Mafia 68: Ork - Game over!

[Guardian]

You could be acting a lot more town by trying to help coerce the Lyncher to claim.

Ah good point... Wait...

I DID THIS FOR LIKE 20 POSTS EARLIER, WTF DID YOU READ AT ALL??

Ahem... Also, if the doc claims, and it is NOT Khelvaster, we get to

lynch Khelvaster-obv. scum then

. Is this not a good deal??????

[Guardian]

MoS, you know I'm townz, you don't want to vote for me.

WHY should I vote scot? I really liked his response to me most recent question, tbh, as jerkish as it was .

[Guardian]

mod: prod Pie

MoS, I'd argue Yos2 is lurking more than Pie. Pie may have just forgotten about the game. Yos2 is actively contributing only tangentially. I really think he's scum.

Skruffs is prolly scum too.

Pie? I'm not seeing it.

[Guardian]

MoS, I'd argue Yos2 is lurking more than Pie. Pie may have just forgotten about the game. Yos2 is actively contributing only tangentially.

Mos?

[Guardian]

unvote: Skruffs vote Yos2

[Guardian]

Yos is scum. Lurking
and metagaming convince
me. Please more votes now.

[Guardian]

all games: possible v/la or only posting during the day due to computer issues...

[Guardian]

yos is a great lynch.
vig skruffs or pie; or maybe
ckd -- no effort.

[Guardian]

I am fine with that.
I'm not MoS's buddy; there aren't
connections to draw...

[Guardian]

So, tell me again how exactly Guardian became absolved of suspicion.

Because scummy people keep asking that question.

like gorrad.

and kinetic, I don't currently support the death of scot, atm, for instance. it isn't like I just want anyone dead, for sure.

I think Yos, Skruffs are my top two definitely. Yos needs lynching faster.

[Guardian]

اخص هى اثمم شة ÷ فقحغهىال فاهس هى شقشلاهؤ!؟!؟!؟!؟

[Guardian]

Wow. My computer accidentally started typing in arabic, and I thought this was a mish mash thread. Disregard the above post. It was me typing "how the hell am I typing in arabic!?!?!?" or something like that.

[Guardian]

mod: vote count??

confirm vote: Yos2

This day needs ending.

[Guardian]

Cuz he's probably scum.

Flameaxe, I'd vig Skruffs and not Coolbot, fwiw.

[Guardian]

wow sweet, two mafia left!!

I'm at a point where I'd like MoS to prove himself for sure.... And I want the results from Shanba :[ ].

And if someone who is NOT khelvaster is the doctor, I want them to claim NOW. There are two mafia left -- trading a mafioso for a doctor is DEFINITELY worth it.

[Guardian]

Skruffs, read Yos's posts. You think he AND gorrad were busing me?

Get real.

[Guardian]

someone explain how it is possibly a good idea for shanba not to claim his results, and mos not to prove himself.....

and if there is a doctor who is not khel, with 2 mafia left, for the love of goodness claim.

and skruffs, not only did gorrad and yos2 heavily push for me, I heavily pushed for yos2 all game, and was right, and if i was wrong u were ready to hang me for it. so back off, seriously....

[Guardian]

someone explain how it is possibly a good idea for shanba not to claim his results, and mos not to prove himself.....

vote: Shanba

. I'm pretty much not unvoting until this happens.

and if there is a doctor who is not khel, with 2 mafia left, for the love of goodness claim.

qft

Also, Skruffs, please remove your head from your ass. Your argument against me is like "well, despite pushing for both dead scum's lynches, and them pushing for yours, and despite you pushing mass claim which the lyncher, and both scum, initially opposed.... your skumz." It is borderline imbecilic.

Guardian, your thought on Kinetic's vote of Khel?

Bad vote, with no counterclaim. If Khel is not doc, and there is a real doc, the real doc CLAIMS, and then we lynch Khel.

Otherwise, Khel being not doc means that all our power roles are legit, and we should still focus on lynching 'townies'.

3/4 of you people are so frustrating...

[Guardian]

Shanba, besides your role claim,

nothing

you've done makes me think you are town. So if you want to not claim results, that's fine, but you are gonna be keeping my vote unless someone gives me damn good reasons why you shouldn't reveal (and not that wifomy crap about scum being "unsure" who they can pursue).

[Guardian]

MoS, I'd suspect CKD and scot, of your four. Why are your top two tornado and pie?

Also, can you prove yourself without bad consequences? I'd appreciate it......

[Guardian]

Khelvaster, I've played with him. I had a good and correct read on him. Any "hard" evidence? Not that I'm going to bother to dig up.

I can read people -- and try to do so -- in mafia!

Hot DAMN. Amazing concept!

And I'm like 99.9% sure I got it right here. That's pretty much it..............................................


ckd -- your 'giving up' ness

[Guardian]

well, then we have reached an impasse sir khelvaster. good day.

[Guardian]

{snip} I agree with Shanba. He should not reveal at the behest of Skruffs or Guardian. Be patient if you are town. I think I know what Shanba is thinking and he is making the right call here if I'm correct.

Can you really not explain here? There are a couple of things I think he could be thinking, but none of them preclude him explaining WHY he isn't revealing his targets. I just want a definitive answer, and a good one, as per WHY he isn't telling us what's going on.

[Guardian]

unvote vote: ckd

Grumble grumble....

[Guardian]

If a non-Khelvaster doc claims, we're lynching Khel. Khel being town is retarded, he's scum or doc.

However, I can see how my obsession is unhealthy, I'm done pushing it.

[Guardian]

LOOK@THIS GAME.

I PUSHED MASS CLAIM, GORRAD LYNCH, YOS LYNCH, THEY PUSHED MY LYNCH, AND I PUSHED MASS CLAIM WHICH ALL THREE DEAD SCUM INITIALLY OPPOSED.

I HATE HOW PEOPLE ARE IDIOTS. I'm sorry, but seriously, remove your heads from your asses.

[Guardian]

LOOK@THIS GAME.

I PUSHED MASS CLAIM, GORRAD LYNCH, YOS LYNCH, THEY PUSHED MY LYNCH, AND I PUSHED MASS CLAIM WHICH ALL THREE DEAD SCUM INITIALLY OPPOSED.

I HATE HOW PEOPLE ARE IDIOTS. I'm sorry, but seriously, remove your heads from your asses.

Didnt Yos and Gorrad also push for a Khel lynch too? If you cant be scum because both would not bus you, how come you think Khel could be scum...

Has Khel pushed for their lynch, or done anything remotely resembling something useful at all this game?

You know, I don't think kison opposed mass claim. You know, with him being dead and all.

I'm not counting Kison, I'm counting CoolBot.

LOOK@THIS GAME.

I PUSHED MASS CLAIM, GORRAD LYNCH, YOS LYNCH, THEY PUSHED MY LYNCH, AND I PUSHED MASS CLAIM WHICH ALL THREE DEAD SCUM INITIALLY OPPOSED.

I HATE HOW PEOPLE ARE IDIOTS. I'm sorry, but seriously, remove your heads from your asses.

And townies don't blow their cool like this.

That's complete bullshit. It is definitely a play/character flaw of mine, but I can point you to a couple of times where I've blown up as town... and um, ZERO as scum.

Seriously, you are going off the deep end now.

So I'm joining you?

[Guardian]

MOD: prod and/or replace Pie and Sir Tornado

Players: vote CKD

That is all.

[Guardian]

MoS's partner is pretty obv, I think.

[Guardian]

Well, that sucks.

[Guardian]

unvote vote: Toaster Strudel

OMGUS. Lynch -1.

[Guardian]

That's interesting.
Guardian, it doesn't look quite as good for you to point out you've voted both scum when it is also pointed out you've voted for the
cop, vig, and priest, too

That's irrelevant. First, that was before the mass claim -- eliminating them as targets was the whole point of the mass claim. Second, Shanba could be scum. Third, none of those three were lynched.

Yos2 on the other hand, was lynched, largely due to my efforts. Additionally, Gorrad very well could have been lynched were it not for those meddling kids. I mean, Tarhalindur.

[Guardian]

TS, sorry, but your case is retarded.

From what I can see, you find me suspicious

for being "too" good at finding scum

, and for having a good read on Kinetic.

You're going to have to do a lot better than that for me to respond in any detailed way.

Still really happy with my vote.

[Guardian]

For the record, I've supported Shanba giving his results forever. But I think I can see why it isn't a good idea.

I'm all for Khelvaster claiming though. It is kind of the purpose of a mass claim.

[Guardian]

I love how certain people's main 4 targets are the 4 claimed power roles, of which a maximum of 1 can be scum.

[Guardian]

Know what?

unvote vote: Khelvaster

TS can wait.

[Guardian]

unvote vote: TS

omgus.

[Guardian]

Can we lynch Guardian now? He's scum.

lal.

[Guardian]

I could heartily envision the scum being among the subset of non voting players.

[Guardian]

unvote

.

[Guardian]

ts obvtown.

sincere frustration. let her be replaced if she needs, but lynch imo very bad.

[Guardian]

vote: Sir Tornado

lal.

[Guardian]

Kelly, I unvoted in 1801.

TS first self-voted in 1803.

???

[Guardian]

................

there was no joke; I'd mixed up that he had been replaced/who TS replaced, as the OP hadn't been updated.

voting for a player no longer in the game shouldn't count as a real vote...

[Guardian]

I take great issue with counting a vote on a player who is no longer in the game.

I've never counted such votes as a mod, nor have I ever seen them counted. I explicitly unvoted TS because I thought it was highly likely that she was scum. I voted Sir T because I'd forgotten he'd been replaced, and thought that the lurkers very well might be scum.

I just want to emphatically say that lynching the player

Toaster Studel

based off of a vote for

Sir Tornado

is categorically a misrepresentation of my obvious intentions, and in complete contradiction with the philosophy of the mod letting the players play the game.



TS's reactions to this continues to confirm for me that she is town, and as I said, I completely oppose her being lynched. If Kelly chooses to have TS lynched despite her not having received a majority of votes at any time during the game, it might not be a bad time for Kinetic to confirm himself.

[Guardian]

lol, I meant to type an un- there. x).

[Guardian]

but but but he isn't scum!

[Guardian]

On a scale of one to amazingly crappy, that TS lynch was amazingly crappy.

Shanba, it seems that if you claim your results, we can force a win. SO...

[Guardian]

Waiting for Shanba.

[Guardian]

Shanba, previous choices? Now seems to be the time.

vote Skruffs

4 voting Shanba.

[Guardian]

i think that your using that as a reason to vote shanba is extremely flawed and heavily soaked in 'outguess the mod'.

i wouldn't have believed the mod would count my vote on sir tornado as a vote on dgb, i don't find it at all far from the realm of possibility the mod mean what she said, 24 hours max, and decided to cut it short of the max.

[Guardian]

god it was so freaking obvious mos and shanba since day two, lol.

anyways, I'd like to hear those results....

[Guardian]

unvote vote: Yvonne Seer

I want to give Shanba one more night and of the three scum possibilities, I know I'm not scum .

[Guardian]

from my pov, there is 1/14 chance Shanba is scum. seems like best play is to lynch {yvonne, me ,scot}

Why yvonne? Sir T and Sefer lurked uncharacteristically, sir T when otherwise active.

;P

[Guardian]

i thought ts replaced...

oh...

im not really paying attention.

[Guardian]

Yeah, I got confused, that whom she replaced, because even though the mod

counted my vote[/b] on Sir T for her, I never made the connection that Sir T was her.

:\. I dunno. In this case, scot ~= Yvonne for me.

unvote

Maybe I get a chance to read/care more after vacation.

[Guardian]

yu think I'm that careless as scum? lol, k.

[Guardian]

I explicitly unvoted TS because I thought it was highly likely that she was scum.

That seems like a weird reason to unvote someone. Care to explain guardian?

read my next post, where I meant to type un.... lol.




ckd, I still have it in my mind that dgb was some new player, not replacing sir t. I didn't make that connection when she replaced, didn't make it before I voted her, and didn't really make itnow.

she = sir tornado to you? she is completely different player to me.

[Guardian]

Hi. I'll be away on vacation starting tomorrow. I get bad vibes form Yvonne lynch, which seems statistically most probable of {Kinetic, Shanba, Yvonne}.

If Shanba has a guilty on someone, maybe have Kinetic prove himself? Dunno, dunno.

PS: I cannot be buddies with Kinetic. .

I look forward to reading when I get back.

[Guardian]

hi, at a hotel.

uhoh. this is going to be too hard for y'all to believe, but I am town.

either I am miller, or Shanba is tomorrow's lynch. I tend to believe the latter. good luck guys, if you manage not to lynch me by the time I get back home, I'll be impressed.

[Guardian]

I think that Guardian and CKD have shown themselves to be unambiguously pro-town, though vanilla

good place to start. anywhoo, happy new years, and peace.

[Guardian]

Kinetic:

I am town. If lynched, there is amiguousness tomorrow: was I miller, or is Shanba scum?

Because you, Kinetic, are not cleared. So no, we do not 100% have this.

I am lynched, and then Shanba claims a guilty on you tomorrow. Who do we believe? You should have pardoned TS.

[Guardian]

Oh, I think I see what you are missing. It was said miller won't be revealed as miller/townie as a distinction.

[Guardian]

Alright, your plan looks good -- it better be foolproof. I'm town.

We better win this ! Good luck.

[Guardian]

All I'm saying is make sure the plan works. I know Kinetic won't save me, he voted me. Sheesh, he didn't even save Ether, who deserved it much more.

[Guardian]

If I were a betting man, Yvonne is the last one. Just probability. I've looked over the plan, and it seems solid. No matter what excuse happens, if SHanba doesn't get an investigation of Kinetic in, he must be lynched.

Go town .

[Guardian]

Kelly, kill me already :\.

[Guardian]

• Right about Kinetic.
  
• Right about TS
  
• Right about Gorrad
  
• Right about Yos2
  
• Right about mass claim.
  
• Led the only non-forced scum lynch of the game.

I win .

Good job guys!

I still really disagree with TS being lynched, as a matter of policy. But whatever, we won .

[Guardian]

Yeah, scot.

I congradulate TSQ for killing Kison n1, good meta policy.

Thanx Kelly, and SL, btw!

[Guardian]

lol, I don't think I'm even counting this one .

I wouldn't have been lynched unless I was both randomly a miller AND lynching a townie still allowed for a *guaranteed* win.

[Guardian]

Open 19, a 12 player game, went longer than this.