nah, it's code for no lynch.In post 2517, Pine wrote:Only if 'bust' is code for 'Alisae'.
Pedit: ACE - Answer, Cite, Explain.
nah, it's code for no lynch.In post 2517, Pine wrote:Only if 'bust' is code for 'Alisae'.
1) It benefits town more to vig whoever you wantIn post 2528, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Haven't gotten answers from Zach, Creature, Ircher, Pine, Human, Human, Texcat, Wraith, Slick, Debi, Echo, Dunn, or AA. Busy day tomorrow, see ya'll when my day is over.
In post 2431, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I'm not going to talk after this point because who I shoot is based on what ya'll come up with (with my authority being supreme but hey gotta satiate that ego).
The two questions in case you forget are:
Shooting Pool: All Alone, Zach, Slick, Echo, Debi, and Texcat
Question 1: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the most?
Question 2: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the least?
Whom do you propose we lynch instead and why? Also -- Extensive evidence and deep analysis ir your preference is Alisae.In post 2530, Pine wrote:Q1: Debi can go.In post 2528, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Haven't gotten answers from Zach, Creature, Ircher, Pine, Human, Human, Texcat, Wraith, Slick, Debi, Echo, Dunn, or AA. Busy day tomorrow, see ya'll when my day is over.
In post 2431, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I'm not going to talk after this point because who I shoot is based on what ya'll come up with (with my authority being supreme but hey gotta satiate that ego).
The two questions in case you forget are:
Shooting Pool: All Alone, Zach, Slick, Echo, Debi, and Texcat
Question 1: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the most?
Question 2: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the least?
Q2: I am increasingly feeling like Slick is an attempt at an easy mislynch. There was a really easy flashwagon on him earlier, and now he's a lazy compromise lynch? Yeah, that sounds like bait.
Fair point.In post 2548, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:@Titus: If I'm recalling correctly, Slick said he would be more active and have more to contribute Day 2. Why aren't you willing to hold him to that?
this is freakingIn post 2551, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Zach, Ircher, Wraith, Slick, Debi, Echo, AA. Ya'll the last ones not to put input, help a bro, thank you.
In post 2431, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I'm not going to talk after this point because who I shoot is based on what ya'll come up with (with my authority being supreme but hey gotta satiate that ego).
The two questions in case you forget are:
Shooting Pool: All Alone, Zach, Slick, Echo, Debi, and Texcat
Question 1: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the most?
Question 2: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the least?
Self-aware doesn't change the genuine feel of the posts. Again, Alisae feels like he is playing genuine whereas Dreal is just obfuscating, etc. on purpose to avoid getting metaread and to "trap" players into lynching him implying he is much more skilled than he trues to imitate.In post 2565, Wraith wrote:ALISAE HAS CALLED HIMSELF LYNCHBAIT ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS SINCE YOU LABELED HIM AS SUCH AND IN FACT HAS EXPRESSED SCUMREADS ON OTHER PLAYERS FOR "PUSHING LYNCHBAIT" (REFERRING TO HIMSELF)In post 2353, Ircher wrote:Since Nadroj's game finished --- The difference between drealm and alisae is that alisae feels genuine and the questionable stuff from his iso seem more subconscious.In post 2303, Wraith wrote:Continuing from page 72
Spoiler: Notes
Up to page 83 now.
Spoiler: Reads By Category
Drealm is however on purposely playing like Low-Hanging Fruit (he admittted such in fact).
Thats a huge difference.
Pointing out that multiball is a possibility and could screw this plan.In post 2575, Titus wrote:Then the evidence will fail to come in day 2. If there's no additional corpse, we get information about the roles scum have. Plus, we force scum to block the vig.In post 2573, Wraith wrote:I mean if most of the players agree this is the path we want to take then I'm fine lynching someone else today (IIn post 2572, Titus wrote:Slick is an existing candidate.
The Real Gin and Tonic is nit. He's a provable PR claim.wonder who?). Thing this fakeclaim by Gin seems incredibly obvious to me and I don't want to let it slide based on just a couple of people who buy into it.
If Gin is scum, then, we still have the data from the push and no extra kill will appear since scum vigs are blacklisted in normals.
no, there CANNOT be separate kill flavors.In post 2577, Wraith wrote:IIRC it is because Vigs in Normal games must have a kill flavor distinguishable from other factions.In post 2576, texcat wrote:Gin's role is not provable. You have to assume that this is single-ball, that there is no SK, that there isn't a vig that isn't counter-claiming, that there isn't a vig that isn't a x-shot. No matter how many kills there are overnight, it won't prove Gin's role.In post 2575, Titus wrote:Then the evidence will fail to come in day 2. If there's no additional corpse, we get information about the roles scum have. Plus, we force scum to block the vig.In post 2573, Wraith wrote:I mean if most of the players agree this is the path we want to take then I'm fine lynching someone else today (IIn post 2572, Titus wrote:Slick is an existing candidate.
The Real Gin and Tonic is nit. He's a provable PR claim.wonder who?). Thing this fakeclaim by Gin seems incredibly obvious to me and I don't want to let it slide based on just a couple of people who buy into it.
If Gin is scum, then, we still have the data from the push and no extra kill will appear since scum vigs are blacklisted in normals.
Dreal is a better lynch, but I may or may not join.In post 2590, Titus wrote:Dude, you people are being so dumb that the only slots you'll agree to lynch are obvious town. This is the largest d1 on record.
Vote SD or state why he is town.
In post 2594, Titus wrote:SD Echo and Ircher all likely scum.
Hrm interesting....In post 2595, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Agreed on ircher but it's just a hunch
I am not an "it".In post 2601, Titus wrote:With the rate of this thread and town "leaders" insisting on derping, no way to scumhunt it though.In post 2595, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Agreed on ircher but it's just a hunch
no, this is the ideal time to lynch lurkers before they WIFOM everyone at LyLo.In post 2629, drealmerz7 wrote:ohno, he's lurking in a 19p D1 shitfest!!
mustbescummmmm!!!!
this is not when you lynch lurkers
this is when you lynch alisae
tell me why alisae is town, titus, DO IT or they're scum!!!!
VOTE: No Lynch
i truly am.In post 2653, drealmerz7 wrote:noopIn post 2652, Ircher wrote: now you're flailing.
but you're obsessed with me!!!
lurkers are always a concern cuz they are never lynched.In post 2692, drealmerz7 wrote:all lurkers should be afforded that on D1 UNLESS THERE IS NO ONE SCUMMY AT ALL
but in a 19p
lurkers are not a concern on D1
fuck, in a 15p lurkers aren't a concern on D1
ohyay, zach
^In post 2693, All Alone wrote:"legit" is a grammatical intensifier in this contextIn post 2680, texcat wrote:I still think that Alisae admitted that she had been posting not what she legitimately thought. She says here that she legitimately thinks. That implies to me that her other posts were not what she legitimately thinks. I think that's a scum tell.
it doesn't imply his other thoughts are less legit, it just means he feels really strongly about this one
Thing is -- I'm not lynching a lurker.In post 2708, texcat wrote:In post 2704, Ircher wrote:no, this is the ideal time to lynch lurkers before they WIFOM everyone at LyLo.In post 2629, drealmerz7 wrote:ohno, he's lurking in a 19p D1 shitfest!!
mustbescummmmm!!!!
this is not when you lynch lurkers
this is when you lynch alisae
tell me why alisae is town, titus, DO IT or they're scum!!!!????????????????????????????? There are plenty of lurkers to choose from, including Slick as you previously pointed out.In post 2661, Ircher wrote:Elaborate.In post 2418, drealmerz7 wrote:or we can lynch alisae
much more likely scum than SD or 80% of the playerlist!
Alisae is trying. SD isn't. And I've yet to see the full scum motivations in Alisae's posts.
maybe, but I'm leaning towards no.In post 2714, Creature wrote:Can we not nolynch?
You try very hard to get people to lynch you.
Good.In post 2733, drealmerz7 wrote:drealmer's insanity is what you would gain
1) I already explined this, please pay attention.In post 2972, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I don't really do cases, more so reasons.In post 2965, Zachstralkita wrote:In post 2946, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Ali is probably town because of how hard Tex was pushing him. Going back to this.
VOTE: Ircher
What's your case on this?
- His poor push on Debi
- His reaction test he did earlier which felt pointless and a grab for town cred since he's yet to say what he learned from it
- His vote for Titus was poor as well. Solely voted her because of meta
- His sheeping Titus of a no lynch
I'm okay w/ this readslist except for the Uzi read. Uzi isn't scum imo.In post 2980, Wraith wrote:Took a look at Grey/texcat's ISOs. One big thing I can take away from it is that my townread on Creature is cemented and I'm reversing on Alisae. Grey in particular did a lot to try to undermine those two players (as well as rb) early on.
Deftown
rb
Creature
Titus
Likely Town
Alisae
HS
Dunnstral
Neutral/Murky
Zach
Ircher
AA
Kyouko
Debi
drealmerz
Scumreads
Uzi
Echo
Pine
Slick
?In post 2984, Creature wrote:Hey look, I think Wraith genuinely townslipped.
Wasn't the flip red?In post 2992, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I feel like this wagon is ignoring the info Gin's fakeclaim gave us. Working on a wallpost about the votes onto Gin's wagon atm.
He proposed shooting amongst 6 players and 5 of those players ended up voting him, making up half of his lynch wagon. We know texcat was scum and was within Gin's sights. We should be examining the others' reasons for voting Gin to see if we can uncover a blue mafia member there, and looking at how others reacted to tex being a target
In post 3005, Creature wrote:tf there are 9 scum, are there two scumteams of 4 members plus one SK?
Someimes he good though.In post 3026, rb wrote:I wonder why drealmerz even plays mafia when he just alternates between angry and bad
VOTE: KyoukoIn post 3045, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:In post 2420, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:So, out of All Alone, Zach, Slick, Echo, Debi or Texcat please tell me who'd you like me to shoot and who you think the shot would be most wasted on.
I'll take the best case I find and we'll work from there day 2 given the flips we get.
P.S. You won't convince me to shoot outside this pool of players.In post 2914, mhsmith0 wrote:Alisae isn't Red for this post imo, could still be Blue but I'm leaning more towards town on him. There was also a point when I called some people out for not putting their votes on "useful wagons" when we had 2 large competing wagons and 2 smaller competing wagons between Alisae and Texcat:In post 2421, Alisae wrote:Gin I've said this multiple times, Texcat.
>They are my strongest scumread.
>Grey came off to me as not playing his towngame.
>They think they're lynchbait when they aren't
>Their reasoning for voting me is very weak.All Alone, Zach, HS, Kyouko, rb, Wraith, drealmerz all either SRed Gin or didn't believe his claim I think. That leaves Slick and Echo. Those are my top suspects for Blue mafia based on that reread, if there was a Blue Mafia in Gin's vigpool. I'd rather try to get Red to shoot at them than mislynch a lurker, but I'd go Slick's way today. Not Echo today I don't think. I didn't find anything conclusive in there but I feel like my reads are in a better place now than they were before I went back to readIn post 1976, mhsmith0 wrote:
I may have misunderstood but it seemed to me like HS was saying Wraith if multiball because he thought Gin was scum? Not sure, will see what HS has to say about the multiball flip.
In post 3051, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:The intention of my post was to express that I think the Wraith wagon is a bad choice and we should reexamine Gin's wagon and fakeclaim to see if anything stands out as scummy. Ideally we look for a pool of blue mafia suspects today and lynch from in there in hopes that if we miss, red mafia will still shoot at our pool in hopes of hitting blue. We can look for red suspects too to try to direct blue's shots at red but it would be best to try to lynch blue today imoIn post 2992, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I feel like this wagon is ignoring the info Gin's fakeclaim gave us. Working on a wallpost about the votes onto Gin's wagon atm.
He proposed shooting amongst 6 players and 5 of those players ended up voting him, making up half of his lynch wagon. We know texcat was scum and was within Gin's sights. We should be examining the others' reasons for voting Gin to see if we can uncover a blue mafia member there, and looking at how others reacted to tex being a target
More scumslips.In post 3052, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:If Wraith is mafia he's probably red, and blue will shoot him tonight, so no need to lynch him right away
I was more neutral in the conflict.In post 3072, rb wrote:Gin's claim was crap anyway, I didn't believe he was a vig for 0.01 of a second. If you just TR'd him for some reason then please elucidate on that but anyone who thought the claim itself was a towntell needs to explain
More scumslipping. And not just a color slip this time.In post 3082, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:laughed at "vig rb"
Maybe swap the days on Echo/Wraith because Wraith might get shot by blue mafia tonight anyways
Add this.In post 3089, EchoVision wrote:why are you so worried on killing blue, why don't we justIn post 3051, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:The intention of my post was to express that I think the Wraith wagon is a bad choice and we should reexamine Gin's wagon and fakeclaim to see if anything stands out as scummy. Ideally we look for a pool of blue mafia suspects today and lynch from in there in hopes that if we miss, red mafia will still shoot at our pool in hopes of hitting blue. We can look for red suspects too to try to direct blue's shots at red but it would be best to try to lynch blue today imoIn post 2992, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I feel like this wagon is ignoring the info Gin's fakeclaim gave us. Working on a wallpost about the votes onto Gin's wagon atm.
He proposed shooting amongst 6 players and 5 of those players ended up voting him, making up half of his lynch wagon. We know texcat was scum and was within Gin's sights. We should be examining the others' reasons for voting Gin to see if we can uncover a blue mafia member there, and looking at how others reacted to tex being a targetkill fucking mafia
Kyouko yes. Dunn, I'm unsure.In post 3094, EchoVision wrote:okay so do I have anyone agreeing with me that bdsm_tokyo and dunn are both maf together?? anybody??
PEdit: okay fuck your meta shit... it means nothing... so what I'm acting different? shit changes boy... other than your role cause you're scum this game too
In post 3146, Dunnstral wrote:Alright lads, I figure this is a good a time as any to mention my own investigate guilty onEchovision... let's lynchEchovisionand laugh at rb
Just bad.
Considering it was a fake cop result, this is a really scummy move to make.
Keep reading.
It's not scummy to scumread faulty assumptions. There's other scummy things you have done that others have pointed out as well.In post 3191, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Players suggesting lynching me for saying blue are more likely to be scum imo
I'm not going to qualify "the other" scumteam or the "not red" scumteam every time I want to talk about players that are scum but not on Red Mafia team, it's clunky and inconvenient. There's also a game in the archives that uses red mafia and blue mafia as the factions that I saw when I was looking at the multiball setups.
You, Drealm, and Dunn are imo preferable to Slick right now, though the case is indeed there.In post 3245, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:@drealm - Dunn was obviously reaction testing based on the movement of his vote soon after calling the guilty on Echo. It was a wasted effort imo, just distracts from actual scumhunting. I can't help but hear town tone from you but I fail to see anything that makes me think you're town beyond that. Could you explain some of your strongest scumreads?
@Slick - what are your 2 strongest reads, scum or town, excluding conftown rb, and what makes you think those players are town/scum?
@Zach - Still waiting on specifically what was inaccurate about my post:You didn't say what was inaccurate about my post in your reply.In post 3059, Zachstralkita wrote:ssbm_Kyouko wrote:That's not how this works. You said my original post was inaccurate, but when I pointed out that I didn't see what was inaccurate about it and then explained the intentions behind my post like you asked, you never pointed out what was inaccurate about my post. I felt like your vote was unwarranted.In post 3053, Zachstralkita wrote:Of your original post, what of my response to it was unwarranted and what of my response to it was incorrect given the context
What about my post was inaccurate?
@Dunn I seriously doubt there's a real vig and even if there were one they could have just as easily ignored Gin's claim and shot him overnight instead of lynching him. I doubt that both Red Mafia and a Vig failed to kill last night, but it's possible that Blue and the Vig both shot at Texcat considering that slot's play yesterday around Gin and rb.
pedit: Gin's claim stunk tbh and I think whether people believed it or not given he flipped town is NAI as long as it's consistent with their reads of Gin before his claim.But my response to it told you why it was inaccurate. That's why I told you to read my response because it says literally exactly what was wrong with what you said. And what I said to CreatureThe bolded is the closest I can find to you pointed out something being inaccurate in my original post 2992. If you read my 2992 all it says is that 5/6 of the players that Gin put in his vig pool ended up voting him. I never said they voted him because they were in his vigpool, I just said that they ended up voting him. I want to know if this is what you thought was inaccurate about my post, and whether you still consider it inaccurate.In post 2999, Zachstralkita wrote:In post 2992, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I feel like this wagon is ignoring the info Gin's fakeclaim gave us. Working on a wallpost about the votes onto Gin's wagon atm.
He proposed shooting amongst 6 players and 5 of those players ended up voting him, making up half of his lynch wagon. We know texcat was scum and was within Gin's sights. We should be examining the others' reasons for voting Gin to see if we can uncover a blue mafia member there, and looking at how others reacted to tex being a target
You're being short-sighted, deliberately or otherwise.
90% of the people who Gin wanted to shoot were scumreading him before.
Also, do you have a reason to not comment on SlickDilinger atm? You're voting me, but who's your top scumread and why?
@Ircher - Do you feel the case on SD is lacking? Do you have a counter to propose?
Tell us why.In post 3247, drealmerz7 wrote:I wouldn't really say I have any "strong scumreads"
Ircher and alisae probably the strongest but not much to say about them
Was that a hammer?In post 3254, Alisae wrote:Ya know what. I don't think we're going to get content out of slick.
I think I'm just going to end the poor child's misery of trying to catch up.
VOTE: Slick
But, lynchbait != scum as well.In post 3280, Human Sequencer wrote:if alisae makes it to lylo i will be filled with an incredible sadness
she posts so much transparently scummy shit and everybody just glazes right over it because 'lol lynchbait'
lynchbait=/= town
the guilty was fake.....
not in normals. Maybe 2 scumteams plus SK.In post 3366, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Could someone archive dig? Has there ever been multiballs consisting of 3 mafia factions? Seems unlikely.
That isn't even true. This is how I've caught up in my more recent games; take Mini 1862 as a good example. (Nadroj's)In post 3379, drealmerz7 wrote:ircher is scum for the way he does his catchup
town ircher wouldn't do catchup like this!