Open 35: Big Love - Game over!

[ryan]

Sarcastro's last comment was a little fishy as he admitted to lurking (which means he was reading along) I would have rather him say he admitted to not participating (that would have made more sense) I'm gonna keep my vote on him for now

[ryan]

It's called a list of suspects Fonz.

[ryan]

Sorry, everyone,

but I'm going to need to be replaced

. For the record, I've been neglecting all of my games recently, in case anybody's advocating my lynch based on my admittedly horrible lurking.

Here ya go

[ryan]

Dead (5):
-somestrangeflea, Townie (lynched Day 1, page 51)
-Sir Tornado, Lover of Adel (shot Night 1, page 51)
-Adel, Lover of Sir Tornado (committed suicide Night 1, page 51)
-JordanA24, Townie (lynched Day 2, page 66)
-d3sisted (replacing darko), Townie (shot Night 2, page 66)


(These are all on page 1 in case you were wondering)

[ryan]

So are you being replaced or not? You said you were unwatching this topic yet now you post?

[ryan]

Why don't you just hang around and continue playing than?

[ryan]

You are STILL posting though Guardian, so obviously you still care, hang around help us finish this game and find the scum.

[ryan]

I'm really surprised you are a quitter Guardian, I thought you were a better player than that.

[ryan]

You are QUITTING, there is no difference, a quitter is a quitter and YOU are a quitter. SEE YA

[ryan]

Guys, I am sorry for any drama/feelings/whatever I have caused.

In addition to whatever reasons I may have,

I legitimately don't have time to be in 6 games right now

; it is a drain on my social and academic life. I do need a replacement in at least a few of my games, and this game just happens to be one of those.

I apologize for the inconvenience.

Why didn't you just say this in the first place instead of blaming your depature on people suspecting you/playstyle?

[ryan]

Wasn't Yogurtbandit replaced? (I see his name in the not voting category) I'm just trying to make sure I've got it straight who's here and who isn't here.

[ryan]

Jalyn/skruffs - I haven't gotten a good read on.. Not even enough to read up on. I think I posted more then them. (I doubt it's lurking, more like inactive)

Ergo - My vote for the John Kerry award. At the start of my read, I thought he was possible mafia. Now, I'm not sure. He seems pretty willing to try go find mafia. Something's missing there. Hey, I like wearing flip-flops during the summer also.

Slight FOS: Ergo

Numenorean7 - Nice Guy (Thanks for giving me time to re-read and such) But have a ton of suspicion of him. Not really hunting for mafia, and I think he tries to win the people over with his sexy charm

FOS: Numenorean7

Ryan - This one was the best to re-read. It's quite amazing that you were able to deflect EVERYTHING towards you. Changed gears from day 1 to day 2. And you're a wagon jumper. I feel as if you're the most scummiest of all.

BIG TIME FOS (hence the caps ): Ryan

PEG/Zindaras - I feel as if they're the mafia hunters of this game so far.

Scared - Of the whole reread, I haven't notice you say ANYTHING of importance.

FOS: Scared

LML - I want him to post more before I cast judgment on him. I'm not playing Scarcastro, I'm playing LML.

Nabakov/The Fonz/Ether - I feel are all town.

Xdaamno - Lurker... Don't quite trust him. Not going to really fly under the radar the whole game do ya? Especially when I just did a re-read of this whole freaking game.

FOS: Xdaamno

Take this for what it's worth... After this re-read my head is spinning worse then a drunk schoolgirl at her prom. Peace love and turtle doves.

What wagon's have I jumped on?

[ryan]

What wagon's have I jumped on?

Sorry, I had you on my notes as someone whom jumped on the Jordan wagon. My apologies.

Not a problem, just wanted to make sure you had the facts correct.

[ryan]

FoS: Everyone on the Darko easywagon. YB/Skruffs, Jailyn/Fernando, Guardian / ManaSpryte, Ryan

Ryan never voted for him D1, but he levied a "Strong FoS"

Out of the 5 listed (including Num, from last post), I believe, just within reading pages 1-10, we have 2 scum here.

So I send a Strong FoS and I get nailed for it, but the others who actually voted on the wagon don't? That's rather strange.

[ryan]

Actually it wasn't overly defensive, it was a question directed toward you. You read 1/3 of the game (as you said) and pounce on me for a FoS yet not a vote. I have no problems explaining when I vote on somebody that ends up town and giving my reasoning but when I'm voted for not being on a wagon of course I'm going to come out and ask for some sort of clarification. Wouldn't you?

[ryan]

If you would have crusaded on me for a FoS that wasn't a vote on a townie than I'll be interested for your continued read as this hasn't just happened on me, the FoS's have been flying around this game since we started. Being non-commital is not a scum tell, I was being cautious and how that can be deemed as scummy is beyond me. You yourself said we have been playing poorly this game, so me being cautious is a bad thing? I disagree, as I'd rather have a cautious player than one that just drops votes and helps to further wagons on players allowing the scum to hammer.

[ryan]

Erg0: As to me changing my playstyle, if you look at any of my other games I am normally aggressive in my approach to these games but I have been a little more cautious here as my aggression has gotten me lynched (as a townie) alot on day 1 or day 2, so I guess I've tried to take all the evidence into consideration when making my vote selections instead of just hopping on the easiest wagon.

[ryan]

ManaSpryte: You have 2 votes currently, why the panic?

[ryan]

Erg0: Where have I not answered questions that were posed to me? I've answered everything I've been asked (unless I missed something somewhere) I haven't carelessly thrown my vote around, I've questioned players I've had suspicions of and I think I've done a pretty good job of scum hunting (even if we as a town haven't found one yet) I'm not sure how my votes didn't have impact or where you are going with that. I suppose I could accuse you of being somewhat non-commital when it comes to this game as well though couldn't I?

[ryan]

So you're saying I'm the only one who's votes haven't had meaning to the lynch? I disagree with that, do I dare bring up Guardian jumping from person to person to wagon to wagon? I haven't been the only one who's had votes out there that didn't have "impact" on a lynch. I guess since we've eliminated only townies so far I don't understand your argument. Now if there was a big wagon on somebody who turned out scum and I wasn't on it than I could see how you could argue I was trying to save my scum partner, but this argument just doesn't make sense to me. You're basically saying that anyone who isn't on the right wagon is scummy, and that isn't true.

[ryan]

No, he's not basically saying that at all.

Why don't you shut up and let him talk for himself, thanks.

[ryan]

I feel being cautious IS townie like, why throw your vote on just anyone? Scum throw out bandwagons hoping to get something to stick and get other townies to believe them (kinda like your argument on me) I didn't distort anything from anyone, I asked for clarification from ERG0, NOT you, you just pop up every week or so to spout off nothing about anyone in the game but

"Ryan is scum, I said so, I am god, believe me"

Hell you've done the exact same thing Sarcastro did before he was replaced. You've done zero scum hunting, you've attacked me the entire time (as Sarcastro did to Jordan and we know how that turned out don't we?) since you've replaced in and your a pain in the ass. You don't like that I'm not aggressive with my vote, FINE, but look at your play before you sit back acting all high and mighty on your "I am such a great mafia player" Do me a favor and FUCK OFF. Just in case I wasn't clear, your playstyle of lurking and posting on subjects that don't concern you is obvious and tiring.

[ryan]

Good wording, bad arguments. 'Scum throw out bandwagons hoping to get something to stick and get other townies to believe them (kinda like your argument on me)' kinda stuff just seems like you're twisting his words when I read it.

No that's an opinion I was stating

[ryan]

Obviously. My problem was it was presented as a fact, however.

Well I guess isn't that how it goes? Scum go find somebody, state a case/throw out a name and hope the other townies go along?

Mod edit
Votecount:

Erg0 (1): Zindaras
ryan (2): The Fonz, LoudmouthLee
LoudmouthLee (1): ryan
ManaSpryte (3): Sacred, Numenorean7, Ether

Not voting (7): Xdaamno, Skruffs, Jalyn, pickemgenius, Erg0, ManaSpryte, NabakovNabakov.

With 14 alive it's 8 to lynch.

[ryan]

Obviously. My problem was it was presented as a fact, however.

Well I guess isn't that how it goes? Scum go find somebody, state a case/throw out a name and hope the other townies go along?

So... you're claiming scum?

Where the heck am I claiming scum? Are you reading along or accusing along?

[ryan]

Why is the town sitting in awkward silence here?

We're missing some players comments and content, that to me is one of the reasons.

[ryan]

Ether: ManaSpryte is scum.
Everyone else: ...
Two days later, everyone else: ...so how 'bout them Iowans?
Ether: Ahem. ManaSpryte is still scum. Let us contemplate the scumminess of ManaSpryte.
Ryan: Pity no one

else

is doing it.

Is this a misrepresentation? Of you

or

of the town as a whole?

I'm not sure about ManaSpryte, I was so darn sure Guardian was town earlier but the quick exit that he did and constant wagon jumping has made me a little skeptical on his innocence. ManaSpryte really hasn't done anything townie like since the replacement. I can't say I endorse a lynch of ManaSpryte at this time but I'm willing to listen to reasoning for the lynch.

[ryan]

But you have to remember that Mana's case is also one against Guardian since that is who he replaced in for and I know Guardian had suspicion on him before he took off like a bat out of hell from the game.

[ryan]

Ether: You have a couple of candidates right now (Xdaamo and Mana) do you believe both are scum? I guess I haven't seen Xdaamno as scummy so far and am looking for why you've mentioned a Xdaamno wagon.

[ryan]

Not what I meant, I just assumed that you mentioned Xdaamno at that moment as an acceptable compromise because I had indicated that I thought him scummy. It was meant as a counter-point to ryan and Mana, who seemed to be implying that you were just randomly throwing out names - I almost had the impressio nthat they hadn't noticed my post or were wilfully ignoring it. I hadn't actually gone back to check if you'd mentioned him previously, but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt until I did so.

I never said he was randomly throwing out names, I asked for clarification on why those names were chosen.

[ryan]

Ero: I was asking Ether's comments on Xdaamno not yours, I saw your opinions on Xdaamno but I was interested in if/why Ether believed Xdaamno and Mana were scum partners as I didn't see Xdaamno to be scummy up to this point.

[ryan]

Skruffs: Just so you know Guardian=ManaSpryte now.

[ryan]

(As in, it's the other way around.

Still happier killing Xdaamno independently

.)

Can you explain what you mean by that?

[ryan]

unvote

My vote was on Sarcastro (due to his non helping of the town) Apparently leaving it on LoudmouthLee hasn't encouraged him to talk so I'm going to look elsewhere for now, but am going to keep my eye on him (to see if he actually talks, ha) For now I'm interested in the Xdaamno/Ether conversation. I didn't see alot of scummy tendencies from Xdaamno nor Ether but the exchange right now is peaking my interest on Xdaamno as a potential scum. I'm gonna go look back through and see if I missed anything on Xdaamno, but as Ether stated, we have quite a few that need prodded and reminded of the game.

[ryan]

EBWOP: Once again, ryan, you haven't provided

any

reasons whatsoever why you find me so scummy, like every other player that has attacked me in the last 10 pages (save bookitty in that last post).

While I'm usually not particularly bothered when people call gut on me, I get the feeling this 'wagon' is artificial.

I haven't even voted you Xdaamno, all I said was that I'm interested in the reasoning that you are scum. The exchange between you and Ether is interesting and I'm looking to see if two townies are disagreeing or if we have a scum in that exchange.

[ryan]

Part 6 in the series...

Xdaamno

In the early game, he has a lot of posts containing points on theory but not many opinions on specific players. Kind of wishy-washy in his 6th post when he gives rundowns on 4 players, first solid suspicion is of Sarc in 19 (agreeing with NabNab), still only an IGMEOY. Roundup in post 24, still no particularly strong suspicions (only really seems to dislike Sarc). Eventually votes Sarc in 31 despite not having a particularly strong case against him (2nd vote on Sarc when the biggest wagon (Guardian) had 3). Says he realised he was coming across as being too conservative. Goes back into theory discussion right after this. Says in 40 that his suspicion of Sarc is dimming. Meanders around for a while longer, thinks flea is scummy then likes him again, thinks Guardian is scummy. Votes Jordan at the last minute on day 2 when it's clear he'll be the lynch.

NabNab calls him out for lurking at the start of day 3, which I completely agree with based on my read to this point. Xd's defence regarding hunting scum while staying out of the way would only be valid if he were actually hunting scum. All he's done so far is say "I find this guy scummy, but I could be wrong". The classic "we disagree, but let's leave it at that" post (112) isn't far behind. He starts to become a little more aggressive in his posting after this, which I'm sure isn't a coincidence.

Xdaamno is a little like ryan in that he seems to be playing very cautiously - he just got away with it for longer before being called out. I'd put him o nequal footing with ryan as a scum candidate at this point.

Xdaamno, you are presented with charges of playing cautiously, being wishy-washy, and not being agressive.

How do you plead?

LOL, but honestly those are some good questions.

[ryan]

Xdaamno: Maybe this has been asked of you and I missed your answer but who in your opinion is the best person to lynch today and why?

[ryan]

Xdaamno: Maybe this has been asked of you and I missed your answer but who in your opinion is the best person to lynch today and why?

This is just stirring things, and you know it.

It's asking a fair question

[ryan]

Care to answer it yourself?

ManaSpryte and Xdaamno are two that strike me as possible scum, but I don't feel I have enough to place a vote at this time. There are also people in this game who aren't actively involved in discussion that also smell of possible scum too.

[ryan]

Okay, some generalised thoughts on some of my top suspects. I've already done one of these for ManaSpryte/Guardian, so this time I'll go with Ryan. (No promises on how soon I'll be done with these, but I thought I'd start now.)

I don't find his early defence of Guardian particularly scummy. It's odd, but it doesn't seem insincere. What does ring false is his willingness to give Guardian a chance because he might be a townie, paired with his lack of tolerance for Darko (who did turn out to be a townie, as it happens). He does call out YogurtBandit which is something I would have done.

I don't like the metagaming. I didn't like it when it was done to Ryan, and I didn't like it when he did it either. I don't think it's useful, and I think that games should be played within their own threads, not in the general arena. Metagaming, taken to its logical conclusion, ends up with people reporting on the fact that I had linguini last night, therefore I must be Mafia -- I'm kidding, obviously, but I just don't see a useful point to it. And if you do it, then expect others to do it.

Ryan posted, "If a scum player wants to stay under the radar he/she would post less, not add any content and keep out of spotlight of others." And his next six posts were one or two lines, added little content, and seemed to be redirecting the spotlight elsewhere, in my opinion.

The interchanges with The Fonz don't do anything to make me think he's pro-town. Quite the reverse. While both town and scum might be defensive, town tends to defend directly, not attack in return, and especially not attacking without any substantive reply. And his accusation of Adel (also a townie) looks strange in retrospect as well.

His argument with Guardian about "you're happy two townies are dead!?!" looks forced and looks like distancing. He's tunnel-vision focused on Guardian. There may as well not be any other scum, because Guardian is the only one Ryan cares about. Ryan also gets really upset at Guardian for being a quitter, far more than seems justified. A later exchange with Guardian's replacement ManaSpryte also seems forced and "distancing" to me.

Finally, and more theoretically, Ryan had real issues with SirTornado. And SirTornado ended up a nightkill. As I said, this is just my theory, but Ryan fits that theory pretty well.

There is more, of course, due to the length of the game, but these are the main reasons I think ManaSpryte (formerly Guardian) and Ryan are likely scumbuddies. As always, I may be wrong.

Let me respond to a few of your accusations

1) I'm not sure how me not jumping on the early Guardian wagon shows that I'm not sincere about giving a townie a chance to speak. Have you not played games where a townie wasn't given a chance to speak and lynched? I felt at the time that Guardian was having one of those "days" and deserved a chance to speak instead of having people immediately vote him off, I thought that was fair, apparently not?

2) As for the exchange between me and The Fonz, you are generalizing how town act and how mafia act instead of how a player acts. Just because I've been defensive toward The Fonz doesn't make me any scummier than anyone else. I don't appreciate his playstyle on going after one person and not looking into possibilites on anyone else, to me it feels like scum hanging on one person so as not to look like a bandwagoner on somebody else who's lynched and comes up scum.

3) I've been here since the beginning of the game and as many pages as we are currently in of course I'm going to be upset with quitters. Guardian was somebody who at least posted consistently (unlike others who are currently playing) so I was pissed that he bailed on the game for very trivial reasons (his reasoning for leaving was bogus in my opinion)

4) What issues did I have with Sir Tornado? Sorry but I don't remember those. Also I find it interesting that you would point out a problem I had with somebody who was nightkilled when there are plenty of people who have been on wagons of confirmed townies as well.

You do make a point of being a little bit of a hypocrite when you rip on Xdaamno for making the statement

"He's on my IGMEOY list, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's town, admittedly

but yet in post 1982 you say "I still think ManaSpryte and Ryan are probably scum. But I'm pretty sure Xdaamno must be." That's about as wishy washy as Xdaamno has been don't ya think?

[ryan]

You do make a point of being a little bit of a hypocrite when you rip on Xdaamno for making the statement

"He's on my IGMEOY list, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's town, admittedly

but yet in post 1982 you say "I still think ManaSpryte and Ryan are probably scum. But I'm pretty sure Xdaamno must be." That's about as wishy washy as Xdaamno has been don't ya think?

I'll address your numbered points in a later post. But I will address this last one now.

Saying that I find two people very scummy and a third one even more scummy than the previous two, and showing possible links between the three, is not wishy-washy or hypocritical. It's productive investigation. It presents the evidence I have found, and opens up possibilities for others to disagree and to evaluate it independently.

I could be wrong. That's always a possibility, when working with limited knowledge and deciphering clues. But I definitely DO think that you, ManaSpryte (Guardian) and Xdaamno are all scumbuddies, based on deceptive and/or noncommittal posts. I'm asserting that as my theory, quite bluntly, nothing wishywashy about it.

I've explained my reasoning and if you want to attack that, great, but making vague allegations of hypocrisy that don't even make sense when examined... not so great.

Let me make this as clear as I can.

1) You said Xdaamno was wishy washy and non committal in his thoughts and content yet you JUST said that "probably" and "I might be wrong" how is that not wishy washy? That leaves you room if anyone comes up town that you vote to say "well I wasn't 100% sure" THAT to me is wishy washy

[ryan]

Listen, my argument is this, I'd rather have somebody give their evidence on somebody (which you have) and say, with this evidence I've provided I'm positive that *insert name* is scum. At least than you (or whoever) can't go back and say "well I was never really sure on *insert name* being a scum. That's all I was saying. I'm not trying to cloud, deceive or distance from anyone, I am not Xdaamno's scum buddy and as I said earlier he is on my short list for my vote here on Day 3.

[ryan]

Bookitty: I'm not sure if those are serious issues, disagreements, yes, but I don't see anything particularly damning in those responses that were going to get me lynched and hence why I would have wanted him dead (if I was scum, which I am not) Part of your evidence (my reaction) you presented against me even you have said you might be wrong about, and that is actually how I lost my only game playing as a town, my reactions were seen as scummy and I was lynched. It's a good learning experience here to know that reactions can't be seen and can be taken the wrong way if you aren't careful how you word things.

[ryan]

ryan's failure to respond to my half-joke backs up my theory :/

I'm sorry Xdaamno, I was responding to Bookitty's post. Your joke was hilarious, wrong, but hilarious.......is that better?

[ryan]

Sorry Xdaamno, I guess I figured reading it back through and seeing the Razz smiley face you proved it was absurd

Mod edit
Votecount:

ryan (2): The Fonz, LoudmouthLee
ManaSpryte (2): Numenorean7, Jalyn
Xdaamno (5): Ether, Erg0, NabakovNabakov, Skruffs, Bookitty

Not voting (5): Xdaamno, pickemgenius, ManaSpryte, ryan, Zindaras.

With 14 alive it's 8 to lynch.

[ryan]

However you want to slice it Xdaamno your comment is pointless, absurd and not true.

[ryan]

Xdaamno: You made a silly comment on me as the pressure/votes were starting to mount on you. You're trying to deflect stuff off of you onto me. I'm not going to give you an out Xdaamno, you're under suspicion (rightfully) changing your stance to attack me for not commenting on your pointless joke is just plain stupid and you know it. Quit dragging this on.

[ryan]

IF it's a joke than why are you still bringing it up? Why are you saying it's interesting I didn't respond? WHY are you still badgering it?

[ryan]

Why are you so afraid of him, Xdaamno?

Either you're winding me up, or you truly are 'stupider' than I thought

That's your BEST argument?

[ryan]

I have no idea what Xdaamno and ryan are doing.

It's inexplicable.

On a related note, what does distancing smell like, pickemgenius?

Eh? That seems like a pretty extreme thing to call it.

[ryan]

Well, complaining about other people talking doesn't exactly instigate new conversation, Bookitty. I mean, saying "That isn't helpful', isn't being helpful, either, it's just saying someone else isn't doing a good enough job to warrant being considered, in your eyes, as helpful. But that doesn't mean it isn't helpful.

Maybe Xdaamno is just trying not to piss people off, because he's the vote leader right now. I said I could be wrong.

Unvote, Vote : Ryan

Your reasoning for voting me again was? You don't even bring me up in this paragraph but lay a vote on me?

[ryan]

Well, if you were just posting an observation, why did he overreact so?

I don't know why he overreacted, why did you vote?

[ryan]

Well, if you were just posting an observation, why did he overreact so?

I don't know why he overreacted, why did you vote?

Who, me? You're saying

I

overreacted? I made an observation, you blew the point up -_-

I quoted Skruffs point therefore I was making the statement/question to him.

[ryan]

I demand to know why Skruffs is not voting Xdaamno.

Ryan is a much better vote. I demand to know why you aren't voting Ryan.

Ladies and gentleman welcome back, our favorite LURKER. Nice to see you return with zero reasoning and zero content.

[ryan]

You're accusing ME of providing no content? Pot, meet kettle. I've already disproven your lurker allegations. You'll just come out with any old BS, won't you? I've provided inummerable reasons for finding you scum, and others have added to them- how that can be classed as no content is beyond me. I am convinced you are scum, want you dead, and will not settle for any other wagon at this stage. End of.

Congrats to you and your extremely narrow minded scum hunting, you are wrong AGAIN and consider to prove your thick head by not listening to other cases on other players, you are an idiot. End of story.

[ryan]

What is funny is that there are currently 5 people not voting, yet you single me out? Real nice jackass. I'm currently between Xdaamno and ManaSpryte as for who deserves to be lynched today and would rather see more from ManaSpryte before I lay a vote.

[ryan]

No that is NOT a false statement Fonz, it's truth, you come at me for not voting yet say nothing to the others? I find that rather strange. And how is it scummy to not be voting? Explain that. I don't want a townie lynched Fonz, maybe you do? I'd like to hear more from ManaSpryte on the accusations that have been presented toward him before I vote.

[ryan]

Okay, at work, saw that my post last night didn't go through. Glad I saved it on my home word processor.

Expect it.

When?

[ryan]

? Explain that. I don't want a townie lynched Fonz, maybe you do?

Nope. I want you lynched.

Do you respond to anything else in this thread besides me? I mean honestly dude, it's almost stalker like and rather frightening, possibly a hobby to tide you over?


Mod: What's the latest on ManaSpryte?

[ryan]

Dude, do you not get how scumhunting works? You read through, and find another player to be more suspicious than the rest. You then push that player's lynch until a) he's dead, b) you're dead, or c) something happens that makes you think either he isn't so scummy anymore, or someone else does something even scummier. It's clearly preferable (for town) to your 'talk to everyone, but don't actually take a firm position on

anything

strategy.'

Are you still bellowing? I like to gather information from everyone and see if any slip-ups occur, you seem to like to lazily pick one person, attack and than sit in the corner pouting until everyone follows your lead. I'd rather find information from everyone and make an educated decision from that, maybe you should give that a try sometime?

[ryan]

I don't find you suspicious at the moment, Ether. Generally speaking I don't find people vocally pushing bandwagons to be suspicious. I would guess it would feel risky and a little too visible for scum. I do find that usually some of the bandwagon followers are scum hiding in the wagon, and my comments were more in the nature of telling people to make their own arguments for their votes, rather than trusting in yours to justify themselves.

I'm more perplexed with why Xdaamno is desperately clinging to my one little vote. Seems odd.

Probably because that currently puts him in the lead to be lynched at deadline Bookitty, but I did also find that a little strange

[ryan]

Vote: ManaSpryte

I really thought Guardian was a townie and than he dropped his very abrupt exit and his replacement hasn't done anything to explain why his predecessor would do that. I'm going to place a vote with an eye on Xdaamno (I'm not sure I totally understand his vote on Erg0)

[ryan]

"It looks like this is a pro-town playstyle for ryan after all, because I'm scum in 466 and I know he's pro-town?"

Is "I couldn't have defended Ryan earlier without coming out as scum in 466, so I had to, like, vote him until we got his alignment in that game, then drop him when his alignment

did

come up and never look back," a bad translation for this?

I never pushed for a lynch based on ryan's defensiveness, but on his defense of Darko.

But as I said last night, it now seems getting angry when he's attacked is just a weakness of ryan's, not (necessarily) a scumtell. Since one of the major components of my case has been cast into doubt, I think it prudent to

Unvote

Since that was a major part of my case against him, I didn't feel comfortable on his wagon anymore.

Oh, really.

You, Ryan and Xdaamno all need more dying.

Why do I all of a sudden need dying?

[ryan]

Ether: I read the above paragraphs

[ryan]

Ether: I don't remember alot of suspicion from you on me except for the last few pages either.

Mod edit
Votecount:

ryan (3): The Fonz, LoudmouthLee, Skruffs
ManaSpryte (3): Numenorean7, Jalyn, ryan
Erg0 (1): Xdaamno
Numenorean7 (3): Ether, Bookitty, Erg0

Not voting (4): pickemgenius, ManaSpryte, Zindaras, NabakovNabakov.

With 14 alive it's 8 to lynch.

[ryan]

Could we get an updated vote count please?

[ryan]

And what in particular has perked your interest about ManaSpryte of late, considering he hasn't posted since October 17?

I think that's a valid question

[ryan]

Call it a "save my own ass vote" if you like but I'm not comfortable with the amount of suspicion on Num and than the amount of unvotes so close to deadline. He's been caught lying, his metagame on me is b.s and I can't believe we're going to let him go at deadline and live. Also I believe it's most votes at deadline to be lynched, so to those thinking we weren't going to get a lynch at deadline that is 100% incorrect, somebody was getting lynched at deadline no matter what.

Unvote/Vote: Numenorean7

[ryan]

I don't think Mana is scum; Ryan's and Xdaamno's recent votes reek of deflection. The deadline's in 12ish hours and Xdaamno's vote put Mana at "first to the majority." We now need to get either Numenorean or Ryan to 5 to lynch him.

Don't get me wrong--if Numenorean got to 4 without me I'd happily move back--but we need to converge on someone.

I have never seen one person jump so quickly from wagon to wagon in this game, you my friend are hilarious to watch.

[ryan]

What is the latest on ManaSpryte?

[ryan]

So with this information what's our next move game?

[ryan]

Why is Zindaras doing the same thing Guardian did upon leaving the game?

[ryan]

Good question, ryan. Interesting, considering that The Fonz is scum and he's been chasing you all game long.

I just don't understand why Guardian says he wants a replacement and yet continues to post on and on and on and than.......oh yeah and on before finally disappearing and now Zindaras (who's been silent for how many pages now?) says that a replacement is necessary for him yet throws parting shots in there (even with ZERO contribution for awhile now) I just don't get that.

[ryan]

Kitty, I started the whole "lynch ryan" thing. Not Fonzy. If anyone, he's the parrot.

So you're Fonzy's lover, huh? Yeah, then Fonzy probably is scum. I read Sacred as town. Though I don't think it changes anything, really. People bus their buddies often enough. Especially once you start talking Treacherous Lovers, then the best strategy probably is to distance yourself like hell from the others.

So are you playing or being replaced? You've been pretty darn quiet and than all of a sudden (much like Fonz) you appear with the "Lynch Ryan he's scum" and than disappear. It's real easy, you're in the game helping us find scum or you aren't, which is it? I'm more inclined to vote Bookitty/Fonz at this point but you (especially with your obvious lurking and than "replace me, but I'm going to find scum before I leave" approach) have been very interesting to read since your rebirth into the game

[ryan]

That's a lie. Check around page (27?) when I first replace in. I vote Ryan, who has no votes at the time, based on two big scumtells i pull up in my re-read, and persist in pushing his lynch thereafter. There is no possible way you can claim me to be parroting you.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 086#674086

Page 14. I've been harping on ryan for a long time.

Doesn't make you right though Zindy.

[ryan]

I'm thinking about it.

If we don't lynch the lovers today and mislynch, we go into tomorrow with 9, 4 of which are scum, which is lylo. Even if we lynch the lovers at that point, we wind up with 6 and 3, and lose. So we couldn't lynch the lovers and have to lynch everyone else, accurately, untilt he end of the game with two lovers and a townie. At that point the correct lover, would, I think, have to be lynched, or the other one might still get a night kill and wind up with a draw, everyone dead.

If we do lynch scum today and not the lovers, we go into tomorrow with 3 scum, one of which can be killed at any time, and 5 townies, and the other lover. THat would be an advantage, but we'd still be in the same situation regarding what to do as we are today. If we are ever going to lynch the lovers before end game, we may as well do it now. At least that way we will have information.

So you've presented both sides, which is better?

[ryan]

Wait.

Vote: Sikario8

is much, much better.

We are not in fact in lynch-or-lose as long as we avoid lynching the lovers. Say we mislynch today--we're at 4/9 tomorrow. If we keep lynching normscum after that, we can be at 1/3 with a loverpair on the last day. The scum can't nightkill the last night if they're all dead--we'd win.

And...I'm not seeing Bookiscum/Fonztown. I'm just not. Fonz/Sikario makes a lot of sense to me; Sikscum on its own works pretty well.

Dunno how I feel about Zindiscum/LMLtown; to me, they're both blank roles floating around in space. I guess it could work. Eh.

I, um, think Ryan is town again? Sorry. The Numenorean-based conspiracy theory was fun while it lasted, but I'm going back to the idealistic nonFleavoting newbie hypothesis. Fonz's behavior helps.

What more will we learn from a Sikario8 lynch than say a Fonz lynch?

[ryan]

I think the one thing people need to remember is how Guardian left the game, Manaspryte refused to scumhunt and now Sikario8 basically said he can see why he'd be lynched. I'm starting to feel as though he is the currect lynch, but with him not posting for a week now...........well it's not helping your case to NOT be lynched Sikario8

[ryan]

Honestly I'm still waiting on Sikario8 to explain why he thinks he's the best lynch today, that is a comment that I still find strange and almost as if he's daring us to lynch him. I have my vote on him until he explains that crazy statement.

You've stated that you think Sacred's gameplay (which you've played with) should be given due weight YET you also say that since I haven't weighed in on things or defended myself could make me scum? What questions would you like answered Bookitty? I believe I've answered everything that has been thrown my way in this game

[ryan]

Well page 90 I submitted my observations. I still believe Sikario8 deserves some pressure thrown his way due to Manasprytes lack of play and Guardian's strange exit from the game. I'm not sure what to make of The Fonz right now, I wasn't excited about his pressure on a townie (me) earlier and we have gone our rounds this game, to me it looks like a possible scum trying to make himself look like less of a scum by pressuring me and trying to get me to look scummy. I haven't played a perfect game and there have been some things I've done (Guardian, metagaming on Jordan) that I wish I wouldn't have done but I thought I was doing my job in finding scum and still believe that to this point.

[ryan]

Who said I was tunnelling? I've got a legit question for him to answer. I am not getting scum vibes off of Nab or Ether at the moment and Sikario8 has done something rather quizzical and that's why I'm focused on him. As for our inactives, that's the way it goes, you hope they participate or are replaced but you just have to wait.

[ryan]

i do read; however, i don't want to limit my opinions to what has already happened. i know it may seem like i'm not paying attention or that i'm just bsing, but, when i find out that someone's town or i have reason to believe that someone's on my side, that's when i start sharing information and tactics. at the moment, i'm just trying to get more posts and more substance from which to draw conclusions

Haven't you already been busted NOT reading, by not knowing the Fonz/Bookitty relationship?

[ryan]

similar to other games: would you rather continue to quote everything against me or would you rather me do some work and go back and read - the latter, right? bcuz you want to get me to hang myself. i was hoping for some type of discrepancy, but boo simply told me to look it up for myself

ps - are you a TA in EVERY game...?

I'm not sure why you are talking about other games, I'm still waiting for you to explain why you said you were the best lynch today. Either read the thread and give us some thoughts or get yourself replaced but your in between stance (which is nothing really) is starting to get rather old

[ryan]

Okay, I'm good with this. I don't see any reasonable alternative since

I think maybe this game has fallen off most people's radar.

Vote Sikario8

I hope not, I mean we are 92 pages in. I think we might have finally found some scum though and I don't see a better alternative rigth now (other than Fonz) I'm not ready to vote at the moment but Sikario8, you haven't really done much to look innocent since you came in

[ryan]

Oh I have no problem with your vote (as I stated I may do so myself) I just hope that this game doesn't go dark. I mean we're 92 pages in and the participation has really dropped in the past few weeks. Getting quality replacements in at this point seems to be difficult as even Sikario has admitted he hasn't read the entire thread.

[ryan]

Vote: Sikario8

I don't know why he's daring us to vote him but I also didn't understand Guardian's strange exit OR Manaspryte's complete disregard for helping us find scum.

[ryan]

Erg0, Fonz, Mert and NabNab need prods.

[ryan]

Anyone else still checking in?

[ryan]

Why exactly did you quote those?

Mod edit
Votecount:

Sikario8 (4): Ether, Bookitty, ryan, NabakovNabakov

Not voting (7): Mert, Skruffs, The Fonz, Jalyn, Sikario8, Erg0, LoudmouthLee

With 11 alive it's 6 to lynch.

[ryan]

I feel that the way Guardian left, the fact that Manaspryte said NOTHING (and basically bailed for no reason) and that you really haven't done anything to change my perception, I believe you to be scum

[ryan]

Sorry, I kept putting this thread off in Sikario's absence and didn't get back to it.

Ether, in answer to your question my impression of Guardian was based on his general behaviour on the forums at the time of the post. I recall seeing several posts from him in MD talking about how he was considering quitting and expressing general dissatisfaction with his inability to convince people to listen to him as town. I think 24 Mafia may have been an example of a game that he was unhappy about, and I believe there were a number of others mentioned on his Wiki page.

I did do a re-read of NabNab at the time, but I didn't find anything particularly remarkable so I don't think I bothered posting it. The success level of my other reads has been pretty appalling, so I believe I need to revisit this issue. I don't want to say much more until I've caught up on my research a little more.

So who do you feel is the best lynch today?

[ryan]

LoudmouthLee, Jalyn, The Fonz and Mert all need prods or replaced

[ryan]

Hmmm.
Why is Jalyn italicized in the player roster?

I believe she's being replaced

[ryan]

BK has been the only particpating in the past 3-4 pages. That doesn't mean I agree with her but she has been trying to help us find other scum.

[ryan]

Chocolate chunk, like!

Apart from Fonz, who's scum?
Actually, let's make this simpler: Fonz, who's scum? Truth now.

Who out of BK and Fonz do we believe?

What do you think about the Sikario8 possible lynch?

[ryan]

Sikario/Guardian/Manaspryte are all the same role and all three have their scumminess. As for who I believe, I believe BK at the moment and as you would have noticed Fonz and I have been at eachother for awhile now, I thought that was fairly obvious.

Mod edit
Votecount:

Sikario8 (4): Ether, Bookitty, ryan, NabakovNabakov

Not voting (7): Mert, Skruffs, The Fonz, Jalyn, Sikario8, Erg0, LoudmouthLee

With 11 alive it's 6 to lynch.

[ryan]

Is it possible this game has been going on since July *wow*

[ryan]

Guardian and Manaspryte both had some scummy moments. The way Guardian left and Manaspryte NOT responding to any questions/cases presented toward him and than being replaced as fast as he entered.

[ryan]

So who's the best lynch than Skruffs?

[ryan]

I'm sorry... Been reading up. Would post more but been busy.

What exactly makes Fonz Confirmed scum? taken from:

This is a weak weak reason to lynch someone over confirmed scum, (fonz).

The way I see it if we have a confirmed scum I see no reason he should still be here.

Sorry about that, just easier to ask then to try and find it in the past... too many pages you know.

Bookitty is the only one saying that she's isn't scum and The Fonz is so technically we don't have "confirmed scum" just speculation

Mod edit
Votecount:

Sikario8 (4): Ether, Bookitty, ryan, NabakovNabakov

Not voting (7): Korlan, Skruffs, The Fonz, Gorrad, Sikario8, Erg0, LoudmouthLee

With 11 alive it's 6 to lynch.

[ryan]

Voting yourself instead of fighting?

[ryan]

Well..........I guess we can see that Bookitty was right about Fonz.

[ryan]

Well knowing who hasn't been lying is nice to go back and read their posts and you (since you've admitted being scum) looking back and seeing your voting trends and how you've conducted yourself I believe to be helpful.

[ryan]

Ryan, I doubt that the Fonz would have behaved so if he didn't feel he'd just won the game.

I'm never good at crunching the numbers but were we in a lynch or lose situation?

[ryan]

But if we lynched Fonz that would have taken care of BK as well and than wouldn't we be in the same spot?

[ryan]

AH. I must have been confused on the scenarios of lynching. I guess if we did decide to take out The Fonz, we would have lynched a town in the process (in BK) that makes more sense I was a tad confused on the numbers and how close we were to losing.

[ryan]

Honestly I thought BK would be helpful in finding scum as I did believe her to be town and lynching Fonz would have terminated her and I still think she'll be of great help in picking out a scum to lynch tomorrow.

[ryan]

Erg0: I'd like to hear more from you today. Who is the best lynch choice?

[ryan]

BK: Any thoughts on Elmo?

[ryan]

Ryan:
Why are you probing around for other people's opinions instead fo offering your own?

Is asking questions a crime?

[ryan]

As for my thoughts. Erg0 and Elmo are two that I don't have a town read on at the moment. NabNab makes some good points about Ether that I'd like to take a closer look at

[ryan]

ha ha ha...

So that's a no then on the Ryan thing? Cool, looks like I win that one. Hollow victory, but still a complete waste of my time so I like it!

Are you disagreeing with Elmo that I'm town or just disagreeing to disagree? I was trying to follow your back and forth and honestly..........I don't understand what you two were arguing over?

[ryan]

Is there anything we can take from The Fonz's past posts to find his scum partners?

[ryan]

Korlash: I'm trying to get some discussion going on other players (besides me) is that wrong?

[ryan]

I can't be arsed to read this game any longer. Can someone let me know when it's over?

[ryan]

Korlash: I'm trying to get some discussion going on other players (besides me) is that wrong?

No, but I think I have some kind of discussion going on that does, in some way, involve you and your "towniness" so I find it odd you would want to change the topic.

I guess with this game where it's at looking at one player and just one player seems a little narrow minded.

[ryan]

Besides Sarcastro failing to contribute while he was in, did LoudmouthLee do anything scummy that I missed?

[ryan]

Disguised? They look pretty obvious like bullshit

[ryan]

Korlash: I'm interested in something, if Elmo is scum with The Fonz, who is their partner?

[ryan]

Partner? Don't you mean partners? Just for that, along with the town thing, I would say you. As for the other, I have no clue.

I have absolutely no knowledge of Sarcastro, so I can't really read to much into that thing.

Skruffs and NabakovNabakov are possibles. Not really sure on Ether or Erg0 one way or the other, they are just... listed... Somewhere...

Not very helpful I know, but I only care about focusing on Elmo right now until he feels the need to stop ignoring me and throwing his misinterpretations back at me.

Korlash: The Fonz has already said he's scum correct? Bookitty has said she's his treacherous lover. So that's one scum correct and a lover? You seem to think Elmo is scum so that is why I asked who the final partner was. Was I not clear?

[ryan]

Ryan, when did you start to think that both bookitty and fonz were scum?

Korlash: unvote.

First off I've had suspicions on The Fonz all game but him walking in and hammering the way he did was pretty obvious wasn't it? Bookitty said she's his lover, so doesn't that make's her apart of the scum team as well doesn't it?

[ryan]

No. Read the roles, please.

If you really thought that, why weren't you voting me yesterday? Two scums for one price, right?

No. Read the roles, please.

If you really thought that, why weren't you voting me yesterday? Two scums for one price, right?

You and _ are lovers. Unfortunately, you are on the mafia’s side, together with _, _ and _, while your lover is on the town’s side. When your lover is killed, you will not be able to bear it, and you will die together with him. But as a mafia, you will have to kill the whole town, so your winning condition stays the same: you win when every non-mafia is dead, including your lover. You are allowed to talk to the mafia and to your lover during the night. Your lover does not know you are with the mafia (yet).

Doesn't this basically mean that your win condition is to stay alive with your mafia partner? The Fonz is scum correct? So for you to win you have to stay alive? But as a member of the town if you die you would hurt our chances of winning correct? I kept you off my vote list because although we would be eliminating a mafia (The Fonz) you would also be dying and than we would have lost a townie by lynch and a townie by nightkill thus hurting our chances at winning

[ryan]

BK is saying 5 scum and Korlash is stating 4, WHICH is it you two?

[ryan]

I'm sorry but your post read that way, I apologize. Relax, it's just a game and I misread what you were attempting to say, that can happen on here.

[ryan]

Now you're reaching BK, I wasn't distracting, I was clarifying. HUGE difference

[ryan]

BK: I believe you are town and by lynching The Fonz, I would be lynching somebody I believe to be townie.

[ryan]

Korlash: What exactly were you wanting Elmo to answer?

[ryan]

Is it possible we have a NabNab/Elmo pairing as scum?

[ryan]

I believe anything is possible in mafia...

LOL, don't put yourself out on the line or anything.

[ryan]

Ether: I don't feel like I have a good understanding of a few players in the game, I have opinions on the three I asked about and was looking to see what Korlash felt about those three as well in determining where I felt he fell as a town or mafia possibility.

[ryan]

NabNab: Are you talking about some pressure votes on Elmo when you say "gang up"

[ryan]

I haven't ignored you. I've specifically said that I'm not answering the question. I've even

told you why

, since you asked. (I didn't volunteer that, because I wanted to see how long it would take you to ask.)

See, this

is

an interesting conversation, isn't it?

I'm interested why you decided the question shouldn't be answered?

[ryan]

Elmo: Who do you feel are the scum in the game?

[ryan]

Man, this game has been going for so long that I'm forgetting about things that I'd previously observed. I took another look at my case on ryan from post 1784 and I think I had some good points in there. Also, the little chat between Fonz and ryan here reads a lot like distancing in retrospect. I note that he's still doing the questioning without action thing, too.

FoS: ryan

Can you honestly tell me that you've been more active than me? I agree that the game has been going on for a long time and it is difficult to remember past points/arguments on certain players but you've been very inactive and I find it very possible that you've been the silent mafia member just sitting back while the rest of the town picks eachother off. If you really want me to clarify (again) my thoughts on The Fonz, feel free, but as you noticed I had been calling him scum for a long time now

[ryan]

So you have a tell that works on scum and doctors? HUH? Post again when you find a tell that works on finding scum as that's what we're trying to do here.

[ryan]

So you have a tell that works on scum and doctors? HUH? Post again when you find a tell that works on finding scum as that's what we're trying to do here.

Why the "HUH?"? Erg0's explanation makes sense, and a tell that works on Docs and Scum would be fine at this point in the game considering it's an open setup and the Doc's dead.

My HUH was the fact that we don't have our doc anymore so using that tell didn't work out so well did it?

[ryan]

NabNab: I guess what I was saying is that his "tell" brought out the doc but there is no guarantee it also brought up scum (as he's inferring it did to me)

[ryan]

So how do we all feel about a ryan lynch? I largely agree with Skruffs' comments on quicklynching above, especially given that Fonz has apparently stopped reading (though I wouldn't be surprised if he suddenly reappeared to hammer a townie). I'm pretty close to casting the first stone right now.

Why again are you pushing my lynch and not asking about others? Opportunistic maybe? I have no problem answering questions on why I am town but when you just toss my name out there it looks like you're trying to dictate what your scum partners do and who they attack next. Why not ask people to put up some scum lists instead?

[ryan]

So me not being lynched with the mod error makes me scum?

[ryan]

No you are pushing my lynch as scum when I am not. You haven't shown one bit of suspicion toward me and now all of a sudden you're saying what my role pm says? Sorry, doesn't jell.

[ryan]

What is your case exactly? How can I address it when I don't understand it?

[ryan]

But if I remember correctly the tell was a no tell because it also trapped doctors

[ryan]

BUT the doc is dead... so... you cant be a doc and so the tell apparently works...

But it doesn't because I'm not scum

[ryan]

BK, how have I slid under the radar?

Mod edit

Not voting: everyone

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch.

[ryan]

Well I pegged The Fonz as scum pretty soon after he entered with the way he was trying to use b.s logic to get me into a corner and get me lynched. I feel I'm able to keep discussion going even when the game seems to be dragging and I feel I'm pretty good at distinguishing when somebody is lying and when their telling the truth.

[ryan]

What is this world coming too...

Probably a good way to keep himself out of the spotlight

[ryan]

I've at least answered questions I've been asked.

[ryan]

Yes I am implying Elmo, BK has brought up that I wasn't lynched the day after I was suppose to be lynched earlier with the mod error but doesn't seem to care that Elmo has had direct questions posed to him and has failed to give answers.

[ryan]

Of the remaining game members alive I decided to look through and see where I had everyone rated (especially since we are now deadlined) The pro town players I have currently are.

-Bookitty
-Ether
-ryan

I think they’ve both done a good job at scum hunting and I find them to be the most townish of who’s remaining. The next list few are my “probably” town, I still have a tickle in my gut that one might be wrong but currently this is where I’m at

-Korlash
-Skruffs

So that leaves me…….

-The Fonz
-NabakovNabakov
-Erg0
-Elmo

with a confirmed scum (The Fonz, who I had said was scum earlier in the game and stayed with consistently) Of the 4 I have mentioned I’m leaning toward Erg0 as my vote before deadline. I feel that he’s been flying under the radar for most of this game without really committing to who he thinks is scum and instead saying there is evidence on (insert player name here) and enough to vote. This posting earlier had me raise an eyebrow after my re-read

Unvote

Thinking about this, lynching our last lovers will place us in LyLo tomorrow. I need to think about the numbers a little bit, though I'm fairly sure that lynching them is still the right move.

He states that lynching the lovers would put us in LyLo (not a good spot to ever be in) BUT still thinks it’s a good idea?

Don't know yet. I feel like the evidence against ryan individually is strong enough that I don't need buddy-based theories to back it up.

Saying that you have evidence against one person looks like scum trying to get another townie lynched and than doesn’t really go into much detail but more of a “I’m gonna throw this out and see if anyone will jump on board and vote” I think he’s been the lurker mafia this game and if you isolate his posts you will see that he’s been very non committal when it comes to opinions relating to other members of the game, instead taking the zero in on one player and go after them with little or no evidence. I’m going to go back and look again and see if I can see any connections between him and the others I posted above but for now those are the thoughts I have at this time

[ryan]

@Ryan: I'd really like more than a tickle to explain why Korlash is "probably town". I'm seesawing between him and Elmo as my top suspect.

I didn't really have a problem with his vote to start this day off and it seemed like others kinda jumped on him and than he quickly changed his vote (to me that didn't seem like a scum thing to do) I would have guessed that he would have left the vote on and than defended it while his other scum-mates hopped on board and waited till The Fonz came flying in with the hammer (as he did last day) I haven't seen alot from him to show me that he's doing things scummy and trying to undermind the town (if that makes sense) At this point in the game I expect scum to narrow in on a target, go after said target and not let up till a townie follows suit and the scum get a free lynch.

[ryan]

Ether: Who do you believe would Skruffs partners be?

[ryan]

Sorry, must have missed it

[ryan]

I didn't really have a problem with his vote to start this day off and it seemed like others kinda jumped on him and than he quickly changed his vote (to me that didn't seem like a scum thing to do) I would have guessed that he would have left the vote on and than defended it while his other scum-mates hopped on board and waited till The Fonz came flying in with the hammer

Really? To me it seemed like Korlash was keeping his vote on far longer than was reasonable. (And that's a pretty basic view of scum tactics in LyLo)

Mod:

Deadline extension please.

I guess since it was one vote I didn't feel it was amounting to anything more than just an early vote and nobody really piled on so I didn't consider it scummy.

[ryan]

Erg0: Please explain how limited voting on Day 1 and 2 is scummy? I'd rather be certain about my votes than just hop from bandwagon to bandwagon, wouldn't you?

[ryan]

I dunno. On a reread I still don't like LoudmouthLee/Sarcastro, and Elmo isn't winning any points with me lately either.

I could be down with an Elmo lynch. I have no better ideas at the moment, and I'm suffering from reread fatigue. I think it's possible Korlash and Elmo were distancing with their recent argument, but I'm not even sure of that.

I think Skruffs is town, still. I'm less sure of my NabNab suspicions on a reread. Ether looks worse, ryan looks better (well, ryan looks more like he usually does, but I guess that's usually town). Neither seems scummy enough to be a good lynch based on that. So right now, I'm willing to go along with an Elmo lynch. It's the best guess I have.

I could also be down with an Elmo lynch, although I'm not sure if I could see him as partners with NabNab and Erg0 (my other two suspects) My list really hasn't changed from the one I posted a page or so back although I am leaning more along voting either Elmo or Erg0 now.

[ryan]

Elmo : I believe I posted an argument against you. I don't remember seeing a response, but i haven't read everything. You seem to be hoping to convince people I'm scum by simply repeating it over and over again, but you have actually tried to tie Korlash to Fonz. . .

But yeah I'm fairly impressed with your 'intentional' ignorance of what I said and in response just saying I'm scum and being incredulous of people who say they think I'm not. Like somehow it's a 'given' that I'm scum and people shouldn't assume otherwise.

Try to divert attention away from Ether, keep trying, it will eventually work, I bet. ^.^ Then she can pop back in.


Speaking of which:

Why do you want Erg0 replaced? He seems to be quite active.

Ether on the other hand has gone completely quiet other than to basically confirm she has no interest in contributing anymore. Put a vote on me and hope others eventually fall in. So why do you think Erg0 should be replaced, and not Ether?

Are you really being that transparent, intentionally?

Hasn't Ether already stayed that she believes you to be scum and that's that? I mean it's unhelpful but I give her credit for taking a stand. As for me I'm torn on a NabNab or Erg0 vote currently, I've isolated just their posts in this game but not really swayed either way at the moment

[ryan]

Hasn't Ether already stayed that she believes you to be scum and that's that? I mean it's unhelpful but I give her credit for taking a stand. As for me I'm torn on a NabNab or Erg0 vote currently, I've isolated just their posts in this game but not really swayed either way at the moment

Ether voted em without an explanation, said that the exlpanation was obvious, that I Was full of lies, and then STOPPED POSTING.

Ryan immediately took up the reins for her and has been running distraction for her, sayign that I'm scum and ignoring my arguments (I think, I may have missed some but that's what it FEELS like) while trying to get NAb lynched, which is exactly, I think, why Ether put her vote on me in the first place, because I said that hte person who seems the easiest lynch probably WASN'T the RIGHT lynch.

Took up the reins for her? Running distraction? I don't understand either of these comments. How have I been attacking you in Ether's place? I gave a list of my suspects and why, not sure how that appears to you that I'm attacking you

[ryan]

I guess I should just

Vote: ryan

at this point.

Interesting that neither of the wagons is building much at this point.

Skruffs, I think you're strawmanning Elmo on his talk about me being replaced. I definitely read that as past tense when he said it. Also, saying that Elmo thinks you're scum because Boo thinks you're town is something of a strawman. Correlation does not necessarily imply causation.

Vote me at "this point?" How am I suppose to defend against that? What point? If you think I've done something scummy I'd at least like the chance to defend my point of view (as I'm sure you would if I placed a vote on you)

[ryan]

Vote: Erg0

I stated my reasoning earlier and wasn't sure between him or Elmo who I was going with. Erg0's reasoning and committment to vote players in this game has been pretty poor and inconsistent to state it best. I realize he voted me earlier and since I stated pages back who my top scum suspicion was at the time I'm not surprised he would throw a meaningless vote on me hoping to get a bandwagon started. Erg0 will be my deadline vote unless somebody else steps up and shows off their true scum colors. *looks at Elmo*

[ryan]

Elmo: Are you most sure about NabNab being town or scum? I'm confused by that last line in your post.

[ryan]

Elmo: I do share your sentiments about NabNab (and actually tossed back and forth between him and Erg0 for who was going to get my vote) but I'm not a fan of how you worded that you'd be willing to dump that vote for Skruffs. It almost seems like you are searching for a bandwagon on somebody to be apart of, am I off base with this thinking?

[ryan]

No I didn't say you didn't have suspicion of Skruffs, it just seemed like you were pretty willing to vote hop around. I agree that I also want my vote to mean something and if I have to flip to NabNab, than so be it. Erg0 and NabNab are at the top of my scum list (as I've listed before) Let me ask you this though. Who would likely be partners with Erg0/NabNab??? (besides of course The Fonz)

[ryan]

Elmo: Could you see NabNab, Erg0, The Fonz and Skruffs?

[ryan]

I should also say that I've decided I'm not going to lynch Erg0 today. So you may wish to move your vote if you're not going to be online for a while, unless someone else is going to vote Erg0.

Mod

: At precisely what time does the deadline fall? 00:01, 23:59, noon? (Timezone?)

Well I do want to make sure my vote counts at deadline..........not sure if I'm ready to make the move to NabNab or not, I'll have to mull it over today

[ryan]

Skruffs: To be accurate my vote choices are between NabNab and Erg0 at deadline (which I stated in 2681) Why are you so against NabNab or Erg0 being scum?

[ryan]

I'll be interested in where Korlash and NabNab place their votes but for now I'm staying with Erg0

[ryan]

Ether: Exact opposite of what was I saying?

[ryan]

Post 2675 from our mod says it takes 5 to lynch

[ryan]

I think you just hammered NabNab as I believe he was at -1 when you voted him. Hope you guys were right

[ryan]

Ether, Elmo, BK, Erg0 and you=5 votes correct?

[ryan]

Well I guess we'll know in about an hour if you helped us or not

[ryan]

(Here is our night chat, start from the bottom and work your way up. Enjoy)

Ryan 94

02-07-2008 11:19 AM ET (US)
I sent in Ether as our night choice (since it really doesn't matter anymore and we've won) Edit
Delete

Fonz 93

12-21-2007 04:57 AM ET (US)
Guys, I put in a completely random NK.

On a side note, I suggest at least one of you goes on the offensive tomorrow. I think if we let the town set the tone, we will be looking at a Ryan or Skruffs lynch.

Korlash 92

12-20-2007 09:29 PM ET (US)
>.> Who is Korlan?

But yeah, I like the Erg0 kill.

ryan 91

12-20-2007 06:33 PM ET (US)
I'm fine with an Erg0 kill as well. I will be offline on Friday so somebody will need to send the kill in, but make sure we don't mess around and get it sent in ASAP.

skruffs 90

12-20-2007 01:55 PM ET (US)
korlan, you are 'replaced in' and newbie so you should stir stuff up as much as possible... try to find connections between people that doesn't seem to have been adressed, etc, look like a breath of fresh air and people will consider it.

i would say kill erg0, not someone on the wagon.

ryan 89

12-20-2007 08:07 AM ET (US)
Fonz: My vote on Nabnab remains but do what you think is right and send in a kill but get it sent in because this game has drug on WAY too long and unless we totally screw it up, we should have an easy victory.

ryan 88

12-20-2007 08:07 AM ET (US)
Zin was pretty much a non factor which could lead to questions. Not much from Zin in the form of actual posting/scum hunting.

Korlash 87

12-20-2007 12:42 AM ET (US)
Well my pan was to act all still replacy. I was going to pretty much side with the town on the Fonz issue. Try to blend in as just another townie.

Do you guy's think that woudl backfire too much? Was Zin overly scummy or suspicious and should I be worried about any heat from him?

ryan 86

12-19-2007 10:15 AM ET (US)
What is everyone anticipating the town is going to do? Is Fonz going to be the #1 target and will we look bad if we don't follow?

skruffs 85

12-19-2007 09:32 AM ET (US)
I can up it up... You should ask boo who she would kill though, for sure.

I would like to keep ether around, if possible.

I think it might be good to each target two people and attack both of them; one town one scum

Fonz 84

12-19-2007 08:37 AM ET (US)
Hi guys, sorry i'm late, when i cleaned out my inbox I lost the message with the link to this thread.

Tomorrow's going to be so much fun... walking in a wifom wonderland!

The only thing that pisses me off is, I didn't lie about what Sacred told me. I thought they might have been able to communicate, so i represented her thoughts accurately. She never once mentioned Zindie. Bah.

I'd suggest killing off a randomised townie, then my not even telling you who it is.

Also, it strikes me that at least one of you ought to go on the offensive tomorrow.

Korlash 83

12-18-2007 10:41 PM ET (US)
lolz...

skruffs 82

12-18-2007 03:10 PM ET (US)
Actually, maybe we should just let fonz decide point blank... Keep our hands clean.

Fonz, why don't you ask bookitty who she would kill?

ryan 81

12-18-2007 01:37 PM ET (US)
We might have to remind Fonz about our spot to chat........I'll PM him

Korlash 80

12-18-2007 09:58 AM ET (US)
Hey this place is cool...

Um... I still need to read up on the game >< ugg...

So I'll get back to you on who I think we should kill. As of where I stand I woudl either want Nabakov or Erg0.

ryan 79

12-18-2007 08:55 AM ET (US)
My vote goes to night killing NabakovNabakov

skruffs 78

12-18-2007 08:48 AM ET (US)
That went off nicely. Should we kill a nosy townie or a townie not on the wagon? Or is there a new flavor of wifom out there?

Zindaras 77

11-08-2007 03:02 PM ET (US)
Daemno=Xdaemno. How obvious do you want it to be?

Anyway, I'm going to be asking for replacement. It's been nice being your buddies. I'm sorry for my performance.

Ryan 76

11-06-2007 01:13 PM ET (US)
Alright I'm sending it in than

Fonzie 75

11-06-2007 02:33 AM ET (US)
Yes.

Ryan 74

11-05-2007 04:34 PM ET (US)
Are we all in agreement about Xdaamno than? Yes or no.

Ryan 73

11-05-2007 04:32 PM ET (US)
Are you even following the game anymore? That person isn't even a player Zindy.

Zindaras 72

11-05-2007 02:06 PM ET (US)
Kill daemno.

Ryan 71

11-05-2007 11:50 AM ET (US)
Is it possible the doc could protect Xdaamno?

Ryan 70

11-05-2007 08:51 AM ET (US)
Sounds like a plan, anyone else want to weigh in or shall I send it in?

Fonzie 69

11-05-2007 08:43 AM ET (US)
Imho.

Ryan 68

11-05-2007 08:17 AM ET (US)
So Xdaamno is our play?

Fonzie 67

11-05-2007 03:33 AM ET (US)
Edited by author 11-05-2007 03:42 AM
Yup. Num's lover dies tonight, along with XD. No time to get clever here. Then I, or BooKitty, is lynched tomorrow, either way the other one dies that night, along with one more townie.

Currently 13 alive 4 scum, that should put us into tomorrow 11-4 with the nightkill and the lover-suicide, I die along with bookitty, 9-3, tomorrow's nightkill puts us at 8-3 on day five, which is LyLo. An actually random NK might be an idea, to tie the town up in WIFOM possibilities.

Skruffs hasn't looked particularly scummy imho, whilst hopefully the ocean of distance between myself and Ryan pays off. Zindy really needs to stop lurking.

Skruffs 66

11-04-2007 12:05 PM ET (US)
so we are looking at 3 scum vs 6 townies after this.

Skruffs 65

11-04-2007 12:04 PM ET (US)
The Fonz should immediately claim regular lover and out his partner as the treacherous one. Just in case XDaamno was fake claiming, it would keep the other lover from being protected by teh real doc that night.

Skruffs 64

11-04-2007 12:02 PM ET (US)
err, The Fonz is dead tomorrow, rather. Which is fine, I suppose.

Skruffs 63

11-04-2007 11:52 AM ET (US)
Yes, definitely. It looks like you will probably be outed tomorrow, Ryan, as your lover realizes you have to be the treacherous one.

Ryan 62

11-04-2007 10:38 AM ET (US)
Xdaamno seems like the logical choice here.

ryan 61

09-06-2007 12:34 PM ET (US)
Deleted by author 09-13-2007 04:45 PM

ryan 60

09-05-2007 01:13 PM ET (US)
Or I'll go ahead and send it in

ryan 59

09-05-2007 09:04 AM ET (US)
Well Yogurt seems to be missing (as usual) go ahead and send in d3sisted than Fonz.

Fonzie 58

09-05-2007 02:27 AM ET (US)
No real problem with a d3sisted kill then. It's kinda scary how I could be outed any moment.

ryan 57

09-04-2007 09:56 PM ET (US)
Well than that's two of us. Yogurt, anything to add?

Zindaras 56

09-04-2007 05:26 PM ET (US)
I have to side with ryan on this one. I think desisted is the better choice. Jalyn is a threat, but she is not a major one.

ryan 55

09-04-2007 04:35 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 09-04-2007 04:35 PM
I guess I don't see Jalyn as a threat. NabNab and D3sisted seem to be better choices in my opinion

Fonzie 54

09-04-2007 01:41 PM ET (US)
Been talking to Sacred. Apparently she's really set on an Erg0 lynch tomorrow. Apparently has spotted some big red flag she didn't get time to share then, but will in the morning. Wants my opinions on Sarc and Erg0. I said i found the latter scummy, but the former not really. Claims to have found Jordan really scummy, but felt the speed of the wagon indicated he would come up town.

Now might be a really good time to off Jalyn (or a replacement- haven't really caught up) without it being too obvious.

ryan 53

09-03-2007 10:00 AM ET (US)
D3sisted
NabNab
Guardian

Those are my choices in that order.

Zindaras 52

09-02-2007 08:44 AM ET (US)
Fonz and I should likely continue pressuring Erg0 tomorrow. Ryan, you should probably keep off that wagon. We want some distancing. D3sisted, NabNab, Jalyn and Ether look like the best targets. I would like to keep off Jalyn and Ether for a while. We don't want people to think we're just killing off the experienced, good players. I think d3sisted is the best target right now. It puts more pressure on Sarc and Erg0, I would say, while also making sure the idea that we're killing established players doesn't settle.

Zindaras 51

08-12-2007 06:17 AM ET (US)
Sacred is on vacation. She is taking longer than I had expected, though. I hope nothing happened to her...

I sent in the Tornado kill to make sure it got through.

Fonzie 50

08-12-2007 06:08 AM ET (US)
No news on the Sacred front, doesn't seem like she's around.

Zindaras 49

08-12-2007 04:21 AM ET (US)
Edited by author 08-12-2007 06:00 AM
I would've preferred Jalyn, myself...

Meh. Let's go with Tornado.

ryan 48

08-11-2007 10:43 PM ET (US)
Alright, I'll send it in than

Fonzie 47

08-11-2007 07:29 PM ET (US)
Why can't you send it in yourself? lol

ryan 46

08-11-2007 07:27 PM ET (US)
Send it in whoever and let's play on

ryan 45

08-11-2007 07:07 PM ET (US)
Than let's kill Sir Tornado

Fonzie 44

08-11-2007 12:11 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 08-11-2007 12:17 PM
That might be an idea, actually. Let me give ST a quick readover.

Ed: ST is one of those who's VERY big on 'Ryan and Guardian' though. And he's got Darko pretty high up, too, which is good.

ryan 43

08-11-2007 11:33 AM ET (US)
Sir Tornado is also a VERY good player and might need some consideration as well.

Zindaras 42

08-11-2007 11:30 AM ET (US)
Jalyn seems to be on everyone's mind. Let's wait and see what Yogurt has to say about it.

ryan 41

08-11-2007 11:26 AM ET (US)
It's over. So who's dying tonight? Jalyn or Sir Tornado?

Zindaras 40

08-11-2007 11:23 AM ET (US)
Ryan, I did in fact take a long hard look at fleaboy (I posted an entire analysis on him before starting on you). I'll admit I've pressured you throughout the day and have been pointing a lot at you (maybe even more than I should've), but I've also pointed a lot of fingers elsewhere.

To be honest, at the point where I was making the fleaboy/ryan analyses, I couldn't turn around and vote fleaboy anymore. I just couldn't. It would reflect horribly upon me later.

ryan 39

08-11-2007 11:13 AM ET (US)
Zindaras: I never said a group hug or a no vote was necessary but you two jumped on the bandwagon started against me and kept on giving evidence against me instead of maybe looking at other players. You both tried to bury me under evidence that I could climb out of.

ryan 38

08-11-2007 11:11 AM ET (US)
I never said you should UNVOTE me idiot! But pages upon pages of bullshit attacks weren't necessary. Can you read? Of all the scumteams I get put together I get the idiot who wants to punch doors, just fucking great.

Zindaras 37

08-11-2007 11:11 AM ET (US)
Ryan, the fact that we're a team doesn't mean we have to do group hugs every day and promise to never vote each other. I thought it was best for the team, for the entire team, to vote you at that point. Personally, I was overjoyed to see you survived the lynch, as that will only help the team more when you actually do get lynched.

Fonzie 36

08-11-2007 11:07 AM ET (US)
@ Zindy- Jalyn or Jordan. I'd prefer Jordan, since a Jordan NK reflects badly on Sarc, whereas iirc Jalyn has been after only Ryan and Yogurt. Then again, we'll have to kill 'er sometime, so early might be best.

Fonzie 35

08-11-2007 11:03 AM ET (US)
I'd fucking happily say it to your face, retard, sadly, that whole Atlantic Ocean thing makes it rather hard. You make me so angry i could put my fist thru a door. I've told you a fucking thousand times why I couldn't unvote you, and you're deluding yourself if you think the wagon on you is entirely my fault. The wagon on you was there because you were scummy as fuck. How about instead of attacking me, you concentrate on not looking like the most blatant scum in the history of the site? Asshole.

ryan 34

08-11-2007 10:57 AM ET (US)
Anytime you have the balls to say it to my face assclown, anytime. I've admitted I didn't play a perfect game but your stupid ass tried to bury me on Day 1 of all things. I don't need to hurt your character, everytime you post you do more and more to that yourself idiot. As for being a team here? That's bullshit Zindaras and you know it, you two nearly (without a mod mistake) would have had me lynched on Day 1, so don't act like we're all best friends here. Either Jalyn or Sir Tornado is my choice for a nightkill.

Zindaras 33

08-11-2007 10:54 AM ET (US)
Stop it. We are only wasting time and energy that could be better spent on other things. We're a team here.

Fonz, who to kill?

I'd like to hear Yogurt's thoughts as well.

Fonzie 32

08-11-2007 10:52 AM ET (US)
Go fuck yourself. I think my shit don't stink? That's hilarious, given that you're refusing to acknowledge that any of the myriad scummy things you've done are actually scummy, instead talking all this utter bullshit about how you think I'm picking on you, and everything i've brought up is stupid and minor. If you had any fucking intention of helping this scumteam, you'd take em on board instead of whining about it and trying character assassination on me.

ryan 31

08-11-2007 10:44 AM ET (US)
Oh piss off Fonz. You are another one of the players on mafia who think their shit don't stink, well buddy, yours does. You hung out a scummate to dry and anyone in this fucking game would say it's bullshit. Blow it out your ass idiot.


Zindaras: ST is a decent option actually, he's a good player and would be nice to have him eliminated. NabNab doesn't pose that much of a thread (imo)

Fonzie 30

08-11-2007 10:39 AM ET (US)
Shut the fuck up. I don't think I'm the CREAM of this team or any such bullshit, I jumped on you because you were by a mile the scummiest player in the game, and continued to be so throughout day one. Seriously, backing off a player who's done nothing to make him look protown is just the best way to make it obvious you're his scumbuddy.

My points are not small and stupid, they're serious scumtells on your part.

Zindaras 29

08-11-2007 10:36 AM ET (US)
Let's keep it civil, guys.

We should be talking about who to kill. I think Jalyn could actually be a reasonable option. What do people think about Tornado and NabNab?

ryan 28

08-11-2007 10:29 AM ET (US)
Just because you don't like my arguments doesn't mean they are stupid Fonz. So since you two are the CREAM of this team (in your eyes) make your selection for a nightkill and let's move on. You jumped on me for very small and stupid points Fonz, but I'm not gonna fucking argue with you about anymore, you are above others in this game, I get it, I'm selecting to move on and play my way and hope that my partners don't fuck me over again.

Fonzie 27

08-11-2007 10:23 AM ET (US)
I was first on your wagon, Ryan. It wouldn't have built if I didn't have a point. You were acting ridiculously scummy, had you made a single decent argument, I might have backed off. You didn't. Seriously, it was your actions, not mine or Zindy's, which nearly got you lynched.

Tomorrow, how's about you actually make a decent argument against SOMEONE?

ryan 26

08-11-2007 10:17 AM ET (US)
You two almost got me lynched Day 1 by dropping votes, I mean seriously! Anyway, we have till Monday to make a decision on who to nightkill, I'm thinking Jordan or Jalyn, thats my 2 cents.

Zindaras 25

08-11-2007 09:47 AM ET (US)
*shrugs*

It's possible indeed that they'll figure it out. However, it'll probably take them a while, as there are many suspects right now. We'll see.

Regarding overall strategy, I want to keep Fonzie around for a while. We need to kill at least one lover pair before Fonzie bites the dust. Those confirmed townies can bite us. The fact that he's a lover with Sacred can only help us here, she looks heavily pro-town which means the town will be hesitant to lynch her if it ever comes down to a mass-claim.

Yogurt, an interesting strategy could be to actually claim lover if you're pressured. Just refuse to name your partner (Note: The strategy is pretty random and it probably doesn't work, but it could be interesting anyway).

ryan 24

08-11-2007 09:29 AM ET (US)
There is a difference in how you bus somebody, Fonz did it WAY over the top for my taste and more than likely that will come back and bite him in the ass for that reason. He nagged for way too many pages in a row and even he knows I'm right about that

Zindaras 23

08-11-2007 09:19 AM ET (US)
The most likely scenario here is that ryan and fleaboy will both die and our nightkill will be taken away. That's the scenario I'd expect, and also the most even-handed scenario for both teams. Of course, I'd prefer it if we'd leave it at this, but that's all.

I wanted to suggest Sacred, Sir Tornado, Sarcastro and NabNab for death. However, Sacred is apparently the lover (which could backfire on us, or, well, specifically me, if she turns out to be as good at reading me as I fear), so we don't kill her. Sarcastro appears to be in serious trouble, if I'm reading this correctly, so he is not a good option either. darko and Guardian are also possible. Guardian especially has managed to get himself in the good graces of the others. However, Guardian has tried so badly, and I wouldn't want to kill him now that he's actually playing very well. Also, apart from me, he is probably the most likely person to receive doc protection.

Fonzie, hear Sacred out. Find out her thoughts. It's expected of a lover.

Ryan, good job. I'm sorry for the bussing, but I felt it had to be done. I think Fonzie and I are going to look a lot better here, we've both been nagging on you from the start, pretty much.

Fonzie 22

08-11-2007 06:21 AM ET (US)
No. There is only one mafia lover, which is me, and my lover is Sacred.

ryan 21

08-10-2007 05:24 PM ET (US)
Wait a second? Am I the only one that's mafia without a lover?

Yogurt 20

08-10-2007 04:29 PM ET (US)
I think my lover is Xyzzyy,Or whoever replaced im

ryan 19

08-10-2007 02:18 PM ET (US)
So who's our top list for night kills?

Fonzie 18

08-10-2007 01:45 PM ET (US)
If ever you get lynched, Sarc is in big trouble. Hence, I think we keep him alive.

ryan 17

08-10-2007 10:58 AM ET (US)
Or we kill Sacrastro and Jordan is blamed for it?

ryan 16

08-10-2007 10:48 AM ET (US)
Hey Jordan, if you switch onto the Fleaboy wagon, I won't lynch you until Day 3. That'll give you two nights to kill me.

^that was Sacrastro's quote that made me think we could do something with it

What about Sir Tornado?

Fonzie 15

08-10-2007 10:28 AM ET (US)
Sarc's angle was that it was hugely scummy to unvote SSF that late. That would normally be the case, though with SSF coming up town (and you being a scummer, though Sarc doesn't know that)it's somewhat mitigated.

ryan 14

08-10-2007 10:18 AM ET (US)
Sarcastro wanted somebody to hammer SSF at the end, that should be something we look to exploit here in Day 2.

ryan 13

08-10-2007 10:16 AM ET (US)
If we are going to off somebody on my bandwagon than

Sir Tornado or Jordan are two that would be safe votes. Since Zindaras and Fonz were on my wagon as well, it shouldnt be hard to eliminate ST or Jordan and not look suspicious

Fonzie 12

08-10-2007 10:15 AM ET (US)
I don't see how SSF has six votes though?

Jalyn puts you tied at five.
Guardian unvotes SSF, 5-4 Ryan in lynch position.
Sarc votes SSF, 5-5 with Ryan having gotten there first.
SSF votes Ryan, 6-5.

ryan 11

08-10-2007 10:09 AM ET (US)
I think the vote count is correct.

Jalyn put me at 5 votes tied with ssf
Sarcastro votes ssf to put him at 6
ssf piled on me late to also put me at 6. But since he reached 6 first he was lynched

Fonzie 10

08-10-2007 10:07 AM ET (US)
Night killed? You mean modkilled? I think who the best nightkill is very much depends on whether or not that happens. If it doesn't, I think we oughta off a Ryan voter so you've got a decent chance of surviving tomorrow.

ryan 9

08-10-2007 09:58 AM ET (US)
More than likely I'm getting night killed tonight, so if you believe Jordan sets up the team better to win that might be the right play.

Fonzie 8

08-10-2007 09:53 AM ET (US)
Edited by author 08-10-2007 09:54 AM
Actually, come to think of it, we have to inform Lawrence of his mistake. It would be unsporting not to. Zindy, thoughts? I'm not sure how he can handle this one. He can't revive SSF now his alignment has been revealed, and it wouldn't be fair to modkill Ryan. At least, it wouldn't have been had he been town.

Fonzie 7

08-10-2007 09:50 AM ET (US)
I've no idea how that happened. Obviously, given how yesterday went, I HAVE to bitch about this tomorrow.

Incidentally, I think Jordan might well be the play.

ryan 6

08-10-2007 09:48 AM ET (US)
OH I think he missed it alright

Fonzie 5

08-10-2007 09:47 AM ET (US)
Is it just me, or did Lawrencelot miss the Jalyn vote on Ryan that would have made him the lynch?

ryan 4

08-10-2007 09:40 AM ET (US)
Adel has a role, I'm nearly 100% certain. I believe Guardian is just a townie (as frustrated as he got earlier I doubt he'd try and screw over a lover that easily) Sarcastro is the toughest one to read. I metagamed him in a game that just got over with and his style isn't different from that game

Fonzie 3

08-10-2007 09:39 AM ET (US)
Thought not. That's a little inconvenient actually, since it's going to look quite bad once we've gotten deep into the game and neither Zindy nor Sacred gets nightkilled.

Does anyone have a read on who else might be lovers? We really want to avoid them early on. In particular, any doc tells?

ryan 2

08-10-2007 09:37 AM ET (US)
Nope my pm did not tell me that

Fonzie 1

08-10-2007 09:33 AM ET (US)
Hi guys. First thing of note, I don't know if your PMs told you, Sacred is my lover.

[ryan]

Elmo: It was genuine I guarantee you

[ryan]

FWIW, I got a pretty good town vibe off you in the final day or two. I would probably have listened if you're pushed ryan harder, although I'm not sure how much that makes you feel better; I felt he was scummy

(I agree with Ether's comment that "I hate reading his posts")

but I just bought the distancing from Fonz, and thought NabNab was scummy as well. Muargh.

Uh........thanks

[ryan]

None taken