Large Normal 199: L'Hôtel Pleuvoir (Fin)

[Alisae]

No I didn't claim SK.

[Alisae]

Me claiming SK is what I would like to call a lie.

[Alisae]

Wait Moz, you are not fighting against this wagon at all?

[Alisae]

Also Elbrin, I think I understand the comparison that Cabd is trying to make between this game and piegirl's SK game that he linked now that I'm skimming Piegirls ISO in that game.

[Alisae]

howso?

[Alisae]

He may be town to you, but a match of russian roulette may prove you wrong

[Alisae]

Nos is pushing me as an SK last time I remember.

[Alisae]

/me talks

[Alisae]

Take Jerusalem?
Deus Vult?

[Alisae]

Moz why not defending yourself from the people who want to lynch you?

[Alisae]

Moz there are cases on you. I remember Pine stating his, and his case makes sense to me but it can also be applied to Nos.
Cabd where would you rather look today?

[Alisae]

If a mason tried to recruit me then that would basicly say if I was a vig or and SK.
Or is this wrong as all hell.

[Alisae]

Elbrin I like this part to describe me better besides the SK part.:

All I know right now is that you think Alisae is a loli-loving normie-murdering SK

[Alisae]

So please address me as a loli-loving normie-murdering Vig thank you.

[Alisae]

This state of apathy is disgusting.
Syr not showing up yet is also depressing. If he get's replaced that would be interesting, but also then I don't get to talk to Syr about that which would make me really sad.

[Alisae]

Moz why do you think Sonia is scummy again?

[Alisae]

To be fair Sonia, I consider you a normie and all normie scum must be shot.

[Alisae]

that means I wanna vig you you normie scum
Tho I'm somewhat liking what I'm getting out of this.

[Alisae]

Are you saying you like Apathy or that we aren't in a state of apathy?

[Alisae]

that means I wanna vig you you normie scum
Tho I'm somewhat liking what I'm getting out of this.

I hope you mean this as a joke.

And if this wasn't?

[Alisae]

Yeah, you're a loli. To be honest I thought you were a loli the whole time.
I never wanted to shoot you

[Alisae]

DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT A LOLI IS???????????????

OF COURSE I DO!
IT'S THE THING THAT'S MY AVI!
I CAN ALSO LIST MANY MORE EXAMPLES OF LOLIS

[Alisae]

Loli in this case means I don't wanna shoot you. If you're a loli, that's a good thing. Because I love lolis.
AKA it means your town.

[Alisae]

Huh that's interesting Moz wasn't on the Lapsa wagon from what I remember

[Alisae]

Are you two sure you just aren't getting into a TvT?

[Alisae]

VOTE: Mozamis
L-1.
Claim.

[Alisae]

Aww my fake attempt at an L-1 didn't work ;~;

[Alisae]

And the correct term to describe me is loli-lovin normie-hatin
I will NOT shoot lolis.

[Alisae]

Cabd who are your scumreads currnetly?

[Alisae]

Hey, remember the Nos wagon D1? Anything valuable we could gain from looking at that?

[Alisae]

I don't see what Syr was trying to get out of starting the flashwagon. Reaction testing?

[Alisae]

Lol Moz you never were at L-1. You're currently sitting at L-2.

[Alisae]

The age of consent in most of the other countries in the world is either 13 or 14.

[Alisae]

I don't like moz. Thats why my vote is on them.

[Alisae]

Aww my fake attempt at an L-1 didn't work ;~;

Hang on
Why would you do this on purpose?

Reaction Test.

[Alisae]

To find out if they are scum or not.

[Alisae]

Well Moz's reply tells me that they really aren't paying attention to the game.
Honestly the reaction I was expecting was for them to double check and correct me on that they aren't at L-1.
But I don't like the fact they like the fact that the game is in a state of apathy.

[Alisae]

Nero if that vote is offical, it looks very sheepy

[Alisae]

Actually nah, thats the wrong word. Moreso opportunistic

[Alisae]

just stating my observation.

[Alisae]

We're both the the clearest town players here, along with Elbirn,

Srsly did I get day-copped while I wasn't looking?

Moz did you not have me as scum earlier? Explain.

Mozamis and Tywin have nigh identical reads. It's kinda awkward but I'm not sure what to make of it.

My tin foil hat is telling me really bad things about all 3 of you right now actually but I'm scared of tywin yelling at me

Elbrin it's okay...I support you.
With that said, my ears are listening.
And why the fuck do you care about what Tywin thinks?

[Alisae]

None here.

Dear Santa, I want to vig the following people
Tywin
Kyouko
Cabd

[Alisae]

I know. I was doing that for reactions. I never wanted to shoot him.

[Alisae]

Plus I would get lynched if I shot him. And as a vig, I really do not want to get lynched.

[Alisae]

Nos is actually a good suggestion, tho I know who I'm shooting tonight.

[Alisae]

Yeah I sorta figured that out.

[Alisae]

Nero nos tywin

Yeah this is what I'm thinking.
Tho I'm paranoid. I dunno who to trust if moz flips town.
Hell, I have no idea who the fuck to trust in general besides myself.

[Alisae]

Can we lynch Tywin. I have a feeling he has a BP.
Also I feel a LOT better about Titus then I did. End of Day 2 I was tempted to shoot her and was super conflicted.

[Alisae]

Can we lynch Tywin. I have a feeling he has a BP.
Also I feel a LOT better about Titus then I did. End of Day 2 I was tempted to shoot her and was super conflicted.

Forgot something in this post
VOTE: Tywin Lannister

[Alisae]

Yes I did.

[Alisae]

Last minute choice I switched from Tywin to Nos because I thought Tywin was trying to bait me into using a shot on him because he had a BP.

[Alisae]

Also I think I see why Cabd got shot.

[Alisae]

Besides the conf town part and good analysis.

[Alisae]

So why do you think he got shot?

Try to frame it on me.
Try to lynch me.
Ya know, it's really satisfying to lynch the strongest threat to the scumteam, is it not?

[Alisae]

None here.

Dear Santa, I want to vig the following people
Tywin
Kyouko
Cabd

This shows that I bluffed and considered Cabd as a shot (never really did but still)

[Alisae]

And Kyouko, it wouldn't matter if they thought I was SK or Vig. They know I am either one of those (The correct answer is Vig). So as long as I was lynched, they killed the strongest threat to their scum team. No?

[Alisae]

Right, but town won't lynch you so why bother trying to frame you?

Titus and Cabd we're trying to leash me, so if they kill one of the people who tried to leash me, they would hope that I shot town (In this case, probably Tywin) so that way they can call me a dirty liar and lynch me.

Which now that I think about it, may actually clear Tywin...
UNVOTE:

[Alisae]

Oh yeah Cloudie...Forgot about him to be honest...

Yeah I dunno, I'm conflicted. Maybe scum wanted me to shoot Tywin because he had a BP and he was scum so I would waste my shot on him and it would look like I shot Cabd instead? Maybe?
VOTE: Tywin Lannister

[Alisae]

~Bah post~
and I actually fucking read up to contribute today
gg

Poor dead child trying to stay relevant.

[Alisae]

We can do Nero tomorrow, or

Alisae can do him tonight

. He's still a null read based on lurking, while Tywin is superobvscum. If we can lynch him today, that puts us within striking distance of a Town win.

Kaaaaaay.

[Alisae]

Why do I get the feeling that you want to be shot?

[Alisae]

Actually, I wanna do this.

VOTE: Tywin

All hail the gods of VCA and truth.

If Tywin is mason, I will not be happy.

I'm going to give Tywin a chance to talk before jumping on his ass
VOTE: Nero

[Alisae]

Do I have to hammer Tywin, yes or no?

[Alisae]

Do I have to hammer Tywin, yes or no?

No.

UNVOTE: to prevent stupid shit from happening.

We hammer after we've all gotten time to discuss.

Thought so. Whoever would have said yes and if Tywin flipped town would have got rekt.

[Alisae]

Also I really don't like Kyouko. Like I don't like how fucking easily he picked up those crumbs. Honestly I never did like Kyouko.

[Alisae]

Alisae, what's your vig letter to Santa?

Dear Santa, I want to vig the following people:
Nero
Kyouko
Gamma

[Alisae]

I play this game with a Wii Remote. Git Gud.

[Alisae]

What I can say is that keep this mindset and go your own way. Don't follow what these people tell you all the time, because they legitimately don't know how to play any better than you do. If it comes down to Lylo, don't sheep their votes. Think for yourself and go from there. You're a much stronger player than you've given yourself credit for, and legitimately the only reason town hasn't lost yet. Don't forget that.

The fact that we also got 2 maf down is also kinda cool and sorta what is making town win ya know...

[Alisae]

Also I really don't like Kyouko. Like I don't like how fucking easily he picked up those crumbs. Honestly I never did like Kyouko.

Wowee, I spotted some crumbs, it's almost like I'm paying attention to what I'm reading

I KNOW RIGHT!
LOOK
AT
ME
I'M
SO
TOWN

[Alisae]

Tywin to be fair, I don't remember Lapsa having any reads.
Uzi maybe...

I remember that I voted Moz because I never liked how they responded to the wagon...OH WAIT Tywin you're right, they legit couldn't.

[Alisae]

Also, can we lynch this:
VOTE: SSBM_Kyouko

Also for a moment I thought Kyouko said he thought he knew Nos' alignment
Also I really like how he was nulltown reading Nos most of day 1. I thought it was cute.
Akarin didn't die for this shit.

[Alisae]

I would really like to lynch scum for once before I die.

[Alisae]

Either way, I'm conflicted about Tywin. I'm not sure on him atm. I'm much more sure on Kyouko.

[Alisae]

It's really interesting that NOW, when I'm calling you scum, NOW you have a Magik brand new scumread on me. Wew lad well done *claps*

Remember the newbie that you replaced in with me and Tywin and remember how that whole game me and Tywin were scumreading each other and whenever I got on his ass he basicly came up with a brand new scumread on me? Good times.

[Alisae]

Either way, I'm conflicted about Tywin. I'm not sure on him atm. I'm much more sure on Kyouko.

Issue is, Tywin's pushed himself into a level of WIFOM that's just harmful for the town at large.

I have 2 reasons why I would vote Tywin.
A. He has a BP.
B. Moral reasons because I hate how he's playing atm. Quite frankly it's shitty.

[Alisae]

Hey! Ya wanna know a scum tactic. This is a pro how-to turtorial on this amazing scum tactic!

Step 1. You find someone who doesn't handle pressure well.
Step 2. You provoke them some more.
Step 3. ???
Step 4. Profit.

[Alisae]

You wanna know another brilliant idea? Let's end the day before our Syr replacement comes in and talks.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Tywin Lannister
Putting you out of your misery.
You're scum. If you felt that way you would have replaced out by now.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Tywin Lannister
Putting you out of your misery.
You're scum. If you felt that way you would have replaced out by now.

I'm not a quitter, and nope, I'm town. That's hammer though. Pay attention to my three scum reads.

My Newbie with you says otherwise
Luckily you got your cool head together

[Alisae]

So that you can kill me tonight! NAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. I shouldn't be alive for tomorrow. I'm surprised I'm still alive today.

[Alisae]

VOTE: SSBM_Kyouko

I really need to hear from Syr's replacement.
Until then, I'm not lynching Tywin.
I'm dead set on this.

[Alisae]

scumteam are likely to kill gerry/titus tonight imo. Gerry because mason and Titus because she's the one guiding your shots. They would rather you be shooting for yourself because frankly Titus has better judgment than you and they need you to kill town to swing the game back in their favor

pedit: Gamma as a shot or as a wagon?

Um, if I was scum I would really like to tell the vig who to shoot so they don't shoot my scumteam.
Based on your logic you should be trying to lynch Pine atm.

[Alisae]

Tywin, why haven't you given me your vote?

[Alisae]

nah it's 6 to hammer Tywin, you're alive.
And like you did. Voting Kyouko. Not voting me. Voting me is stupid and sorta what got Nos shot.

[Alisae]

Still enjoying the summer breeze (alive)

Pine

Nero Cain

gerryoat

Gamma Emerald
Aj The Epic

xSoniaNevermindx

ssbm_Kyouko

Alisae

Tywin Lannister

Elbirn

Titus

UNVOTE:

OMGAWD IS THIS A TR ON PINE AND TITUS?

[Alisae]

Wait Tywin wagon is a thing still?
Lol
VOTE: SSBM

Thanks I like Dangaropa as well.

[Alisae]

Also I want Nero to get in here and talk to me.

[Alisae]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... n_Detector

[Alisae]

Gerry if you didn't know, hi, I'm your friendly vig.
Syr was like "I'm gonna vig you" as a joke and I claimed cuz panic.

[Alisae]

hi friendly vig nice shot, i think?

Glad chu liked it.

[Alisae]

cool. i say you shoot again tonight alisae

I don't have any restrictions so I don't see why not

[Alisae]

Why in the fuck is Tywin still cluttering this thread?

Doublevote Tywin

Kbai.

So I was TRing pine but if this is hammer consider that rescinded

You already fucked up when you said you were TRing Pine and then saying "Scum want the vig to shoot on their own free will"

[Alisae]

Alisae is probably SK, but we're letting her live for now because she's shooting scum and is partially leashed

Nos tried to push me d2 as SK.
He got shot.
He was scum.

[Alisae]

@Alisae - please explain what you mean by that, I don't understand the point you're trying to get across. Well, I understand you think I'm scum, I just don't see how you got from A to B there.

Regarding Vig/SK leashing - Unless there is evidence to suggest otherwise, Alisae is either SK or Vig. IMO, neither leashing nor killing the SK/Vig out of hand is pro-Town. SK/Vig is arguably the biggest threat to the scumteam, until late game. She shouldn't make it to endgame, but neither do we end her shots. That said, leashing SK/Vig does not work in my experience. Yes, it essentially gives us two lynches, but it also allows scum to influence a second NK. Vig/SK, regardless of their own alignment, is anti-scum, and will shoot for their scum suspects. In short, fire away, Alisae. Know that your choices will be judged, and if you start shooting obvTown, you'll get lynched right away.

scumteam are likely to kill gerry/titus tonight imo. Gerry because mason and Titus because she's the one guiding your shots. They would rather you be shooting for yourself because frankly Titus has better judgment than you and they need you to kill town to swing the game back in their favor

Still enjoying the summer breeze (alive)

Pine

Nero Cain

gerryoat

Gamma Emerald
Aj The Epic

xSoniaNevermindx

ssbm_Kyouko

Alisae

Tywin Lannister

Elbirn

Titus

UNVOTE:

OMGAWD IS THIS A TR ON PINE AND TITUS?

Understand what I am saying now?

[Alisae]

Well, I do think your scum along with Kyouko. You two both being scum actually kinda makes sense to me.

And I wasn't trying to intimidate you. Because if I was, that was a shitty attempt at doing so as you just pointed out

[Alisae]

Plus, I'm not intimidating...Unless your scum. Then fear me.
Hear me Rawr.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Pine
OMGUS You're so cute
You're vote is so "Justified" that it's bullshit!
You wanna know who is a threat to me? Scum. Like you.
BTW you lined up lynches.

Kyouko there was a post where you said that you thought Pine was defending you. Which I also thought was interesting.
Your recent vote on Pine is interesting.

Nos tried to push me hard as SK. Thats what gave him away.
Pine thought I was SK but he never pushed it until now, so this is cute.
And you're scum because you basicly say that scum want me to have free will, when you TR Pine and Pine said that exact samething.

[Alisae]

Titus has better judgement then me? Eh, probably, not argueing with you on that. But it's a matter of do I trust her as town or not. Recently I felt shakey about it because I thought Titus was making me shoot all town.
True on the 2nd point.
key word in the 3rd point is might.
Overall this whole point is a slippery slope.

[Alisae]

Also Pine I get the distinct feeling that you're attempted to try to plant some paranoia in the town.

[Alisae]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH OKAY.
Yeah, I still don't like that, you could have manipulated it a bit so that scum was hidden.

[Alisae]

Titus it's not just that tho. In fact I don't even care about that.
All this SK shit is just making me think that it's just scum trying to plant paranoia in the town.
And I feel like he's done even before D3.

[Alisae]

Titus then why would town say this?

I won't do anything stupid Pine.
Tho should I keep my potential targets to myself or share them?

Keep them to yourself. If scum have a roleblocker, they'll let you shoot if you're aiming for Town until you're aiming for scum, then roleblock you.

[Alisae]

Yes. Pine is town. Scum would not be that dumb.

I Can WIFOM this all fucking day.

[Alisae]

This shit is also weird between both Kyouko and Pine.

I've had Kyouko pinned as scum since yesterday. I don't see this town motivation everyone else is talking about from that slot, it all looks calculated at best.

I don't think "everyone else" (whoever that means) is even saying I have town motivation. I do, of course, but I don't think anyone has really been rushing to my defense (especially D1) except Pine now. Even Titus was on me earlier I think and I feel like she was one of the few to TR me D1. What about my play looks calculated to you?

Let's be clear, guy, I am not defending you. I don't have a Townread on you. I just don't have a scumread on you, and don't grok the cases of the people voting you. There's a world of difference between them.

If a good case appears, I'm entirely fine adding you to the scumpile. It's super easy in a game where this many Townreads, as the ratio of scum to Town in my nullpile is a lot higher than normal. The simple fact that a lot of people are SRing you, even if they don't really know why, isn't sunshine and daisies for you. Persons are smart, people as a whole are stupid, but small groups can sometimes have good instincts.

Essentially the same speech could be given for Nosferatu. Can someone give me a case on him that doesn't use the word "lurk" or any conjugation thereof?

[Alisae]

Kyouko tries to get Pine to buddy him.
Pine distances himself away from Kyouko.

[Alisae]

Okay Nero. I won't ask you a question. Imput now.

[Alisae]

or are you reading. If you're reading continue to do so.

[Alisae]

Conclusion: Scum avoided Lapsa wagon because they thought he was traitor. Scum voted mozamis knowing he was town (duh). Players on mozamis but not on Lapsa are more suspicious. [Aj, Nero, Elbirn]

I would include Pine in there as well. It could be likely that he never saw the Traitor crumb since he was struggling to catch up most of day 1.

[Alisae]

Why?

I'm not in favor of a Tywin lynch anymore.
But I thought he was scum with BP trying to direct my kill at the time.

[Alisae]

One last thing on Pine I want to address

Bollocks, forgot the "Pine didnt know Cabd was joking about Masons thing", which seemed a pretty good town tell.
Pine back to town then I guess. Still, be good to get more from him.

Okay, ordinarily I just plain wouldn't comment on supposed Towntells regarding me, but I'm on an "educate new players" kick, and everything about this is terrible.

1) Mistaking the player list is NAI. It happens to be correct here, which is why I let it go, but if you'd said that about someone else I'd fight you on it. It is arguably evidence towards a read, but it's pretty weak sauce.

2) If someone Towntells on D1, they've Towntold. It doesn't get stale. It doesn't go away. If you make the decision that scum wouldn't do that, scum wouldn't do it. Period. That is, definitionally, the difference between a "tell" and a "read". A tell is a solid, reliable indicator. A read is a general feeling, which may change. All of this applies to scumtells, too. If someone slips and says something D1 that is irredeemably scummy, like not knowing that VTs are called "Adventurers" in this theme game, that doesn't get stale either. It doesn't matter that they acted Townish later.

End lesson. Continue to read me Town, as it is correct this game, just sharpen your game.

I don't like the bolded part. It's like he's asking for town cred.
It's not even taken into consideration that the towntell could have just been scum trying to towntell.

[Alisae]

Most of the traitor related things relating to Lapsa. If not all, probably most.

Traitor business sounds fun.

Certainly better than mason crap.

What is this responding to? It's not a Traitor crumb for your scumteam is it?

It is a traitor crumb for my scumteam.

oh yeah I thought I saw that one but it wasn't in my quote list. Are you going to give a serious answer to what 762, the traitor crumb in question, was in response to?

What makes you think it's not serious?

[Alisae]

All of which are irrelevant.

What my points on you or Lapsa's "Traitor" crumbs.

[Alisae]

Smells like discrediting? You literally stated "A lot of town weren't on Mozamis' lynch" of which constituted the one being lynched and an inactive.

Are you sure he's not refering to the people on other wagons?

[Alisae]

Scum have daychat. If it was a team decision to avoid lynching Lapsa it would have been made in the PT, which I'm sure is not nearly as hard to stay caught up on as this thread is.

Um...Okay this is awkward...Um...
I dunno how to respond to this...This just seems very awkward...
Is this a scumclaim? I genuinely can't tell.
HELP! I'M SO CONFUSED!

[Alisae]

Eww math.

[Alisae]

I'm conflicted about Tywin, I was less conflicted about you.
I'm definitely in line with you on thinking that Tywin is town.
Honestly Nero right now I'm moreso null reading you then scumreading you. Unbolded lynch mostly was the reason for a scumread.

[Alisae]

Unbolded lynch mostly was the reason for a scumread.

It wasn't my fault though. I clearly did not think it would count. Just an FYI. My current vote on SSBM is unbolded but it

IS

a serious vote. If Cephir is now counting unbolded votes I see no need to bold it.

THAT SHADETHROW THO

[Alisae]

Also Kyouko have you been townreading Gamma ANYWHERE before this?

I remember him townreading or nulltownreading Gamma somewhere in his ISO. Want me to dig up the posts for you?

[Alisae]

Unbolded lynch mostly was the reason for a scumread.

It wasn't my fault though. I clearly did not think it would count. Just an FYI. My current vote on SSBM is unbolded but it

IS

a serious vote. If Cephir is now counting unbolded votes I see no need to bold it.

THAT SHADETHROW THO

So are you back to null reading me?

You're fucking wierd and I don't know what to make of it.

[Alisae]

Whats weird?

If I knew I could articulate it.

[Alisae]

Unbolded lynch mostly was the reason for a scumread.

It wasn't my fault though. I clearly did not think it would count. Just an FYI. My current vote on SSBM is unbolded but it

IS

a serious vote. If Cephir is now counting unbolded votes I see no need to bold it.

THAT SHADETHROW THO

So are you back to null reading me?

Currently: Yes.

[Alisae]

Ignore that, thought there was a new post for some dumb reason.

[Alisae]

BTW Nero if you could do your reads eventually once you are fully caught up (assuming you are still catching up) that would be awesome! Mew.

[Alisae]

Dear Santa, I want to vig the following people and hopefully this will answer Nero's question
Pine
Kyouko
Gamma

Love, Alisae

[Alisae]

ty but real talk. We have a confirmed vig/SK so there is scum protection or I'd be shocked if they didn't. I think its entirely plausible that Cabd got a false positive on a mafia doc. One thing that does make me lean a little town on Titus is how SSBM is treating her but yeah...she's

ONLY

a POE town read for me and if she wants to get all pissy about it fine I don't care. I'm here to lynch scum not play nice with people.

Maf doc Titus heals Nos.

[Alisae]

alsjdlsakjdlsa

Now that I think about it, is this shit a cipher?

[Alisae]

If Kyouko were scum with moz, I assume he'd know what his scumbuddy was crumbing.

What if he does and he's just playing dumb?

[Alisae]

If Kyouko were scum with moz, I assume he'd know what his scumbuddy was crumbing.

What if he does and he's just playing dumb?

I don't think so.

Like, let's get into his head here: says he's scum with nos.

Nos seems to be clearly trying to crumb his actual role there with the "md" for "motion detector". It's a fine idea, to claim your actual role as scum. You know there won't be a town motion detector to cc. The crumbs give your claim credence. Good.

So the scumteam probably talked about this, or nos said "hey i'ma crumb my role" In their chat.

....so then scumbuddy-kyouko, knowing full well what nos was actually crumbing, has to make up a fake train of thought, that he thought him crumbing doctor.

? Like yeah I guess but it's a line of thought I'm not certain scum can think of, it's more likely a town-Kyouko without insider knowledge came to a different conclusion

Yes?

Or it's a bunch of WIFOM.
And plus, I think it would be a lot easier to pay attention to crumbs if you are told that someone is actually going to crumb.

[Alisae]

Also, I dunno why, but I feel like most of Kyouko's game has been "Hey look, I'm helping."

[Alisae]

" 2 + 2 is 4"

No it's 22.

And plus, I think it would be a lot easier to pay attention to crumbs if you are told that someone is actually going to crumb.

Also, I dunno why, but I feel like most of Kyouko's game has been "Hey look, I'm helping."

These are fine things to think though.

Then it rubbed off me the wrong way then.

[Alisae]

*tabs in*
*sees more SSBN posting and laughs*
*tabs out*

No.
Say shit before leaving.
Don't just vote Kyouko, actually take a stance on shit.

[Alisae]

*tabs in*
*sees more SSBN posting and laughs*
*tabs out*

No.
Say shit before leaving.
Don't just vote Kyouko, actually take a stance on shit.

Like reads would be cool.

[Alisae]

I did I placed my vote on who I think scum is
I don't feel like giving a giant case because I am busy packing for a trip that I leave for tomorrow
So you can deal with it

IRL > Game. Go Pack IMO.

And fine, maybe I was a bit harsh with my tone, but I do kinda feel like you were sorta just coasting by without imputing much.

[Alisae]

Gerry basicly the posts I nitpick at when it comes to Pine are still him being a bad townie or just me overeacting or legit or what?

[Alisae]

Dis gon b gud
/me eats popcorn

[Alisae]

Hey Elbrin, wheres the vote?

[Alisae]

Still waiting for the vote...

[Alisae]

Oh Tywin, you make me so conflicted. It's like you're good at this game.

[Alisae]

Tywin I know Gamma exists.

[Alisae]

Hey Titus! I like Tywin's words a lot more then yours currently.
Can you do me a favor and step back a bit on the mindset of "Tywin is scum." I really think you're just tunneling. If you're not, give me a reason why you aren't tunneling.

[Alisae]

Okay Titus. Fill in the blank. Tywin is scum because _____

[Alisae]

All things I see town!Tywin do.
Anything else?

[Alisae]

Liar is a bit of a stretch.
Let's just say he doesn't exactly read things carefully. A lot.

[Alisae]

Aj what are your reads currently?

[Alisae]

Especially on Tywin.

[Alisae]

Also the biggest reason why I thought Tywin could be scum is because he jumped on Sonia for the NK super early. But I don't remember seeing a vote to back that up.
And maybe calling me an SK for shooting Uzi but still

His behavoir moreso has to do with him as a player. It's survivalistic. At this point he's basicly lynch bait. I think he's even moreso self-aware lynchbait.
And Tywin doesn't drop things that easily even tho he's wrong. He's stubborn. He forgets somethings that may have happened, so he freaks out and calls them a liar.
And lastly if you SR read him he'll probably freak out and SR you too.
How can I put it, he's a Tsundere? maybe that's the right way to characterize him.

[Alisae]

Not to mention look at his wagon. Last time I checked it was You, Pine, Gamma, and himself. At it's peak it was Pine, Kyouko, Titus, Gamma, Elbrin.
Tywin didn't even get to self-hammer.
Also I think if Tywin was scum, he wouldn't ask if he wanted to self-hammer. I feel like he would just do it.

[Alisae]

What about Gamma and Pine?

[Alisae]

Also I think Pine was annoyed from the words coming out of Tywin's mouth so he faked a doublevote. I mean, look at this scumpost

Why in the fuck is Tywin still cluttering this thread?

Doublevote Tywin

Kbai.

Why the fuck is this nerd not lynched yet?
Not to mention the frustration coming out of this nerds mouth is so fake!

Titus, Tywin is town. He made some mistakes. At this point you're ignoring just about everyone else in the game because you want to prove your theory. What will a town Tywin flip tell you? What will a scum Tywin flip tell you?

I don't want to lynch town anymore. We keep on lynching town we won't win. Scum will either NK me because I'm vig and I'm listening to Tywin. They'll rather leave you alive to lead mislynches then kill you on the hopes to allow me to shoot on my own free will. Because I see scum Pine and scum Kyouko. You don't. You see scum AJ, Elbrin, and Nero and I don't see those.
This game is as good as solved if you stop tunneling Tywin and look at Pine. or Kyouko.
So I'm vigging either Kyouko, Pine, and Gamma. If you lynch me for shooting them, you're giving scum the win.

This day has proven that Tywin is obvtown and self-aware lynchbait and a frustrated townie and player overall. So why the fuck can't you not see that?

[Alisae]

Oh no! My post is AtE! I must be scum.
Yeah, I don't give a shit. I'm piratically on my hands and knees begging at this point.

[Alisae]

Also another small remark about Kyouko.
He apparently said that Titus' judgment is better then mine?
Maybe it's because I'm shooting scum and the rest of Titus' shots are town? Maybe it's because Titus is leading mislynches?
One of those two is probably the case.

[Alisae]

Also Titus, remember this?

I know right, it's almost like I'm bad at this game.

Stop using this as an excuse. You are not in the newbie queue. It garners no sympathy and

lets scum discredit you.

Seasoned players can tell newbtown from newb scum a good percentage of the time. Sometimes they cannot. Learn from where you went wrong. Adapt.

If I see this, "I suck", "I am new", one more time, I will Gibbs smack you.

Pick a read. Disagree with me on it. Go ahead.

Yeah, I was setting myself up to get discredited within the game by someone. Some scum had to do it. I Wonder what this below is:

All of which are irrelevant.

What my points on you or Lapsa's "Traitor" crumbs.

Both.

Is this discredditing?

I remember Kyouko discrediting my judgment saying that yours is overall better.

You still need more Titus, or are you convinced? Or are you just not gonna listen to me.

[Alisae]

Tywin so what if no one joins?

And no shit I'm going to be the NK, especially because I'm trying to be townleader now.

[Alisae]

Me being NK'd also kinda confirms my scumreads being Pine, Kyouko, and Gamma.
I just hope you can do the rest. I'm not gonna die without taking 2-3 scum with me.

[Alisae]

Your avatar even screams scum! Therefore you must be scum!

[Alisae]

How can't I argue that you're shit town and that I've not been on town wagons? They don't correlate, and the second is a fact. The first is just an opinion, but one that's been proven correct so far this game. I'd say you were scum if Cabd didn't investigate you. I didn't see his flip before, so I suppose that clears you. Due to that, it means you're shit town instead of scum.

Also, I told you all moz was town, but I'm not the Mason. Why didn't his Mason buddy defend him? Can anyone explain that to me? How idiotic is that? Wtf? Mason was the last thing I'd think moz would flip based on how many of you were on his wagon, without anyone actually defending him. That's just ridiculous.

I'll catch up when I get home and reevaluate, since I just read Kyouko isn't the lynch for some reason. I'll find out why later. He did defend Nos and claim he was town though, which I find odd.

I also want to check the end of D1 and see who was against the Nos wagon, which was the counter to Lapsa's. I'm willing to bet that someone pushed hard on Lapsa over Nos there, and that player is probably scum.

Also, gamma, lol! You're clearly scum, so I'm not worried. Lynch me and three town wagons won't look good for you bud. You aren't cleared like Titus.

I don't give a damn how bad I look. You are trying your hardest to take down Titus. Though here you say she's "cleared".
See the issue?

The fuck?
Tywin tried too take down Titus D1.
D2 she got confirmed town and Tywin TR read her from what I remember.

[Alisae]

Did I miss a hammer?

No and Tywin is not getting hammered today.
Sorry.

[Alisae]

Scum-doc seems a possibility.

Stop right there.
Scum doc heals nos.

[Alisae]

Besides that like the rest of the wall somewhat.

[Alisae]

BTW Elbrin come push Pine with me?

[Alisae]

BTW Elbrin come push Pine with me?

But he's town

But he's scum. He basicly got caught and everyone is dismissing him for bad town imo.

[Alisae]

Gamma, why should I believe you to be town?

[Alisae]

Hey Elbrin, how about you go into my ISO and read all my recent posts about Pine and then tell me whatchu think of him.

[Alisae]

Also my conversation about Lapsa's "Traitor" crumb is also a fun conversation to look at.

[Alisae]

Gamma, what are your reads currently?

[Alisae]

Then get them dated. I don't want outdated reads.

[Alisae]

and take your time too if you're still reading.

[Alisae]

Then get them dated. I don't want outdated reads.

I'm doing a system where I have 2 tabs: one for catching up with a larger amount of content and one for responding to things as I go.
This game is in the second section currently.

Then take your time.

[Alisae]

I also see a Gamma, Titus, Pine scumteam being a thing if Elbrin is right about his shit.
Think about it. Titus never agreed to the early wagon D1 but goes on it anyways becuase most of her townreads were on it. Sheep and a shitty attmempt at a bus.
Titus also refuses to think that Pine is scum.
But if this is true, then how Titus was cleared by a gunsmith is wierd unless the following is true: Cabd lied about clearing Titus.

[Alisae]

But saying Cabd lied about clearing Titus is probably conspiracy, so rip my tin foil hat.

[Alisae]

Hey Elbrin, how about you go into my ISO and read all my recent posts about Pine and then tell me whatchu think of him.

I have read them and was not convinced. Sorry friend. :/

Like it was all "pine is scum cuz he disregarded me and then he faked a double vote" and I'm all "those things aren't AI"

And the other posts where I quoted some of Pine's other posts including his link to Kyouko and my discussion with him about the traitor crumb?

Also it's not the doublevote itself, it's the tone that striked me as frustrated scum.

[Alisae]

I also see a Gamma, Titus, Pine scumteam being a thing if Elbrin is right about his shit.
Think about it. Titus never agreed to the early wagon D1 but goes on it anyways becuase most of her townreads were on it. Sheep and a shitty attmempt at a bus.
Titus also refuses to think that Pine is scum.
But if this is true, then how Titus was cleared by a gunsmith is wierd unless the following is true: Cabd lied about clearing Titus.

If Cabd didn't post that he investigated Titus and didn't find a gun, id agree with everything you just said. She's pinged my radar hard all game long, but the fact that Cabd didn't find anything on her makes the whole thing moot I think. Unless there is a loophole where scum this game don't all need to have a gun, then she can't be scum. If there was a loophole where she is scum with a knife or something over a gun, then it kind of eliminates the entire point of a gunsmith. I can't really see how that's possible, so I have to believe she's town even though it goes against my gut. If she does turn out to be scum post-game, then I'll be pissed lol. I just don't see it though. We can't gamble on some weird loophole working against a gunsmith here. The only killing role that 'should' be able to escape a positive investigation from a gunsmith is an SK (possibly killing with knives instead of gun), but even that isn't normal. I know Titus isn't the SK, so she has to be town.

Yep. Hence why the theory that Cabd lied about clearing Titus is most likely conspiracy.

[Alisae]

Yeah that's also true.
But the reason why I thought he could be lieing is if he did a huge as fuck reaction test and really looked at me or Syr and pretended that I was SK.
Either way it's probably shit theory.

[Alisae]

His double vote didn't strike me as fake. I mean I get the tone reading bit, I myself play largely by sense of smell, but I didn't see it there. It seemed a natural reaction? He thinks tywin is obvscum. He wants tywin dead like yesterday.

Replace the word "Obvscum" with "obvtown." And what do you get?
And BTW this is around the time where Tywin might have been saying somethings along the lines of Pine was scum? Don't exactly remember that too well, let me go check real quick.

[Alisae]

His double vote didn't strike me as fake. I mean I get the tone reading bit, I myself play largely by sense of smell, but I didn't see it there. It seemed a natural reaction? He thinks tywin is obvscum. He wants tywin dead like yesterday.

Replace the word "Obvscum" with "obvtown." And what do you get?
And BTW this is around the time where Tywin might have been saying somethings along the lines of Pine was scum? Don't exactly remember that too well, let me go check real quick.

I'm not really certain what you're driving at :/

Read Tywin's latest posts. They come off to me as I probably said earlier, frustrated, survivalistic, self-ware lynch bait and is a pretty obvious townie.

[Alisae]

If anyone here can someonewhat understand that, I think it's you.

[Alisae]

Tywin let me summarize Kyouko's scum game if this game is his scum game.
LAMIST

[Alisae]

Tywin has voted
Alisae, RVS
CK, confscum
Titus, def a wagon
Nos, confscum
Aj, def a wagon
ssbm, probs a wagon
Pine, maybe a wagon
That is six non-RVS votes though: definitely not all scum.

Huh?

[Alisae]

And?

[Alisae]

we talking about Tywin?

[Alisae]

oh wait, read that wrong, read that as you analyzing the Lapsa wagon.

[Alisae]

Where does Tywin say that exactly?

[Alisae]

Also you forgot the part where he voted himself.

[Alisae]

Doubt it. Don't remember tbh. Probably not tho. Why?

[Alisae]

So there are 4 traitor games in the archive and they're all 4 mafia total except one game where there were 5 mafia but in that game there were 21 players, a vengeful, and a lot of protective power (a doc, a non-consecutive doc, and a 3-shot commuter).

Should only be 2 scum left imo

, regardless of the presence of an SK (there were SKs in 3 of those games which had 21/19/21 players, no SK in the last game, a 16 slot game).

Gonna spec based on past games we're looking at 13 town vs 4 mafia, maybe 12v4v1 if town has a lot of protectives still lying in wait which seems unlikely given how many kills there have been.
2 scum dead leaves us with just 2 left so I think we should consider that when looking at possible scum

but if 2-3 of [Pine, Gamma, Elbirn] are scum

it wouldn't be unreasonable for town to sense something is wrong with the Lapsa wagon and vote for one of the scummy players on that wagon. It could be town was wrong about which of the players on that wagon was scummy, or it could be that Lapsa wasn't gaining enough traction so other members of the scumteam started a new wagon elsewhere (you), in which case you'd be town. If you flip, we know what happened. If you flip town, points to scum on your wagon. Speaking of, CK was last onto your wagon and he knows who the scumteam is. That points to you being town imo, which means scum thought lapsa wasn't gaining traction and started wagon on you, probably

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[Alisae]

I also see a Gamma, Titus, Pine scumteam being a thing if Elbrin is right about his shit.
Think about it. Titus never agreed to the early wagon D1 but goes on it anyways becuase most of her townreads were on it. Sheep and a shitty attmempt at a bus.
Titus also refuses to think that Pine is scum.
But if this is true, then how Titus was cleared by a gunsmith is wierd unless the following is true: Cabd lied about clearing Titus.

Stay out of my liquor cabinet.

I'm underaged.
I shouldn't be there in the first place.

[Alisae]

We could... you know, go with my D2 idea and lynch kyouko.

I do like Elbrin but Kyouko is a lynch I think everyone sorta has but no one's acting on.

I scumread Kyouko.
But I rather lynch pine and shoot Kyouko. But if people insist, I'll swap wagons.

[Alisae]

Hey Titus. If Kyouko is scum, what will that say about Pine?
Or would it be better to ask if Pine is scum, what would that say about Kyouko.

[Alisae]

Did I miss a hammer?

No and Tywin is not getting hammered today.
Sorry.

He is if I have anything to say about it.

I will settle for Nero or Elbrin if I must.

Alegory of the cave.

[Alisae]

Pine usn't scum.

At this point I doubt Tywin, Elbrin, or Nero are scum either.

[Alisae]

Well, then you shoot town and I will lynch you.

Says the person who's been wagonning town this whole game.

[Alisae]

Did I miss a hammer?

No and Tywin is not getting hammered today.
Sorry.

He is if I have anything to say about it.

I will settle for Nero or Elbrin if I must.

Scum Tywin self hammers instead of asking to self hammer.

[Alisae]

Scum Tywin self hammers instead of asking

for permission

to self hammer.

edit

[Alisae]

Titus still not convinced?

[Alisae]

Oh in that case I misinterpreted what Tywin said.
Titus, I think I accidentally emptied the liquor cabinet. Sorry about that.

Am I L1? Hammering myself. Good luck! I said this all game and nobody listened.

I see a hammer in this post.

[Alisae]

Did I miss a hammer?

No and Tywin is not getting hammered today.
Sorry.

He is if I have anything to say about it.

I will settle for Nero or Elbrin if I must.

OH LOOK

IT'S TITUS

STILL CALLING ME SCUM WITHOUT SAYING WHY AND REFUSING TO ENGAGE WITH GOD FUCKING DAMN ANYTHING THAT I FUCKING SAID. JUST KEEPS FLOATING THAT SOFTBALL OUT THERE

VOTE: Titus

I don't fucking care how, you're scum, my vote stays here until you're dead. If you're not scum you've played so piss poorly I legitimately don't want to play with you again. And I swear to god scum better shoot me tonight because I am so fucking tired of this shit show. Please, legitimately, please shoot me scum-team, do me a favor on a personal level and put a bullet in me

As much as I want to give you my support.
Your vote is retarded.

[Alisae]

AND I'M DOING IT ANYWAYS
VOTE: Titus
Wake up.

[Alisae]

Actually, I'm being retarded.
VOTE: SSBM_Kyouko
Hey Titus, you can't lynch me if I'm getting the NK now can you?

[Alisae]

Actually, I'm being retarded.
VOTE: SSBM_Kyouko
Hey Titus, you can't lynch me if I'm getting the NK now can you?

BTW Tywin. You're a smart person. I think you know what's happening if this flips town, don't you?

[Alisae]

Cabd, I am at Lapsa AJ TL as stronger scumreads. Alisae uneases me, same with Uzi. Gamma might be scum.

Cloudkicker solid town. Pine and Sonia lean town. Nero is likely town, not by his content, but by the posturing in thread. Mozamis weak town.

Nostramus, gun to head town.

Be my soundingboard? Cloud, please chime in too.

Peace out until tonight.

Posts made by nos by thus point:

quack
VOTE: Alisae

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Titus what the fuck I thought you were town
How could you do this to me?

OH LOOK

THIS AGAIN

Cabd's gunsmitth.