NY 179: Cute and Fluffy Mafia (Town Win)

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VOTE: Nero cain
Lurking is suspicious.

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Even tho it took him 2 guesses?

I thought it was a typo.

Typos are used by scum as excuses for flips.
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VOTE: abr

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VOTE: DGB
Doesn't feel like DGB town.
Big post over the weekend whwn I can use a laptop.

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I have literally norhing to comment on what is going on there is prob scum in the hood that isnt dex.

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Soooo, any thoughrs on a lynch?

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Why are you so lynch happy?

Game doesnt seem to be going anywhere

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I'm sensing this lynch isn't going down
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VOTE: firebound
Bc wagon

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@d3x why?

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Please can we lynch alternate account?

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VOTE: killapenwin
L-2

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Are we basically just stalling a lynch?

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VOTE: dgb

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Eeps prodge will post content

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@ika: Do you have the history with DGB that she describes?

@DGB: I've been playing awhile, so as long as ika can confirm you 2 have history, then it's something I can buy. I know ALL about history on this site (coughAAcough)

@NJ: So here's the thing. In order to answer that question, we'd have to delve into what it is that scum play like which I've found is pretty different for everyone when it comes to their opinions. Let's just say, in MY point of view, I search for players who get on mis-lynches for no, vague, or regurgitated reasoning.

As for you, well, I'm not understanding your logic for being on the wagon yesterday when your number 1 scumspect was freaking leading it. You threw some percentages at me but in order for us to go "yeah, let's lynch d3x", you're telling us that there is no way that both d3x and killa are town. Unless there is some other way you can know this, you simply just don't know this. If you're scum, you'd know the opposite is true and I don't think you'd be pushing for the 'either or' thing this hard this early. The only other option is you bussing your d3x-partner as you're both scum. I don't think the latter is possible since d3x's town meta is exactly how he's playing now. When I have more time, I'll pull some up (or if d3x wants to be a dear and provide his own meta...).

Let's just say, his meta isn't that he mislynches town D1, it's that he finds something scummy from someone and tunnels the shit out of it till the person is dead. He simply isn't this aggressive as scum and seeing as I replaced into this game, he has/had very little reason to try and switch his meta just for me.

Anyway, I'm trying to figure out if you're just playing "VI"-like (as d3x says) or if you're scum. I don't like your 'there's 100% chance that one of d3x/killa is scum', but I'm not sure that it makes YOU scum.

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VOTE: randommidget

I still don't like those on DGB's wagon and ^this shit needs some pressure and has some spainin to do.
Can I get a nice 1/2 or 3/4 wagon on this player please? I'm not saying we rush lynch him, I'm just saying we lynch him right away.

So I'm scummy for prodging when I was about to post and for voting dgb?

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I am scumreading DGB because they were spewing out reads without showing any scumreading and scumreading like a third of the player list.

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Alternate account is also probably scum.

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Alternate account is just pinging me.
I would consider ika a compromise lynch if we can't decide.
People are voting me without posting reasons

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So... you'd consider ika a compromise Lynch to AA?

No, I want to lynch dgb

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D3x

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I feel like this is a trick question. I'll take the money.

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So... you'd consider ika a compromise Lynch to AA?

No, I want to lynch dgb

Alternate account is just pinging me.
I would consider ika a compromise lynch if we can't decide.
People are voting me without posting reasons

@RM: Okay, confirm if I've got his right. You want to lynch DGB because

I am scumreading DGB because they were spewing out reads without showing any scumreading and scumreading like a third of the player list.

You think Alternate Account is scum because

Alternate account is just pinging me.

And you'd be okay with an ika lynch for compromise if you can't get DGB or Alternate Account lynched?

Do you get it now or do you not want to get it?

There were no downsides. If pen would've flipped scum.. fucking great, whether d3x was bussing or I was wrong about him all along. It's a win.
But pen flipped town and everyone who is still townreading d3x needs to get his head examined. Veteran players don't usually deathtunnel townies, especially claimed PR ones, unless they suck balls at this game, in which case they're a menace even as town. That's the fucking elephant in the room right now.

@NJ: I get it what you're saying. I even explained it as much. You think, 100% (70+30) that one of d3x or killa was/is scum both yesterday and today. What I was trying to get through to you is there is no way for you to know that. Pardon me if I don't take your word for it that d3x must be scum and I instead take my loooooooong history with him into account to get a read on him. I'm telling you now that there is very VERY little chance that d3x is scum. I've already explained why, now go back and read it.

@DGB: If RM flips scum, you're off the hook.

Ika is 100% town if RM flips scum. If RM is scum and was buddies with ika, he'd know that Alternate Account was replaced BY ika. As it stands, he's just trying to lynch people with larger wagons (DGB) or others with votes/wagons (ika). Scum don't often fully read games (I know I don't) and all they care about is lynching not scum. This is what I see RM doing. Wagon up bitches.

By the by, if you wanna see what a scum answer to a town question looks like, it looks like this:

I feel like this is a trick question. I'll take the money.

Do you really think I would be this scummy as scum? I would be a lot more focused.

Nero, Kthx, Dragon, know what's funny, you don't even look at why SC or I am voting PeaceBringer.

Do you know he has 4 votes D1, 3 of which are for the two dead townies?

He defended Nero by attacking me for asking for general reads on all the players. Most likely protecting a scummate, and the scum in the Neighborhood.

Then he posts today, ONE POST AFTER GETTING A VOTE, and doesn't vote himself. Lurking, and still hasn't voted (aka taking stances).

But you three come after me because I'm posting FROM WORK (look at the time and where I live), ON MY CELL, WHICH I HATE DOING, a correction to the mod and getting my vote out there (yeah, I update my vote analysis on my work computer since I have excel on that).

So go screw yourselves.

95% likelihood of at least one scum in {Nero, Peacebringer}

The fact that the majority of the players continuing ignoring/defending these players makes me only feel better about these 2 scumreads I have.

I think you are onto something here, especially qith nero's defence since.
Nero is joining my scumreads and pssibly peacebringer.

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I'm losing interest in this game

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Prodge will pst later

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I still think dgb is scum

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@everyone:

Why RM is scum.

-RM was on the pen wagon yesterday with no reason what-so-ever. His vote comes just 10 post after he comments that AA (now ika) should be the lynch for D1. RM flipping scum clears ika for this alone.

-RM complains about game going nowhere yet does absolutely nothing to further it along (unless you count being scum and lurking moving it along)

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Big post over the weekend whwn I can use a laptop.

This never happened.

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Eeps prodge will post content

and here's the "content"

So I'm scummy for prodging when I was about to post and for voting dgb?

also, what happened to the AA (ika) scum read?

Alternate account is also probably scum.

Alternate account is just pinging me.
I would consider ika a compromise lynch if we can't decide.
People are voting me without posting reasons

Oh, there it is...

So... you'd consider ika a compromise Lynch to AA?

No, I want to lynch dgb

Oh, nvm....

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I feel like this is a trick question. I'll take the money.

Like I said before, this is a scum answer to a question they don't want to or don't know how to answer without revealing their true colors and getting caught. Like it was said after this post, the truth shouldn't be hard for town to answer with...

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Do you really think I would be this scummy as scum? I would be a lot more focused.

^here you have the 'ol "I'm too scummy to be scum" argument which is scum-RM trying to get out of jail free. He's either implying that he's playing super scummy as town on purpose or trying to use something I've seen town use to get their scum reads lynched over someone else's.

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Prodge will pst later

2 days later....

I still think dgb is scum

Final thoughts: There is absolutely nothing that says RM is town and posting from a town mindset and everything that says RM is scum and avoiding posting to hope the heat dies off.

Either vote RM or explain why all the above isn't obv scum and how it can be seen as town.[/quote]
I joinwd killapewnin's wagon becauae he was going to be lynched.
Also plenty ofnother people are lurking, so why am I the one you are tunneling?

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Scum on my wagon are pribably in NJ/dragonspawn/dgb.
If I get lynched please look at Nero, AA and dgb.
Iai, peacebringer, telltale, Ika and d3x are fairly confident town.
There is definitely scum pushing either mine or dgbs wagon. Whichever of us gets lynched examine the wagon tomorrow.

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Ok, dgb is looking more town. Their feustration looks fenuine.

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That isn't a slip. I was saying that if DGB was lynched, scum would be pushing his wagon. Dgb is a strong town read now. Kthxbye either has messed up and thinks he has a guilty on me, is scum or cannot concieve that I could do anything townie. Plz lynch lurkers look at the ones on my wagon there is scum there. I am a humble vanilla townie.

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Why were you assuming her as a Town flip before you started TownReading her?

Ever heard of bussing? My point was that scum are going to be psuhing the wagon.

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VOTE: ika

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Well this has taken an interesting turn.
@d3x what was the question I missed?
If you have any questions for me please post them amd I will answer them before deadline.

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VOTE: nero
Why didnt you vig me?

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I didn't read the thread before that post. I thought no one was nk'ed and the post above was the day open post.

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VOTE: nero
Why didnt you vig me?

Why didn't you NK him?

He said he would vig me.

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VOTE: abr

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VOTE: nero
Sorry abr. Whether or not Nero is scum he is fucking ip this game and needs to go.

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I miscounted and the lack of warning meant I thought it was L-2. I was expecting someone to post warning.

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WHAT ABOUT RM YOU FUCKS?! How could town hammer like that?

I do it all the time

I can confirm this. I remember in our first game together one player did this twice then was NK'ed by scum.
Do you really think I would continue to play in a way that is gettong me scumread if I was scum? The main reason I'm being scumread is for my playstyle.
Ironically someone recently said that I had one of the best playstyle on mafiascum.

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VOTE: naked jogger
100% gut, I am having a hard time trying to put a csse togrther but I think they are scum.

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Sry thought I posted more recently. D3x is quite clearly SC's buddy. Hw knows if he votes Nero he will look terrible so he votes the already declared compromise lynch, whilst leaving himself open to a bus if the SC wagon happens.
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VOTE: strangercoug
I think d3x is scummier, but this will be an easier lynch.

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You need to say a bit more than this is scummy, kthx. That's just lazy.

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VOTE: d3x
D3x scum SC prob scum

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Nero, we can lynch SC when d3x flips scum. D3x wagon will be easier.

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Nero, you say you want us to believe you are town. Easiest way is for d3x to flip scum.

And if he doesn't? We'll be in the same spot we are in today. Like SC, Flubber and kthx are all scum and that already makes 4. A 5th IS possible but possible is the keyword for me. I'm going to feel pretty bad if he flips scum, I mean I'd lynch him over 100% town me but I mean....I just really want a dead SC and that'll happen regardless of dx's flip.

SC isnt happening today Nero.

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Jesus christ
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VOTE: stranger coug

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Kthx, there were 5 players on Nero. Now there are two. Multiple people have changed reads on him. Kthx d3x and SC scum.

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VOTE: d3x
I swear we agreed he was SC's buddy.

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Actually Flubber has a history of randomly leaving games for a bit. Him doing it isn't necessarily scum.

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These cases are compelling. Inwill switch to Flubber if d3x isn't Lynched.

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Prodge.

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@ mod what would a masons flip say?

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Nm I thought peace and garmr were masons.

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Contrary to kthx's beliefs I'm not stupid. If I was scum I would've PM'ed the mod.

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VOTE: d3x

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Eeps. How was I driving off scum lynches? I was pushing the ika lynch and wanted to get SC lynched, and have been pushing d3x today/yesterday.

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I never thoight kthx was conftown. I think he is probably town due to the amount of content he is generating. Interesting how he votes me immediately after the masons do. Also neither ds or garmr provided reasoning.

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I never thoight kthx was conftown. I think he is probably town due to the amount of content he is generating. Interesting how he votes me immediately after the masons do. Also neither ds or garmr provided reasoning.

I think it's interesting that you can post almost immediately after getting votes on you but have to be prodded to post without voted on you. I also find it interesting that its happened more than once this game.

No, I got prodded then peoplr startedd voting me.

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Or we lynch d3x. Just throwing that out there.

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VOTE: d3x

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I just wsnt to sau that if kthx is scum then there are probably 5 scum. So there is no point llynching him until we find another scum. I'll switch to NJ to avoid an NL

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GG guys. Wp to scum especially kthx.
Sorry for not cotributing as much, it's my first large and early on I found ot hard to engage with that many players. Nero and tda carried town hard in the lategame, but several otherb players like TTH played well.
Thank for modding dreamweaver
Kthx I don't particularly want to play with you either.

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Tbh garmr I was just frustrated at the lack of NK analysis. Kthx was the only person who killing me made sense for apart from dgb and once dgb was dead you shouldve known it was kthx. I was being a bit of a dick and i apologize.
So is dream weaver brian's alt?