NY 186: Mafia In Japan - Mafia Victory!

[Espeonage]

If we are PLing anyone it will be Klingon.

ika is ok for now, ika is readable.

Claim is fine, doubt it's real claim but fine nonetheless.

Kaboose's reaction to the claim is absolutely terrible though. A large normal is not a game you are going to solve. There is no town motivation to wanting to decide of the claim is real. If the claim is real they don't need protection or support of any kind.

Vote: Kaboose

This is a good lynch.

[Espeonage]

ok but like, 1. The claim is wifom to begin with. 2. Town doesn't really care if the claim is true or not. 3. There isn't any role that combos with it in a way to make it conf town.

The only motivation I currently see for your actions is that you are scum posturing to get cred.

[Espeonage]

And what part of large normal doesn't make sense to you?

[Espeonage]

VOTE: ika

Lets do this today.

He is worse than Pisskop.

I can read PM like a book

nup, no dice

[Espeonage]

If Nero isn't getting lynched toDay, i will be voting someone on the Kaboose wagon, because that wagon is fucking garbage.

You could give some sort of explanation why you think that something that screams scum posturing to me isn't. I'm actually willing to listen to logic for a game.

Pedit: Non-malicious = not worth being lynched yet.

[Espeonage]

Leave it for now though.

thoughts on Woody being misguided vs scum would be appreciated though.

[Espeonage]

btw, I think it should be pointed out that I really hate meta, however if it comes to playing the meta game I have countermeta to ika's policy lynch reasoning from nero. He can play if he cares.

[Espeonage]

The nero vote just strikes me as completely out of left field.

[Espeonage]

Hey nero, drop the ika banter, gonna clog the thread.

Clogging of the thread leads to lack of drive in town = easier for scum to hide.

[Espeonage]

Quars is among my town reads actually.

[Espeonage]

unless its a too bad too be scum I don't see how.

It's actually fairly common practice to vote for people that annoy you before you settle for lynches for the day. I don't buy in to it but many people see votes as a motivator even though it isn't. The cognitive process is there which is more than most others can say at this point.

[Espeonage]

Oh right, hilariously unbalanced.

[Espeonage]

annoy was wrong word. Regardless, in my town pile at the moment.

[Espeonage]

Large normals are not solvable. wtf are you smoking omfg.

[Espeonage]

UNVOTE:

F.O.S. Ika

This is really really horrifically bad.

[Espeonage]

I think my read on mence is a playstyle thing, so I'm going to set that aside. My current lynch pool is Kaboose and PMysterious.

The lack of jumps on to PM despite the general agreement that my call out has merit also leads me to believe that they are mostly made of town players, which is null for PM but good for the people commenting on it.

IAI is looking good, but not sure if that just comparatively to the rest of the playerlist.

I can maybe compromise on Klingon.

@People vehemently against Kaboose lynch. With Kaboose wagon at twice the size of any other wagon, this is where you need to start actually coming up with something, because if you are getting town from his posts, it is evidently not the general consensus.

[Espeonage]

332 is just trying to look for stuff to call scummy. He's literally just quoting everyone of his quotes and saying, hey look this is scummy because yadda yadda. Could do the exact same thing and turn it into a town perspective.

FoS: Innocent

You know, I'd actually really love if you did this. Because we can't see it, which is the entirety of why you are getting annoyed at the wagon.

[Espeonage]

Hey Nero. why would you want to pull people off the Kaboose wagon at this point in time given it's size in comparison to other wagons?

[Espeonage]

Unvote, Vote: Nero

The limited meta I have on Klingon states that Klingon is far more stupid than this as scum.

[Espeonage]

btw, I think it should be pointed out that I really hate meta

The nero vote just strikes me as completely out of left field.

Unvote, Vote: Nero

The limited meta I have on Klingon states that Klingon is far more stupid than this as scum.

Just pointing this out.

Sup

[Espeonage]

Espe, why did you vote me without saying why?

What made you choose me over Celt? Yes I know you think that she's town here but how come you were willing to compromise on her earlier?

Reasons

Mostly because it had to be one or other. Because it backed up my comment on PLs.

[Espeonage]

tbh I don't particularly think either wagon is going to produce a scum lynch.

[Espeonage]

i think the nero lynch could

Higher possibility yes, but it's still pretty damn low. Like the only thing I can really find is hypocrisy and burden of proficiency not being lived up to, but neither of those are even close to lynch worthy.

Is anyone against PM? I'd happily leave this for later.

In addition, if Nero does get lynched, and flips town, I will be even more happy with a Kaboose lynch.

Unvote, Vote: PM

[Espeonage]

tbh I don't particularly think either wagon is going to produce a scum lynch.

If you believe this why are you not pushing for who you believe is scum and instead trying to make it an either or situation with me and Celt? There is over a week till deadline so I'm not sure why you are acting like deadline is about to hit.

Like his vote but would like to see more out of Dessew.

Combo of cbf and not wanting to stir the pot. I put effort in to Kaboose. Daily effort maximum was reached.

[Espeonage]

My heart's not in it, you feel me fam?

[Espeonage]

I never thought nero was likely to flip scum.

However I understand that sometimes you gotta go with the flow. And I don't give sufficient fucks to serious push.

[Espeonage]

ok so I just read your last few posts and they are really pinging me hard.

1. so you "went with the flow" with your vote on nero and you didn't even scum read him

yes

2. You admitted you didn't want to stir the pot

yes

3. you place a vote on PM in what looks to be another "safe"

maybe idk, if I wanted to get high and mighty I was the first to call him scum.

vote and you even ask if anyone is against pm

yes

4. you aren't really doing any scum hunting at all and you certainly aren't pushing for people you actually think are scum (at least not that I can tell because 1. no cases are being made by you and 2. no reasons provide for your votes

I've made cases already, on two of the three people I voted as well. If you read between the lines you can probs get my motivations for voting.

dude why you make me do this
resp in bld

[Espeonage]

I'm not sure how many scum there are but first initial guess Celt, Ika, Espeonage.

I am about 80% sure there are no scum in that pool.

[Espeonage]

ya

[Espeonage]

I'm fairy sure that a scum team with myself and ika would actually very likely win just through making all of the other players want to stop playing.

#viablestrats

[Espeonage]

I have a theory. And I'm going to be mad if I'm right.

[Espeonage]

Wait Klingon is capable of doing stuff?

Ok. I need to change my view of a lot of things.

Is this like vezok where someone that used to be a borderline toxic VI is now a normal player?

[Espeonage]

Kaboose had a bunch of resistance too.

I have half a mind to help flip celt, and if she flips town, it puts a bunch of pressure back on kaboose which is good stuffs.

[Espeonage]

I have a theory. And I'm going to be mad if I'm right.

Ok. I need to change my view of a lot of things.

you ever going to expound on these?

how is there a shit ton resistance to celt when celt is the largest wagon?

her being the biggest wagon=//=no or low resistance.

this is basically an ika/flubber wagon all over again

Short answer: no
Long Answer: It might come up to the first, and probably not to the second.

[Espeonage]

Kaboose had a bunch of resistance too.

I have half a mind to help flip celt, and if she flips town, it puts a bunch of pressure back on kaboose which is good stuffs.

What about nero

Nero's wagon didn't fall apart to make celt's wagon.

[Espeonage]

Unvote, Vote: Celt

time for day to end kthx.

[Espeonage]

Unvote

[Espeonage]

Ok maybe my unvote wasn't enough.

Klingon is town. 100%

[Espeonage]

Fuck, secret is out. I am actually co mod. This is bastard game. Time to move out of New York.

[Espeonage]

The klingon I remember has never said anything remotely profound that was based on anything resembling logic.

[Espeonage]

The klingon I remember has never said anything remotely profound that was based on anything resembling logic.

So they're town because you think they're stupid?

no

that's like...

you rly need to read between the lines

[Espeonage]

no, Espe is town as fuck.

ty

ily

[Espeonage]

Like I could be mafia, but like, I could find $500 cash on the ground tomorrow, but it's very unlikely.

[Espeonage]

So glad I played the end of this day right.

[Espeonage]

your right im secrtlty a goon

fixed for correctness

are you going to hammer celt at l1?

espe, you admitted that your vote [on me] was "going with the flow", so how come you were willing to "go with the flow" with me but not really doing that with Celt?

bc math

[Espeonage]

aww you're support to ask for an explanation.

[Espeonage]

Vote: Quar

[Espeonage]

@Nero, if that's your only reason for Quar being town then does it not follow that all other cases Quar is scum. So therefore me being town would equal Quar being scum as well. Because that seems pretty off.

[Espeonage]

you being town=//=quar scum.

I mean sure, he sat there early game and misrepped my position that I was going after Celt and Ika 'cause I didn't like them and now has some bullshit about how Radja is scum reading everyone that I wanted to policy lynch. I wouldn't say his play is pro-town or good but thats pretty much 97% of this site.

And then there's Woody, who is STILL fussing about my first post and can't comprehend that the game state has moved forward but if you think Quar is scummy for fussing about my pl on Ika, why is Woody not scummy for the same thing?

He's making up a bunch of bullshit

What am I making up?

That is not why quar is scummy. I even called him town earlier. It's because of more recent postings. And very much for the wagon hop recently.

[Espeonage]

Unvote, Vote: Klingon

WHAT???

[Espeonage]

And y'all thought it would be ika.

[Espeonage]

btw there was a reason for this, bc someone else kinda town slipped for me which prompted this and I didn't want to second guess myself.

[Espeonage]

thanks for making my life easy

pedit: cool sotry we can lynch kaboose next

ya ya

[Espeonage]

I rly hope scum kill salamence.

[Espeonage]

If I could kill someone tonight I'd kill ika. He the real threat.

[Espeonage]

ika, if you are actually scum here, which I doubt, I am gonna be rly annoy

[Espeonage]

Aww man

[Espeonage]

Unvote

[Espeonage]

thanks for making my life easy

pedit: cool sotry we can lynch kaboose next

thanks for making my life easy

pedit: cool sotry we can lynch kaboose next

ya ya

I really feel like these two know what Celt will flip already.

Celt is hella town bruh

[Espeonage]

Uh, I think espeonage thought he was hammering...

ya, and now fkn ika got it.

[Espeonage]

I pref kaboose of them

[Espeonage]

it's a joke

[Espeonage]

I have a condition. It's called meet up in jokes that I do to make myself laugh. And honestly my last post was fkn hilarious to me. But I apologise because it gave nothing to the game. sorry.

[Espeonage]

Has anyone seen the power rangers sticker set on fb chat bc that is gold.

[Espeonage]

We'll resist the urge to PL Ika tommorow. I am going to straight up murder Espeonage, Tere, or Quaroth tommorow, Bcus one of those mofos is scum.

hint: it's quar

[Espeonage]

omfg ily

Can we have a troll townbloc?

We need Zelink in this game.

[Espeonage]

actually laughing

[Espeonage]

Cool @Sal - not seen this role before and no description on the wiki - so you get to write a post each night?

@ everyone Do you think the other mason should claim? I'm erring to yes.

My thought is that the mason should either claim now, or put off claiming for as long as possible. Because tonights night kill is pretty much set in.

Now to thoughts.

I was hoping to pull a shot by my play but I didn't which sucks. But I guess I went a bit too far and might have been a bit to abstract for the playerlist, which is my own fault.

Two things I want to talk about is firstly that the St. Const kill makes no sense to me as coming from anyone without actual setup knowledge because he was very town. And two that there is a wealth of info I want to retrospectively look at from yesterday in regards to how people reacted to my posting shift. I'll work through that over the next few days.

For now, Quar is very likely scum and something about Nero seems off. I will probably vote for one of them when I get around to voting.

[Espeonage]

Ok I can do this everyday, even if I die.

So Ill give updates and whatnot.

I want PM, he should flip scum. When he does we lynch WW and pressure Nero, because theres a possible link between PM and Nero.

Espe should die soon too, Ill let you know.

explain

[Espeonage]

Honestly, if the other mason doesn't claim now, it just gives scum an easy fake claim 1v1 situation later, and we have a chance at lynching a confirmed townie rather than it getting NK'd.

^ this.

Scum never want a 1v1 unless it already lylo. That is a terrible reason.

[Espeonage]

No one's on Boon. We're voting Kaboose. I tracker her to St Con last night.

VOTE: Kaboose

Has he claimed yet?

That's fake. Boon already claimed the mason. He just is mad at Kaboose.

[Espeonage]

I think the most notable things to come from my pace change that I can see on first look is that Dess takes it very well and is happy to let it fly for the moment and work it out later which is a very town way of looking at it. I feel like scum would be pressures to jump around. Not to be confused with the gradual drop in trust that foxx had.

Quar was jumping around, whch I've already touched on and part of why I swapped stances on him part way through day 1.

So happy to put them in my town and scum pool respectively.

[Espeonage]

Boon is probably town. We should lynch ika?

yes and no

[Espeonage]

bc Ika is v town

[Espeonage]

Am I voting Boon?

Miller claims need to always die

^ this. Should claimed out of the gate, Boon.

VOTE: Boon

Already am

Ok look, that is good and all, however you are missing that he is also a claimed mason.

With a different partner

to the already revealed trio.

Which completely changes things.

I rly want to lynch Kaboose today. He said he'd be cleared or something to that effect today and he rly isn't.

Vote: Kaboose

[Espeonage]

It's not a counterclaim when it was his first post of the game. OMFG.

[Espeonage]

Well atm it's an IC, a set of two masons and a set of three masons.

Which makes a lot of sense if the one off kilter role is a single scum role or if certain players are confirmed to others but not vice versa. It's thematic.

Remember that IC is weaker than Cop, 2 masons is about = to a cop in a mini and weaker in a large and that 3 masons is about = to a cop in a large.

If there is minimal shenanigans then it still seems p okay.

[Espeonage]

According to the guidelines provided there is nothing stopping a mod from running two mafia, 10 masons, 1 VT, apart from it being an auto win for town.