NY 183 - Apocalypse Mafia

[Kitz]

Hi.

[Kitz]

That's oddly specific.

[Kitz]

First to talk, first to die!

VOTE: kitz

Love you too.

[Kitz]

Only one mafia PR? I see.

One Mafia PR and two-three Goons, seems very balanced.

[Kitz]

Kitz, you haven't weighed in yet. What are your thoughts on the game so far?

My thoughts on the game? Chill. I don't know half the players, so at this point it's just a bit of observing until RVS is over then the game actually starts.
I also went to sleep, so my inactivity... shh.

Actually I just shimmed over a few posts, didn't notice Elusive's questions. Towny, and questions are fun.

Spoiler:

Q: Favorite game of mafia you've played here or elsewhere and why?
A: 2man 4 Faction mafia (8) against 20 town and 2 arsonists. So chaotic.
Q: What is your dream or ideal mafia role? Why?
A: Read the wiki, Strongman out of those. Guranteed kills ftw?
Q: Favorite season?
A: Winter. I'll add in favorite time being the twilight.
Q: In an actual Apocalypse what is the first thing you would do?
A: It depends on the apocalypse. In the example given by OP and situation, find and lead people into safety.

[Kitz]

I could vote Kitz...because...you know...cats.

U fooking w0t m8 wat wrung wif u aint no catz

Arctic Fox, not cat. The kind with the folklore about exchanging happiness for infinite luck, or luck for infinite happiness.
Or both removed with some dank badass karma.

[Kitz]

Woke up, morning all.

Kitz, hello again, how's it going? Are you a scummy Arctic Fox or a town one?

Great, one I know and like.
Hi there, I'm doing fine. Well, obviously the answer should be Yes, from all being asked here.
How are you? Are you active or dormant?

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@Grib: I forgot, but did we play a game together? Your name's famiiiiliiar.
@Creative: I think you're my first townread.

Kitz

Lewl. The only one at rock bottom.

Kitz has posted several times, but they're all fluff (with the exception of answering elusive's questions). Says she's observing since she's unfamiliar with the players and is waiting for RVS to over (which it has been for some time). More pressure here, please.

Give or take that I was asleep, and it's still only the first quarter of the first day. However it's adequate with the current discussion having already serious reads, this can go to several directions. I'm however not amused with that I'm apparently picked randomly with the reason "Fluff", which is actually a thing I tend to do.

I'm off for like two hours, back soon. <3

[Kitz]

Kitz, you were asleep for 36 hours?

If I'm too physically sick and tired, I can sleep that long.
But nay, I didn't sleep that long this time.

@All : Meta sucks.
@Setup : We should not discuss that until at least a single role has flipped.

[Kitz]

Do you think Grib would make sense here as an SK?

Maybe. I'm reading him as potential neutral based on this.

Also, Errant: I have a lot of nullreads, which I will move onto either after Kitz starts posting, or if some of them start acting really scummy.

Why would one have nullreads in this fashion?
If everyone's a nullread and I come to be read as a town, would all the nullreads become an actual read? What if I were scum, would all nullreads become a read?

This seems rather influencial, and I read it more like "I actually have reads, but I prefer to keep quiet until some posts so I can change my reads appropriately".
And the fact that I'm picked randomly for the sake of "just because", I'm pretty sure if I wasn't picked then another would have been treated the same way.

It could be one of those meta thingies and playstyles tho, he seems rather agressive, but that behavior pretty much prods as neutralish.

[Kitz]

Hey Kitz, why are so many people rising up to defend you? Have you played with them before? Is it your feline (vixen?) charm?

This many defending me, I think it's justified by that Grib basically picked someone on a random-lottery, said their scummy, and then stuff burns. If he picked another out of the blue, they'd probably defend that victim too.

And the only players I know that are in this game are you Elusive, Klingon, Grib, Boonskiies, Shinobi. Oh wait, one of them is the host.

[Kitz]

What do you think of Skold's post in particular?

I found this section to be the most interesting. I'd like to townlean on this one because the thing pointed out are toxic.
It's a pointer on the two factors of Nero, neither are good and are toxic. Rather concerning, regardless of town or scum.

What is the evidence on Boon lynch? I can't wrap my head around it. It seems to me to be Dancing Jesus saying ''I think he's bad at mafia so instead of scumhunting this day I'll be policy lynching someone I have an agenda against''

This screams two things to me. Not sure which one or if both. One is scum trying to get away with a mislynch by bringing a previous misgiving into the game to get away with a mislynch. Or this is someone with a bone to pick with another player and just wants him out of the game.

Either way
Both self + other player meta + dumb excuse for a lynch = VOTE: Nero Cain

[Kitz]

Of course votes are divided, it's Day 1.

[Kitz]

What questions? I tend not to notice if they aren't presented as a list.

Even if there's a quote of your post with text beneat it?
I duuuno on that one.

[Kitz]

Kitz, will you do something moderately towny if I ask nicely?

5: I'd like to see more posts from kitz. She's posted very little of substance so far, and that worries me.

And what would be "Moderately Towny"?
Everyone's doing wall texts of eachothers because of

Meta

, and I just cannot argue with Meta.
Meta sucks, I don't interpret that thing and I don't understand it. Thus I am silent for now.

What confuse me the most is the "town block" thingie, like, why is it even a thing this early? I also don't know the player's playstyle, yet.

That's the usual bad quirk about a Day 1. It'll improve as things happen and the game has progressed, I'll see more past the bias of meta.

[Kitz]

Also I find Kitz's excuse for not posting weird when relatively little meta has been the focus of conversation lately. In fact apart from my argument with Skold (where only a couple of points revolved around it anyway) I don't see where it's even being mentioned.

That's the normal me for the early game. I'm also bad at voicing opinions, and I had my share bite on Grib's hypocritical moment and logic.
From what I read, there's meta everywhere. Grib's behavior? Meta. Boon's behavior? Meta. Less activity, more activity, more passive, more aggro, geeee meta.

Even Elusive attempted meta on me.

[Kitz]

Kitz you have not voted at all. Why?

I rarely vote on the first day. In every other game, everyone had an OCD Freakout with my logic about jail, mislynch town, blabla. It's funny to read.
Want me to explain it in detail and cause another OCD Freakout here too?

[Kitz]

Anywho, I don't actually find you scummy, Kitz.

Is there a reason, or just gut?

Actually I'm vanilla townie but I be replacing out.

@Mod replace me out

Sooo you replace out, claim VT and the next guy who will replace you will be VT under your claim?
If the claim's wrong, it'll backfire, and by claiming at all, you're already giving clues about roles to scum.

Seems rather too easy to go under the radar.

[Kitz]

This game is weird with the amount of replacements. Will there even be enough replacements?

Jbomber732 is being replaced.

Garmr is being replaced.

Megalo has failed to respond to his prod and is being replaced.

Bewilderbeast is being prodded. If he fails to respond adequately to this prod, he will be replaced.

Some players can easily change their meta, but there's always something that pushes their buttons or causes them to relax as either Town or Scum. That's what I look for. Very subtle but carved in stone psychology tells.

So, psychologic meta to justify any meta? What would be a case of "causes them to relax"?

[Kitz]

^ That is a startling question that has startled me into startlingness.

Didn't notice you were voting me. Could you explain?

I did a quick ISO to find this.

Skold, I'm voting you because I expect that once you're rested you'll catch up fully and be thorough! Happy rest time

[Kitz]

Alright well first of all UNVOTE:

Will read up and have more to say tomorrow.

Welcome! ...
... Tomorrow? Gnnh~

[Kitz]

Someone get me caught the fuck up because 30 pages will take a long time for me

Half of it is filler.

[Kitz]

Great, one of my favorites has replaced in.
Since you posted quite a lot and got loud quick, I assume you have read at least 90% of the game?

I'm a bit confused at how the wording can be that much of a help, since, Y'know, there's a very obvious way to write it...

[Kitz]

Kitz has managed to post zero content and game solving during her posts. She didnt gave any position about someone on the game, and the active lurking bothers me.

Day one, all my opinions, thoughts and whatever, are very foggy as none either takes it serious, or doesn't properly read it, or just plain "I don't agree no matter what".
This encourages my normal lurk for the first day of all games, I end up being silent, which is a norm.

Why are everyone saying that I have done absolutely nothing?
I have done something, but not nothing at all.

Spoiler:

@Creative: I think you're my first townread.

Maybe. I'm reading him as potential neutral based on this.

Why would one have nullreads in this fashion?
If everyone's a nullread and I come to be read as a town, would all the nullreads become an actual read? What if I were scum, would all nullreads become a read?

This seems rather influencial, and I read it more like "I actually have reads, but I prefer to keep quiet until some posts so I can change my reads appropriately".
And the fact that I'm picked randomly for the sake of "just because", I'm pretty sure if I wasn't picked then another would have been treated the same way.

It could be one of those meta thingies and playstyles tho, he seems rather agressive, but that behavior pretty much prods as neutralish.

I found this section to be the most interesting. I'd like to townlean on this one because the thing pointed out are toxic.
It's a pointer on the two factors of Nero, neither are good and are toxic. Rather concerning, regardless of town or scum.

Everyone's doing wall texts of eachothers because of Meta, and I just cannot argue with Meta.
Meta sucks, I don't interpret that thing and I don't understand it. Thus I am silent for now.

What confuse me the most is the "town block" thingie, like, why is it even a thing this early? I also don't know the player's playstyle, yet.

[Kitz]

It's less than 24 hours, and it seems that a lynch will happen anyways. I should at least do something, with a vote then.

The votes changed quite quickly. Since there's no new VC, I made one myself.
Everyone jumped from Vamp to Xay for a counterwagon, just because of inactivity?


Before : Skold (6): House, Ricastle, Bellaphant, davesaz, Klingoncelt, Errantparabola
Now : Skold (7): House, Ricastle, Bellaphant, davesaz, Klingoncelt, Errantparabola, Vampirate
Before : Vampirate (4): Nero Cain, PointYbagelS, PeaceBringer, Xayzeck
Now : Vampirate (1): Xayzeck
Unchanged : Klingoncelt (1): Boonskiies
Before : Ricastle (1): Vampirate
Now : Ricastle (0):
Before : Kitz (1): Grib
Now : Kitz (0):
Unchanged : Bellaphant (1): Rubicon
Before : Xayzeck (1): elusive
Now : Xayzeck (5): elusive, PeaceBringer, Grib, PointYbagelS, Nero Cain

Not Voting : Kitz, Creative, Skold

Hmm, I understand myself why I don't vote, but I don't see the reason of Creative and Skold.

[Kitz]

well that is a lynch...

Uh, is it? You voted someone else, and he claims L1...

L-1

[Kitz]

Hammer it, Kitz! HAMMER TIME!

Aww, fine.
VOTE: Skold

[Kitz]

Noticed this was up, hey all.

None died? That's odd. Could be an involvement with either doctor, bulletproof, commuter, roleblocker or some others that I didn't list, but what about the 3P?
We don't really have enough clues to know yet.

[Kitz]

Kitz post is meh enough that I can get on that wagon

Gee, I just got here. The game didn't start on the specified time, so I lagged out until I refreshed.

[Kitz]

What makes me more Meh than anyone else here for an opening? What makes me so much more troubling?
I even freaking contributed by sharing my thoughts about the possibilities.

These could be Meh.

What? You mean I

didn't

Serial Kill anyone to the face?

Sorry, Ricastle. I'm disappointed too.

Hm, I have a lot of townreads off that wagon.

[Kitz]

Nightkill speculation, is not inherently towny, though the way you did it isn't scummy either. It accomplishes nothing, much like everything else you've posted.

I don't see how speculating what happened in the night is particulary scummy or towny other than the sake of contemplating what may have happened, and give the others an idea if they have some feedback themselves.

[Kitz]

I'll be gone now, sendt the host the following message.

Spoiler:

I have failed to be part of that game, mostly due to being invested in too much other things.
I fear that I won't be a part of it even if I try now and all I do is being non-contributive and lagged to what's happening.

So I'd like to ask to replace me out for someone who's more able for this game. Thanks.