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[Alisae]

Also @Tywin

@Tywin: why are you SRing me? I want ALL the reasons.

[Alisae]

Elbrin best way to show that Titus is wrong is to vote Kyouko.
If the people she wants lynched are You, Tywin, and Nero
Then I wonder how she would react if we managed to flip scum for once in our fucking lives.
And if Kyouko flips town, then Tywin get's shot and Titus has the data she wants.
Tywin that means change your vote as well.

[Alisae]

@Elbrin, the votes dictate my scumread on you. Your defensiveness doesn't help.

I call bullshit.
Elbrin's obvious vote is scummy
yet Pine's vote on me reads as bad town
when Nos did the same mistake.
Bullshit

[Alisae]

Why do you have such a hard on for lynching town?

Yeah, why do I have such a hard on for playing to my win con which is lynch scum.

Also Elbrin your vote on Titus kinda reads as a state of apathy.

[Alisae]

It basically confirms that this game is in a state of apathy.
And come lynch Kyouko with me?

[Alisae]

Question: was Tywin calling Titus possible scum or not earlier this game day?
@Ali: I don't really count that tbh.

Yes, but recanted when told of Cabd flip. Yet he was aware of Nos flip.

tbh, Tywin feels like scum being coached.

wtf how did you jump to that conclusion?

[Alisae]

I don't wanna you can't make me you're not my real dad

who's my wife in this case?

And why are you against the lynch?

[Alisae]

Question: was Tywin calling Titus possible scum or not earlier this game day?
@Ali: I don't really count that tbh.

Yes, but recanted when told of Cabd flip. Yet he was aware of Nos flip.

tbh, Tywin feels like scum being coached.

wtf how did you jump to that conclusion?

His strange turns of opinion.

lol kay.

[Alisae]

Votecount 3.4

Tywin Lannister 2 (Titus, Gamma Emerald)
ssbm_Kyouko 2 (xSoniaNevermindx, Alisae)
Pine 1 (Tywin Lannister)

Not Voting 6 (others)

Apparently my vote looks so stupid the mod didn't even count it

lol

[Alisae]

Did I miss a hammer?

No and Tywin is not getting hammered today.
Sorry.

He is if I have anything to say about it.

I will settle for Nero or Elbrin if I must.

Scum Tywin self hammers instead of asking to self hammer.

Town should never self vote though. It's likely just a bid for towncred. He's bound to do it anyways so why not make himself look townier?

I don't understand your train of thought because honestly it looks bad to me.

[Alisae]

Aj you are interesting.
I think I am starting to solve this game and the Kyouko flip will say a lot.

[Alisae]

Titus I think I see where you are coming from now.

[Alisae]

Now that I think about it, I think Gamma is scum. Why?

Can someone summarize the last ~25 pages plz?

Didn't catch it at the time because I didn't know Gamma as well, but this isn't town!Gamma.
Or doesn't feel like it atleast.

[Alisae]

OMGAWD OMGAWD OMGAWD TITUS!
I think I understand where you're coming from now and why you need a Tywin lynch done.
If it's what I am thinking, I don't see how Nero and AJ are involved. I see Elbrin playing a huge role in it tho.

[Alisae]

Votecount 1.F

Lapsa 9 (Pine, CloudKicker, Titus, Gamma Emerald, Lil Uzi Vert, ssbm_Kyouko, Cabd, Syryana, Alisae)

Nosferatu 3 (Elbirn, xSoniaNevermindx, Lapsa)
Titus 3 (Nero Cain, mozamis, Tywin Lannister)
Alisae 1 (Aj The Epic)
CloudKicker 1 (Nosferatu)

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

I also just noticed this. I remember Tywin being on Nosferatu not Titus before that day ended.
Titus am I looking at the right place?

[Alisae]

So it's not the Nosferatu counterwagon.
Hmm...

[Alisae]

Nope but that's a start, Alisae.

Elbrin, when I am confirmed town, I let others solve more. Bite me.

Unacceptable. Do shit or I'm replacing out.

Hey.
Stop being a little bitch and solve shit yourself.
Atleast show some effort instead of trying to sheep Titus.
Because you're being a hypocrite.
Or come lynch scum with me.
We flippin Kyouko boyz.

Also Garry for a moment I forgot you are on V/LA

[Alisae]

My one problem I have is this:
Kyouko, Gamma, and Pine are mostly on Tywin and won't touch anyone else.
Aj won't touch Tywin and is mostly on Kyouko
And then there's Nero.

[Alisae]

Titus I like the Kyouko lynch a bit more.

[Alisae]

TBH I was writing that before you asked.

[Alisae]

I am very interested in Elbrin's answer tho.

[Alisae]

Hey Gamma.
We got cookies.

[Alisae]

to be fair, Tywin is right and you know it Gamma

[Alisae]

Are you trying to use a kyouko association to talk me down from Tywin

Aren't you using Tywin association to talk us down from kyouko?

I can understand ssbm being scum with Tywin, but ssbm unvoted, I feel scum would have postured.

I can't.

[Alisae]

Unless he was chainsawing Tywin because I thought Titus was town D1 by attacking me.

[Alisae]

Unless he was chainsawing Tywin because I thought Titus was town D1 by attacking me.

Huh?

Remember. Day 1, Titus and Tywin got into a TvT?
If Tywin is scum there, scum Kyouko sees me buddying Titus and not liking Tywin.
So legit they try to push me just about all of D1.
Kyouko attempts to bus Tywin but then that whole conflict gets sorted.

You want to know why Scum Kyouko and Scum Tywin can't work?
Because Tywin talked too much.

Adapt.

[Alisae]

Unless Tywin is hardbussing. Good luck proving that.

[Alisae]

You know what you should be pushing?
Kyouko.

[Alisae]

I think your pushing town.

[Alisae]

I think you should be saying that Tywin is town and SSBM is scum.
Cause right now you're confirming you're scum with Kyouko. And it's kinda cool.

[Alisae]

Hey Gamma. Wanna hear a joke?
What is black, white, and red all over?
Kyouko and your role pms.
LOL ECKS DEE

[Alisae]

Now, you wanna know the best part.
Your whole arguement promotes false dichotomies

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

Bitch you know I'm right.


Also it ain't OMGUS if I didn't vote you.

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

works fine on my end.

[Alisae]

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/und ... 0823002739
Here you go.

Your scum now.
You're also ded D4 when Kyouko flips scum

[Alisae]

Gimmie an A!
Gimmie an T!
Gimmie an E!
What does that spell?
AtE!

[Alisae]

And Nos. Don't forget Nos AJ!

[Alisae]

Because he voted the vig day 2!

[Alisae]

No Kyouko. I am not shooting townies because you are scum.
Hey Elbrin, hammer this guy already for us?

[Alisae]

Gamma knows hes dead.

[Alisae]

Nero that was my arguement this whole god dam day on why Titus isn't scum to me.

[Alisae]

Dear Town:
I am very most likely to die tonight. So in the event that I die, pleaes do the following depending on Flip
A Kyouko scum flip: Gamma or Pine will be dieing tonight. If so, please lynch the other one. If they are somehow alive, lynch them both.
A Kyouko town flip: Sheep Titus and/or Sonia and Nero or Tywin will die tonight.

With Love, Alisae.

[Alisae]

Titus Children are hard to control sometimes. But they can be right too.
And notice how hard it was to get a wagon on Kyouko?
It was a lot easier to get a wagon going on Tywin, don't chu think?
I wonder why that is.

[Alisae]

Seeing Gamma's reaction makes me thing it's not. That frustration is way more faked then anything Tywin pulled out this game.

[Alisae]

Seeing Gamma's reaction makes me thing it's not. That frustration is way more faked then anything Tywin pulled out this game.

This in refering to Kyouko being Town.

[Alisae]

Oh! What other roles can come up with a false positive that isn't third party? I couldn't come up with any, so town could be massively stacked. Remember Scum killed Cloud N1. Their Traitor (and their first mistake). It was in response to Mafia X-Shot Doc. And there's no reason not to heal Nos, Titus included Nos in their shots and I remember you suggesting it to me. The only possibility I might be able to consider is Mafia Odd-Night Doc.

And all of my scumreads were voting Tywin over night. See the problem here Titus?

As for Gamma's frustration, Tywin misrepresented things because he needs to #read.
Otherwise they are exactly similar.
We are flipping Kyouko.

[Alisae]

Titus, want me to work with you? Flip Kyouko. A town flip shuts down my Gamma, Kyouko, Pine/You scumteam
(You being potential odd-night scum doc).
Out of your 4 Scumreads I TR Elbrin and Tywin.

Your scumreads were voting Kyouko over night?

Votecount 3.1

Tywin Lannister 5 (Pine, ssbm_Kyouko, Titus, Gamma Emerald, Elbirn)
Nero Cain 1 (Alisae)

Not Voting 5 (the rest o yall)

Where's the counterwagon?

[Alisae]

Why is me being passive no fun?

I have given the group my lynch pool and I am voting the largest wagon in it.

Being confirmed town means more than ever I do not shut others up.

Do you have a problem voting within my pool Elbrin?

How are you gonna turn me questioning your lack of effort into trying to place blame on me

And yeah I do have a problem with you doing nothing but saying "x y z are acceptable go git em". And when one of those is me like what do you expect me to say to this

I'm just gonna find your partner since you're never getting lynched, that'll be the game for me, and I'll fuck off from you since at this point all I'm doing is making myself look and feel like a punk ass

VOTE: GammaEmerald

Do you seriously think I'm so bad as scum that I would tie myself to my buddy so much? Look at how I defended Titus Day 1. This is incredibly moronic.

Um...Yes. I do.

[Alisae]

Aj go look at Cloudie and Kyouko again if that makes you happy.
Elbrin who the fuck you think I'm shooting?

Gerry, who do you want me to shoot?
Sonia, same question.

Titus no longer has influence on this shit until she decides to lynch within one of MY scumreads.

[Alisae]

Gerry, hopefully you understand why I trust you and Sonia more then Titus, right?
just to make sure we're on the same page.

[Alisae]

Aj go look at Cloudie and Kyouko again if that makes you happy.
Elbrin who the fuck you think I'm shooting?

Gerry, who do you want me to shoot?
Sonia, same question.

Titus no longer has influence on this shit until she decides to lynch within one of MY scumreads.

I know that CK dropped a hint towards SSBM but again, it can't be both ways and the chance that he was trying to get the crumb out there in general is still a likely possibility.

Cloudie showed he was traitor by voting Lapsa who was crumbing Traitor and telling Kyouko that one line.

[Alisae]

Why is me being passive no fun?

I have given the group my lynch pool and I am voting the largest wagon in it.

Being confirmed town means more than ever I do not shut others up.

Do you have a problem voting within my pool Elbrin?

How are you gonna turn me questioning your lack of effort into trying to place blame on me

And yeah I do have a problem with you doing nothing but saying "x y z are acceptable go git em". And when one of those is me like what do you expect me to say to this

I'm just gonna find your partner since you're never getting lynched, that'll be the game for me, and I'll fuck off from you since at this point all I'm doing is making myself look and feel like a punk ass

VOTE: GammaEmerald

Do you seriously think I'm so bad as scum that I would tie myself to my buddy so much? Look at how I defended Titus Day 1. This is incredibly moronic.

Um...Yes. I do.

LOOOOL
YOU JUST CALLED TITUS SCUM THERE

Odd-night Scum Doc is a possibility I am considering.

[Alisae]

Or ya know, ya did it for the towncred.

[Alisae]

Either way I used one of your own tells against you.

[Alisae]

Either way I used one of your own tells against you.

Really, which one then?

[Alisae]

You said the two possibilities are that Kyouko is either scum with Tywin or Tywin is scum while Kyouko is town. Those are the two theories you were promoting.
However you haven't considered at all that Kyouko could be scum and Tywin could be town.

[Alisae]

Discredditing in what? Telling me Nero is not a good shot?
It is a good shot...If Kyouko is town.
He's not.

[Alisae]

How do you know he just didn't simply miss the questions?

[Alisae]

Gamma I find it funny that NOW you're trying to make Tywin look bad. It's like you know you're caught scum.
Hell I might even wagon your ass instead of Kyouko and shoot Kyouko.
Your chainsaw on Kyouko is fucking hilarious.

[Alisae]

Aww, poor child. Let me end your suffering for you

Dayvig: Gamma Emerald

[Alisae]

Aj plz Gamma know's he's dead.
And a Gamma flip won't tell me as much as a Kyouko flip.

[Alisae]

WOWIE TYWIN! IT'S LIKE I POINTED IT OUT 22 POSTS AGO!

[Alisae]

I'm really tired of how blind Alisae is to Tywin's scumminess, and after voting him no less.
Alisae, stop playing like you got a red role PM.

Best part about this post is I'm not blind.
I like his words more and I agree with a Kyouko, Gamma, Titus/Pine scumteam.
A Kyouko flip tells me a lot of information. Kyouko Lynch means Game_Solved.

[Alisae]

I will only support a lynch on kyouko if you honestly put Tywin in your vig pool.

Consider it done.

[Alisae]

Hold on a second...


That's a really easy admission to vote SSBM and get away with it free.

I know right.

[Alisae]

Hey Elbrin. Kyouko is scum with Gamma.
I need more Kyouko votes.

[Alisae]

Hey everyone! Tell me what is wrong with the following sentence:
Voting confirmed town is a towntell.

[Alisae]

Point one: He is super inconsistent. He thinks Pine is town when he was like "Scum would rather you shoot on your own free will" when that's what Pine exactly did.
Point two: He descredits my own judgment saying that Titus' judgment is better then mine.
Point three: Look at how hard Gamma is chainsawing. He was basicly defending Kyouko by attacking Tywin

[Alisae]

2. My point is it's discrediting.
3. I'm waiting to see who hops on the Gamma wagon.

[Alisae]

2. This point is based on your own ego being hurt and doesn't make Kyouko scum. Sorrynotsorry

3. You should hop on the gamma wagon

2. Cute.
3. VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Alisae]

I wanted to be sure she wouldn't walk back on the possibility of vigging tywin

Why does this feel like you haven't been reading anything that I've been saying?

[Alisae]

Hey Tywin remember that one time I made you super frustrated really easily? Good times.

[Alisae]

If I was scum, then me never being on a single town lynch would look awfully bad for townies like you, who lynched town without reason. Your reads have all been wrong, so the fact that you've focused your entire attention all game on me would probably make you at least question if you were right/wrong at some point. I know that I reevaluate my reads all the time when warranted, and in games where I've lynched multiple townies, I reevaluate my entire approach. You haven't done it once, and I believe you've just continued

To be fair, right now you're discribing Titus.

[Alisae]

Shes clearly not full-blown scum due to no gun

The same shit I've been telling Nero:
Odd Night Scum Doc.

[Alisae]

More pre-flip associations.
Gamma scum + Pine Town = Scum Doc Titus.

[Alisae]

What with the pre-flip association?
This game is getting closed to solved. I'm trying to figure out how to solve it.
Or calling Titus scum? I don't like how she's been playing since she was confirmed town and leading wagons on town.

[Alisae]

For what reason is she allowed to be lazy?

[Alisae]

Why?

[Alisae]

I can understand that, but wouldn't it be more helpful for her to lead others along her thought process?

[Alisae]

Like she's saying she has shit, but I don't feel like she's trying to help us get there. Like I feel like I'm playing a game of 20 questions when I do think about it.

[Alisae]

If you're town, scum is probably within the pool of AJ, Tywin, Nero, Elbrin.
And I've been showing consideration towards that.
And yes, I am assuming Kyouko and Gamma are on the same scumteam together.

[Alisae]

On the information part pretty much. This game is a coin at this point.
Yes.
Well do you TR him? If so then it worked pretty well.

[Alisae]

Why exactly are we shooting me if SSBM flips town?

I'm not shooting you if Kyouko flips town, because we're not flipping Kyouko. We're flipping Gamma. Come join the wagon.

[Alisae]

But to answer your question Nero.
One word:
Titus

[Alisae]

Gamma is at L-1.

DO NOT HAMMER JUST YET.

[Alisae]

I wanna talk to Sonia and Garry before that happens.
And I wanna leave this:

Dear Town,
I am likely to get NK'd today. So in the event I get NK'd do the following things
Gamma town flip: Consider everyone that's on the wagon as a lynch. I'll be shooting from the wagon. Sheep Titus, Garry, and probably Sonia.
Gamma Scum flip: Scum Kyouko and Scum Pine need to be dealt with and maybe Scum Titus if it really comes down to that. I will be shooting either Kyouko or Pine.
Love, Alisae

PS. Titus could be scum odd night doc but it's very unlikely.

I leave the game in good hands.

[Alisae]

My only TRs at this point are you Titus and Gerry.

I feel like the scum are pretty involved right now

so I'm leaning away from scum!Sonia

Fruit for thought. How many times have you slipped again?

[Alisae]

Fine.

[Alisae]

Yeah this game is fucking solved.

[Alisae]

BTW wants some?
/me offers Kyouko popcorn.

I'm rolling with either scumteam at this point
A: Kyouko, Gamma, Pine
B. Aj, Tywin, Nero

[Alisae]

Maybe replace Tywin with Elbrin. Tywin has been lynchbait the whole game.

[Alisae]

BTW wants some?
/me offers Kyouko popcorn.

I'm rolling with either scumteam at this point
A: Kyouko, Gamma, Pine
B. Aj, Tywin, Nero

Umm 4 scum in this is effing large. You are positing 5.

Catching up.

Huh...Titus that's interesting...
In that case game should end tonight if not tonight tomorrow if you got this shit solved.

[Alisae]

BTW wants some?
/me offers Kyouko popcorn.

I'm rolling with either scumteam at this point
A: Kyouko, Gamma, Pine
B. Aj, Tywin, Nero

Umm 4 scum in this is effing large. You are positing 5.

Catching up.

Huh...Titus that's interesting...
In that case game should end tonight if not tonight tomorrow if you got this shit solved.

Umm just how can we mow down 4 scumreads tonight?

Case A. Scum flip Gamma me shoot Kyouko.
Case B. Town flip Gamma me shoot Nero, lynch Tywin.

[Alisae]

Or AJ for case B

[Alisae]

Pine. Do you have ANY Thoughts about what has been going on?

And what are your reads?

[Alisae]

VOTE: Nero

Titus you know I'm most likely shooting this, right?

[Alisae]

Like my shots are
Kyouko
Pine
Nero

[Alisae]

in no particular order btw.

[Alisae]

who I shoot is depended on flips.

[Alisae]

You said that if you voted Kyouko. You never did vote Kyouko.
He's still a shot, I'm just limiting my shots to 3 people.
He would be the 4th person on the list.

[Alisae]

TBH, my reasoning is sorta childish right now because I sorta want to get this game done with XD

[Alisae]

To plant paranoia in the town. Reverse Psychology.

[Alisae]

OMG D2 I WAS LOOKING FOR THIS SHIT BUT I COULD NEVER FIND IT

Titus is town, tywin is town, aj looks town, sonia is gut town with pro reads that are just like mine.

Sbm might be playing a great scumgame btw

, elbirn looks town enough,

gamma with the mason comment looks ridiculously town

[Alisae]

Here's the way I see it.
CK was doing town things and dropping intentional traitor tells to drop some paranoia in the town. Whenever he got lynched or got killed in this case, it would make some of his TRs look really bad and some of his SRs look really good.
Sometimes with CK the way I see it you have to look at the bigger picture, and sometime you have to take things at face value. Like for example when he directly told Kyouko that traitors want to make themselves look obvious for their scumteam, and then votes Lapsa, or when he basicly claimed he was part of the mafia when he was fucking around with his signature. Him voting Lapsa and him saying that Traitors want to make themselves look obvious to their scumteam is basicly him claiming traitor because it was a counter claim to Lapsa's traitor.
CK give a TR on Titus, a TR on AJ. A TR on Tywin. These are all the people that Cloudie hoped we mislynch. Too bad we cleared Titus.
He gives Kyouko a scumread. A person we hoped we could dismiss as town.
He gives Elbrin a TR. I don't get this one.
He gives Gamma a TR. I think this TR is the real scumread. Also it's the very last read mentioned in that string. People read from left to right, so naturally people will go look at the first few TRs and go "Oh thats Cloudie's scummates." Basicly he hoped the Gamma read would be ignored completely.

[Alisae]

Lapsa 9 (Pine, CloudKicker, Titus, Gamma Emerald, Lil Uzi Vert, ssbm_Kyouko, Cabd, Syryana, Alisae)

Now, let's look at this. We see Traitor Cloudie. Kyouko mentions some stuff about the Lapsa saying how Scum probably tried to stay off the Lapsa wagon. And Gamma is there. Cool. Cloudie effectively communicated to his scum team that he was the traitor.

BUT WAIT ALISAE?!?!?! WHY WAS HE NK'D IF HE COMMUNICATED THAT OFF PERFECTLY?!?!?!
Becuase killing him would hopefully caused more mislynches.

[Alisae]

Pine Metal Sonic did it in the game he was given the Sun Tzu Title. It's not planning for failure at all.

[Alisae]

Know what?

[Alisae]

“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
“Be extremely subtle even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent s fate.”
― Sun Tzu

[Alisae]

Nah, I doubt it. I think Cloudie is just really good at this game.

[Alisae]

Oh yeah, have another one
"Pretend inferiority and encourage your enemy's arrogance. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush them"
-Sun Tzu

[Alisae]

Pine that's exactly what scum wants you to think XD
He was hoping to get Titus, Aj, and Tywin mislynched.

[Alisae]

Pine any other questions?

[Alisae]

Want to end the game now?
This game is pretty much done.

[Alisae]

I pretty much narrowed it down to Kyouko and Gamma.
Looking at Cloudie's ISO actually helped me do that XD

[Alisae]

Kyouko, am I right?
Cuz your scum game is really on point.

[Alisae]

oh wait scum isn't gonna hand me the game like that XD

[Alisae]

This one.

[Alisae]

Yep. You're making me copy paste this again.
“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

[Alisae]

If I go onto someone like maybe Kyouko, Gamma, or Pine; AJ, Nero, Tywin, can sheep me easily.
If I go ontot someone like Tywin or maybe Nero; Kyouko, Gamma, Pine sheep me easily.
See what my problem with this game is.

[Alisae]

Uhh my snark won't be as effective now but yeah, alisae, your hypothesis there is basically that literally anyone in this game is scum, and I'm like "wowe so brave"

Not really. It's based on the thesis of "Did Cloudie intentionally scumtell.?"
I think he did.

[Alisae]

Haha EBWOP: Due to knowing my own alignment, I know I'm not* scum. Haha can't wait for someone to latch on to that typo.

The only person that latches onto typos in this room is you.

[Alisae]

Alright Pine, how am I wrong?

[Alisae]

Pine think of it as a dead man's switch.
He was making one in the event he got lynched or in this case NK'd.

And I don't see how that doesn't make sense.
The way I see it he wanted you to go by Occam's Razor.

[Alisae]

Pine if this game was simple in general, everyone would have saw that Cloudie scumtold and lynched him.

[Alisae]

@MOD Nero never self-voted, Kyouko voted Nero. Kyouko is not on AJ from what I last read

VOTE: Nero

I'm with mom

Also look at this oppertunistic bullshit.

[Alisae]

Uhh Lapsa's avatar is a cheetah not a dog

I think he was not being serious about not liking masons.
This is the scum on his wagon
VOTE: Elbirn

And this oppertunistic bullshit

[Alisae]

He also oppertunisticly hopped on the AJ wagon when that was forming.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Kyouko
This ISO is fulled with disgusting, oppertunistic bullshit.

[Alisae]

Nero where the fuck is that shit?

[Alisae]

Mhmm

[Alisae]

I'm not angry ;~;

[Alisae]

Gamma and Kyouko, if you think I'm conf biasing you two maybe it's because maybe you two both refuse to SR each other.

[Alisae]

Looking at Kyouko's ISO some more. A lot of the shit I am seeing from him from Day 1 is hoping on a lot of wagons (Elbrin, AJ, Tywin, Lapsa) but not the Gamma wagon that was around D1.

[Alisae]

Scum Tywin hops on the Moz wagon?

[Alisae]

What is your opinion on AJ?

[Alisae]

Hi Gerry.

[Alisae]

Kyouko and/or Gamma need rope.

[Alisae]

Here's the way I see it.
CK was doing town things and dropping intentional traitor tells to drop some paranoia in the town. Whenever he got lynched or got killed in this case, it would make some of his TRs look really bad and some of his SRs look really good.
Sometimes with CK the way I see it you have to look at the bigger picture, and sometime you have to take things at face value. Like for example when he directly told Kyouko that traitors want to make themselves look obvious for their scumteam, and then votes Lapsa, or when he basicly claimed he was part of the mafia when he was fucking around with his signature. Him voting Lapsa and him saying that Traitors want to make themselves look obvious to their scumteam is basicly him claiming traitor because it was a counter claim to Lapsa's traitor.
CK give a TR on Titus, a TR on AJ. A TR on Tywin. These are all the people that Cloudie hoped we mislynch. Too bad we cleared Titus.
He gives Kyouko a scumread. A person we hoped we could dismiss as town.
He gives Elbrin a TR. I don't get this one.
He gives Gamma a TR. I think this TR is the real scumread. Also it's the very last read mentioned in that string. People read from left to right, so naturally people will go look at the first few TRs and go "Oh thats Cloudie's scummates." Basicly he hoped the Gamma read would be ignored completely.

Lapsa 9 (Pine, CloudKicker, Titus, Gamma Emerald, Lil Uzi Vert, ssbm_Kyouko, Cabd, Syryana, Alisae)

Now, let's look at this. We see Traitor Cloudie. Kyouko mentions some stuff about the Lapsa saying how Scum probably tried to stay off the Lapsa wagon. And Gamma is there. Cool. Cloudie effectively communicated to his scum team that he was the traitor.

BUT WAIT ALISAE?!?!?! WHY WAS HE NK'D IF HE COMMUNICATED THAT OFF PERFECTLY?!?!?!
Becuase killing him would hopefully caused more mislynches.

CK stuff if you care about that since ya know, CK is traitor.

[Alisae]

UGUU GERRY, I WANNA END THE DAY CUZ I THINK GAME IS SOLVED ;~;

[Alisae]

VOTE: Gamma

[Alisae]

FYI, I get NK'd.
Gamma flip scum = Pine or Kyouko shot. Lynch the other. Preferibly Kyouko
Gamma flip town = Tywin gon git rekt

[Alisae]

to me it comes off as trying to not get rekt

[Alisae]

Sonia preference on shots?

[Alisae]

Sonia Garry, another question.
Does my analysis of CK's play sound like something that CK would do?
Garry I know you like the points, but does it sound like something that would come from CK?
I'm thinking it is because if it wasn't I don't think he would have multiple intentional scumtells.

[Alisae]

Ya know, if you're so sure Tywin is scum, why are you voting Gamma? Tywin's on that lynch, right?

When gamma flips scum, remember who pushed him the entire game when everyone else ignored his slot. Sounds like you want to avoid a gamma flip to me. This makes me happy.

Wrong. He's on the wagon.

[Alisae]

I'm staying on Gamma's wagon. He's the best lynch today IMO. I wouldn't doubt a Kyouko/Gamma scum team, but I'd rather flip the obvious one first. If gamma flips scum like I strongly suspect he will, then Kyouko is next. I'll switch to Kyouko if i don't have a choice, but then I'd just lynch gamma if Kyouko flips scum, so it really doesn't change much. I do think gamma is the most obvious scum in the game though. Gerry and Sonia should weigh in when they come back. I know Sonia wants Kyouko, but I wanna hear her thoughts on gamma, and Gerry wanted to extend the day for talk, but he's largely been MIA as well.

And...Speak of the devil. Here he is. Gerry, can we lynch gamma and then if he doesn't flip scum, shoot me? Thanks

I think we lynch Tywin. Look at how comfy he is with getting shot. He is probably scum with some method of protection.

Why do you think I shot Nos instead of him captain obvious?

[Alisae]

Nah since the beginning of Day 3 Elbrin.
And it's mostly because he's trying to direct my shot at him.

[Alisae]

@Sonia

Sonia preference on shots?

Sonia Garry, another question.
Does my analysis of CK's play sound like something that CK would do?
Garry I know you like the points, but does it sound like something that would come from CK?
I'm thinking it is because if it wasn't I don't think he would have multiple intentional scumtells.

[Alisae]

Ah ok.

[Alisae]

Tywin I'm not going to lynch you or shot you right now xD.
Maybe over night I'll visit you, have some tea, and then decide on a coin toss to see if you get shot or not.

[Alisae]

You're at l-1

[Alisae]

You're also ded kiddo.

[Alisae]

Hey Jesus. It's not X-mas anymore.

[Alisae]

Hey Jesus. It's not X-mas anymore.

If my x-mas lights are still up its still x-mas

Wow Jesus. hanukkah lasts for 8 days how many days does fuckin X-mas last for you?

[Alisae]

Dam I wish my X-mas was 12 days long. That would be 12 days more added to my winter vacation.

[Alisae]

btw Gamma, can you do me a favor and hammer yourself?
Always wanted a good X-Mas present like that.

[Alisae]

Aww, you're no fun -_-

[Alisae]

Gerry why do you think he mentioned the Elbrin read and what do you think he really meant by it?

[Alisae]

Now that I think about it even more, Elbrin has been added to my lynch/shoot pool.

[Alisae]

If I want you dead I Don't care how I kill you, you're dieing.

[Alisae]

Oh.
Both actually.

[Alisae]

morelikely to be in your group more then the Tywin group tho.

[Alisae]

Yeah Titus it is. Nero never voted for himself and Kyouko was never on AJ.

[Alisae]

And no, we're flipping Gamma.

[Alisae]

Unless you honestly believe my CK analysis is shit.

[Alisae]

And Titus tonight Nero may end up getting a visit.
I believe I said this multiple times, did I not?

[Alisae]

Maybe if I quote Sun Tzu some more Gamma will self-hammer.

[Alisae]

I'd like to note all my SRs are on my wagon, and no TRs except Alisae
I will self-hammer on one condition: lynch/vig everyone except Alisae on my wagon.

Sure

[Alisae]

Titus that really doesn't make sense coming from you unless you expect Elbrin to do it.
And I don't think he will.

[Alisae]

Also you never gave me your thoughts on my CK theory.

[Alisae]

Here's the way I see it.
CK was doing town things and dropping intentional traitor tells to drop some paranoia in the town. Whenever he got lynched or got killed in this case, it would make some of his TRs look really bad and some of his SRs look really good.
Sometimes with CK the way I see it you have to look at the bigger picture, and sometime you have to take things at face value. Like for example when he directly told Kyouko that traitors want to make themselves look obvious for their scumteam, and then votes Lapsa, or when he basicly claimed he was part of the mafia when he was fucking around with his signature. Him voting Lapsa and him saying that Traitors want to make themselves look obvious to their scumteam is basicly him claiming traitor because it was a counter claim to Lapsa's traitor.
CK give a TR on Titus, a TR on AJ. A TR on Tywin. These are all the people that Cloudie hoped we mislynch. Too bad we cleared Titus.
He gives Kyouko a scumread. A person we hoped we could dismiss as town.
He gives Elbrin a TR. I don't get this one.
He gives Gamma a TR. I think this TR is the real scumread. Also it's the very last read mentioned in that string. People read from left to right, so naturally people will go look at the first few TRs and go "Oh thats Cloudie's scummates." Basicly he hoped the Gamma read would be ignored completely.

Lapsa 9 (Pine, CloudKicker, Titus, Gamma Emerald, Lil Uzi Vert, ssbm_Kyouko, Cabd, Syryana, Alisae)

Now, let's look at this. We see Traitor Cloudie. Kyouko mentions some stuff about the Lapsa saying how Scum probably tried to stay off the Lapsa wagon. And Gamma is there. Cool. Cloudie effectively communicated to his scum team that he was the traitor.

BUT WAIT ALISAE?!?!?! WHY WAS HE NK'D IF HE COMMUNICATED THAT OFF PERFECTLY?!?!?!
Becuase killing him would hopefully caused more mislynches.

CK stuff if you care about that since ya know, CK is traitor.

I remember Garry saying this would make sense coming from CK

[Alisae]

Like Titus, if you think about it.
I think Day 2 would have happened VERY differently if you were not cleared right away.

[Alisae]

Alright I'm getting NK'd.
Gamma scum means scum in either Kyouko, Pine, or Elbrin.
Gamma Town means scum in either Nero, Elbrin, Tywin.
Best of luck town!

[Alisae]

For towncred, yes.
If Gamma is town and you are town um...I never considered this lol xd.

[Alisae]

Um Gamma town means scum in Kyouko, Nero, Elbrin, Tywin. Congrats you put yourself in the pool.
You and Tywin actually makes sense.
And Sonia is probably town.

[Alisae]

Alright I'm gonna sleep on who could be scum with Gamma and who is scum if it's not Gamma.
I think Kyouko hammered just to fuck with me.

[Alisae]

Yep!
Maybe while I do that I'll come visit you, we'll drink tea, watch a movie, and then I'll flip a coin to see if I shoot you or not.

[Alisae]

You scum or not?

[Alisae]

Elbrin.
I'm suffering right now.

[Alisae]

Garrybote BG'd me but that action didn't go through ;~;
pedit: And I would have shot you in the face Pine.
Pedit2: The moment Pine said "I would have never killed Titus" was the moment you should have hammered Pine.

[Alisae]

Aww thanks Cephrir
this was my first Large.
It has a special place in my heart.

[Alisae]

#TeamTywinWasObvtown

[Alisae]

Aww thanks Pine.

[Alisae]

I just remembered that my first few posts were me acting as a kitten.
hehe

[Alisae]

Nos what was your previous avi.

[Alisae]

Also sorry for shootin ya
Not really