New York 181 -- Game Over

[elusive]

/confirm

[elusive]

also i will divine if elusive is town or not very early on starting with this:

elusive are you scum?

I'm town, yay.


However, this leads me into RVS Questions for Town (Scum Plz Do Not Answer So We Know Who U R)
1. Which do you like being more? Town or scum?
2. What is your second favoritest color?
3. Are you scum?
4. What is your spirit animal?
5. What are your favorite scum hunting strategies and how do they work?

Oh and bonus question for like the Truly Amazing:

Who is the most dangerous player (for either alignment) in this game's player list and why?

[elusive]

Is it possible that I've caught two scum already who didn't answer the questions? Should I wait a bit for them to answer or should I turn on the "SpongeBob Levels of Insanity" right now? Hmm...I guess I'll wait... for now.

[elusive]

Wake, I'm sorry you're not feeling well. Can you answer my questions, please?

[elusive]

also i will divine if elusive is town or not very early on starting with this:

elusive are you scum?

I'm town, yay.


However, this leads me into RVS Questions for Town (Scum Plz Do Not Answer So We Know Who U R)
1. Which do you like being more? Town or scum?
2. What is your second favoritest color?
3. Are you scum?
4. What is your spirit animal?
5. What are your favorite scum hunting strategies and how do they work?

Oh and bonus question for like the Truly Amazing:

Who is the most dangerous player (for either alignment) in this game's player list and why?

1. I'm scum at heart.
2) Silver
3) Why are you even asking this if you are also asking scum not to answer these questions? If you are expecting scum to answer them anyway, why do you think they would disregard your request to not answer the questions yet be honest about the one that would get them lynched? This isn't random, this is just fucking stupid.
4) Irrelevant to my alignment.
5) I do what I do. I watch what people do.

As far as most dangerous player, I'd have to say T S O because he'll do town in regardless of alignment.

Re: 3) Well some scum will answer the question and some will avoid it but they way they answer can be interesting. Plus, once they flip then I can put that in my head (the kind who answer blatantly false and the kind who avoid answering) so its useful for future games too. And my general view of the player in general as a human. :O

[elusive]

Actually, House I thought texcat's comment was bad but I was waiting for her to answer my questions.

Also, @mod, may I switch to play in this game with my alt? I already slipped into it elsewhere and it would be simpler if I just had one account to rule them with.

[elusive]

It's not alignment indicative at all?

There's no flavor in this game?

Who is his and who are you even referring to?

[elusive]

Plus quizzes are so fun, link the quiz?

[elusive]

Plus quizzes are so fun, link the quiz?

http://www.spiritanimal.info/spirit-animal-quiz/

The first google answer xD

Hmm..I got butterfly which meh. I'd say hummingbird or something kitty katty.

Texcat, hmm? What now?

[elusive]

However, this leads me into RVS Questions for Town (Scum Plz Do Not Answer So We Know Who U R)
1. Which do you like being more? Town or scum?

Town but I'm getting more comfortable with scum the more I play it.

2. What is your second favoritest color?

Purple

3. Are you scum?

Nope, I'm town this game.

4. What is your spirit animal?

Wolf obviously

5. What are your favorite scum hunting strategies and how do they work?

pressure voting, questioning, analyzing voting patterns and pushes, looking at the motivation behind behavior

Oh and bonus question for like the Truly Amazing:

Who is the most dangerous player (for either alignment) in this game's player list and why?

I don't know everyone playing so I can't say. TSO and ABR worry me because I have trouble reading ABR and TSO has a reputation of being extremely good as scum.

My answers are in bold and I have a question for you. What do you hope to learn with this line of questioning?

SW, whether it's meant to be or not.

Or, here is a breakdown of the questions and their purposes:
1. I like to know the true soul of a player.
2. Sometimes I like to know a little bit of something about people I'm playing with, it helps with the intuition\psychic vibes.
3. Already answered this re: House
4. I love this kind of question and quizzes and stuff. See 2.
5. To learn more better.

Bonus: Who people think is dangerous helps me to know who to trust\mistrust etc. {Stuffs}

Everyone who took the quiz so far has passed, yay.

[elusive]

It's obvious to me, I think I'm who (whom?) it was meant for.

[elusive]

{Snip}
I understand your purposes (apart from asking about the

second

favourite colour instead of the first one), but I don't get the conclusion. For me, the answers seemed to have been very different. Why do you think that everyone has passed?

Aneninen,

Do you have a nickname?

Oh and taking the quiz is passing it and not taking it is failing. Isn't life lovely sometimes

Taken the Quiz (*In Order of Appearance)

ika
Wake88
dragonspawn
House
Shiro
Aneninen
TSO
Texcat
Garmr
SilverWolf
Egg
Mikazuki <3 pink
Klingoncelt
davesaz

Not Taken the Quiz

(This is where the scum is bc they obviously were too scared too take the quiz)
Albert B. Rampage
DeltaWave
artistincompre (and you have such an interesting name too, its too bad you rolled scum)
Nikanor

P.S. Don't you sometimes switch your first and second favorite color and not be sure which is the BFF of colors and which is the 2nd BFF?

[elusive]

Nikanor, my response to dragon was in part because it knows my gender from elsewhere so it seemed like it was being facetious or perhaps talking to someone else.

Texcat is funny, I liked her joke. I'm not sure how she could ascertain that the question referring to "Who is the most dangerous player in this game regardless of alignment?" as being for the purpose of determining a scum NK. That seemed like a stretch and based on her former games she isn't a newbie. Not sure what her alignment is, but I will keep an eye out for that.

Also, Nikanor - so that is a scum claim? Yes or no? Only scums don't answer questions and elicit information.

[elusive]

Oh, klingoncelt are you into Harry Potter and HP fan fiction and specifically HPMOR? Your response about the spirit animal is what made me think of this line of questioning.

[elusive]

{Snip}
I'd never switch my first and my second color.

It must be nice to be so decisive!

Texcat, I answer them as I make them but for the public eye:

1. Which do you like being more? Town or scum?
Town, I've only rolled scum once and the guilt was horrible.
2. What is your second favoritest color?
Pink
3. Are you scum?
I'm never scum.
4. What is your spirit animal?
A hummingbird
5. What are your favorite scum hunting strategies and how do they work?
questioning and pressuring, reaction testing, tunneling

Bonus: Who is the most dangerous player (for either alignment) in this game's player list and why? To be determined more but so far Wake, I think because he sort of can inspire sheeping but then he doesn't really accept it.

[elusive]

Nikanor, you haven't even seen my serious posts yet. They involve all caps usually. However, so you are soft claiming scum. Okie dokie.

VOTE: Nikanor

[elusive]

OH I forgot that Flubbernugget also didn't take the quiz. Nikanor, how do you feel about him? {That avatar is so creepy tho, I wish I could ignore just certain peoples avatars}

[elusive]

Wake,

You're so awesome ( I mean I think I would take Turquoise as fav color and then Magenta as second fav or vice versa) but yeah that was epic. Colors names are so legit cool.

Nikanor, do you have any thoughts on Flubbernugget as a player and not your potential love interest?

[elusive]

Mikazuki, it depends on how well you know the player and the trajectory of their meta.

A few people can change their meta easily but most seem to have certain habits\defaults. Like having played with ika a bunch, there are certain things I know to look for. There was a game where I rolled scum (before someone broke the game and it had to be rerolled which was a relief) and I tried to "fluff post as usual" but most of the players who knew me were like "something is wrong, it feels forced." So even trying to play to your town meta is not going to be the same as being town. I don't know most people here so meta isn't useful except for what others says about it or not.

[elusive]

I'm not sure why people are heavily focused on Aneninen's limit of his posts? He said he will mutli post if needed? So instead of asking him about his post length, ask him for reads or content and see how he does before talking about the style?

[elusive]

Wake, I think Nikanor is a good vote for now. She refused to answer the quiz and also she wants to be tunneled, I think. Also how do you peruse the thread, do you read each post or skim or glance?

Aneninen, what are your thoughts on Wake, Silverwolf, and TSO?

[elusive]

Egg, what reads have I provided? None seriously yet. However, how do you feel about the other players in this game (notably listed in Aneninen's post right before yours) regarding their scum hunting and reads?

Yes, I do like my little quiz. People who don't answer it are on my list to tunnel because their reason to refuse to answer simple questions is what? Some of those questions (like the bonus) also builds some sort of interactions\who knows who and what they say about them.

TSO, philosophizing on a Sunday?

[elusive]

Hi Flubbernugget (and Others),

In you case you may have missed it:

{Snip}

However, this leads me into RVS Questions for Town (Scum Plz Do Not Answer So We Know Who U R)
1. Which do you like being more? Town or scum?
2. What is your second favoritest color?
3. Are you scum?
4. What is your spirit animal?
5. What are your favorite scum hunting strategies and how do they work?

Oh and bonus question for like the Truly Amazing:

Who is the most dangerous player (for either alignment) in this game's player list and why?

[elusive]

How do you know they're town? Are you into defusing pressure? I'm sorry am I being unproductive according to your standards? Oh no, whatever shall I do?

Edit, above to Egg

Flubber,why would you assume that at all? I would be wary of expectations like that.

[elusive]

I don't know anything for sure at this point, there isn't enough to go by.

[elusive]

Flubber, why the overreaction? You quoted my post and asked why I don't have a vote on you? Why would you expect me to vote you? I'm still in conversation with Nikanor and waiting for them to respond.

Egg, I'm not sure what your concern is. I am applying light pressure at this point.

[elusive]

Flubber you and Egg are so literal minded and silly. Of course I couldn't be naive enough to assume that people not answering the quiz are ergo scum automatically but the fact that they don't makes me wonder why and want to pressure them. Pressure nicely first and then get tunnnely if nice doesn't work. Didn't you see me ask Wake nicely? Now, I've also asked Nikanor nicely and am waiting for her or him to respond.

Yes, I do enjoy fluff and psychic vibes, that plus some hyperactice tunnels is what most of my game is at this point. I'm sure I'll learn some new tricks at this forum.

[elusive]

hmmm?

[elusive]

You shouldn't trust it as face value, that's a good sign. However, to be fair to ika I have a very recognizable meta from another site and my scum game is so terrible that you can tell a mile away.

Egg, it created content - some of related directly to the game. Different people play different ways. Why are you so critical of that and not asking me more important questions?

[elusive]

DW, do you mind answering the RVS questions?

[elusive]

Egg, the puzzle isn't complete yet.

[elusive]

Okies, thanks for playing. Do you know any of the other players in this game? Who is the biggest threat after yourself?

[elusive]

Nope, thats not what I said. Although, thats a good way to put it, I do find people who don't answer to be defensive and in need of prodding. Although the last question does give me info to compare to other games where I've asked similar questions and how honest people are or how answers compare. I have played mafia before but I've been very terrible at it but am hoping to improve.

Edits and phone posting so the above is for Mizakumi.

[elusive]

Pressure nicely first and then get tunnnely if nice doesn't work.

Unless I'm thinking of the wrong thing, yes that is exactly what you said? That you are prepared to tunnel based on the results of the quiz?

Sorry for the name mishap Mikazuki, I'm phone posting and went off memory I'll be careful as that irks me. I meant not the results of the quiz - not taking the quiz at all is pressure or tunnel worthy although on day one I usually try the nice way first. Is that clearer?

I like working off meta and behaviors as thats helped me in the past.

[elusive]

~ Snip ~.

"Strategy" is a very heavy word for "fun\silly, meant to garner discussion RVS quiz." In fact, my actual concern about all the quiz discussions is how fixated certain people (Egg, Texcat, Mika, Shiro and now Garmr) are getting over it instead of asking more critical questions such as:
1. What are your reads so far or thoughts on {players}?
2. Other such SRS BZNS questions

Aww, SilverWolf I will win over your stern ways. What's life without being silly here and there?

However, to be fair to ika I have a very recognizable meta from another site and my scum game is so terrible that you can tell a mile away.

You're over there too? Were you in the Mexican Standoff game there? ( )

Nope. On the other hand I do know ika beyond sites so that may be partially his defensiveness kicking in.

Ika,

Spoiler:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo4cmTaEDIk

Since when have you known me not to be able to handle a little pressure? I've been in two Titus tunnels, I've yet to see anyone top that

~Snip~

Oh snap you just changed your reason for voting me from the previous post, is that scummy? People keep asking about it and I like responding to questions. Bad logic is bad though.

I am going to say that looking at your ISO, you're not a newbie and you seem to be pretty pushy in your other games here so why are you being a little passive aggressive here?

Also, it's easy as others said to tunnel on fluff or a fluffy poster which is why I find you and Egg a bit troublesome, seeing as how you particularly, haven't done anything else. See "safe target" mentioned by House. Although, I'm not a safe target because I never shut up. Surprise!

Nikanor, can I just know where you get the rainbow text from. It's very important.

T S O, go ahead and question\pressure\tunnel me.

Holy damn, Egg you're still on the quiz. Hmm...your reputation seems to be better than that. Get to it. Also DeltaWave did not call me "retarded," he referred to RVS questions as "retarded" which is a poor choice of words but entirely different and he answered them anyway so he secretly loves them.

Flubber's reaction to me asking him why he expected a vote on him was over done and that pings me weirdly.

Just to clarify, Garmr:

I see the case for elusive but I don't feel like she is to scummy for it personally more of a null. I would like to see her thoughts on peoples posts other than the quiz which she is starting to do but hasn't seemed to let go of that yet.

The first part of this boggles me. You see the case (which means you agree with who? Egg? Mika? Pikachu?) yet you personally decided that even though you see the case you think its a null tell? Then "I would like to see her thoughts on peoples posts other than the quiz" is good which is what I was thinking would be the natural response. But then "hasn't seemed to let go of that yet," usually unless they are asinine I answer all questions that come my way as only scum needs to be difficult.

Ok, I think I caught them all but if I missed your particular stuffs let me know.

[elusive]

Ika,

Spoiler:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo4cmTaEDIk

Since when have you known me not to be able to handle a little pressure? I've been in two Titus tunnels, I've yet to see anyone top that

I was in a Titus tunnel off site once and here in a game once. I was town both times. She thought I was scum. I sympathize.

SilverWolf, I am blocking some of the trauma now but it was hundreds of back and forth posts (long ones too). And the first time we were both town. The second time though she was scum and I was town and I turned off my instincts and she totally owned that game. Titus is the best and also most frustrating mafia player I know. I could go on and on about her, lol.

Flubber, are you speaking of a particular occurrence in the thread or being passive aggressive or castles in the sky? Be direct, it doesn't cost extra.

[elusive]

I'll be here in media res later tonight, ask away questions or whatever.

[elusive]

I have no meta on this site quite yet, so instead of trying to meta me perhaps try to work with mindsets. What scum mindset do you see in particular posts or what scum behaviors do you see? Build a case out of what's there rather then ephemeral.

[elusive]

So, I'm rereading the game and am up to about post #260 (pg. 11) which is less than half of the game. I'll get to the rest tomorrow.

Main Questions So Far:
1. Wake why the two quick successive votes in RVS this game and in contrast to your other games? Do you have a recent, completed town game where you vote so quickly. Would you agree with Garmr that you usually wait until 40+ posts in to vote? Would you state that RL is the reason for you change in style (as you sort of mentioned). If so then I think it's a non-issue but I'd like clarification.
2. Flubbernugget you seem to passively comment on the Garmr\Nikanor back and forth. Where do you stand on it currently and why?
3. Garmr according to Shiro you were caught as scum but chose to replace out rather then face justice?
4. Egg what is your read of davesaz and why? Aeninen?
5. Egg, about page 11 is where you first start questioning me about the quiz and then lo and behold like 14+ pages later you are still on the same old same old. Seriously? Explicate.
6. Texcat, come let's play darling. What are your reads right now?

My notes are in spoiler, some random or to be thought about later.

Spoiler:

~ Nikanor votes Garmr for voting Wake. House, Mika, Artistincompre, jump in to defend Garmr\attack Nikanor for voting Garmr. Alignments?
~ Egg votes Wake and states that Wake's change in style did in a game correlate to alignment, however he questions House and SilverWolf for their vote on Wake.
~ Slight townread on Aeninen for his reasoning to find dragon suspicious
~ Slight townread on davesaz for post #115 - 116
~ Most Dangerous (Anen -> ABR, TSO -> ns(mod? so a safe or facetious answer, Garmr ->ika for wildcardness, SilverWolf ->TSO, ABR, klingoncelt ->no answer, why(knows several players well enough)?, dave ->no answer, why (has played with half of playerlist)?, ),
~ Anen, SilverWolf get town points. Garmr, idk. Rest is a bit murkier.)
~ House states that stupid isn't scummy, manipulative is as reasons to read texcat as town and dragon as scum. However, some contradiction there in application.
~ Texcat's site meta shows aggressive and more direct playstyle, why is it being terse\off topic\jokey\passive aggressive in this game?
~ Garmr mentions a game where Wake caused drama (link?) and reiterates his strong scum read on Wake.
~ Nikanor states he skimmed thread but provides reads (House, Texcat town | Wake, elusive, dragon scummy) but then qualifies that due to skim reads are bad.
~ Texcat soft defends Nikanor and mentions to Garmr its RVS vote on it (why?)
~ Shiro does not approve of people not reading Wake's post (aka Nikanor)
~ Flubber FOS's House
~ Professor Wake's Guide to Being a Good Mafia Player

ika

Spoiler:

The song is part of the house music genre. It's one of my "moody" songs of which you know I have many. What kind of musical mood are you looking for?

This site is a little less social\fluff\silly banter inclined here but they'll adjust to me or lynch me for it, which either way I'm good. Still figuring out the boundaries and such.

Is what Wake said in post#515, a common tactic for scum (if it is manipulation and not honest feelings) on this site? If it were that Wake were scum and that post was in part scum motivated, wow that's seriously like Major Leagues of psychological warfareness. Don't you feel guilt? Or if you are on the receiving end, don't you kind of feel like being friends with that person would make you wonder about them?

oh hi freeko, welcome to the game. What are your thoughts on the gamestate overall? If you already did it just link as I'm rereading and kind of behind all the newest stuff.

[elusive]

Its like someone did some research and found out what led me to going nuclear in the first place. Flubber since you seem to have trouble identifying who you're speaking to - who are you referring to in #694 if it isn't yourself?

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Wake88

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Spoiler:

Is worried that because he isn't being addressed\challenged he will be NKed. Is this the case? He has several votes or attention now? Defends Deltawave as misplay which I agree with (and offers him some sort of apprenticeship\training, why him?: P). Wake states that he would buddy SW and play the emotional games but he isn't doing it right now. A fan fiction emerges with Wake, House and SilverWolf and its very angtsy because SW likes to be good but Wake and House like to be bad.

Aneninen

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Spoiler:

Have you played with Dragon before? Many people here defend dragon's playstyle which I find odd and in need of attention to be his town. Although no one has hard defended him in this game. What do you think is the purpose or mindset to Deltawave acting a bit bratty in thread or drawing that kind of antagonistic attention? What is your thoughts on Garmr Vs. Nikanor? It seems like you think Nikanor is suspicious in those two, why?

ika

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Spoiler:

do you know my role?

texcat

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Spoiler:

What are your current reads? Who are the three scummiest players in thread and why? Who are you townreading and why? You haven't answered my questions and I suggest you do so in your next post.

House

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Spoiler:

Did you purposefully push SW to the point of emotional reaction to figure her out? What do you think about her role reveal (for example I think revealing as VT is bad to do because you let scum narrow down the PRs). Where do you stand on Klingon's assertions that SW fakes emotional reactions which SW refutes? If I were hyper paranoid I might think that the entire situation was staged to make it seem like you aren't all on the same team.

Klingoncel

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Spoiler:

Your voice in this game is more terse but I don't like your interactions with SW as she is my highest townread. What evidence do you have for your rather sharp allegations? Does SW getting upset at having votes on her mean that she is scum or is there evidence of this in her scum games that you can link to? In general, do you think scum are the only ones who would get upset at being voted?

SilverWolf

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Spoiler:

I'm sorry about RL stuff being tough. *Hugs* You are my highest town read although I'm sad about the emotional reaction. Do you think House and\or Klingon did it on purpose to get you to claim? What is the reasoning for either of them to push you so?

Albert B. Rampage

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Spoiler:

Why is he being so cautious and close mouthed?

dragonspawn

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Spoiler:

In my notes I can find barely anything about you which is bad. Why are you lurkering? What are your top 3 scum reads and why? Who are you townreading? Choose one of the other lurkers and question them.

T S O

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Spoiler:

I thought you might be providing some meta commentary on the oblivion of existence but you retreated into your fox hole. Why has Egg not focused on your for being unproductive?

Flubbernugget

- Y

Spoiler:

ou indirectly commented on Nikanor Vs. Garmr but haven't taken a clear stand on either (and Nikanor responded to your post assuming it was him you thought was scummy for the line by line responses). Is this the case?

Egg

- I mentioned directly or indirectly or the crux of your posts #269, #278, #284, #288, #292, #295, #, #300, #303, #315,#395, #397, #423, #536, #544, #550, #575, #618. Many of these post are to me or about me.

Your read of me is based on you believing that
1) In my few posts I only focus on my RVS quiz and
2) That I have no productive content otherwise.

Based on the latter, why are you giving other such players free reign and not also questioning them and instead being on my tail for so long?

Other players who seem to post but not have any strong anything: texcat (11 posts total), ABR, Deltawave, Mika (now Drixx), TSO, Shiro, Nikanor and Flubber?

Do you feel that being vote parked on me but not trying to really convince anyone to vote me or join you is beneficial? Do you plan on doing anything else?

Shiro

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Spoiler:

Your gifs stand out to me more then anything else you've really stated on reads. You want people reading the game which is good but I don't get a strong sense of your thoughts. You sort of questioned House for pointing to some "lurksacks" but not others, do you follow up on that?

DeltaWave

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Spoiler:

Why attract attention to yourself and be antagonistic? I feel like you're lean town because town can be brazen. Why do you vote Wake and what are your thoughts on other people?

Mikazuki (now Drexx)

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Spoiler:

It's a lot to catch up on, what are your fresh eyes perspective on the game state?

freeko -

However, anti-town is not the same as scum. In fact, let me breakdown my thinking about this.
Town can be anti-town by playing badly or stupidly or extra scummily
Scum, by its nature, is anti-town so it can be anti-scum but calling it anti-town is redundant
SK is its own category, I’ve never played with an SK although my thoughts are that SK could help town by killing scum? So it depends on the SK and how they play?

Nikanor

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Spoiler:

Who is the most dangerous player in the game, and why? What do you think of Garmr honing on you for so long? What do you think of Flubber passive aggresively following along or wanting others to explain the interaction between you and Garmr?

Also, I'm not abusing the rainbow text generator but thanks for telling me. Also the sad thing about not answering the quiz is we can never ever ever be friends. It's too late now.

davesaz

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Spoiler:

You've been quiet recently. You have played with about half the player list you stated, what are your thoughts on how the people you do know are playing?

Garmr

Spoiler:

Well, I have to say your focus on Nikanor throws me off. Can it be town vs. town or ? I don't get it. Yes, this site meta is different. I tend to bend the rules that can be bended in regards to strictness, I mean its a game so if its not fun and feels like homework then its been murdered. You've played a lot with Titus which is cool. She is capable of Great and Also Evil Things but still her awesomness is awesome. I'm more in favor of the unique to the by the numbers types anyway.

VOTE:

[elusive]

Egg, what is the difference to you between scum and anti-town?

Do you think voting ABR will lead him to actually talking?

[elusive]

VOTE: Texcat[/b]

Respond to my questions. Also, the soft defenses of you make me wonder about scumness.

Yeah, Egg's just sliding off my wagon and not pushing to convince people (since I'm not a townread that means you should be looking more carefully at my reads). Then moving onto ABR but not thinking it will change his behavior is bad. What do you think is the point of voting someone? It seems like you're more interested to be seen voting or bsing then actually making real cases or doing anything. If I were suspicious of me, I would go through my reads\questions rainbow post and question the fuck out of me but you seem to be coasting along nicely away.

[elusive]

Fuck tags. VOTE: Texcat

[elusive]

Nik, please cats are the only animals I can abide in close proximity without allergies nearly killing me but I still don't care.

[elusive]

Usually the way I sense a town from scum is follow through or actions vs. words. Your ISO shows an excessive focus on one player to the exclusion of much else but now you've dropped it and moved to another player (one who most likely won't garner a lot of response) and again aren't really trying to convince people or care. The passivity of it is what strikes me. Engage with someone that leads to actual conversation or back and forth and perhaps it will seem like you're actually trying to move the game forward rather then posturing.

[elusive]

Are you looking at the same ISO I am? You don't think I've discussed or interaction with Silver, House, Wake, Nik, Gamr, Anen, dave, TSO, or Delta for example?

I think our issues with each other are playstyle difference. I tend to be a pretty reactive player with an occasional proactive post here or there. I'm active (at least in spurts) and I make my opinions known, but when I post I'm either responding to people or discussing an issue that's come up since my last post. It's how I play and half of this playerlist can vouch for that. I think it's obvious why I'm voting ABR and I think it was obvious why I was voting you. I don't know what more you expect. I make my case. I lay my vote. If people want to discuss it, that's cool.

Speaking of which, talk to me about ABR. Your last post feels like a soft defense of him, but your reads list describes him as quiet and cautious. I originally took that as somewhere between a null and scum read? Is this not accurate?

Wow, so what is your case on ABR? It's not ABR specifically that pings me off and I wouldn't soft defend him in any case since he hasn't done anything I perceive as town.

However, you lay a vote and then what? It seems like ABR voted Wake and you also have Wake on your suspicious list (who also conveniently has a VLA thing) so then what? What about ABR causes you to vote him? Who's opinion do you want on your reasons? What do you want to ask him?

Where is the follow up?

Anen, there is something called the Garcia rule where you don't answer questions directed at another player. If I'm trying to get a read\reaction from someone and someone else defuses it, I will be annoyed.

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Don't trust an elf.

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Anen, there is something called the Garcia rule where you don't answer questions directed at another player. If I'm trying to get a read\reaction from someone and someone else defuses it, I will be annoyed.

omg have my babies.

Titus taught me it so forward your request?

TSO, it can be cathartic and distracting.

Anen, what good is a fairy who cannot fly?

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Lol, actually I think Deltawave is at a better place than you.

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^

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Drixx, I liked your post and reasoning. TY for questions thingy (I was the one to ask for fresh perspective.) ABR is right though. klingoncelt seems to have a thing for speaking without thinking which makes her look scummier than she is + some girl trouble there is what I see. Then there's dragonspawn who {redacted} but people vouch that this is not his scum play.

People I'd be fine seeing lynched today:
Texcat - who's response to my questions were less then acceptable. Is that the best you can do?
Flubber - overreactions and being esoteric or unclear without purpose
Shiro - "My gifs are distacting you from realizing how little I've been saying"
freeko - Not sure on this one but didn't like that post out of the gate. Needs pressure.
Egg - "I'm like a like reactive like player like srsly"

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Hats.

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Drixx, spoilered since its off topic

Spoiler:

Yes, I have read BWP. I've read a lot of HP fan fic so have to go look at the description and then skim a bit to remember. I've only read HPMOR up to about chapter 80 and then paused because the waiting for a chapter strains me so once there's like 30 new ones or so I'll get back into it. Usually I like AU's, time travel, and some crack. What about you? Are you on ff.net?

OMG its a penguin. No it's DeltaWave. What do you think of TexCat? What do you think of yourself? What do you think of being grilled and made into a penguin sandwich? What does penguin taste like? Is it more like chicken\duck or tuna? The answers to these questions are vitally important to the sanctity of the universe so plz respond.

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Freeko,

I have no clue what Rampage is although his defense of klingoncelt\dragonspawn gave him +1 townie points. He's being (trying?) to be inscrutable and its not quite my cup of tea. The less a person says, the harder to find them in a lie. Would wagoning help loosen him up? I don't know, maybe it should be tried. Go forth and tunnel.

I'd like to see your reads on the rest of the player list, though.

As for the defensive thingy, while no one can 100% defend someone people do for meta or knowing each other reasons. So you could expect a little. You came into the game slightly defensive about your meta and not knowing any players.

Drixx, there are some strict rules about out of game communications on this site and you'd have to PM the Mod first for permission or so I have been informed by another Mod for a different game.

DeltaWave, okies. What are your suggestions on how to lynch scum? Also, what do you think about how in the majority of games town is lynched day one? Why and what to do about it? (anyone can answer the latter question)

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Shiro, I use GIFs a lot actually although I'm trying to cut down but usually still with content. You can do both.

SW said she is not replacing from what I understand, she is on VLA. I'm going to say a huge FU to policy lynching. {FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF}

Also let's not just blame Klingon for that interaction, House was in there too. Next, while I can be sympathetic to people having emotional reactions at the end of the day if you are too sensitive to people pressuring you then this isn't ballet where we tiptoe around each other. It's mafia where lying, manipulation are scum tactics and pressuring into oblivion and getting reactions aka manipulation are town tactics. So yeah.

Maybe klingoncelt tomorrow, but not today. There are better people to go after.

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Also klingoncelt, give your thoughts\reads on all the players so far please. Leave SW out of it.

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This site has too many rules about ongoing games but people can do research and figure it out. Klingon not the lynch for today. If people could not use policy lynch as a term, a game I've finished recently offsite had too much policy lynching by scum getting rid of town and I'm sick of that term being abused. Have a problem with a player, PM the mod and don't be a whiny squirrel.

VOTE: FreekoVOTE:

Your thoughts on all players in the game so far, and scumspects other than ABR. Also, bandwagons are a tricky thing and super scummy.

If.you and Egg etc want ABR lynched, make it happen.

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ika, what is the policy lynch for? For what specific post and line? So far what I see between klingoncelt and SW is female drama. Nothing more, nothing less.

This issue is bothering me to the degree that I want to illustrate what a policy lynch on a players actions should be based off of.

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Ika, never mind I'm reading past page 31 now and I see what happened. klingoncelt, do you understand what you did to SW? First, there's a rule between people that you don't break trust especially of personal information. It's like the only fucking rule too.

SilverWolf, I apologize I had only read up to page 31 and thought the conversation revolved around the original stuff rather then the breach of trust.

Wake, right now I'm preventing myself from showing SilverWolf how to take a basic b* down.

If klingoncelt had just said, "SW is an expletive expletive expletive:" I would be okay with it but you don't bring personal stuff into the game.


Rereading past page 36 now to see what else is up.

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Shut the hell up.

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Her age mention was low handed and speaks to severe self-esteem issues.

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On your part, not hers of course. I wonder how you would feel to be on the receiving end?

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Klingoncelt should back away from the thread for a bit for that to happen.

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Deja vu. I just hate defending people for reasons and then finding out they actually did murder the cat. Eh bad taste.

ika, I will.

I'm rereading now.


Nikanor,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cIK6Kyn3NM

That game happened to me, lol.

I was a Seer in a game and chose the right person to check but was NKed because the scum figured me out because I didn't talk enough.

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Oh eff, Garmr that was meant to you rather then Nikanor (I was reading your case on her and wrote her instead). It's a bit of silly.

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Thoughts as I reread are that I agree with Shiro about House setting SW off and Klingoncelt following up. I do not see how the klingoncelt slot would benefit from all this attention on it and the liability of being lynched for taking a highly unlikable action. Unless of course Drixx #965 was applicable and kc faux engineered it to cover up her slip. Seems unlikely with the Occam's Razor factor. She couldn't have predicted that she wouldn't be lynched for it.

As for policy lynch, ika, I believe that SilverWolf should tell the Mod since the personal information breach is related to her and ask for a Force Replace if she really thinks its warranted (as in site rule was broken). Mostly though I am not sure on the slot's alignment and don't want to waste a possibly town slot to basic level.

Wake's not loyal to friendship and higher values. Is he scum and who is his co-scum?
Drixx, where do you know ika from?

ikababy lyrim is a ghost. The breakup was permanent and "I'll never look back, never give up and if it gets rough..." {https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIjVpRAXK18}

ABR had that bad post.

Egg, no you are being passive. I make cases based on behavior. Passive is scum, not moving the game forward or detracting is scum, playing poorly because of noobishness has a different taste to it then playing poorly because of being scum. Also, there are some obvious things that if stated defuse their power and you should know better according to your fellow players.

Also as town I always call out lurkers. You can't appraise what you can't see or engage with and you can't tell interactions with ghosts. So calling lurkers out as Drixx does feels more townside. Again I adjust my thoughts as more information comes in but you're cases are bad and that's what's off about you.

Egg and Shiro, have you played with each other before? Link?

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The only worrying them to me is when several people agree with some or all of my scums list. Hyper paranoia?

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ika, I feel like being mean towards someone. House is one of the possibilities. Think I can break him?

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I doubt it.

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LOL, Deltawave I've liked you since you entered this game.

I'm actually planning, once I've established myself more, to start a discussion of that rule. How it came about, why and what sense it makes and degrees.

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@Mod,

my definition of "mean" was poke and pressure and perhaps tunnel. I'm sure ika understood that since he knows me. And also being stalkery and silly. I rarely find the need to engage in verbal abuse. I've been in Titus tunnels and never needed to resort to crazy. On the other hand, people who start something with me using unconducive language will find out that after a few warnings I go nuclear. But that won't happen here, right because its pleasantville?


Just to clarify your posting that in response to my post rather then some of the other posts in the game is kind of ? confusion inducing.

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Hi House What are your reads on the game? I know you least and second favorite color, what is the first?

Should we lynch Nikanor today? Why or why not?

Is ABR always so horribly manipulative?

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I don't need to take to PM. I'm pretty sure that considering what's allowed, I'm not in any danger zones. Nor do I plan to be.

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ika, no worries I'm a good little hummingbird. Almost always.

House, the Mod deals with stuff like that. I do not care for policy lynches on potentially town slots. If SW asks for a force replace that's up to her. The drama is over. Move on forward, marching something.

Deltawave, ika is not a typical player that has a boring playstyle. He's kind of a wildcard as I think Garmr said.

Nikanor, aww, however if you are NKed night one which seems unlikely Garmr would be lynched next day. Pinkie promise?

ika, Nikanor is possibly a female. It's the cat avatar that makes me think it although I could very well be wrong.

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House,

SO you are saying that you aren't confident in the Mod making the right decision and have to make players do it even if its anti-town? And not only that you will approve of scummy players doing it?

Unless this is a scum catching trap?

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House, I'm thinking mean thoughts towards you.

Nikanor, no you have to die for him to die. It's more poetic that way.

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REvised: *House, I'm thinking PG13 mean thoughts towards you"

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House, the Greek Gods are so played out. I prefer something more unknown and ancient. Sumerian? Babylonian? Phoenician? Mayan? Aztecian?

ika, an Avril Lavigne song of course

Egg, what about "Did your ancestors do slavery?"

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No, that's a horror. My ancestors were warriors and poets and sometimes slightly mad but not slavers. What about you?

I think I like Babylonian the most because the Tower of Babel which is a force into itself.

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I don't know, I haven't known many hipsters unless Zooey Deschanel counts. I like her lots so thank you

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ika, because people are way 2 serious and some of them don't have funny or fun bones

Anen likes pigeons for some reason even though they are scary and moreso evil.

I'll be back Saturdayish.

Drixx, hope everything turns out to be good.

House, totally not. Who is that freak?

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So it was ABR who actually put personal info on SW (although KC did too in a passive aggressive way) out and then Mod redacted it? I'm not sure why people were railing just against KC and not getting rid of ABR for that alone? SW should be told what the original post contained, by her friends, and then be recommended to have higher authorities deal with it. House and ika, why not mad at ABR?

Never share personal info with potentially crazy people on the internet. At least wait to meet in a very public place and even then treat them like a potential serial killer. Doesn't people learn these things in school or on TV?

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The person who instigated a murder is charged with Accomplice or something like that. The Murderer is charged with Murder.

I don't know what redacted held but if it seriously held a value then that is much worse. KC is not off the hook because it tried to use "backhandedness" to do the same thing but ABR actually crossing the line 100% is actually more so bad.

For example, you share you RL picture with someone and then you have an online fight with them and they say "House shouldn't even be talking, do you know that he's not 6feets but much less then that?" And then another person comes and states, "Yeah he's 5'6" The first is bad and the second is murder because they weren't involved in the actual emotional drama of it as a primary person.

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Well God forbid I have to ever need a lawyer and most people don't. So you are saying ABR is depraved-indifference or second degree murder?

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House,

Did he put a real age or did he make some sort of joke? I'm assuming because of redacted that he put a real number. From my understanding of SW it was the sharing of personal info that really got her to leave the game, before that she was only saying VLA.

Garmr, I will leave a game where I think the people suck so it's important to me to know many things like which player to avoid playing or knowing because they suckage.

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House,

I guess I think both committed egregious breaches but you're only calling out KC rather then ABR, did he have permission from SW to do so? I doubt it concerning her reactions and what's worst making insinuations or making the actual concrete thing?

That is what I meant by female drama in that its about making insinuations or being backhanded so that its harder to pin someone down for being cruel or whatever. Whereas its more masculine to just be direct and all offensive with cursing and stuff like that.

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ABR, ok to the clarification.

House, to be honest I'm thinking that SW and KC could make up if they have been knowing each other for a while and stuff and like cry it all out which is why I'm hesitant to say stuff like that.

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Yes, sorry to focus on this but I was following on my phone and missed some of the nuances and now just got a chance to reread properly and carefully and wanted to make sure I understood why ika was so upset (and house too I guess) since that is not typical ika.

Anyway, going to focus on the game now and all the posts by anen\dave\garmr\etc.

I'm not sure why there's a wagon on garmr for? Also flubber's move to it, ouch. Flubber what are your actual thoughts on Garmr beyond you moving to it to change the game state?

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freeko, you need to rethink that last part. While I also think that posting a fake number is bad instead of something funny like "Her real age is Mafia Princess" or something silly like that that would alleviate tension rather then ramp it up, you seem to be misreading something. Take your time and go slow since I end up in odd situations when reading to quickly.

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I agree about the klingoncelt wagon being pointless.

VOTE: davesaz

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We need a new page.



Everyone post a gif, quick.

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OMG, how many more are needed for it to be a new page?

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OMG DeltaWave, hi!

What are your top three scummy people?

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With the resistance to the wagoning of that slot it may be that it is mafia over sk, however since it is being replaced attention needs to shift. Once the slot has been replaced then interrogate to your hearts content. Right now, move off of it.

I'm going to repeat, if they aren't hear no use lynching ghosts. Move on, there are scum in plural to catch.

Aneninen, what are your reads beyond that slot? Everyone who is waffling about that slot, what are your reads outside of it.

Questions and put a vote on an active player.

VOTE: Aneninen

What is your top scum read in the active player pool?

Thank you.

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Thanks, Aneninen.

I voted davesaz because I think he needs pressure and also to get people talking about other things but that didn't quite work.

If ABR is scum then KC probably is scum, that flip would tell us a lot.

Does Dragonspawn even have a V\LA or has it just been AWOL?

Texcat pinged me because of the difference in style from his or her previous games on here to this one.

Shiro is being pleasant and that always makes me think scum or {}.

The role of a VT is to interrogate and aggravate as much as possible so that the scum are pissed enough to take you out rather then a PR. VTs who don't play that way are wasting the freedom that not having an ability gives them in that they can purely scumhunt without fear.

Garmr Vs. Nikanor is an interesting 1 vs. 1. Has Nikanor burned you before as scum, Garmr? Or why so focused on it?

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(it actually means null)

Shiro, it means "I don't know it could be this or could be that but I don't want to speculate as of now" so yes null.

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Did anyone else notice TexCat put a vote on me because I haven't responded to his or her question from this morning? After being gone for days and barely posting when you were here that seems a bit extreme and hypocritical.
LOL. Awww...that's called a NOU.

I actually understand Anen's point and having seen town do that am fine with it. I also agree with Deltawave on post #1460

Freeko, what happened to your avatar?

Do you think House is scummy or ?

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Meta read isn't the only reason I find your active lurking odd. You have had two suspects in this game (other then the slot that will be replaced), me and ika yet your arguments about why have been either debunked by others or weren't strong in the first place.

Also mudslinging on a player who bar one post has contributed nothing to the game and voted me twice for putting pressure on it, is not mudslinging at all but it in fact trying to garner your alingment which is suspect because of your play. Take a look at your ISO and tell me what you see.

As for meta reads on you, you aren't a newbie so acting like one doesn't make sense. Especially since Egg and I went through a conversation about all the points you made.

Here let me break it down for you,

She hasn't responded to my post 1409 from this morning about her saying that I'm playing differently than normal. I suspect that she has no clue how I normally play and this was just mud slinging. But I await her response.
She asked all of the RVS questions. Did we ever learn what reads/info Elusive gleaned from that, or was it just to make her appear to be scum hunting? And I didn't like her last question or how the reasons for her asking it kept morphing.

You basically state that you voted me for not responding to your post this morning.

You are definitely not reading the thread. Not reading = scummy as fuck.

All of your questions in the latter part of that were answered and you would know, if you were reading but you aren't. Why?

You popped in here to show you're active but your posts and the mindset behind them is not conducive to town actually trying to solve the game. It is a player who wants to appear to be doing things, who has not actually read the thread or even ISOed the player they are voting to see the responses to their questions. I mean at the very least you could ISO me and Egg and follow that entire interaction.

So Texcat, how would you describe your meta?

I would describe it as "not a newbie, able to be precise about points" from what I've gleaned and I see you trying to act like a newbie and being highly imprecise in not even following the thread or what your scum reads have contributed. Town reads evolve and change based on what they see and they adjust to new reads. Scum reads don't. Yours have not.

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Yes I clicked on your name and then went through several of your posts.

You haven't read the game or responded to my points. You are an active lurker, in this thread I call you out for it. (Hint: There's a search button and also an ISO button you can use to do actual work\research).

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Egg, except that I have explained already that I have looked at Texcat's games. That is the lovely thing about research, all you have to do is click on a player's name and see how they post elsewhere and elsewhen.

There is a dissonance that is clear to me. I'm not even voting Texcat and waiting for it to actually show whether or not its town and it is not doing the things that I know it is capable of doing due to its own posts on this site.

Do you agree or disagree that if Texcat has ISOed me she would have found the answers to her questions which you yourself had asked (and actually went beyond)?

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As it stands I think you and Texcat are the only people who are super suspicious of me and I already went through yours. However, similarly to Texcat I can be researched. Therefore, are you bringing up something new based on my last posts or ?

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ika, I did one a while back wo rainbows. I might do another but need to reread since avoiding and not much has changed due to the shenanigans.

Saint, which saint are you? Their usually so tragic.

Also, avatars make it easier to identify you during the police lineup.

Wake, I agree. I put a vote their for Other Reasons.

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Texcat,

I call myself and many people It depending on mood. Sometimes It is playful. Sometimes It is annoyed.

You aren't playing this game, your reads are stagnant and stalled where they were opening day.

In your scum game you recently completed you put more effort then you are here. Do you want me to quote it for you?

Your doing nothing inspiring confidence in your alignment. I still amn't voting you because I'd like to see you do more.

LOL, so point out the lies specifically and LOL the gifs were an attempt to move past the drama in thread which you obviously have also missed in your lack of giving two fucks about actually keeping up.

House, you know the origin site and how it went from a place of freedom to a place where people were banned for not using proper punctuation and grammar and also another person was banned because they were too nice and sweet. Then I went nuclear because that's how I roll.

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Texcat, where are the lies? Quote posts exactly.

Yes, you put more effort in giving reads and analysis in your scum game then you did here.

Ika, perhaps. It needs to stop being useless.

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I agree that quantity is not a town-tell, but I think Wake has clarified with:

and in general I do Townread people more when they provide a lot of thought, logic, and sources.

And I agree.

You know this is all I'm really asking you to do, darling?

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Dramonic, your avatar is adorkable (at first I thought you were a Draco\Hermione fan but then I looked it up). This game had a tonal shift at some point and even I feel weird about it.

Anen, I already stated why I'm voting you which was to garner discussions and move away from other things.

Wake seems to be having RL issues which are to be unquestioned and hopefully get better but I also agree with Garmr about replace. Also Garmr feels town so Nikanor I disagree with you.

Texcat is not reading the game or "embodying town" as she stated in her own words so I'm not sure what to do with that. Shiro is on VLA and was cherry posting anyway.

I hate killing one of the active people in a game like this.


Slot wise Royal Saint came in with pre-townie points and Royal is keeping it up, let's see about Dramonic who replaced a dramonic player.

So willing to vote today: Lurkers, maybe just to get rid of dead weight.

OH and pisskop, he's changed his avatar like 2x since the last few couple of days? Makes ISO a bit weird dude.

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Oh and Egg just has this vibe that I don't like. How to explain?

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"Unequal distribution of something" is where I would start.

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This is a really good thing to know though,

"Discussions about Activity
Players may discuss activity in other games in a general sense, including counting how many games a player is alive in. However, this may not mention ANYTHING of substance."

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I agree that quantity is not a town-tell, but I think Wake has clarified with:

and in general I do Townread people more when they provide a lot of thought, logic, and sources.

And I agree.

This is what "embodying town" refers to. You said it, you are not embodying it to any degree.

I want this dead or I'm going to death tunnel it for not proving any of its points.

Prove it or die.

Yelling, "lies" "lies" "lies" while having the same stagnant reads from your day one, a handful of pages in posts is pathetic, and extremely scummy. Town's reads evolve as the thread progresses. You haven't even pointed out where in my ISO you see anything particular.

I want this dead if this is how it continues to play.

Oh and your associate tells with Wake disturb me.



If you had done as I've been prodding for some time (provide logical reads, sources, and a lot of thought) I would have moved on. Unfortunately, your gaining rather then losing points by this vitrol.

LOL, I'm going to enjoy this.

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*gaining points towards
- Lazy Scum
- Incompetent Town

Pick one Texcat.

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The only point I will give to you Texcat is that I agree that Deltawave is lean town to a far degree.

House, I'm not sure. He and freeko have something going on and I'm trying to figure out if House is orchestrating some of it.

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It's like every game there is at least 1 and so far they've been scum. In this game its either Egg or Texcat.

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Wow, I'm still alive in this game? It's like centuries have passed and the castle is covered in brambles and thorn.

Those two slots are bringing some past life into the game.

Texcat oh so you went back and read my posts. Do you want me to be nice to you, kitty? Should I ask a second set of RQS questions for all the new people who replaced in?

Wake, didn't you say pleasant you was more likely scum you?

VOTE: Flubbernugget

There's a wagon I could get on and ride into the sunset.

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VOTE: Flubbernugget

There's a wagon I could get on and ride into the sunset.

If PL's weren't frowned upon, I'd be up for stringing him up every game based on his avatar alone.

But it is, so I'll assume you have some other reason.

Care to share?

Sure, House:
1. Had an overreaction at least two times in thread
2. Makes really reasonable sounding points at times but not enough of them
3. His wagon confirms some things towards TSO\SW\davesaz slots
4. He used "tumblrwhore" as if it were a negative thing when he wishes

Mostly he should talk more. Voting people does wonders for there talking abilities

Oh, P.S. I hate policy lynches.

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Stop trying to rile Wake.

D1 & D2 tends to be a snooze fest, but cultivating dissension and chaos isn't productive.

Chaos and dissent are such pretty words tho.

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Not bitter, it just didn't feel like a challenge. I was disappointed.

I actually will say I don't know what's going on with ika. He may just be bored. His reaction to the drama was confusing.

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1) Okay.
2) Okay.
3) What would his lynch infer towards TWO/SW/davesaz?
4) How is this germane to the topic?

3) Thoughts about who to lynch or not lynch next maybe, that part of the plan is {}. Those are people he voted or had some strong thoughts towards (Garmr and Nikanor as well with him seeming to want to wagon Nikanor at some point)
4) I would hope it wasn't germane, I'm a germaphobe. Throw hand sanitzer at it and run away.

EBWOP - My

FoS

at ABR just slimmed down to a

Fingernail of Suspicion

. For a bit there you were really pinging my scumdar and confusing me. I'm glad to see a productive impulse that makes sense.

Don't be fooled.

1.) Can you link to them? Flubber doesn't stick in my memory, but we're almost 1700 posts in, so that's not necessarily indicative of him at all.
2.) There are a lot of people who aren't really doing anything. Why do you prefer to push Flubber over people who are flaunting a prod dodge no content play style? If low activity is your problem, Flubb strikes me as

far

from the worst offender.
3.) What would you learn about TSO / SW / Davesaz if he were to flip town? What about scum? (I'm interested in your thinking/theorycrafting here. I am still a n00b on site, so this is more for my learning than anything else).
4.) Was that in reference to that one slot who has posted a few gifs and almost nothing else? Shiiro or something?

If you want people to talk more, why are you going after someone who's actually posting fairly frequently compared to the least active several? (Again, curious why you picked someone who is average activity instead of lurking).

1) His ISO is a breeze though to go through but posts #280, #285, #694
2) Who are your category 4 scum people? I already mentioned Texcat, Shiro, and the replaces I've reset the clock on
3) See response to House above
4) See response to House above

On this site, it seems once you get a few votes on people they suddenly appear out of the woodwork. However, sometimes I vote people not because I think they are scummy because I want to see who jumps on like a leech.

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Garmr, I don't know what to do. ABR is so mean to me all the time. It hurts my gentle, sensitive soul. What should I do?

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Garmr,

What does burn mean? How do I make a burn? I don't want to set anyone on fire, that seems really really mean.

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I thought ABR was empathizing with my pain. He was really trying to be mean?

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Awww Garmr....your so adorable. How could you be scum? I was just messing with you

Nikanor

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I think until ABR actually acts like he cares about the town he's probably scum.

this is a horribly poor method of finding scum on this particular site, fyi.

Unfortunately, true.

Royal, without humor we have only madness.

I'd like someone to die today.

Preferably from this pool of people {Flubbernugget, Texcat, Wake, Shiro}

Can we make it happen?

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Can you link to your most recent scum and town games?

Can I braid your hair?

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Mass hysteria time? One lacking the most je nais se quo gets to die?

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Hmmm? Did I misspell something? Autocorrect has failed me, it must be smited into smitteness.

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House, be a dear and vote Flubber who popped in to chit chat with you and then dissipated. I don't want Texcat dead quite yet because it amuses me. And Wake is percepted to be a player to be reckoned with once riled and I suppose we can wait to see how interesting that might be. What do you think?

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House,

Meh, I pointed you to two flubber over cooked posts. I can get a little crazy as town or have. This game needs a new day. A mass murder would be fun but unfortunately unlikely.

Why are you resistant to flubber/ is this play normal for him? If it were I would be alarmed and unfavorable.

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House,

If I were at my computer I would post a Judge y gift. I feel like you're being judge y. This game is meant to be enjoyed.


Day needs to be over soon.

As Nikanor said you're stretching things to a far degree.

You remain silent on other possible leaches.

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Thats how I feel about flubber popping in after being voted only to discuss his avatar with you rather then his lack of concern over the game.

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Royal, the game is stagnating dull with not much going on. If we get a wagon going. A real one rather then halfhearted that moves the game. Plus this day had bad vibes and the energy needs a bit of a reset.

I think that VC is out of order.

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Days on this site are too long. A week at best, 3 days ideally. Claustrophobia emerges otherwise

House, I'm not voting you because you might be fun at some point. You were busy for a bit till the pause.

On the other hand certain players have been consistent in their apathy.

Imagine if a Nikanor and Garmr did all this Bickering as a plot? That would be a fun twist.

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How?

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There's resistant to the Texcat and Shiro lynches but I'm game for {Flubbernugget, Texcat, Shiro} Shiro's amiable but that doesn't mean much, I guess?

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ika, my read on House is thwarted by this game's weird stuff. To be perfectly frank I mis-remembered (yeah autocorrect wants me to replace that with dismembered, crazy much?) and thought he replaced out of this game but it turned out he replaced out of another game so I'm unclear as to The Unclarity.

So idk, he's in the to be sorted pile.

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LOL

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I feel good about DeltaWave. That's all I can say right now that's in the polite realm of things regarding etc.

DW,

We have 2 wagons going on right now:

House, Flubber

Could both be town? Could one be town and one be scum? Does anyone know for sure outside of scum?

People need to fucking getting on a wagon and I really don't care about anyone or anything else.

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Yeah any of these is fine:

{Texcat, Shiro, Flubber, House, Wake}

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Well, the only thing I will say is that Wake has stated RL stuff, so therefore I am okay with him living one more day and then figuring it out after that.

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Why, Egg?

Also Royal, your logic regarding DW is stunningly what?

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Please don't listen to ABR and lynch obv town.

VOTE: Texcat

Ok, Drixx let's make this happen. Her flip tells me something about Egg among others.

DeltaWave, are you good with Texcat lynch?

Royal, I think you said you would be as well?

House, Flubber, etc, please on Texcat - it's barely alive, let's put it out of its misery.

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I agree with Delta's though process if not the form he is explaining it or the words he's choosing. I have yet to see a "full Wake" that was promised but due to his RL stuff going on and more patient but not everyone is.

No.

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Egg,

Wow, okay Flubber is just annoying in general if that is his playstyle. Will deal with that later prolly.

Thanks for pointing out the meta reasons re: Wake. Does anyone else who has played with the people up for wagoning have meta to share? Disagree\agree?

I will however actively resist any wagon that feels like its on town. Such as DeltaWave.

Can we compromise on Texcat or even Shiro? I agree with Drixx that a look at their ISO puts them far behind even Flubber.

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Delta wagon is bad because his criticism of Wake makes sense. That's why it's bad. What is Wake going to come up with? Oh he's going to write a post about Texcat, how scintillating. I can't fucking wait to see what epic level post he makes. /sarcasm

Voting Wake and the push he is making is pressure. Maybe he didn't explain it but I feel what he's feeling so all that can def. come from town. Is Wake going to even post or is he going to post about posting ad nauseam and slide past into night without doing much? That is where this is heading.

Did you even ask Delta for why he pushed the way he pushed?

All this Wake defense makes me really curious as to a Wake flip.

At this rate we'll have a no lynch situation.

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At least Shiro is trying now.

Let's kill Texcat.

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I don't know what you are if you have been reading my posts.

Although, freeko stopped talking which is interesting.

Vote Texcat.

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House, I made an error? I'm not able to sort you today.

Drix, the case against Delta is bad. Lets do Tex and then come what may or whatever.

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Delta, switch to texmix plz.

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DeltaWave is obvious town.

I don't know what Wake is but at this point his lynch seem bad because he refers to DW as anti town town which tells me his instinct is good.

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Oh look Texcat has issues with basic reading comprehension and is missing my posts. Why is it still alive?

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Even Wake who he's attacking referred to him as town. He has been pressuring what he thinks to be scum and has a town mindset that matches mine.

You seem to ignore how devoid of content Texcats posts are and continue to be.

Tex, I haven't started denigrating you yet. I'm being my nicest self, kitty. What're you going to do stab me at night?

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When she stops shit posting and selectively reading the thread and my posts maybe I will give a damn.

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Ok, tonight since I can't ISO and multi.quote while phone posting.

Can you explain why egg and etc are defending Texcat? Do they even have a case?

Flubber where are you on Texcat? Or explain the above?

Edit, to Drixx

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I feel better about flubber.

Scum have been using the drama to hide.

ABR, you like killing obv town so ******

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You have no case.

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You have no case.

Pot meet kettle.

I've been defending Delta since day one. Who do you want a case on?

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*beginning of day one since we're still in the same god forsaken day

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ABR, is it poisoned?

House, his posts remind me of some of my early impatient town posts but he's far more polite. I'm thinking the same things he's been saying. O don't know, if he's scum them I must be one too so vote me.

Also the case on him is weak sauce.

How does being critical of Wake who people have been prodding or trying to get to align with his reputation make for a scum case?

Like I don't believe in reputations so I've been knocking heads with all sorts of quote u quote superstars because Hype is Hype.

I am. Usually better at vibing town then non town.

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Nikanor, the wagon on dw is built on townie so its easy while Texcat has posted nothing of consequence but her scummates are protecting her.

Drixx, can't do quotes right now. Give me some reasons why you're not on Texcat. She's posting brilliantly so far?

Also vote me if you think I'm scum.

Texcat if you call me lying scum one more time without posting proof I will tear into you with real claws.

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Oh look opportunistic vote jump by Texcat. Surprise.

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@ mod

officially requesting replace, this game isn't worth it

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Yeah not dealing with Mod threatening me over referring to Texcat as an It, fuck double standards. If you can call someone a lying scum repeatedly you can deal with being called an It. Or not I guess.
Enjoy the hot mess. GL town.

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I don't mind making things public, considering the history of this game. Fyi, giving players ultimatums such as, "You will not do it again." Doesn't quite result in a happy ending either. Consider it a mod kill for refusal to comply.

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Modkill me for breaking the rules. Oh look I'm posting. Breaks a real rule instead of nonsense about personal attacks on a shitty player. Mods on this site range from nut job about random nonsense to being normal. Do I get a modkill now? Oh big surprise town side.