Mafia 61: No Theme - Game over!

[Mastermind of Sin]

I would suggest that no one respond to any claims until everyone has claimed.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Scum are more likely to slip up and have inconsistencies in their claims if we don't say anything about the current claims before them.

[Mastermind of Sin]

By the way, are we doing this popcorn style? If so, Lowell needs to choose who should claim next.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Scum are more likely to slip up and have inconsistencies in their claims if we don't say anything about the current claims before them.

ok, that makes sense.
And i suspect that 'popcorn style' is a lot less fun than it sounds.
i think CTD should claim next.

It's not about whether it's fun or not. It's just establishing an order for claims that everyone can agree on, because it's not created entirely by scum.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Indeed.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Sure. I'm an FBI Agent. So, not quite a cop, but close. Do you want me to claim nightchoices now, or later?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Never doubted their existence, merely the kill method, since only killing once in 5 days doesn't make much sense. Haven't found 'em, yet, though.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Yes, I did. I was trying not to be obvious about it, though.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Wow, I totally missed him saying that, but I was trying to follow my own advice anyways.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'm having trouble selling 2 12-page games, so it's gonna suck for you.

I'd like to wait for Braze. I think it's more likely he is scum than the other two, so I want him to claim first.

[Mastermind of Sin]

ok, cya theo! Have fun on your vacation or whatever.

I hope we can get Braze replaced soon.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I want some news from the mod about BGM's status (replacing or otherwise) before we move on.

[Mastermind of Sin]

*so tempted to quote Jalyn without additional text*

[Mastermind of Sin]

*so tempted to quote Jalyn without additional text*

[Mastermind of Sin]

*bump* How's the replacement for Braze looking? Are there any dead people without information?

[Mastermind of Sin]

I hope so.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Jalyn is claiming. CTD needs to pay attention.

[Mastermind of Sin]

No one else comment on the townie claims until we hear from everyone who has claimed townie. I would like the other townies to confirm whether or not their role pm is as Jalyn says or not. Anyone who is not a townie should be able to understand why I'm doing this, and should not interfere. Of course, that doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss anything while we wait.

[Mastermind of Sin]

scotmany, don't worry. I already know whether or not Jalyn is telling the truth. I'm waiting to see who else agrees/disagrees with what Jalyn said. Lowell has already said his piece, but we need to see what theopor says.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Here's what I've been getting at:

Here is a sample of the vanilla townie PM:

You are a townsperson. You win when all non-town players are dead. You have no night choices to make.

We already know what the role pm says, duh!

Vote: Lowell

[Mastermind of Sin]

To begin with, SV's claim bothers me for reasons stated when she first made her claim. I'll have to go back and look up the specifics, as I have forgotten them, but I remember thinking her claim was bullshit.

CTD's claim also bothers me. If he is a tracker, that means we have two of them (Skruffs was also a Tracker), and while having two criminologists was believeable, the same does not hold true for Tracker, which is a much stronger role.

There are obvious consistency problems with Lowell's claim, which makes him the play for today. I was hoping to catch more than one scum with that, which is why I said we shouldn't discuss any of the claims until after the mass claim was over.

After that, Theo and Jalyn *could* be lying, but at least their claims check out.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Oh yea, I forgot scotmany's claim. I'm pretty sure scotmany is scum or the SK, that survivor claim rings false to me. Also, it would explain why there was only one SK kill, since the players that had that role have never been active. Although, the fact that he just defended Lowell makes me think they could be scumbuddies.

[Mastermind of Sin]

*bump*

[Mastermind of Sin]

CTD, do you believe that, if I was the SK, I would purposefully hold back my kills for all but one night? How does that benefit me?

[Mastermind of Sin]

I wasn't asked to reveal them yet, although I have no problem doing so. I hardly see how making one post since CTD claimed his night choices is "avoiding" the topic. Needless to say (although apparently that's not true), I've been busy all day and unable to post in pretty much any of my games, much less this one.

Night 1 - Battle Mage (He and I always think the other is scum, so I wanted some confirmation)
Night 2 - Rand Althor (Needed to make sure the claimed criminologist wasn't an SK)
Night 3 - Theopor (Kept trying to paint Rand as probable scum, so I wondered if he had a hidden agenda. I felt it was possible that he was planning on a vig claim (especially since it had been mentioned earlier that he might be a vig, even though he eventually denied it), and Rand's results would be able to prove him wrong)
Night 4 - TCS (for obvious reasons, I suspected him of being the SK with his vig claim that seemed shady at the time)

[Mastermind of Sin]

My "don't worry" post was in response to this:

I don't know if I am allowed to do this or not, but I can tell you if jayln is telling the truth from my first role. Let me know if I should.

As for you being the one who asked for people to reveal night choices in general, I pretty much didn't see that post at the time, since I made my post while looking at the page before that. Also, I don't particularly trust you, so you asking me to claim isn't really important to me.

However, now that you reminded me about it *after* the townie claim was cleared up, I saw no reason not to claim anyway, even though no one else asked for it.

What this all boils down to, though, is that I just didn't think about claiming the rest, since my mind was on other peoples' claims and not on the fact that I was withholding my choices. It wasn't a deliberate action.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I have access again. Thanks to SSF for posting for me. That was weird, but it works now for some reason.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Due to the fact that I feel they are both scum, I might as well advance the day a bit by an

Unvote, Vote: scotmany12

. It'd be real nice if y'all joined me in this.

[Mastermind of Sin]

*shrug*

If more people actually come around the thread and vote Lowell over Scot, I'm more than willing to jump back, but since I believe them both to be lying scum, I'd rather put my vote where it gets us closer to a lynch, and that's on Scot right now.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Unvote, Vote: Lowell

Theopor, what has Seol said on this page that makes you think him scummy? I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary.

[Mastermind of Sin]

CTD, it's fairly obvious that if you were scum you could have had Tracker as a safe claim, same as Lalm had for Criminologist. Since we already have a highly probable precedent, I have no problem believing it. CTD, any scum claiming a power role is willing to make themselves a target for the opposing scum-faction. It's never been a big deal for anyone before (that I've heard of), so I don't really see that factoring into anything.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Actually, I feel that it was more the way the claims were handled on D1 and Lalm's specific actions that gave him away as scum, not the safe claim itself.

[Mastermind of Sin]

BM, what do you think of Lowell's last post? I could see how he might've made that mistake, but I would feel really dumb if he was scum and got away with a lame excuse like that.

*shrug* Like I've said, I'll hammer either one of them. It's hard to go wrong when you've found 2 scum.

[Mastermind of Sin]

My internet is screwy, don't expect much in the way of posting until we get new internet soon.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Actually, BM, I don't really consider Lowell to be an IC. Sure, he's been around, but I've never seen him really give much effort into a decent amount of games. He's been pretty inactive and not paying attention in all his games recently, so it's a definite possibility that he did not pay attention.

Unvote, Vote: scotmany

TCS, Jalyn, with me!

[Mastermind of Sin]

If Scotmany is not the SK, that leaves me five possibilities:

CTD
Jalyn
Lowell
Seol
BM2

TCS said he was thinking about killing CTD tonight, so it would not make sense for me to waste my target on him.

Therefore, if I live through the night, we should have the SK narrowed down to three people, or I will have found the SK. That's pretty good odds, considering that two of them (not counting CTD) have role claims that smell very much like bullshit, so even if they aren't the SK, they are likely to be mafia.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Stole the words out of my mouth. I guess we can't expect *much* from the middle of a 96 page reread, but he was pretty non-contributing altogether.

[Mastermind of Sin]

well i'm still alive. lol
As is my protection target.

BM

Erm...obviously your protection target is still alive, because if you had protected one of the dead people, they wouldn't be dead...

[Mastermind of Sin]

By the way, guess what? Seol is not the SK. haha.

[Mastermind of Sin]

To be fair, Rand was an investigative role for proving TCS innocent, but not useful after that. However, I agree that Skruffs and LFBProd were more important to protect. I didn't trust CTD's claim, so I probably wouldn't have protected him either, to be honest.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Actually, BM, I believe that the theory I presented earlier is probably the most accurate explanation for why the SK hasn't killed every night, and also the reason why we were able to figure out Scot was the SK. There is always the possibility of a protect, block, or double-kill (Skruffs), but inactivity seems to be the best answer, now that we know for sure that that role was the SK.

Also, it would explain why there was only one SK kill, since the players that had that role have never been active.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Wow, I hate this setup so much. Patrick can tell you how many times I complained to him about the number of power roles. 5 person mafia out of 23, plus 1 SK. That's just over 25% of the game as scum (most balanced games have about 30%, unless there are screwy mechanics). Throw in the fact that only 4 of the other 17 had no abilities, and we were screwed from the beginning. Kison played a great game, considering that Lalm and Lowell are fucking retarded. Lowell didn't even try to win the game, and I am banning him from any game that I mod from now on. acfan's thing was completely unplanned. Kison and I decided we would bus him, but we didn't tell him. Skruffs set me up, and I spiked it. Little did I know that acfan would receive it that way. People kept saying that I could have planned this with acfan, but that's retarded. The person that started the entire fake cop thing was

Skruffs

, a protown tracker. Anyway, yea. This setup was bonkers. We didn't have a chance, and all the power roles forced me to sacrifice my teammates (although I didn't know Lalm was my teammate D1, keeping with my tradition of forgetting my scumbuddies). If I hadn't been quicklynched, I was going to try and confuse things a bit, but I didn't even know night was over, because we usually have like 72 hour nights.

I'm not going to give kudos to any of the protown players, because the massive amounts of power roles saved the game for you. I had to worry about misdirecting the doc in order to kill the gunsmith, while hoping that the vig didn't kill me, and then also hope that the roleblocker and tracker didn't find me either. And that was just the last few days of the game.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I killed a power role every single night (N2 we tried to kill Skruffs and failed), and we still lost. This shows how ridiculous the setup was. We had nearly flawless nightkills and lost the game with 3 power roles alive.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Skruffs, I had no choice but to bus my partners. Lalm I didn't really have a hand in lynching, other than placing a vote. Acfan exploded on his own, so I finished it off. Kison got caught by a power role, and Lowell hadn't done shit all game, so I'm surprised I even managed to get scotmany lynched before Lowell.

[Mastermind of Sin]

By the way, Skruffs gets my kudos. He did actually play well, that's why I killed him.