to Nero, because
a) rest of town is active (AKA: either know who scum is or gave up caring.) (adding to the gak wont help with the caring)
b) if we get to a LYLO where town has chance of winning scum not knowing everything that everybody thinks makes setting up a patsy harder.
c) 5462 nero has no intention of actually playing the game and justifying his claims against what i actually said
In post 5440, Nero Cain wrote:I have no intention of going to look through your iso but I'm positive that you did say that.
he has no interest or desire to find out his "claimed" (I say fake) memory of what I said is wrong. There is no point in saying more(same) things again and him not go back and read those either. And that about the scummiest stance i have ever seen taken by anyone ever. I mean after all if hes is right, then hes cauhgt me and I am scum... but nope he doesnt want to.... yeah right. Look up the sky, is it a bird, is it a plane no its santa in leer jet. AKA in the aus vernacular. pull the other leg it plays jingle bells.-
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In post 5485, Flubbernugget wrote:Holy shit slandar is axel now
@mod you said this wasn't a bastard game
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In post 5485, Flubbernugget wrote:Holy shit slandar is axel now
@mod you said this wasn't a bastard game
So yeah I can hear how people who dont know what my scum game is like, now, know I am town.-
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What I said in full (go check...)
In post 5484, AxleGreaser wrote:In post 5482, Flubbernugget wrote:Are you sure axle is town
I am. Want to talk to me about it?
I am not liking talking to Nero, because
a) rest of town is active (AKA: either know who scum is or gave up caring.) (adding to the gak wont help with the caring)
b) if we get to a LYLO where town has chance of winning scum not knowing everything that everybody thinks makes setting up a patsy harder.
c) 5462 nero has no intention of actually playing the game and justifying his claims against what i actually said
In post 5440, Nero Cain wrote:I have no intention of going to look through your iso but I'm positive that you did say that.
he has no interest or desire to find out his "claimed" (I say fake) memory of what I said is wrong. There is no point in saying more(same) things again and him not go back and read those either. And that about the scummiest stance i have ever seen taken by anyone ever. I mean after all if hes is right, then hes cauhgt me and I am scum... but nope he doesnt want to.... yeah right. Look up the sky, is it a bird, is it a plane no its santa in leer jet. AKA in the aus vernacular. pull the other leg it plays jingle bells.
What Nero claims to have quoted. FFS.
In post 5488, Nero Cain wrote:In post 5484, AxleGreaser wrote:I am not liking talking to Nero, because I'm scum and I need allies to help win. If I start calling folks scum then I alienate potential allies. Why would I do that as scum?
He'd also be responsible for his reads and he doesn't want to be held responsible for anything.
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In post 5440, Nero Cain wrote:I have no intention of going to look through your iso but I'm positive that you did say that.
I suppose you are (or rather pretend you are not aware) that if you did read my filter then this question...
In post 5491, Nero Cain wrote:In post 5489, Nero Cain wrote:In post 5480, Nero Cain wrote:In post 5476, Nero Cain wrote:In post 5470, Nero Cain wrote:In post 5466, Nero Cain wrote:Who do you think are the other three scum and why, Axle?
has in effect already been answered...
I tunnelled TSO all fo D1. (I have said given the thread since, I cant see him getting lynched as for enough people to back flip their d1 one reads... at least some of them would look scummier to me.) (So while i still have had not much reason at all to chnage my mind I cant get him lynched.)
I started each day recently voting for the garmr/JoshB slot, with reasons.
As Beast didnt flip scum, then all the pre flip associative stuff I thought I was seeing was not there.
And so yeah the fourth read is little hard. Yet you claim (by lying that) I am ducking the issue.
Truth of the matter is you did this
Which very specifically are not your actual reads (anytime you want) as it is by vote count analysis alone.
So you have not stated you position.
You have studiously, avoided analysisng the actual thread,
as analysing your scum buddies ISO, and either soft defending him (but not too hard) or soft bussing him but not get him lynched is way harder than doing a superficial mechanistic
So yeah the person not engaging with the thread in meaningful way, for fear of associative tells is you.-
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In post 5495, Flubbernugget wrote:So axle you tell us you've stated your reads implicitly but then complain when we interperet your reads wrong?
pretty sure I complained about this as way to claim to be playing as town...
In post 5477, AxleGreaser wrote:In post 5476, Nero Cain wrote:In post 5470, Nero Cain wrote:In post 5466, Nero Cain wrote:Who do you think are the other three scum and why, Axle?
Err
In post 5440, Nero Cain wrote:I have no intention of going to look through your iso but I'm positive that you did say that.
Do you still have no intention of actually playing the game and backup your claims about the one read you are voting?
do you think that is in anyway a way that town plays?-
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In post 5495, Flubbernugget wrote:So axle you tell us you've stated your reads implicitly but then complain whenweinterperet your reads wrong?
also I cant remeber when iexactly did I complain that you had interpreted my reads wrong?
AKA what is this *we* batman.-
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In post 5505, Slandaar wrote:It could well be a multiball towntell for me
Uggh
Not anymore, after now... (see muffins law, from ealrier.)
Spoiler:
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In post 5516, Shiro wrote:I think there is a good chance that there is scum in my hood after all. GM made it quite apparent that she was pr there by saying how there is no way beast is flipping cop.
GM also sad that in the main thread.
As I recall it. GM was sure in the main thread that both claims were fake. So not only a power role but one that GM thought ruled out another investigative role.
In post 5516, Shiro wrote:If say she got a move from you at n2, it would be quite incriminating
and given the other stuff that leaked I would expect to be able to find signs in the thread that that happened. And not signs that GM had been outmaneuvered twice...
which will have been way clearer to scum if they had just RB'd GM and Thor had claimed to have done that N1...
So I don't think it was special information from your hood that got GM shot.
However MB probably means 3M+3WW with (2+2 still alive) 44% chance of scum in the people not you(4/9+1), more if you think you have good POE reads.-
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In post 5527, Flubbernugget wrote:The whole argument with Muffin was for you to not use wordplay as a case. That's a pretty good stance to argue. His flip confirms the motivation behind his stance.
Hi, Ok I think i now see what your point is, and i dont like it. I dont like it so much i want to explain to you and have you not like it. (Do note i may well be offering you a different point instead.)
Thor posted stuff indicating that Shiro was scummy, (it was something to do with how many times he mentioned/referenced made thoughts about who). it was BS. it was bad mafia.
Spoiler: why it was bad...
Spoiler: why it might not have been bad
Muffin ignored that it was BS and or playing bad and >>>bought into<<< debating Thor on semantics...
and frankly TBMK no one ever chose the actual 'best' metric which would have been to count sentences (thoughts) on the topic of each player... and (even thats bad as long run on sentences such as this one contain multiple thoughts that were all joined together with joining words. (so no counting actual thought is counting thoughts and the counting metrics are and were all crap.
So if you want argue Thors, push on Shiro was bad. Argue it in an alignment indicative way.
Are you arguing Thor was at that time:
actually driving to get Shiro mislynched?
distancing from Shiro with a shit wagon that would never fly?
Feeling around to find out which mislynch wouldn't get defended by some dumb towny? (found dave eventually?)
... some other scummy purpose.
Scum hunting by pushing low hanging fruit badly to see how the fruit and any vultures reacted? (Thats what I watched and looked for...)
@Thor. Feel free to instead argue that your push on Shiro and the reasons for it were actually goodandalignment indicative.-
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EBWOP Oh my cookie cutter sig is still current.
"Silly (cookie cutter) gambits: The crack cocaine of playing mafia."
"Silly (non cookie cutter) gambits: The designer drug of playing mafia." : Axle
I could add ... Bad metric's are Bad. but no silly gambits are a special kind of bad-
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@SHiro
In post 5530, Nero Cain wrote:I think the chances that scum waste three shots on a player are fairly slim.
given the alternative is shoot three guys each with a vote, or take the risk that when leaving boon alive until endgame and wondering if this will happen
In post 5405, Boonskiies wrote:We're getting to the point where I believe I'm going to actually start becoming a strong town player in this game.
In post 4330, Boonskiies wrote:I actually start to become a pretty strong town player mid-game.
so no I think, even if they had already wasted a shot n1,
unless they believed he was actually a 1 shot BP, who fake soft claimed PR to get shot then fake claimed 2 shot so as to not get shot... when he really should have at most claimed 1 shot BP, if he was still trying to draw nk's)
so yeah WIFOM is deep.
best idea is just play mafia and try to read the guys alignment the old fashioned way.-
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In post 5527, Flubbernugget wrote:The whole argument with Muffin was for you to not use wordplay as a case.
Muffin appears interested in exact words
In post 3254, Muffin wrote:Your exact words were "look how many thoughts were posted about Anen". I interpreted that as "number of mentions". Obviously you felt that that is the wrong interpretation. Fine.
here is muffin not objecting to Thor criteria or how carefully he chose the words, or tightly interpreted them
Spoiler: This is muffin buying into the idea that counting any of the things usggested was important at all
I dont see Muffin saying dont use word play as case. Thread is big: show me where you see it?-
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In post 5533, Thor665 wrote:Why would I want to do that?
reasons?
# Well you never lose arguments, you might want to find out what is like?
# Ego?
# ...
However, as I am currently in some effect batting away Flubber, it would seem silly. BUT as my post 5528 also listed ways that a mafia player could try to interpret your push on Shiro as scum motivated, you might want to tie your self to the anchor that counting gak was alignment indicative? bascially, I Got no idea, but then I got no idea why muffin got muffin mod killed, (up until that happened I thought it was all just beer and skittles,) so i have evidence there are lots things I dont know...
Besides I thought it would be polite to mention you as
In post 5514, Thor665 wrote:I feel like we're getting somewhere now.
I seem to be butting in, when you finally started getting somewhere..
(and i have poked things as I'd like them go somewhere just little different and see if thats useful)
Also just because I offered does not mean I think you should, it would be wise to as any alignment, or ...-
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I dont know if it was more clear in the hood and you cant quote that. What I noticed (and scum could have<>) was.hmmm that makes me think
In post 5540, Shiro wrote:As for what made me rethink I checked him out and realised he kind of stayed at the sidelines yesterday and althoughsome sayshe made it apparent here as well I only realised she is investigating PR in our hood and that made me think that our hood has scum. Between Boon and Iz I think it would be Iz.
yeah I didn't link where
4824 4839 both were strong statements that seemed too strong to be based on the same information I had. While even at that time I didnt like either claim GM's statements had a kind of certainty to it.
That would be explained by GM having an unstated CC, of investigative role (I thought cop, I didnt think of tracker). It would also explain GMs
In post 4824, goodmorning wrote:Thor lynch is definitely happening, though probably not today.
Which I took it to be when GM gets her guilty check/or GM flips.-
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In post 5543, Flubbernugget wrote:In post 5538, AxleGreaser wrote:@Flub
So flub, hopefully I wasn't wasting your time.
Please read 5528 and tell what that means for your current push on Thor.
@mod: VC is all kinds of wrong, up to and including majority size.
You are wasting my time because you seem to not understand the concept of a gunsmith.
Well it is true i have not played with one before and i just checked and yes the understanding of gunsmith i got when they were mentioned earlier was accurate.
So what exactly does gunsmith have to with, muffins 'case'. or my post.
We have two flipped investigative town power roles... are you suggesting there would be another one?
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I've been rereading the thread... (specifically my own ISO) found someone i want lynched the most
/Pinegarmr/Josh_b
VOTE: Pine
not sure why I stopped, i could probably work it out. (prefer not to as I think it involved Axle being pissy/whiny/frustrated)-
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In post 5559, Thor665 wrote:considering how eerily total silent the rest of the game went I suppose everyone else is as well.
considering that most of them are voting someone else that seems little odd, that they would wait for Pine before driving their own wagons
but it is what it is.
perhaps they are voting one person but in reality expecting someone else to get lynched.-
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In post 5561, Thor665 wrote:Is TSO even in this game?
If he is scum why should he even bother playing?
Thread gave him a Carte Blanche do nothing pass some time ago.-
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In post 5566, Nero Cain wrote:In post 5562, Thor665 wrote:Random observation - Iz and Script don't look like buddies to me.
Discuss.
You can't use that 'cause Axle isagainst VCA.
I mean how can you guys actually think Axle is not mafia after his rubbish of a "reason" for not wanting to lynch Ren?
(truck out the baseless junk)
Bullshit. Stop making stuff up. (well actually as I think you are scum go right ahead?)
I assume you are misrepresenting what i said here(in spoiler), as you never actually which post I said what you claim I said...
Spoiler: what I actually said
and yes I claim you doing VCA alone is bad.
I claim it gave you room to retract that and analyse more stuff and get different answers anytime you liked.
Also are you seriously claiming, you think I am on the same team as Ren? Even after the stuff shortly before and after 4636
there will be reason beast checked Ren, and it wouldn't surprise me if that was good part of it.
LOL.
@thread if you guys really cant come at lynching Pine/JoshB/GarmrI could put together the actual case against Nero.
BUT
you would have to get your act together and not wait until deadline forces your hand.-
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In post 5568, Nero Cain wrote:oh so we are back to the "I never said that unless you quote me" thing.
No we are at I have no idea what you are actually saying if you dont say it.
You claimed I was against VCA which I said was made up bullshit which is why i crossed it out.
I quoted something I did say. You still have not shown where I said i was against VCA.-
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In post 5568, Nero Cain wrote:Yeah this is totes junk bro.
Its totes not junk bro..
oooh logical impasse what now.
In post 5568, Nero Cain wrote:I was pushing on Scripten yet you still think I'm WW. Why the diffrence?
Would you like to point out where your push on scripten was such that it does not seem sensible as scum partners.
I juts went and looked and didnt find it.-
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In post 5574, Boonskiies wrote:If this wasn't multiball and Nero still had his vote on Iz there is no way I'd be voting Iz. I hate multiball.
VOTE: Iz
I've explained my reasoning toward Iz since the beginning of Day 2.
Hi, please check that i have the right reasoning, that i found near the start of D2.
In post 2563, Boonskiies wrote:Anenien was very prominent in our neighborhood last night, along with Iz. I claimed that I have a protective role in the thread, and also asked who people thought would be worth protecting.I did not claim any role, nor will I be doing so toDay. The way I said it made it seem like I had a limited use, which Iz pointed out in the thread also. I feel Iz thought he could get some town cred by not killing me after I claimed that I was a protective role, since he most likely thought I was just some noob not knowing what to do, and since he thought I slipped that I had a limited power role, he'd be fine not killing me. I expect there to be at least one scum in my neighborhood, since we are the biggest neighborhood, and Anen is now dead. Goodmorning, Shiro, and Iz have at least one scum there, and I'm banking on it being Iz.
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In post 5577, Nero Cain wrote:You mean other than the fact that he's blatantly trying to lynch one faction over the other? And his reason for doing so is quite silly.He's worried that Beast will be seen as town and not shot at night.
bullshit
read the thread.
that was not just the reason... (that was an explanation of why it was a plausible scum play)
hence it was involved, but not just the reason.
you seem to have left out, the primary reason, which was making sure the scum teams had high motivation to shoot at one another. (at 3:1 that would have been so)
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In post 5580, Nero Cain wrote:not that "lets lynch a werewolf so they have more motivation to shoot at mafia!" makes a ton of sense either...
Hmm we are playing mafia that you claim it doesn't make sense to you, woild be perhaps becuase you didn't read (or claim not to have/ or claim not understand)the explanation back then of why.
In post 5580, Nero Cain wrote:If I'm misrepping your reasoning for wanting to lynch the wolves why did you not take offense then?
Lets see whether or not you are misrepping what i said is fact determined by examining what i said and what you represented.
Whether or not i respond to any one particular misrep depends on a variety of things. (most of which are win con related, sometimes I just get pissed off<but its only a game so i try not too>.)
I am pretty sure that while many of your posts could have been responded to and rebutted, I dont hold them or your views in high enough regard to do so. Sorry?
Well I would be sorry except you set the standard for my required civility to you, with
In post 5440, Nero Cain wrote:I have no intention of going to look through your iso but I'm positive that you did say that.
which means that when you post yet more made up crap i can just assume you also still have not bothered going back through the thread and are relying on your demonstrated to be wrong memory of what happened.
I also can assume the thread and the rest of town will also notice that, as i pointed it out rather bit...
So either you are just making noise for effect, and will be ignored, or town deserves what it gets, if listen to your claims, knowing you claim not to have read thread, nor been willing to back up your previous false claims.
Demonstrating that over and over again is now for me just noise.
So I am concentrating on lynching a scum i believe i can get lynched.
At present I expect it is 2v2, so lynching any scum from any faction is fine with me.-
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In post 5580, Nero Cain wrote:Can you show me your post that talks about you wanting to kill Beast so the wolves have more motivation to shoot mafia?
I wish to point out, you are explicitly claiming to know the reasons I do things are bad/shit/whatever
<Nero: not that "lets lynch a werewolf so they have more motivation to shoot at mafia!" makes a ton of sense either...>
yet here you explicitly state you dont know where I did in fact explain that.
So you have in effect claimed you just made it up without even knowing what I actually said?
Spoiler: My previously stated reasoning fro why Lynchign a WW was betetr for town than lynching a mafia. yesterday
and nope while i can do that sort of thing, (and i just did)
given this
In post 5440, Nero Cain wrote:I have no intention of going to look through your iso but I'm positive that you did say that.
I have no desire nor reason to pander, to your wishes for me to shit up the thread by restating things not all that relevant anymore. If you want q
So you can make your baseless claims, and I will trash whichever of them I please.-
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that previous post was being edited near the end when it submitted.
Pretty sure i was trying to add
I have no desire nor reason to pander, to your wishes for me to shit up the thread by restating things not all that relevant anymore. If you want quotes you can go find them yourself.
So you can continue to make your baseless claims, and I will trash whichever of them I please, takes my fancy. (I am a bit in holiday mode, and my reasons are already in the thread...)-
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In post 5588, Flubbernugget wrote:The only reason the boons wagon died is because of his activity. Why did everyone lose interest?
I didn't have any as i didn't like the cases.
I am however currently asking a question, I want an answer to.
I believe boon is likely to remain a highish risk lynch and we _>really<_ want to lynch 1 scum today, at 2v1 scum have an game theoretic imperative too shoot at one another.
The one scum team can pretty much only win if he shoots both of the other team, or gets them lynched.
Also garmr wagon is terrible
Want to explain what bit you don't like about it?
preemptive guess. Even, If scummy people are voting it, they can be on the other team...
Indeed under number of scenarios (depending on how exposed or not a scum team thinks they are) driving to lynch the other team then shoot he last one tonight, may be a good MB play.-
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In post 5592, Flubbernugget wrote:Recent complete games show garmr as playing to his town meta here. Josh didn't get the opportunity to come up with some insane lynchworthy theory and he's too easy to scumpaint. Pine idk.
So which specific Garmnr games were you seeing.
And what about those games match what I saw here.
D1. Garmr, was "holy over sensitive soul" when a PBP list poster mentioned him in passing and criticised his points on boon but provided others.
FGarmr who was not seriously pushing boon at the time (go look how wishy washy he was...)
Later says that Anen was chainsawuing or later wking Boon. Neither make much sense nor look like what happened.
On a later day.
I was pushing him and he decides 85% I am scum and wants to 1v1 me. Then he gets better read and swaps onto them.. (woot Garmr has two reads >85%)
he then (IIRC) swaps onto Thor....
I call bullshit. he replaces out. (from memory perhaps the orders little screwed)
Exactly how does someone so sure they caught so many scum.. and not just making stuff up. Decide to replace out?
I tried min 1621 (real quickly), and it didnt to me look much like what i saw here.
I will have other stuff, I want to see meta substantiation of, but something would be start.-
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In post 5595, Thor665 wrote:In post 5594, AxleGreaser wrote:Exactly how does someone so sure they caught so many scum.. and not just making stuff up. Decide to replace out?
no idea what you are neutral about...
In post 3447, Garmr wrote:i'm town but I really don't want to play this game andI can't be bothered hunting.SO going to let you guys if you want to mislynch me or for me to replace out.
(Axle Bolded for Emph.)
Where is the bothered to scum hunt come into it,
he was "1v1" sure that I was scum, which he set at 85%, but it is still 1v1 sure. (even it was just boasting for his ego...)
In post 3429, AxleGreaser wrote:Thor is scummier than Boonskiies, who is scummier than me(Axle) who you already set at 85% likely to flip scum (AKA really 1v1 sure)
So why hunting?
he just caught 3 scum according to towny!him.
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In post 5598, Thor665 wrote:You find that to be a valid and fair tell?
I found his state of mind to be inconsistent with someone who claims to have just caught 3 scum.
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In post 5601, Nero Cain wrote:Me not agreeing with you and thinking that something is not town motivated=//=me knowing you said that. I didn't see that and/or forgot.
which is something, I your scum read said three times... and you didnt see or remeber any of them,
and yet claim to scum read my reasoning..
yeah right.
and while we are talking about you just not reading stuff....
and in truth what changed? (well we could always look at my posts that Nero conveniently forgets to do ... again...)
In post 5492, AxleGreaser wrote:As Beast didnt flip scum, then all the pre flip associative stuff I thought I was seeing was not there.
In post 5601, Nero Cain wrote:
He is still scumreading me (but as a wolf) and two lurksacks. And one of those two lurksacks were being voted by mafia so it makes me think TSO is less likely to be mafia. So to me it has an air of not mafia hunting.
So my scum reads, are the same scums reads i had before they ran away and started lurking. Gee whizz I wonder why that would be? and as those were the rads i had before I thought i had worked out beast was scum, which ones really ought stay.
So rather than just "saying to me" your play seems scummy, I say it is scummy.-
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In post 5608, Nero Cain wrote:but also saying "As Beast didnt flip scum, then all the pre flip associative stuff I thought I was seeing was not there." Is actually proving my point that nothing changed for you.
Err bullshit.
The stuff I was getting from thinking I had caught beast as WW was re evaluated.
I suggest you define what on earth nothing means for you as the above is explicitly stating what did change. and you define something the thing that changed as nothing. WTF.
You might just as logically claim it proves your point that I am a yeti.
In post 5604, Nero Cain wrote:Can you remind me why you unvoted Beast.
Why did you not vote Ren when you unvoted Beast?
Well I would just direct you the thread but you already both claimed and demonstrated you dont read it or claim not to remember it...
and in truth, even though it is right there where i unvoted him) you need to read little between the lines
In post 5316, AxleGreaser wrote: (2)and finally I really would prefer to lynch another WW over a maf today.
(1)however it is time
UNVOTE: Beast
Note I really might vote him again, (1)but I reckon I have as much good info as i can reasonably expect to get. Time to re-evaluate the day from scratch.
(1) yes shock horror on day when the claimed to be town cop had claimed really early for no particularly good reason, I had tried to milk the day for other associative tells and make an actual contested wagon out of it.
Thus worst case if iw as wrong and Beast was town, we at least had stuff happen. Second the only way to actually find out if Beast was town cop was to push him about it. Unfortunately I didn't get enough ring of truth to sway me. But fortunately enough other townies did.
(2) and look here is me consistently indicating a desire to lynch the short stacked faction yet again...
and so yes this "it is time" gave the green light to any towny standing around with the hands in their pockets giving me space to play, that the day could end the day.
and no while i did believe it quite likely both would flip scum, I did believe it better to flip the guy i believed was a WW rather than a mafia, for the reasons already now repeated many times in the thread.
Also please start explaining how any of this shit you want to discuss but never even bother looking in my filter for is alignment indicative at all?-
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In post 5611, Thor665 wrote:because I see no need to explain it beyond admission of the reality in front of you.
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In post 5610, Nero Cain wrote:So you started to doubt your scumread on Beast?
as that is not what the words say... not sure why you are claiming it is.-
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In post 5610, Nero Cain wrote:
Also please start explaining how any of this shit you want to discuss but never even bother looking in my filter for is alignment indicative at all?
I'm an eternal optimist. Like I really don't think you are town and I'm hoping that our arguments will help convince Thor and whomever else doubts you are scum that you are scum.
Ah
so while you are not actually arguing or stating that I am scum or the th9ings you mention are alignment indicative,
you are just eternally optimistic, that just the argument itself will help convince them.
AKA a hail mary?
If you have nothing else then that is playing the game i suppose.-
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In post 5611, Thor665 wrote:2. Why do I do anything? I will admit I've been selling Flubber quite a bit while voting Pine. Really that's up to you to interpret, because I see no need to explain it beyond admission of the reality in front of you.
Thors (first vote on the wagon.) case appears not to exist.
I have lots of stuff, (most or all of it relates to garmr a former holder of the slot.) 3274 -> 3229
larger version 3318
although it got some votes, not a lot people liked that at the time
In post 3841, Aegor wrote:Votecount 2.10
[5]Thor665:goodmorning, Izariael, reinoe, Flubbernugget, Garmr
[4]Garmr:Scripten, AxleGreaser, Slandaar, Shiro
[2]Flubbernugget:Nero Cain, The Fonz
[1]Boonskiies:T S O
[1]davesaz:TierShift
[1]goodmorning:Thor665
[1]reinoe:Boonskiies
[2]Not Voting:beastcharizard, davesaz
With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.
Day 2 deadline:(expired on 2014-11-19 18:27:52)
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An opinion from fresh eyes would not hurt.
If you are town don't be overly concerned about survival, my best guess is it is at (6T + 2 maf _+ 2 WW)
and if you run the scenarios in your head towns screwed unless the lynch scum every day and get lucky.
So as town simply not getting lynched is not enough.-
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In post 5617, Nero Cain wrote:I know that you are ESL but that's a question mark which means its a question. You can pay me later for the English lesson.
(2)But to be honest I DID take it as you maybe doubting your scumread on him 'cause I don't see why you'd unvote someone you clearly thought was scum.
So your suggest you give me an english lesson, when in fact my English comprehension was just fine and read that you were indeed claiming that while putting it as question?
And your ESL claim is bollocks (somewhere at least bit in jest: i have claimed I found out code(c++) was my native language even thought I learned English first.)
but your derision instead of scum hunting is noted.
Well that is because you falsely claim/believe I did not scum read Reinoe(was protecting him). I unvoted Beast so as to indicate to town, unequivocally, I was cool with a Reinoe lynch even though I preferred a Beast one.. for the reasons stated.
So it is real easy to unvote your scum read when the alternate wagon is also in your opinion highly likely to be on scum. The difference was i claimed lynching the probable WW was better plan than lynching the probable mafia. Other people did not buy that argument. I decided that if they had reasons for why not, it was perhaps best no to make them explain them to the scum teams, as the reasons would involve second guessing the scum nk strategies. i had been second guessing the scum nk strategies, but i had been careful what I said.
Again are you at any point going to explain how any of your question is alignment indicative... or are you just hoping we dont lynch Pine today?
What is your opinion on the Pine Lynch?
My previous cases on Pine?-
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In post 5648, DrippingGoofball wrote:You claimed 1-shot what?
Claims: (from memory)<some harpy will turn up if I misremember something>
He claimed one shot JK.
GM a flipped claimed tracker tunneled (with really thin reasoning) Thor like a trojan. (from D1) so kinda obviously Thor was the intended track?
But Thor claimed JK and claimed to have JK'd GM and claimed that before GM flipped tracker.
So N2 Gm would have tracked Thor...? (trackers kinda only get get guilties by tracking to a kill)
(and on D3 GM said Thor had outmaneuvered him twice)<Which i take to mean GM probably got RB'd again.>
Then GM got shot. So my best guess is all we have is GMs suspicion on Thor, which was well short on reasons.
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Boon:
Boon soft claimed real early in D1 when not under much pressure. <hmmm>
Claimed hisrole(playing the way he was) would be major point of discussion D2.
<stuff happened in hood I never saw. bleh yuk +1>
On D2, Boon faffed around (read it yourself as I have question for boon pending...)
Then Boon claimed 2 shot BP who had been trying to draw an nk by hinting being a power role of various types.
One weird thing for me was garmr claiming boon was worried he would be shot again. As scum who shot boon were the only people who would know boon had been shot. Reads like a scum claim to me, but it garnered garmr almost no thread attention... weird.
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Beast replaced in, said he'd be awesome the next day.
faffed around trying lamely to get reinoe lynched, with fluff.
Then claimed cop, (appeared not to know what his own role did... Thought he was a faction cop, who got guilty not guilty) but he was a full cop.
I suspect GM thought the claim was bogus due to balance(GM tracker), the BS nature of it, and whatever ....
anyway in the end Reinoe got lynched and Best shot.
beast was a prime night cop... (so the game now has form for LOl roles, if one turns up later)
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@Boon
In post 5576, AxleGreaser wrote:In post 5574, Boonskiies wrote:If this wasn't multiball and Nero still had his vote on Iz there is no way I'd be voting Iz. I hate multiball.
VOTE: Iz
I've explained my reasoning toward Iz since the beginning of Day 2.
Hi, please check that i have the right reasoning, that i found near the start of D2.
In post 2563, Boonskiies wrote:Anenien was very prominent in our neighborhood last night, along with Iz. I claimed that I have a protective role in the thread, and also asked who people thought would be worth protecting.I did not claim any role, nor will I be doing so toDay. The way I said it made it seem like I had a limited use, which Iz pointed out in the thread also. I feel Iz thought he could get sometown credby not killing me after I claimed that I was a protective role, since he most likely thought I was just some noob not knowing what to do, and since he thought I slipped that I had a limited power role, he'd be fine not killing me. I expect there to be at least one scum in my neighborhood, since we are the biggest neighborhood, and Anen is now dead. Goodmorning, Shiro, and Iz have at least one scum there, and I'm banking on it being Iz.
Is that correct?
So you are voting, Iz because he didnt kill you.. and he didnt do that fortown cred-
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In post 5660, DrippingGoofball wrote:So wait, there are two neighborhoods?
nope there were 3
a 3 man hood of PereV Thor and Egg existed. Now its just Thor talking to himself.
I might think its IIOA too(or a playstyle difference), but I am waiting to see.
for instance I put the P value of
In post 5662, DrippingGoofball wrote:If the neighborhoods have symmetry to them
at ??
So I am not sure whether that would move shiro up or down in my view.
Also not sure if that theory would mean that if I think Shiro and Boon are town should that mean I start believing DGF is scum.
@DGB
So just how likely is (If the neighborhoods have symmetry to them) in your view?-
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In post 5669, Nero Cain wrote:Axle, do you want to go first or do you want me to go first in tomorrows massclaim?
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In post 5671, Nero Cain wrote:yes 'cause if scum shoot me then any town worth their grain in salt will sheep me. And if I don't die then I'll lead this town to victory.
Now stop avoiding my question.
Its a bullshit question nothing to avoid.
I have not thought about mass claims tomorrow.
but even though you are a significant scum read that would not be the only criteria for choosing who went first.
I dont expect i would be asked by many people to go first. Well you and whose army...
So no I have no intention of talking about fictitious mass claim, until it happens.-
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In post 5674, Nero Cain wrote:Its not a bullshit question 'cause a massclaim tomorrow makes sense
andifthats true thentomorrowit will be a question, and today it is role fishing bullshit scummy question.-
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In post 5676, Nero Cain wrote:Asking you your stance on massclaim is rolefishing?
no my stance is [*you*] in this situation are currently role fishing.
and no I have no intention of discussing it or why.-
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In post 5674, Nero Cain wrote:I mean we could do it today butI thought it was a better ideato not give scum the rest of the setup today
This is itself role fishing.
But it also contains the basis of the argument that you should believe it to be role fishing.
You state it is better possibly a better idea not to do it today. (there is reason in your head for why that is today)
Fishing around for thinks, its bad idea today, will get you role fishing information on who is still a PR. Stop it.
or die by lynch today-
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In post 5689, DrippingGoofball wrote:In post 5676, Nero Cain wrote:Asking you your stance on massclaim is rolefishing?
Greaser is town leave him alone.
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