Now, that's what I call an interesting race.
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6: Peers*(YagamiLight**, Erg0, hasdgfas*, Bookitty, Panzerjager, Setael, ABR)
6: Kscope(Zu_Faul**, Yosarian2***, schismatized, MoS***, TS, ABR)
3: MoS***(Kscope, IH, Peers*)
2: Quagmire***(Battle Mage, JordanA24)
1: Setael(Sir Tornado)
1: Bookitty(Quagmire***)
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Toaster Strudel wrote:UNOFFICIAL Vote Count: EBWOP
6: Peers*(YagamiLight**, Erg0, hasdgfas*, Bookitty, Panzerjager, Setael)
6: Kscope(Zu_Faul**, Yosarian2***, schismatized, MoS***, TS, ABR)
3: MoS***(Kscope, IH, Peers*)
2: Quagmire***(Battle Mage, JordanA24)
1: Setael(Sir Tornado)
1: Bookitty(Quagmire***)
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Take it up with Zu_Faul, Yosarian2, schismatized, MoS.IH wrote:How come EVERY GAME I'M IN WITH KSCOPE, he is wagoned for no reason, other than lurking or something stupid.
And stop complaining, there were plenty of good reasons to vote Quagmire, and you passed.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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What do you mean? BTW your vote tags didn't work.Erg0 wrote:Agreed. I already made this mistake once (ongoing game), I'm not doing it again.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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I agree, about MoS for sure. But since the MoS wagon stalled, I switched to KScope.IH wrote:There's alot better reasons to vote for Panzer or MoS.
I'll leave you to convince people to revive the MoS wagon, you can count on my vote. Good luck.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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There have been plenty of ideas, plenty of wagons, and equally plenty of derailments, and downright sabotage by you-know-who.Erg0 wrote:
I mean that I jumped onto Kscope wagon in almost identical circumstances in another large game, and he was town. He just seems to be an easy target for the town that runs out of ideas.Toaster Strudel wrote:
What do you mean? BTW your vote tags didn't work.Erg0 wrote:Agreed. I already made this mistake once (ongoing game), I'm not doing it again.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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Thank god. We're what, now? On page 52? Day 1... we're not wagonny enough. Thank god for players like ABR that keep this game alive. I'm not about to berate wagonny players. Not here, not now, not today, not in this game.Erg0 wrote:Albert's been extremely wagonny, even for him, so far.
Yeah, good job, you're voting, at deadline, for a player that has only your vote. That's so scummy, hiding off-wagon like that.Quagmire wrote:I'm on your side buddy. I'm voting for Bookitty.
Yeah, good job, you're voting, at deadline, for a player that has only your vote. That's so scummy, hiding off-wagon like that.Setael wrote:I think my #1 suspect right now is actually Panzer. So I'll go with that.
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If this town cannot be convinced that a player that needs to be brought to lynch minus one to read his role PM and may still be lying about it, wastes 2/3 of this interminable day 1 on a copycat policy vote (I hope you realize I'dErg0 wrote:Hence the phrase "run out of ideas". With all of the previous wagons failing, the town has implicitly consented to an easy lynch that most can feel comfortable with. I wonder how many of the people on the Kscope wagon would actually list him as their top suspect?never played with Quagmire before, so why he'd policy vote me, is anyone's guess), then wastes the rest of the day voting for a very rational player (Bookitty) who has, so far, played an intelligent, logical game, and maintains this absurd vote near deadline, a player that refuses to claim, refuses to answer questions from ANYONE, and that declares openly that he's "not playing" this game, well... let's face it, we're never going to lynch anyone.
And at some point, we have to cooperate. Since you all decided that Quagmire was too precious an asset to the game for us to spare, since there is resistence to an MoS lynch, since I can't seem to convince anyone that Yosarian2 is scummy... I'm cooperating with the rest of you, and, from the leftovers that our current bandwagons are, I chose Kscope, because *maybe* and I admit it's a long shot, he's being bus'ed. Do I really think we're lynching scum with Peers or Kscope? Chances are really slim. Is it pathetic? Absolutely. If we're going to lynch an iffy lurker, we might as well lynch an outright negative influence, such as Quagmire, but since some of you can't imagine this game going on without him, well, I'll cooperate with your wishes, and you can continue to enjoy the pleasure of his company until endgame if you wish.
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META on MoS:Bookitty wrote:MoS (I can't shake the thought that he always plays like this)
Cheerful (just a hint of cranky): Power role
Cranky (plain old cranky): Town
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8: Kscope(Zu_Faul**, Yosarian2***, schismatized, MoS***, TS, ABR, Peers*, Setael)
5: Peers*(YagamiLight**, Erg0, hasdgfas*, Bookitty, Panzerjager)
3: MoS***(Kscope, IH)
2: Quagmire***(Battle Mage, JordanA24)
1: Setael(Sir Tornado)
1: Bookitty(Quagmire***)
1: Panzer(Setael)
Boo, would you be willing to switch your vote to Quag? I would too, and that would bring Peers and Quagmire head to head at 4:4: - it would be interesting to see how the votes shift after that. Otherwise we'll be looking at a Kscope lynch, which is pretty loser in terms of the information we'll get from it tomorrow. It will be WIFOM-contaminated, because Kscope has been lurkerish, and no one really feels particularly strongly about the merit of the lynch. Lynching Quagmire will give us the clearest picture.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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6: Kscope(Zu_Faul**, Yosarian2***, schismatized, MoS***, Peers*, Setael)
5: Quagmire***(Battle Mage, JordanA24, Bookitty, TS, ABR)
4: Peers*(YagamiLight**, Erg0, hasdgfas*, Panzerjager)
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1: Bookitty(Quagmire***)
1: Panzer(Setael)
Bookitty, the question is open. I'm sick of hearing myself explaining the same things over and over again.
@ Peers: you can pick between Kscope and Quagmire, now, you have an extra option.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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Zu_Faul started the game with a random vote for me, followed by a vote for Sikario8.
Reason: "That's quite obvious. His vote was scummy as hell. Just when everyone called him out he voted on a bandwagon. "
Then he switches to Peers: "This post seems like a scum tell. Together with your other posts lately it's more like a scumscream, then a scumtell. How many to lynch peers?" But he never votes for Peers. He passes on the Jordan wagon, and votes Kscope ON NOVEMBER 30: "He did not post anything significant and did a bit of bandwagon jumping. "
Defends ABR, finds Sikario8 scummy, then makes a long post (mostly quotes from other players, zu_faul isn't verbose).
In this post, he berates TS, defends Yos, FOS's Bookitty, approves of MoS, FOS's Setael.
So... he posts very little, and sparingly, yet - there is a disprotionate amount of see-saw'ing and inconsistency that, frankly, strike me as leaning scum, rather than leaning town.
At the same time, while being all over the map, he's been voting for Kscope since NOVEMBER 30.
Also, his last post feels a little jumpy, especially considering he's not in jeopardy at the moment, and this town can't lynch anybody anyway.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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Ah, c'mon. The problem is you, not her. She's playing the game, she believes what she writes, she's not trying to anger you.Mastermind of Sin wrote:She is very much provoking me by persisting seemingly serious consideration that I would actually continue policy voting you this far into the game. I'm being baited into getting angry, which I've already done, and I've considered replacing out of this game entirely on numerous occasions, just because of the sheer ridiculousness of it all. She may do it in a calm manner, but she is very much provoking me.
Lynching Quagmire is a RETARDED idea? I mean, I would understand if you said that lynching Quagmire is not the best idea we could have, or maybe that there are better alternatives, or a better strategy but that's it's RETARDED? You've got to be kidding.MoS wrote:Then have some logic for it instead of just shouting randomly about Quagmire. I'm not the only person who thinks lynching Quagmire is a retarded idea, and we can't all be scum.
It's not retarded to lynch a player that doesn't play the game, refuses to claim and answer questions, policy votes (unlike you, MoS, Quagmire has never played a game with me, so his policy vote is very bizarre), then stubbornly sticks his vote off-wagon, and refuses to take a position on the dozens of aborted wagons we've had today.
"Retarded" is not the first word that comes to my mind when it comes to lynching that kind of player.
Hey! You're funny, suddenly. You're faking a power role? Hahahhhahahha.Mastermind of Sin wrote:You can strike #2. For someone who claims to have a good meta on me, you should know that #2 is impossible.
[joke]Why protect Kscope when we can bus Quagmire?[/joke]Mastermind of Sin wrote:[TS-logic]Also, gotta love how everyone tried to revive the Quagmire wagon after it became apparent Kscope was close to being lynched. I smell scumbuddies protecting him. Vote stays.[/TS-logic][i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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I don't think you're trying to "provoke" me. Not anymore, to be sure. It's behind us. But I still think you're scum in this game... can't help it, sorry.
The only problem with your reasoning, is that the Number One reason for a player not to cooperate, especially after he allegedly read his role PM, is that he's scum.MoS wrote:We don't gain any usable information from lynching Quagmire, and we can guarantee that he will read his role pm tonight, even if he hasn't yet. If he continues this same play Day 2, I will be right beside you in leading his lynch. But today is not the day. It's obvious that Quagmire isn't going to cooperate today.
I believe we'll get more solid information from lynching Quagmire, than from lynching K'scope, who you are voting for at the moment. That's my opinion.
And one thing is certain. In the off-chance that we may be lynching a townie, Quagmire would be the one with the least downside.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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This post makes me uneasy.hasdgfas wrote:Peers, you're still evading the question. Why doYOUthink he's scum? Not why does everyone else think he's scum, why do YOU think he's scum?
You're defending Quagmire again - indirectly, yes, but you are.
I note that you are currently voting for Peers, not Quagmire.
I do agree that there is merit in questioning Peers. However, for YOU to do it, given your history of defending Quagmire, and at this particular time in the game, is pretty scummy.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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I'd like to point this out, emphasis mine of course:hasdgfas wrote:
No,Albert B. Rampage wrote:When Quag almost got lynched you tried to stop it because you knew he was town. Then you try to frame Sikario for 'trying to set up a lynch', which is BULLSHIT that you've constructed.
Sikario said we lynch Quagmire iirc, because that person is scum. Whenever Quagmire is proven scum and dead, we move on to lynch his hasdgfas (iirc). Unless Sikario is bussing his partner Quagmire, the only person trying to set someone up is you.
Now die.I tried to stop itbecause it was a completely idiotic reason for lynching someone. And, in case you didn't notice, sikarioistrying to set up a lynch.He said that we should lynch QuagI'm not trying to "set someone up", I'm trying to scumhunt, which is hard when we're still stuck on quagmire and his role PM. Especially when people such as you and sikario will not give it up.next if Quag comes up scum. That is 100% setting up a lynch.and then me
I'm not voting for sikario right now, because the only thing I have on him is trying to set up a chain-lynch and the fact that he won't get off of the Quagmire thing.I'm still on Peers because I still think he's scum based on what was saidIf I see more suspicious stuff from sikario, I'll vote him, but right now, I don't want him lynched..about 15 pages ago[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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I understand, but I do hope that your timing causes me to worry.hasdgfas wrote:I'm still voting for Peers because I feel more comfortable with a Peers lynch than a Quagmire lynch. Of course I'm going to question him, even now, because he's still my top suspect. However, if it comes to the deadline, I will vote for Quag because after he supposedly read his role PM I haven't seen good play from him at all.
So... I'm going to examine every instance of you mentioning Peers.
Nov. 10:
You had to be ASKED to give a reason. The reason was:hasdagas wrote:ok. this bandwagon seems to have more behind it than the BM one. unvote, vote:peers
Consider you own SEMI-random vote on MoS. Interesting.hasdagas wrote:Although this has been said, the random phase is only the first few votes of the game, and even those aren't always random.
Those are pretty flimsy reasons, don't you think? They're good enough for the first pages of Day 1, so I'm not berating you for it.hasdagas wrote:IMO, you should at least try to defend yourself somewhat rather than saying "Oh no, a bandwagon on me. I hope I don't get too defensive and have people lynch me." I don't see that as a defense. It's more of a deflection.
He could at least try to show that he had a good reason for jumping on the bandwagon rather than making something up that he tried to make sound good. It seemed like just jumping on the bandwagon while trying to look as unsuspicious as possible.
Let's continue.
Nov 13: "I'm still not liking peers. See: everyone's posts about him."
Nov 16: "Peers, your "content" is not making me want to unvote you. I haven't seen a very good defense, so my vote stays. "
Nov 21: "Ok, the only things that I have time to say right now are that Peers's reactions have been iffy, and I don't like his "case" on neo-viper."
Dec 11: "I'm still on Peers because I still think he's scum based on what was said about 15 pages ago."
Dec 12: "You seem to agree with ABR a lot when it keeps suspicion off of you."
Dec 12: "Um, lashing out? I was making a comment about how Peers seems to follow ABR whenever he changes wagons to someone other than him, possibly so that he can prevent the suspicion from coming back onto him. I'm still voting for Peers because I still find him most suspicious., and that comment was one of them."Right now, I'm looking for ways to show that
Dec: 18: "we need more pressure on peers." "Peers will still be here tomorrow unless he's vigged or something." Then you briefly voted for me.
Dec 22: "Well, I'm fine with a Peers lynch or a TS lynch, and I have been for a while. I thought Peers needed more pressure until ABR pointed out that Peers had already claimed, so I switched to TS since she was another lynch I would have been fine with.'
Dec 28: "FOS Quagmire, FOS Shis. However, I still feel that Peers is scum. He has not done anything this game that has changed my mind on his alignment." Vote back on Peers.
I'm not to sure how to interpret the above regarding your alignment, but using your own reasoning, I find it strange that you are voting for Peers still, rather than Quagmire. It's as if you purposely want to ignore Quagmire, as much as you can get away with. I may be wrong, but that is the impression that you are projecting.
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OK for now.hasdgfas wrote:I'm not ignoring Quagmire. I feel that I have made my thoughts well known on him. But, if you want it again:
The role PM discussion was a time-waster even though he had no need to announce that at that time. Since he claims that he read his role PM, I haven't seen much of anything useful from him.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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Is there some danger to being part of that "group?" What are the consequences? What are you afraid of? Just curious.Panzerjager wrote:I don't want to be part of the group he looped under won't believe him anyway..[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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Hurry up, time is running out for you to save your buddy!
The fact that MoS-scum is attacking Peers in a last minute bid to try to save Quagmire's tutu is a hint that Peers might actually be town (though I wish he was acting town ) and that Quagmire might indeed be scum.
My meta on MoS in this game, is scum. Absolutely scum.
Yosarian (whom I also very much believe to be scum) is conveniently slipping out of the radar... way scummy folks... mark my words now in case I don't make it overnight... this is the SECOND time he makes himself scarce at a CRUCIAL time in the game.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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For posterity, here is what Yosarian2 has to say about Peers:
Nov 11: Yosarian meekly defends Peers against hasdagas.
Nov 15: Yosarian tells Peers: "Sounds like you're more worried about how your vote makes you look, instead of how you can use your vote to find scum."
Nov 20: Yosarian finds schis scummy for hopping on the Peers wagon: "...I don't like that you're apparently using that as one of your reason to join the large peers wagon. "
Nov 23: Yosarian warns Peers, when Peers explains he's playing à la ABR: "Um, except you know Albert does get lynched a lot, right?"
Dec 9: Answers questions that are addressed to Peers, and meekly attacks the person that wants answers directly from Peers.
Dec 18: In an attempt to cast aspersions on me, during my absence, and teaming up with hasdagas, "Might as well just lynch her now, rather then make the mod replace her so we can lynch the replacement."
And I believe that's it. It would be odd if he waltzed in now, and voted Peers. If he did, he'd have a lot of explaining to do. But he did say that push come to shove, he'd vote Quagmire, so that's in his favor. But then... that might be why he's lurking again, he doesn't want to have to keep his word and vote Quagmire...
What stands out here, to me anyway, other players might have different views, is that although Yosarian derails every wagon, and is too chicken to commit to a lynch, he seemed pretty gung-ho to get rid of me, when I wasn't around to defend myself.
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Going by gut only, and I hope I am being no fool, his reactions sounds awfully townie to me. I hate when that happens.Peers wrote:A Peers lynch will be bad for the town.
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I will add that if he were scum, Peers would unlikely selectively cast aspersions on only the already-scummy players. It doesn't sound like he's trying to jerk us around with an agenda that will cause it to scratch our heads in puzzlement for days to come.Peers wrote:Quad, MoS, and Setael are scum.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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Your question is: "Why do you find Quagmire scummy?" right?hasdgfas wrote:
but he still hasn't answered the question that has been posed to him by multiple different people.Toaster Strudel wrote:
Going by gut only, and I hope I am being no fool, his reactions sounds awfully townie to me. I hate when that happens.Peers wrote:A Peers lynch will be bad for the town. Quad, MoS, and Setael are scum. No proof, just hunch. Unfortunately, my death will be the proof...
Funny you should be so upset about Peers not answering question, when you seem to find little wrong with the same whem Quagmire does it.
Several times, earlier in the game, Quagmire CATEGORICALLY REFUSED to answer questions from ANY player.
But now, you, hasdagas, and MoS, have decided that Peers not answering a question about how scummy Quagmire is (do you get the irony here?) is worthy of adding, or keeping your vote/pressure on him.
Just pointing it out.
I think not lynching Quagmire would be a VERY LARGE STRATEGIC MISTAKE for this town.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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He's already said he's vanilla. What's his defense? He looks like a weak townie to me at this point.Setael wrote:This is about the 10th time this game he's said "A Peers lynch will be bad for the town."
The big difference, I see, at this point, between Peers and Quagmire is one of agenda. Peers, beyond saying that a Peers lynch "would be bad for the town" has not done anything particularly scummy has his wagon mounted. When he expressed suspicion, it was on a few players that are quite justifiably scummy.
Peers made no subtle analysis trying to distance from one player, buddy up to another... mixing up townie and scumbuddies as scum would... no. He just named the three most obvious scumbags on his wagon. That's a player that doesn't have an agenda.
Quagmire, on the other hand, has spent the whole game with an agenda. Not reading his PM is an agenda. Twinning MoS's policy vote (and again, I'd never played with Quagmire before, why would he policy vote me?) is an agenda. Refusing to answer questions is an agenda (though Peers is too lazy to answer one now, admittedly, not helping himself here). Note that Quagmire refused to asnwer the EXACT SAME kind of question, which is, "Do you think so-and-so is scummy?" Quagmire would not answer these questions either. Refusing to claim is an agenda. Voting Bookitty off-wagon is an agenda, allowing to switch his vote late on a wagon and make a difference. Maintaining this vote against all logic is an agenda.
What distinguishes the players on the Peers wagon from the players on the Quagmire wagon, is that the players on the Peers wagon appear to amplify anything that Peers do, and have a complete blind spot for Quagmire. Hasdagas, Setael, even Erg0, MoS, and Quagmire himself. Adn Zu_Faul to some extent.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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...and I forgot to mention Yosarian, who, has I pointed out earlier, has once again made himself scarce at a crucial moment.
Maybe he's going to have to pick between voting for a player who he knows is a townie, and an player who he knows is his buddy.
I want to watch this.
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And why not? Why weren't you as forceful?hasdgfas wrote:I didn't say that I found little wrong with him not answering the questions asked to him, I just wasn't as forceful in wanting him to answer questions.
The "enough other people" weren't enough to get Quagmire to actually answer the questions. That didn't bother you enough to add your voice to the chorus, or your vote for pressure?hasdgfas wrote:I still wanted him to answer questions, but it seemed like enough other people were asking him questions or telling him to answer the questions, unless I'm just remembering incorrectly. Did you find anyplace in my posts where I said that I didn't mind him not answering the questions?
No, you didn't say that you didn't minded Quagmire not answering the questions, mind the double negative. But as you surely know, "silence is acquiescence."
But you have, SEVERAL times, berated Peers from doing the same. And Erg0 (or was it Setael?) and MoS were also doing it. So... since other people were asking Peers to answer the question, why didn't YOU stop?
AND SERIOUSLY... why do you think Peers isn't saying WHY he finds Quagmire scummy? To cover up that he's scum? Why doesn't he start a whole case/rant against Quagmire? It would be in his own self-interestregardless of his alignment, so I believe that he is just a weak player, and an easy lynch, no matter why angle you want to take on it.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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Quagmire wrote:I have categorically refused to answer other questions that people have posed to me because I have no opinion on them, and if I do have an opinion on them, I would have either said it already or would have answered your questions. I don't have the time, patience, or desire to look through every single one of the posts that people request me to find and then force myself to have an opinion on them.
That's because you are simply not playing the game, and otherwise stubborn as a mule - in contrast, Peers is a wishy-washy weak player, an easy lynch.Quagmire wrote:Peers, meanwhile, has dodged the question, never explicitly stating that he doesn't want to answer it. It sounds like he's trying to grin, look nice, and change the topic. Not that there's really anything wrong with this at this juncture in the game, butthe two situations are completely different.[/b] Like I said, I'm only voting for peers to save my own ass and if still alive tomorrow will continue to pursue Bookitty.
YOU are answering NO questions whatsoever.
PEERS is not answering in long detail the ONE question of why he finds YOU scummy.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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That can't possibly be the reason. You policy-voted me without ever having played a game with me before.Quagmire wrote:See, this is why I policy vote you. You are not helpful to the town.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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There are only two votes on MoS, Peers has moved his vote.Shanba wrote:Vote Count:
7: Peers(YagamiLight, Erg0, hasdgfas, Panzerjager, MoS, Quagmire, Setael)
6: Quagmire(Battle Mage, JordanA24, TS, Bookitty, ABR, Peers)
3: Kscope(Zu_Faul, Yosarian2, schismatized)
3: MoS(Kscope, IH, Peers)
1: Setael(Sir Tornado)
Currently Peers will be the deadline lynch
MOD: What time is the deadline?
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MoS-scum, hasdagas-scum, and Setael-scum are really upset with Peers because Peers did not treat hasdagas's question: "Why do you think Quagmire is scummy" like an essay question, Peers only answered that it's pretty obvious from reading the game, and that was pretty much IT.
They seem to think that categorically refusing to answer any question at all, from anyone, and refusing to play the game, like Quagmire has been doing for the past 54 pages, is more pro-town.
I cannot understand that reasoning - the only explanation is that MoS, hasdagas and Setael are scum. I am beginning to deeply regret having softened up on hasdagas.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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See, problem is, the "reasons" why you prefer a Peers lynch sound contrived and largely fabricated.hasdagas wrote:TS: I didn't say that refusing to answer questions wasn't scummy. If you think that I am just going to go against my instincts, you are sorely mistaken. Just because I don't think exactly the same as you and don't spend the vast majority of my time talking about how Quag is scum doesn't mean that I'm ignoring Quag's actions. I would just prefer a Peers lynch to a Quag lynch right now.
Don't worry, I'll probably be nightkilled, so that I won't be there tomorrow to bore you about how scummy Quag is. You can play with him until end game. Enjoy your win, scumbags!
Yeah... will you ever forgive me? I can't believe I defended the guy. I soooo regret it now.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Told ya hasdgfas was scum.
But hey. Maybe we'll kill him tomorrow, after 3 months and another 55 pages.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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Sounds like you know this for a fact.Mastermind of Sin wrote:I'm almost tempted to vote Quagmire just to make TS apologize for being so damned hung up on him all dayafter spending the entire day derailing the town into focusing on him. But since voting for someone who does not look like scum isn't really useful, I won't.and then being wrong about him
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Flavor?Peers wrote:*sigh* This town sucks...
Lynching Peers is bad for the town because he's the freakin' Doctor. Get your votes off of him, willya?
*sigh*
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If he's the Doctor... the scum will take care of him.Erg0 wrote:
Remember this post from last week? This is exactly what I expected Peers to do, and it doesn't change my mind in the least.Erg0 wrote:I'm pleased that I'mfinallygetting my preferred Day 1 wagon for a change. I have a horrible feeling about what's going to happen at -1, though.
If Quagmire had claimed Doctor... even I would have unvoted Quagmire. If you can imagine that.
Who wants to lynch a claimed doctor on Day 1???
Is the alternative wagon, Quagmire, per chance, your scumbuddy? What other reason could there be to lynch the claimed Doctor?[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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He claimed townie way early in the game. Now near deadline lynched, he switched to Doctor. It makes sense; in any even, even if he's lying, the scum will kill him tonight, so that a lynch on him is a complete waste.IH wrote:Why did he claim townie and THEN doc?
We might as well let him draw the kill tonight, SO THAT THE SCUM DON'T GET LUCKY and KILL ANOTHER POWER ROLE.
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NO, I realize that you slipped up.Mastermind of Sin wrote:
You do realize that I set you up for that, right?Toaster Strudel wrote:
Sounds like you know this for a fact.Mastermind of Sin wrote:I'm almost tempted to vote Quagmire just to make TS apologize for being so damned hung up on him all dayafter spending the entire day derailing the town into focusing on him. But since voting for someone who does not look like scum isn't really useful, I won't.and then being wrong about him
And who would know this for a fact? Scum, that's who.
Let's lynch some scum.
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Wow! Your second post.Sir Tornado wrote:unvote
Vote KScope
An unexplained vote.
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Who cares? His actions remind me of one. It's not like my saying that is going to lead to a SirTornado lynch... We really should kill you tomorrow.hasdgfas wrote:Why are we mentioning a Serial Killer before we've had a night?
Anyway... I won't miss Kscope. Maybe you'all are right... looks like he's given up, that's a good sign. But just in case:
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I'd like to thank hasdagas for hammering kscope without letting him claim. Kscope turned out to be a power role, when we could have instead tested the alignment of a totally useless vanilla claimant like Quagmire.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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For the record, I thought each letter represented the first letter of a role in the game. For instance, there are 4 "W" which I thought to signify 4 werewolves. WithToaster Strudel wrote:
Since you're in a mind to speculate, why do you think the name of the game isPeers wrote:Personally, I think if there's only four scum, then we've got a huge number of vanilla townies. Maybe two power roles at most. I think it's more likely that there's five scum and four power roles. I've been in a six-scum 19-player game, but that was two mafias in a no-cross-kill game, so I don't think we've got that many. Four or five makes the most sense...?NEGWLTWWWTKYasons andMailkeepers I have to reckon I supposed wrong.J
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Peers is extremely dodgy and I don't buy his claim. However, if he's scum, as long as he's alive, he can't kill a claimed cop. If and when the cop dies, we might have to kill Peers. We have to keep a close eye on his voting pattern.
Players I'm willing to vote for today:
Panzer (who rushed to lynch Kscope in a way that prevented him to claim)
hasdagas (who rushed to hammer Kscope in a way that prevented him to claim)
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Players I'm not willing to vote for today:
ABR (I totally believe the claim)
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Doctors should not reveal their preferred target, in general. If they do, it reduces the chances that they will prevent a kill, because the scum will purposely avoid that target in the future.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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It seems that the players have decided that Quagmire is essential to the game, and his contribution is so invaluable that the game might just fall apart if we lynch him, and we absolutely need him at end game. I decided that I will not say another word about Quagmire.zu_Faul wrote:TS, don't you want to lynch Quagmire anymore? If no, why not?
You all want to keep him forever, you can have him.
Of course, but we don't lynch without giving the player a chance to claim. Considering how wishy washy we've been with Quagmire, including players like hasdagas, it's ironic that we ended up speedlynching a player at the eleventh hour, without giving him an opportunity to claim.zu_Faul wrote:
Hypocrisy. You were calling for a lynch almost all of Day 1.TS wrote:Players I'm willing to vote for today:
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Kscope did not turn out to be mafia/werewolf. Your question is a red herring.hasdgfas wrote:TS: If I and Panzer had done the same with less than 7 hours to go before deadline on someone who hadn't posted in the same amount of time as Kscope and had turned out to be mafia/werewolf when we killed them, would you be making such a big deal over the quick voting? I honestly had lost count of the votes. I thought he was at 7-8 rather than 9. Have you ever lost count of the votes on someone?
We were at deadline. It doesn't matter whether you actually hammered him.
What matters is that you brought him so far ahead of the competing wagon that even if he claimed Cop, there was not enough time to retrieve votes from his wagon, and instead lynch Quagmire, who'd merely claimed vanilla.
Remember how bloody careful you were trying to save Quagmire's tutu? You threw all caution to the wind to save his tutuagainwhen it looked like he was going to be deadline lynched after all.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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Wrong.hasdgfas wrote:Right,
There was no reason for you and Panzer to add an extra vote what would make it more difficult for us to start retracting vote in case he claimed, say, jailkeeper. He was already the leader, and he was going to be lynched. If he had time to claim jailkeeper, then maybe only 3 votes instead of 5 would have needed to be retracted for Quagmire to be lynched instead of Kscope.hasdgfas wrote:...it doesn't matter because he already had more votes than Quagmire and we have no way of knowing whether or not enough people would have unvoted kscope in time for us to lynch Quag or anyone else.
I am especially irked because when I saw what the both of you were doing, I PM'd the mod to make sure he prodded Kscope pronto, in addition to leaving a bold mod note in the thread. He had to be notified that he was near being lynched.
But thanks too you, the mod came, counted the votes, and found Kscope already lynched.
You've derailed his first wagon yesterday. You also derailed his second wagon, and cost us a power role to boot. So you haven't only tried to save him, you have been twice succesful in saving him.hasdgfas wrote:Also, just because I disagree with you about Quagmire's actions doesn't mean I'm "trying to save him."[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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The answer to your red herring/rhetorical question is "Yes" - what you did was scummy no matter the outcome. AT BEST - it was painfully bad town play. At best.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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He wasn't dayvigged. So, clerical error, obv.Shanba wrote:Peers,also killed Night 1Doctor,[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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^^^^^
You guys are soooo right - Quagmire is so town, it makes my eyes bleed. He's so refreshingly straightforward, so guilelessly honest, so extremely solicitous, so hellbent on finding scum despite the rest of us trying to put sticks in the spokes of his wheels. He wouldn't, say, try to build a case (or be too lazy to) against one of the most logical and useful players in this game like Bookitty, I mean, himself! Noooooo...
He cannot possibly be scum! Perish the thought! Scum wouldn't do what he's doing, it's unheard of!
vote: Quagmire
Ooooops! I already broke my promise. Sarcasm aside... he's right about one thing... this game IS annoying. We've got scum right there staring us in the eye and jerking us around, and we won't lynch it. The word "Jester" comes to mind, it's so ridiculous.
You guys can spend another 50 pages trying to save his scummy behind if you want.
Have me prodded if you need me.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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Toaster Strudel Mafia Scum
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I don't actually think he's a Jester. Just plain ole'scum.Setael wrote:If you think he's the Jester, why are you voting him?[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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If you already made a case against Bookitty, why did you post this:Quagmire wrote:This game is annoying.
Maybe I'll put forth the effort to rebuild a case against bookitty, and maybe I won't. We'll see in the next few days.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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Toaster Strudel Mafia Scum
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Ah, yeah. Missed it.zu_Faul wrote:Notice the "re" in front of "build" TS.
Not directed at you and Setael in particular, in fact, more towards hasdagas and Panzer, whose hasty, poorly thought out votes cost us a power role, and deprived us of a Quagmire lynch.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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Toaster Strudel Mafia Scum
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Indeed, but which one? Please choose.Setael wrote:I think hasdfgas or Panzer would both make a good lynch today.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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