New York 181 -- Game Over

Aneninen · Thu May 14, 2015 8:09 am

von Handy und getrunken. Warum mußt du so lange Posten schreiben? Das kann und will ich jetzt überhaupt nicht lesen. Vielleicht später wenn ich Lust habe. Lol?

Aneninen · Thu May 14, 2015 8:27 am

yeah I should not post from mobile während I m fucking drunken und eine Freundin von mir sagt daß ich etwas auf Deutsch schreiben sollte.
Fucking ignore me pleasr I have no idea what I am doing and Ill be fucking get an official Warning weil ich wiedet mal auf Deutsch schreibe.
Please dont give me a warning Im an idiot. Amd my partner is horny meanwhile. What tje hell I am doing? Keine Ahnung.

Aneninen · Thu May 14, 2015 8:28 am

yeah I should not post from mobile während I m fucking drunken und eine Freundin von mir sagt daß ich etwas auf Deutsch schreiben sollte.
Fucking ignore me pleasr I have no idea what I am doing and Ill be fucking get an official Warning weil ich wiedet mal auf Deutsch schreibe.
Please dont give me a warning Im an idiot. Amd my partner is horny meanwhile. What tje hell I am doing? Keine Ahnung.

Aneninen · Thu May 14, 2015 8:29 am

Doppelpost. Tut mir leid.

Aneninen · Thu May 14, 2015 9:33 am

Tomorrow. At least I'm home. Sorry again.

Aneninen · Thu May 14, 2015 8:03 pm

In post 4427, AngryPidgeon wrote:
What if RIP is fakeclaiming VT? IDK. He could be a cop faking VT in which case I don't really care. He could be scum faking VT in which case..ok? I guess my read on the slot sucks in that event. He could be a VT
faking
claiming VT. Not really sure where we are going with this. Also, I don't really see an issue with Texcat's posts there. She is using NK spec to SK hunt which IIRC is something she mentioned as an actually valid way to SK hunt.

Okay. Got it. As for TexCat's post NKA, my biggest problem is that only the first two Nightkills are useful.

In post 4428, AngryPidgeon wrote:
1) I'm not going to talk about Dragon because I already have a lot. TL;DR: Gut + AtE
2) I didn't like you clarifying that you agreeing with Dragon had a caveat about Dragon being scum. There is only one scum left and they've been independent this whole time. If Dragon has a valid point, then he has a valid point. There is no reason to preface it with a "but dragon might be scum..." when you acknowledge it. Also Dragon is still town. Maybe Delta has played different when wagoned, but getting wagoned generally causes people to be more frantic regardless of their alignment. How would you say he is being different?
4) I thought ABR was town. The push on Ika flatly makes zero sense to me from scum and I thought some of his points would make sense to ABR-town like the one about "What is my strategy as scum...to coast until I get lynched?". A lot of his posts made me think he was the cop, which is sort of whatever now that RIP is claiming VT, but I think ABR was town. I'm going to actively evaluate RIP though because I can and ABR was a lurksack.
5) Which part of that post? The first 2 quotes are taking stabs at poor logic which is pretty alignment neutral. Asks me why I think ABR is town which apparently is the flavor of the month thing to ask me. Mentions a variety of reasons why his posting might sound different to me. Yaaaaa. IDK, this post doesn't really do much for my read on Egg at all.

(1) Let's say, you're right about Dragon. It may work for Today.
(2) I handle everything posted by a scumread with a grain of salt, that's all, but see (1). As for the next part. It's sure that everyone's playing differently when they're wagoned but I think he's survival-istic and pushing whomever he can just to avoid a lynch.
(4) Okay.
(5) Which part did I mean? Most of the content there is an IRL-null. Maybe it's only me but I can see easily a scum behind that. Although, I must admit that I'm the worst slot to point out IRL-bullshyt after my recent posts. Sorry again, everyone!
(6) As for Pisskop, being at the Klingonette-slot is against him, and I haven't forgotten that he was scumread by me before. However, according to my analysis it's unlikely that he's the SK. But, as for his recent posts... I don't know what to think.

In post 4452, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 4449, pisskop wrote:I don't want his slot surviving until lylo. Agree?

why do you keep saying that? There is no reason for us to expect to get to lylo. The only person who would want us to get there is the SK.

In post 4453, pisskop wrote:I was talking to rio, not dragonspawn.

Again, that's a valid point by Dragonspawn and a bad answer from Pisskop. It's indifferent whom you were talking to. Apart from the SK noone wants to see a LyLo here. Apart from the SK noone must wish

hard

to be at LyLo.

In post 4458, RIP wrote:I'm all for lynching pisskob. He's basically know whoever we vote today is not the SK.
Who else knows that?
Slip.

I don't think we have enough time for that. But if we had, I might join.
The slip is pigeon poop in my opinion. Talking about LyLo, well, that's a bigger tell.

In post 4464, pisskop wrote:
vote: RIP

He saw what was happening and this is his response? A wacky 'slip' that I don't even what.

An OMGUS after he pointed out that you'd been joining every wagon?

In post 4469, A Royal Saint wrote:
In post 4442, pisskop wrote:
vote: dragonpawn

I think that is hammer? Or did I misread things? Like why hammer when convo just getting started?

??? Not even close to that.

Aneninen · Sat May 16, 2015 5:26 am

Needn't I do something?

Aneninen · Sat May 16, 2015 5:47 am

In post 4501, AngryPidgeon wrote:oh man Delta and ARS are town.

Weren't you townreading Delta Yesterday?

In post 4513, RIP wrote:I am vt. I was trying to draw Nk by making Sk believe I might have powers.

Where?

In post 4524, AngryPidgeon wrote:You idiots seriously think I would kill ARS?
Insulting to MY scumgame to boot.

Why?

In post 4532, pisskop wrote:Naa. This isnt scum Anen.

Correct observation.

In post 4536, texcat wrote:Sounds ok to me.
VOTE: Pisskop

What sounds ok?

In post 4549, AngryPidgeon wrote:1 more to end the game, you guys can do it!! Go town!

Sarcast-Ick?

When did we drop Dragonspawn as a possible SK and why?

Aneninen · Sat May 16, 2015 10:03 am

Why should I?

Aneninen · Sat May 16, 2015 10:38 pm

In post 4580, dragonspawn wrote:Can't get townier than town. Question makes no sense.

Neither your answer. ^_^

In post 4581, dragonspawn wrote:anen, what do you think of ap and egg?

I'll tell my thoughts soon but I need to see some reactions first.

In post 4582, RIP wrote:Anen it was quoted where I soft claimied I had powers.

I must have missed it then. Where?

Aneninen · Sun May 17, 2015 5:53 am

As for RIP:
(1) ABR hadn't been a main SK-suspect before he left.
(2) What if RIP was interested in the Setup because of fake-claiming/crumbing/whatever Cop?
(3) I've seen this kind of gameplay from him before. He was town.

As for Dragonspawn, I'm not townreading him.

Aneninen · Mon May 18, 2015 2:57 am

In post 4588, Egg wrote:Anen, ok so why was ABR town then?
And your #2 has no effect on his alignment.
What about his meta are you seeing that is specific to his town game and doesn't apply to his scum game?

(1) He scored too few on my SK-suspect list (see yesterday). Also, his lurky gamestyle would have been too risky for being the SK if he were that. (Not only because of getting wagoned out of nothing... the Mafia could have killed him anytime. It didn't happen but no SK could have prepared for being the only scum with 7 townies.)
(2) Actually the other two things are interconnected. I have direct meta only on his town game but not only was it similar. He was also messing around with his Cop claim. (He was Goon Cop and got Nightkilled.)
(1) and (2) are adding up in my mind.

In post 4591, pisskop wrote:Pros are we know who suspects what and how much.

Cons the Scum knows this too.

Wait, I hear something!
A small crack... than someone starts rolling... what could it be?
...
I know! A WIFOM-avalanche is emerging!

In post 4593, texcat wrote:Mine are Pisskop, Pisskop, and Pisskop.

That amount of effort...

By the way, what's the case against Texcat?

Also, where is AngryPidgeon? He would have needed to be prodded, wouldn't he?

Spoiler: Not a pigeon

Aneninen · Mon May 18, 2015 3:13 am

Also, this.
Although I've never played with ABR before, would it be possible that he had replaced out of an SK-slot?

Aneninen · Mon May 18, 2015 3:14 am

And one more thing about RIP.
He kept advocating in another game that the Nightkill confirmed his alignment. It didn't happen there nor here... but it seems to be a thing he's just "brought here" from another page he used to play on.

Aneninen · Mon May 18, 2015 10:30 am

In post 4601, Egg wrote:ABR will lurk as any alignment. And your SK profile made far too many assumptions to eliminate people. What made ABR score low? I don't remember.

Combined score.
Why should I SK-read that slot anyway?

In post 4603, RIP wrote:Egg why don't u want me to be clear? U understand that clearing people is a way to POE?
If 5 people said the words: RIP is conf town im not gonna worry for now.
This will make the SK kill me and also removes one person to worry about. I'm never surviving one more or even 2 nights.
Clearing someone takes a away a myslinch as now SK has to take them out instead of let's say a better player etc

No, you're not conf-town. Merely not amongst my suspects.
Speculating on the forthcoming SK-kill is bad. Especially because it would be better if we lynched him/her Today.

AngryPidgeon, 4606–4608. And my intuition says that I shouldn't trust you at all.

In post 4609, pisskop wrote:Working off the assumption that SK knew who scum were and purposely NKed them.

And am I called a player making silly assumptions?!

Aneninen · Mon May 18, 2015 12:52 pm

Testing the waters for mislynching me, AP?

Aneninen · Tue May 19, 2015 1:57 am

I'm thinking...

Meanwhile, I'm necro-ing this post:

In post 4534, AngryPidgeon wrote:I dunno, I've been townreading him recently mostly because he has been putting in effort.
My read on him a few Days ago was based mostly on believing that he was not-mafia
which is now true of everybody. The only content I can remember from him recently has been walling at me with bullet points which is less than inspiring.

Can you explain the highlighted part?

Aneninen · Tue May 19, 2015 7:55 am

In post 4651, AngryPidgeon wrote:
VOTE: Anen
Lets have some fun.

Is that your best idea?

Aneninen · Tue May 19, 2015 8:24 am

AP, can you summarize your case?

Egg, I'm not 100% sure that AngryPidgeon is town but he's way not my main suspect.

Aneninen · Tue May 19, 2015 11:22 am

Just one thing, AP.
It was I who pointed out that ARS had made a townslip. Why would I "make unlynchable players" if I were SK?

Aneninen · Tue May 19, 2015 11:32 am

Yeah, my whole gameplay has been about getting as much town credit as much I can.
...not really.

Aneninen · Tue May 19, 2015 6:37 pm

WTF?!

Pisskop, I don't think you're the SK but why did you hammer?

AP, were you the Cop? I actually thought that you had investigated me before, that'swhy I asked about that older post.

Nevertheless, if he flips Cop you'll get a pigeon on every single page Tomorrow for hammering without asking this.

Happy Birthday, AP! ^_^

Aneninen · Tue May 19, 2015 8:04 pm

I thought you might have been distancing from the role. It would have made sense.

Aneninen · Wed May 20, 2015 4:59 am

Just one question, AP.
Did you think that you had been lynched?

(Because I thought so.)

Aneninen · Wed May 20, 2015 8:24 pm

In post 4726, pisskop wrote:Nope. I don't townread AP. I don't townread you, either.

In post 4727, pisskop wrote:I would lynch Dragon, as I said earlier.

So, as others have already pointed out, it seems that you're willing to lynch almost everyone.

In post 4730, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 4722, Aneninen wrote:Just one question, AP.
Did you think that you had been lynched?
(Because I thought so.)

(1) No, I knew who was voting me.
(2) Also since when did people stop caring about RIP? <- Mostly asking because its kind of surreal now that I think about it. Although he hasn't been here which is pleasant.

(1) What a pity! Had you thought so, you'd be more or less conf-town now.
(2) Basically, it's RIP's style. Even if I haven't seen his scumplay yet, what he's doing is really close to his town-game I watched. I mean certain bits, like "the Nightkill just confirmed that I'm town" things.

Also, I think I can phrase what my problem with the scum-ABR idea is.
A lurky-gamestyle like the one he did might help him live 'till LyLo... if there were Mafia living. In that case, more than half of our effort would be spent on finding Mafia member(s). (More than half, because it's an easier task, due to associative tells.) I think if that slot were SK, ABR's gameplay would have changed when only one Mafia had left... or at latest, when no Mafia had left. No such thing happened.

In post 4733, pisskop wrote:I give AP the credit of being capable of saying genuine things as scum :\

Bad reasoning and WIFOM, too.
Even if a player is said to have a good scumplay, that tells NOTHING about the game they're in.

In post 4738, AngryPidgeon wrote:Damn there are like 3 RCs now. Red Coyote is p cool. Rapid canyon who siteflaked in early 2013 (rip) and I assumed you mean Radiant Cowbells.

OFF
Yes, I too find this phenomenon annoying. There are so many players with similar or the same abbreviations. To tell the truth, even the ABR / ARS pair gave me hard times, not even once.
There's a list on the wiki with the common abbreviations, but it's hopelessly outdated. Needn't we refresh it or built a kind of "periodic table of players"?
ON

AP, your 4748 contains interesting thoughts.

Egg. I have two problems with your 4749. Firstly, the Ika-kill tells us nothing since it was a pretty obvious kill. The Titus-kill tells us very little. She obviously fake-claimed Doc at Twilight, which made her obv-town. It must have been an obvious choice for the SK to Nightkill her since it was obvious that the Mafia would Nightkill the real Doc.
Secondly, the list doesn't include you at all!

In post 4762, texcat wrote:My top reads for SK were Delta and Pisskop and ABR. I didn't want to lynch them when they could still help us find mafia.

Pigeon poop.
Because:

In post 4764, Egg wrote:Because Delta, Pisskop, and ABR have been so helpful this game....

Also, that ISO nearby. Eg. 3191 (soft-town on ARS), 3276 and 3319 in themselves, 3408 (now ARS is Mafia and voted), 3514 in itself... Generally, too much care about the SK.

________

I don't think RIP is SK (explained above) and the same goes for AP (even if he was aware of the VC, I doubt that he'd have reacted in that way to his wagon if he were SK).
I start developing doubts on the DragonSpawn-SK read, because of factors I can't explain.
Egg is a possibility. I can't point out

anything

delicately SK-ish, but I can't rule him out either.
According to the recent bits found about Texcat, she's a possibility.
My other guess might be Pisskop, because of his constant vote-hopping and his general recent posting style.

Aneninen · Thu May 21, 2015 3:56 am

A question we may need to think about.

Why did ARS die?

I can see these possibilities:
(1) the SK thought we'd never lynch him
(2) the SK thought he was the Cop
(3) ARS had an SK-read on the SK
(4) ARS had no SK-read on the SK, therefore he/she wanted to WIFOM-ize the game
(5) the SK rolled a die

We can't do anything about (5) so I'm ignoring it now.
Both (5) and (4) seem to be bad idea; or at least I think trying to find the Cop would have been a better idea. So I ignore (4) too. (I'm aware of the fact that I'd fit (4) because on his last Day he was townreading me!)

(3) : his other read was DragonSpawn.

What do you think about (1) and (2)?

________

Post-edit
Pisskop: I hope you're kidding right now. Thanks anyway!

Aneninen · Thu May 21, 2015 4:14 am

I'm thinking.

Aneninen · Thu May 21, 2015 4:20 am

Pisskop: After all...

VOTE: Texcat

________

Post-edit

Dragon: maybe you did so. You can find plenty of games in my meta where I was not voting for a long time or forgot my vote somewhere. You'll find out that it's not an alignment tell in my case.

Aneninen · Thu May 21, 2015 4:56 am

Three, Pisskop. You're voting for me. ^_^

Aneninen · Thu May 21, 2015 5:37 am

@All

Do you know what my problem is?
I strongly think there's something... anything out there which would tell us who the SK is. And we'd only need to find that thing. But I'm simply unable to do it.
Right now I think the SK must be amongst these: Texcat, Pisskop, Egg. Can I bring up anything which proves something? No. Can I be wrong about my list? Yes.
That's it.

Aneninen · Fri May 22, 2015 10:33 am

Pisskop is also a possibility.

Intent to hammer.

Aneninen · Fri May 22, 2015 10:51 am

Did you mean Klingonette?

That happened ages ago so I don't remember every details. But I remember that she was hard-distancing from the SK-role, talked a lot about it, started raging, there was that drama with SilverWolf (replaced by ARS, who flipped town). I strongly thought that she was SK but right after I started pushing her wagon it dissolved and a couple of players jumped on me. Actually none of the latter things made too much sense, as I'm thinking about it now. If she/Pisskop were Mafia, I'd have understood it.

Also, yet again I can't count the f-cking votes. Has anyone got surprised?

Aneninen · Fri May 22, 2015 9:52 pm

Egg: I see your points. Still, I don't see any proof that she wasn't faking those posts. Also, mind Dragonspawn's answer too.

Pisskop, 4827: I don't get your point at all. I'm already voting for Texcat.

RIP, 4830, 4832, 4833 – the trajectory behind these posts needs to be explained.

AP: despite your LA you still will post here, won't you? Your vote for me is useless Today.

Aneninen · Fri May 22, 2015 10:20 pm

Actually it's a good thing that nothing is happening.
I'm about to get my motivation back to write the new dialogue pages for E.B.O.N.Y. ^_^

Aneninen · Mon Jun 01, 2015 6:01 am

I'll post more later but here are a couple of thoughts.

Egg, you played exceptionally well! Before LyLo you hadn't even been wagoned at all! We were talking about it in the Death Thread whether the Setup is fair for the SK, you might check that.

Gratz for the townies who made it for us.

Ika played it very well with that fake-claim, he bought me a couple of Days, even if I failed to use that time.
As for me, well. After the Mafia had been eliminated I tried to survive as long as I could. I tried to avoid both getting lynched and getting Nightkilled. I was successful at the first one and I failed at the second one.

Thanks for Modding, I had a great time.