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VOTE: transcend

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Lapsa is confirmed town? Did I miss something?

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I'm not sure why there's a problem with ginngie not sharing his every read super early. It's hard to make great cases against people very early.

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It looks to me like you were caught out and hopped back on to him.

Only made worse by the idea that in a 21p game with several known lurkers and this site's crappy meta you put him at l-1.

I doubt some of the players have even read the game yet.

This is me at the moment but I'm reading the thread. Feel townie about ginngie and egg so far.

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Uhhh this is kind of exactly how ABR plays. He tunnels and doesn't say a ton yet manages to make people uncomfortable.

...only the scum and the dim-witted, my fellow

This guy's hilarious. Not sure why ginngie is overreacting.

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Why argue so violently about votes on you if you know you're town? Since scum usually does that wouldn't that just cause a lot of confusion for town?

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My vote was a product of rvs. Build a wagon on a player and see what happens.

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My problem I have is there is no actual scum read from before the vote.

The chronology is:

ABR votes Ginngie without any reason
Ginngie asks the reasons
ABR says Ginngie is scum because I asked for reasons

ABR is justifying his vote by saying because he voted, that's worthy of why he should vote.

It seems to me abr pushed for a response out of you and you gave him one.

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I think he hasn't helped enough to seem pro town. I'm honestly a little overwhelmed making the transition to a much bigger player count in this game. I'm trying to cope though. Haven't kept up with the game as much as I would like to either.

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Name calling and personal insults is the oldest trick in the book to get a reaction. Just my opinion though. Egg and four trouble are my 2 town leans at the moment.

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Reading through, and oh my goodness, Gamma really seems scummy this game.

I think it's the exclamation point.

Really an exclamation point makes you scumread me? How would you prefer I wrote it? The exclamation point adds a specific tone I was aiming for.

A case of overreaction. This post felt really unnecessary, as most of us likely know what you were trying to get across to begin with. Maybe it just felt "a little forced". More on that after the next quote.

Lame entrance. Feels a bit forced.
VOTE: platinum

This was kinda just more so rude than anything. A post just saying hello is just a post saying hello. I know this is Mafia and all, but this early in the game, we barely know each other. It's almost as if you're just looking for a reason to try and lynch someone to save your behind for a night.

I don't like either pmyst's or gamma's reaction to lapsa being confirmed town. Pmyst commenting on it being "quick" feels like he wasn't happy about it. Gamma is the exact opposite, seeming to exaggarate his happiness. It's weird how both initially took pisskop's "always town" comment so seriously too. Both players have made a post I liked though (26 and 33).

Fourtrouble, why should we lynch transcend?

And why does pmyst feel town?

(I see you retracted that)

Not a fan of pisskop buddying to ABR.

Tchill, why the naked vote on transcend?

Whymafia is coming off nervous, but also noticed a couple of the same things I did.

Gamma, what is forced about saying hi?

Theta, care to elaborate on your "reasons"?

Texcat, why don't you seem happy with a confirmed town?

Vote Gamma

Why are you asking me what's forced about it? Fifth Amendment bitch!
I was happy to start what seemed like an exciting game.

Well, this seems like another case of an overreaction. Plus, pleading Fifth Amendment in a game of Mafia really doesn't work.

I'm no expert at Mafia, but overreacting to people voting you or asking you questions of this type really does not scream town at all. That, and the completely jerkish move against someone who just wanted to say "hi" really doesn't help favors.

My vote against you was originally an RV, but now I'm sticking to my guns and saying that you are most definitely scum. My vote on you stays, unless you can convince me otherwise. So, please do tell, what reason do you have on a simple "hi" being so forced?

Transcend said this seemed like eager town but I'm surprised this didn't get more attention. Unless everyone just agreed with transcend?

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It seems that the gamma wagon has a few more votes than the transcend wagon. Unless someone changes my mind about the post I mentioned earlier from pmysterious...

VOTE: pmysterious

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Pmysterious just seems like they were trying too hard to read into stuff. What's so scummy about gamma or transcendence again? Ik their wagons were built up but I didn't see any good reasoning behind either one other. I thought they were both a product of rvs.

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Massive why such a strong town read on mutton chop?

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What's that mean lapsa?

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Texcat never seems to.

I remember catching an otherwise neutral texccat in a nightless because of their login time when they shot a guy.

I'd forgotten about that. Now I'm pissed off all over again.

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ABR and Massive are both voting for Lapsa. Will the Transcend voters move over to ABR or Massive now?

Abr or massive? What about lapsa? That's a wagon I can get behind.

VOTE: lapsa

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Massive why such a strong town read on mutton chop?

Yeah under no circumstances have I said I have a strong townread on him. I just said I don't want to ever lynch him. Pure entertainment value is pretty limited in some of these games and you gotta take it where you get it.

And some sons of biscuits better learn to freaking edit their quotes or there will be heck to pay.

And I could follow ABR a bit.

VOTE: lapsa

When you say I'm never lynching someone I think it's fair for my 1st thought to be it's a town read. I think winning is pretty entertaining. I also think Abr has more entertainment value but to each their own.

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Theta why is lapsa a mod confirmed townie?

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UNVOTE:

Okay there's no reason to vote lapsa I apologize. I just seen where he's mod confirmed town. I'm an idiot.

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I'm not gonna vote until I give this game the adequate time it deserves to catch up tomorrow. Seeing how I missed something as simple as that means I'm being lazy. I will catch up tomorrow afternoon and attempt to scum hunt.

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VOTE: lore

Yeah I wasn't really paying attention before. I did call myself an idiot by the way. Like it's pretty stupid to miss the 1st post. I understand why so many people scum read me. The ones that say I'm a town lean are the ones confusing me.

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Lore pushing me makes sense. As I read the game though my thoughts didn't line up with his. It seems to me he's only pushing me so aggressively because I'm the only one he's got a strong enough case against to deflect on him though.

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Lexa is probably my 2nd biggest scum read though. Egg still feels town.

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I'm trying to decide what I think about mutton.

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Finally... I'm finally caught up and what do I run into at the end? Another Ginngie melt down. Anyways I've played hysterically bad at this point. I'll actually put an effort in from here on out. I'll probably still play just as bad so I apologize.
*picks up Capri sun*

VOTE: crush

Tupac is as entertaining as abr by the way, probably more.

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Yeah ask transcend about me when I just got caught up and I'm eager to join the group.

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Well while you're here what do you think about the fact that Theta, massive and crush haven't gotten near as much attention as they should've?

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I'd hate to overflow you're one track mind. I guess we'll wait on transcend.

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Penguin didn't you just mod my second game? It is my first game outside of Rome.

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I scum lean on four trouble BTW. Before the naked vote.

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Four trouble seemed like he was grasping at straws on a lot of his early scum reads. Trying too hard isn't an issue but when you're forcing things that don't line up with my mindset at all as a townie I'm gonna get scum vibes.

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I just said they needed more attention. Never listed my scum reads. I'm not going to scum read Theta for not being active but Theta should get pressure because of it.

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Abr also has avoided a lot of attention.

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I voted Crush. I scum read Crush. I scum don't know about massive but I feel like he's played scummy enough to deserve more attention. I don't see how you scum read Theta off of his "language" or way with words. That just seemed very odd. I don't scum read Theta simply because he hasn't posted enough.

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I'm null on massive. I have no clue really. I just pointed out he hasn't been talked about too much. The only guy I scum read enough to vote is the one I voted. Crush. I scum lean on four trouble. I meant to delete the scum part on massive because I just don't know which way to lean with him.

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Theta's post don't seem to contain any alignment indicative play. To me personally.

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Man one side of me would appreciate it if people stopped poking Ginngie just to get reactions. The other side says screw it and just acknowledge the fact that Ginngie won't be too much help reacting so blatantly emotional.

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Can you explain the scum read? I'm just pointing out people should be getting pressured more. Who do you disagree with in that list?

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I really, just like 4 troubles case. I just wanted you to go into more detail 4 trouble I didn't understand what you meant and it didn't look like you had a lot to me. I guess I town lean 4 trouble for now...

VOTE: theta

I understand there were separate wagons earlier for rvs reasons. I don't see why a lore wagon and a theta wagon wouldn't be useful here.

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There was a reason I voted lapsa before I realized he was conf town.

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Gamma what do you think of crush and massive?

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What exactly feels town about massive? Lapsa what in his reads makes you feel he deserves a vote?

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Mod confirmed the most useless town. Scum won"t even NK watch.

I'm just gonna leave this here.

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Crush can you give me some reads on massive and four trouble whenever you get a chance?

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36-Tchill is calling for attention on people instead of actually questioning them himself. Why is he expecting others to do the heavy lifting? Still happy with my vote.

I'm asking people for reads of others I'm suspicious about and I'm trying to get them to do the heavy lifting? There's reasons I'm already suspicious about you. Asking what others think is a much better way to get something talked about.

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Massive hasn't game solved at all. I made a lazy, ignorant play because I wasn't paying attention and he attempted to claim he had a part in that stating it was his "plan". I don't believe that at all. Cheap way to get cred.

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Umm I posted why you seem scummy to me. You called it shade though.

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And lapsa's play has just been terrible to me from a townie perspective. I honestly scum read him before I seen the mod confirmation.

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I think there's a good chance either theta or massive is scum. Really my only 2 scum reads right now though. I'm null on a lot of people.

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I'm not sure about transcend. He's definitely not a town read though. I'm not crazy about pisskop either. Whymafia seems towny to me.

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I also doubt transcends scum game would have such a huge difference. He's probably just reaction testing.

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From what I remember he makes jokes/pushes for quick lynches and has this weird refusal to help.

I'm not crazy about ginngie pointing this out.

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You're clearly about to try and start a wagon. If transcend was scum I probably would have been lynched or come much closer to it. It's laughable the amount of pressure I got as scummy as I looked I definitely should have gotten pushed more. He didn't push a lynch for me at all.

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I town read ginngie until she explained she blew up every vote she got of every game. That's a great way to maintain an easy play style with no difference at all between games you're town and games you're scum.

You're the one that pointed it out and I also kind scum leaned you. So you in particular pointing that out wasn't a good feeling to me.

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but for real, I can link almost literally every town game I've played in and I fight and dig my nails into every vote that comes my way. It's NAI at worst, town tell at best.

To have a good scum game it needs to look like you're town game right? I might be wrong I just started playing a few months ago but to me that seems like an extremely easy way to make you're town and scum games look the same.

I town read you because it seemed like you were trying to gamesolve decent enough for rvs. It changed a little when you posted this. It changed a little more when you started pushing transcend which is a very easy push right now to be honest. I personally think he's town and he's reaction testing with his play.

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But my 1st game all somebody did was reaction test. It maybe biased a little but from my mafia experience that's what I'm getting from transcend.

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I'm gonna get bit in the ass a lot either way. You live and you learn but I appreciate the help.

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Abr hasn't been around in a while. Theta hasnt helped too much but maybe he will when he catches up. Massive hasn't attempted to game solve at all.

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Who do you scum read lapsa?

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Yeah whymafia I was gonna ignore that because he's trying to catch up. That's not right though.

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That's it?

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So asking someone for their reads is asking them to do the heavy lifting. I have my thoughts I want to know other people's thoughts. I'll let give you my reads in just a minute.

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Theta and massive as scum
Lexa and egg as town

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My 2 scum reads come from a lack of game solving and activity. Lexa's read on lore stood out to me as why she's town and egg because it seemed like he was game solving the most.

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Egg what information, if any, do you need from me to help you with my slot?

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I'm fine with lynching theta. I guess I can see why you're pushing him so hard now.

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In response to lore wanting to know what it was for transcend already had a few votes on him and I wanted to help build the wagon in rvs. There's only SO much you can nitpick out of rvs that has actual reason behind it. That's all that was. I already gave my explanation of why I believed transcend was town. When I said theta and massive needed more attention they weren't quite scum reads at that point they just stood out to me but I didn't have much reason to back it up. Since then 4t's case against theta makes sense and massive I noticed you tried to take credit for what was a lazy vote on lapsa on my end. There's not many people "gamesolving" but you tried to look like you were when you claimed credit for my lapsa vote. I would definitely have payed more attention to the beginning of the game if I was scum. I hate rvs, ignored the game for a bit then it got away from me. I had like 10 to 15 pages to catch up on and I didn't read them very well before interacting a bit.

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It's only "evidence" if it relates to facts. Otherwise it's just "an additional opinion."

But I can be left out of this. Let's go back to lynching Tchill.

Pretty sure massive is town for tunneling me so hard. I've tried to explain it man. I voted transcend and lapsa to start wagons early for in in rvs. You don't have enough reasons in rvs. You just do it. You're claim that it was you're plan for someone to forget is laughable IMHO. Go read lapsa's iso up until I voted him and tell me you think he's town without knowing he's mod confirmed town. 2 or 3 people have complained about his play already. I honestly thought his posts didn't make a lot of sense and I wanted a wagon on him. That's all there is to it.

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*no reason in rvs

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At least from my dumb play I can judge players on how they read me. Transcend defended me but he had a good reason for it. I'll have to go back and see who else defended me for little to no reason because I honestly look terribly scummy.

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Here's a thought let's just lynch abr for doing absolutely nothing.

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Crush is my 2nd scum read as of right now. Theta being first. Massive is a town read from me now seeing as how hard he's tunneling me. Egg is my strongest town read because of that but he also is putting in a lot of effort.

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Lexa Pmysterious is my 3rd scum read so I'm good with that. I think there's a good chance 1 of Pisskop, crush or Pmysterious is scum. Does anyone agree with this? I can go into detail if needed. I'm not asking for people to do the heavy lifting I'd just like to know if my thoughts line up with anyone else.

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Pmysterious nitpicked a lot in rvs. Reads seemed almost forced to me. I voted him earlier for the same reason.

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Mutton have you already explained why you town read me?

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I'm OK with saying I'm bad. Nobody ever answered me when I asked about lapsa. I already explained the votes were to build wagons to see what happens. I'm just going to keep saying the same things because they're what actually happened.

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I think t chill is bad green
if lore flips red t chill is lock town he is my queen
(this means he never get roped which is dope)

Went back and read muttons iso. This is the only thing I see about me being town. Doesn't really have an explanation behind it either. Transcend had a good reason to town read me. Lexa said it was a gut read. Mutton hasn't provided a good reason yet.

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While I think Pmysterious is the way to go right now I'd like to entertain muttons Town read on me sooner or later.

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VOTE: pmysterious

By the way I have no idea what to think of the concept of the pyramid. Is that a routine thing? Is that just something lapsa did? I'm foreign to the concept.

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Ok that's kind of how I interpreted it. I read the wiki on roles in normal games. I wasn't sure if that was part of being the IC or not. Didn't think it was but wasn't sure. I was surprised I wasn't on the very bottom.

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I wasn't particularly wondering no. Stuff has to happen before you can have reasons behind what you do. I thought that was kind of the point of rvs.

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My vote changes a lot on day 1 anyways. You don't get any hard evidence until a lynch and you can go back and look who voted where. This site likes to take a long time on day 1. While it maybe irritating to me because I like to see where votes are on lynches I understand that there's a better chance we lynch scum the longer the day is, that's what everyone says at least. I'll be much better in the days moving forward but my day 1 game play is rough. Obviously.

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People I'm for lynching: theta, lore, pmysterious

People I'm not against lynching: penguin, abr, pisskop, gamma, crush

People I am against lynching: egg, Lexa, four trouble, Transcend, massive, Ginngie

People I can't decide on: whymafia, texcat

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if people stopped pushing me on it i would not have to reference it
if this gets too bad i will replace out
i really do not like having to skirt the rules this badly just because people keep pushing me on an earlier statement

She threatened to request out on top of me already thinking she's scum because of the language of her posts. I agree with 4 trouble a lot on her.

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Lore pushed me when they got a lot of heat and I was the easiest scum push.

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Ginngie you're supposed to break the game, that's what you claomed. Why would I want you gone? Anyways I also heavily read egg and massive for how much they pushed me. So no pisskop voting me isn't why I'm not against lynching him

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Off break gotta go back to wo will be on tonight.

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Pisskop comes off as scum trying to get town cred when I flip town IMHO.

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It's a good play for a scum slot to do that after they replaced in... *cough* *cough* vedith

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And my list that said not opposed to lynch is a mixture of scum leans or people I just don't flat out town read. My town reads are the ones I said I do not want to lynch.

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The reason I read pisskop differently from egg is because there was a good bit of scum hunting from egg before his vote and pressure on me. Pisskops iso seems to be a lot of fluff until the vote and continuous push on me. Doesn't seem like he's scum hunted or game solved much. I'm looking forward to vediths reads after he catches up more.

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Hey I never said I knew you were scum. Simply said I'm not against lynching you because I don't have a good town read on you. I still believe vedith's slot and lore are scummier than you at the moment. It's hard to read pushes on me because I'm scummy af but scum know I'm town.

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Meant to say theta. Vedith had just replaced in and theta had just asked for a replacement. I don't scum read vedith. It's null so far. He seems to be catching up.

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I think lapsa is chilly actually.

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Vedith why is mutton scummy?

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"We're gonna need a bigger wagon"

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but for real, I can link almost literally every town game I've played in and I fight and dig my nails into every vote that comes my way. It's NAI at worst, town tell at best.

To have a good scum game it needs to look like you're town game right? I might be wrong I just started playing a few months ago but to me that seems like an extremely easy way to make you're town and scum games look the same.

I town read you because it seemed like you were trying to gamesolve decent enough for rvs. It changed a little when you posted this. It changed a little more when you started pushing transcend which is a very easy push right now to be honest. I personally think he's town and he's reaction testing with his play.

Ginngie I was just pushing this for a reaction. Nothing really happened with it. I don't think it picked up any discussion at all actually. As of right now I'd rather not lynch you today. That's my explanation.

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Ginngie you're supposed to break the game, that's what you claomed. Why would I want you gone? Anyways I also heavily read egg and massive for how much they pushed me. So no pisskop voting me isn't why I'm not against lynching him

Why are you okay with lynching him Then? What did he do?

It's day 1 and because it's day 1 I'm OK with lynching anyone I don't have a strong town read on so I can get some information out of where votes were placed on the lynch. While I'd rather lynch theta's slot or Lore I'm not gonna argue against any other player as long as there is a decent case against them.

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@Tchill, I probably lean more towards town for FourTrouble right now. There are a few things that I don't like such as his read on me and some shit about Lexa's wall confirming she's town. But a decent proportion of his posts seem to be gamesolving, I really liked the post he did on Theta and I overall don't see anything blatantly wrong with his posts so far. I like the way he pushed on me a lot more than for example Transcend has done, I get the feeling FourTrouble is actually willing to reconsider by asking me questions (I have missed one as I saw reading through your ISO). Probably don't want to lynch FourTrouble today. Massive as well, I like his reads generally but his posts feel less townie than FourTrouble's posts at the moment. But I probably don't want to lynch Massive either.

@FourTrouble, I wanted to read through your ISO as well, which I have done. I think Theta is a fine lynch but Tchill as well, I still need to read the last 5 pages to see if that changes anything.

After going back and reading crush's iso a few times I think he's a town lean for me. Vedith mentioned crush's iso seems solid which Is why I went back and read over it.

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I thought the same about Mutton but it really isn't that bad reading his iso. I think transcend needs to make it to day 2. There's a lot of people that like to stay in the middle on day 1. Too towny and you're nk'd. Too scummy and you're lynched. I think this massive push on transcend is a knock on his scum game. I believe his scum game would be better than this. Now he could be obv scumming and if that continues yeah he should get lynched. Not day 1 though.

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Unless we have a for sure scum vote I personally feel like penguin should be the one to go.

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What do you think about the penguin vote Mutton? Half as many posts as transcend who many people say haven't helped at all. Doesn't seem to be scum hunting whatsoever.

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OK, I'm here. Tchill seems to be a non-starter today so I'm looking at the other wagons, if anyone wants to point me towards specifics.

It seems the penguin wagon might pick up soon. Just to be clear I voted transcend just to do it in rvs to build a wagon. So me not knowing that transcend is getting votes because he voted the IC and me not knowing lapsa is the IC go together. It makes sense. Lore do you have any scum reads other than me or transcend? I voted you because I was you're deflection and you hadn't seemed to be game solving too much. It's towny to push me because I'm scummy af. It's not towny to push me because you're getting pushed and I'm the LHF.

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Not crazy about pmysterious's reads. Seems to come down to who's communicating/ not fluffing.

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If people aren't thinking their actions through, it's impossible to believe there's a specific motive behind it.

It's day 1, it was rvs, I wanted to see what would happen by building the wagon. I don't particularly care for day 1 or rvs seeing how there's no solid evidence to look at until there's a lynch. I changed my read on you because I'm scummy and it makes sense to tunnel me as town. It doesn't make sense to tunnel me as scum because when I flip town then they'll get looked at. I didn't like how pisskop was going about it because I didn't see him give many scum reads before he tunneled me. Pushing the LHF doesn't really help town because you're just regurgitating the same few points over and over again. When you're constantly looking at the group people for town and scum and provide reads on players and share those then town gets helped a ton. I've given several people I thought were town. A few I thought were probably scum and a few I can't tell so I'm OK with lynching on DAY 1. That's important. Day 1. I want solid information. Lore's making a ton of sense in his case against me. He's feeling more and more towny. Theta slot or pmysterious are who I'd lynch if it was solely up to me. I know a lot will think I'm just trying to dodge attention with what I've said but apparently people are reading my scum game. I cared a lot about every post. Not too worried about my posts on day 1 as a townie because I don't have anything to go off of and acting like I do would be a joke. Of course I'm much less experienced. Now I have been lazy to a fault but lynching me puts town in a worse position and that's the only reason I'm trying to explain my play. If I thought my lynch would lead to a few scum members I'd be fine with it but I don't think that's the case.

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Tchill: Why does lynching you as town put us in a worse position, but you're ok lynching Theta who you can't tell the alignment of?

If I advocated lynching my slot then I'd knowingly lynch a townie slot from my perspective. If I try to lynch his slot I'm persuing a slot ik has a chance to be scummy and to me looks scummy atm.

I'll have to look at this from your perspective and answer you. That's a good question. 1st thought is I feel like 4t is town and you seen his association list and I'm OK with him working like that. For an adequate answer from your perspective I'll need more time though.

I could ask you why lynching me would put town in a better position than lynching a number of people but I doubt you'll answer before hearing mine. I don't blame you.

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I'm kind of a big deal around here

I feel like everyone thinks they're a big deal.

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RC is apparently a big deal everywhere I look I swear he gets mentioned.

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Lexa you and egg are my biggest town reads. What do you think is the safer lynch. Pmysterious, penguin or lore? It's hard to get a back and forth with someone in here. I think the SAFEST is probably penguin.

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VOTE: penguin power

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We already discussed this. He's the safest vote at the moment and I'm not just going to vote Lore or theta's slot off a few ideas.

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Loren why do you scum read pisskop? He tunneled me and you scum read me so wouldn't that make him more towny to you?

I'd be OK with lynching why mafia honestly. Like I said as long as it's not my town reads I really don't care. I would like o feel better about lore before lynching whymafia. Assuming we stay away from penguin.

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Lore.

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Lapsa has been so helpful with his insight on transcend. He's changed so many people's minds.

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If I had 5 scum bullets I'd probably shoot:

Pmysterious

Penguin

Why mafia

And lore twice.

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I don't want to accidentally kill town.

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I have no clue what multi ball is. Like I tried to guess what it maybe in the context... I got nothing. Lore you're definitely not as scummy as I thought you were to begin with but I'm not a fan of players that react to every single vote that gets put on them. Comes off as scummy to me.

Slingshotwaffles is my favorite name so far.

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I don't think scum transcend plays that blatantly scummy. He's town to me.

[Tchill13]

I don't think scum transcend plays that blatantly scummy. He's town to me.

Too scummy to be scum is your reasoning?

What if I can give you 3 examples of too scummy to be scum and tell you why you lynch scummy players for being scummy?

If that's the only justification then know that I'm going to easily disprove that.

What is actually town play here?

I don't care if you disprove it. He's town to me. I told you why. It's more of a gut feel than a makes sense feel. I feel like if lapsa thinks he's scum that's good town cred anyways.

[Tchill13]

Ginngie do you want to get NK'd by scum? Playing obvtown day 1 gets you NK'd. If transcend does something to change my mind I'll consider him scum but if you're a good player you don't want to get NK'd after day 1. I'm not gonna argue on transcend because the only one that can change my mind on that slot is transcend.

Vedith don't poke Ginngie right here I already seen it once.

[Tchill13]

I love day 1. We just run in circles until we go back to the 1st wagon that was transcend.

Oh no this Ginngie is worse than tantrum Ginngie.

[Tchill13]

if every player obv towned thst wouldn't be an issue
anyways, don't use that logic, he's town on meta and that's it foo

Good point.

[Tchill13]

I'm just ready to lynch somebody tbh. I'll try to be a little less irritable.

[Tchill13]

People I'm for lynching: theta, lore, pmysterious

People I'm not against lynching: penguin, abr, pisskop, gamma, crush

People I am against lynching: egg, Lexa, four trouble, Transcend, massive, Ginngie

People I can't decide on: whymafia, texcat

Other than whymafia I don't think this has changed. After I posted this pmysterious, penguin and crush got a few votes I do believe. I still feel OK with my reads.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: pmysterious

[Tchill13]

Well I tried to get that going earlier and it died so...

[Tchill13]

What

[Tchill13]

Is

[Tchill13]

Multi ball?

[Tchill13]

Oh okay. That's pretty difficult. I mean I'm just getting used to scum hunting.

[Tchill13]

How can we be in multi ball if we haven't even lynched someone yet?

[Tchill13]

But I do remember me questioning abr and Ginngie defending him and it just felt a little odd to me.

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Here's a thought let's just lynch abr for doing absolutely nothing.

No we can't do that

his push on me was pro town as fuck

Like you shut that down real quick.

[Tchill13]

Alright Ginngie since you're here can you help me with multi ball a little? Mutton never provided good reason to town read me. Transcend did. That's where my town read on transcend comes from. Why town read me with a perfectly good reason if I'm an easy lynch. He's the one that brought up my meta. While Lexa doesn't really give a good town reason to lynch me either she seemed towny to begin with, after her wall at least. I never felt that way about Mutton. This exchange where Mutton constantly defended me and Pisskop tunnled me... I found that odd. Could that be a possible scum team? Pisskop tunnels knowing I won't get lynched because Mutton protects me?

[Tchill13]

It might seem like I'm steering the game the wrong way but I'm doing it with good intentions. I'm still learning to play and I'd rather make my own mistakes. That's the best way to learn but I do feel like I'm trying to do the right things for town at least. Had to ask twice about multi ball. Asked twice about lapsa and got no help there either.

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Hey I'm learning a lot. So far I've learned people love to trade avis and rhyme. Which is nice I haven't done either I'll really have to step that up. In a few games or so I suspect I'll think I'm a legend which will also be super cool. The rhyming is going to be a tough one though. Never heard of the term rhyme until I played a new york game.

[Tchill13]

For real though I'll pull back on the questions I can see how that would get annoying. I'll stick strictly to the wiki from now on. It's understandable.

[Tchill13]

I can respect that vote

I wish I could vote lore and pmysterious at the same time.

[Tchill13]

Didn't meant to quote that.

[Tchill13]

Everyone changing their avis to the same as someone else is scum team claiming.

[Tchill13]

Uhh... I should probably vote someone that'll actually get lynched today.

VOTE: lore

[Tchill13]

Four trouble is as obsessed with theta as lapsa is transcend.

[Tchill13]

Pretty sure there's scum between Lore, penguin and Pmysterious.

[Tchill13]

You didn't change your avi though so you didn't scum team claim. You got that going for you... Which is nice.

[Tchill13]

The avi thing is a joke... Whymafia they're not my only scum reads man. I'm just stating something I'm leaning towards.

[Tchill13]

I think Lore is at L-2 or something

And the fact that she refuses to vote WhyMafia makes me believe that she's associated with him.

I'm catching up, so I don't know what's in the next page but this doesn't seem associated driven. This seems like she's trying to get town cred for not taking an easy vote and trying to start another wagon right now.

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I think lores best chance to lynch someone else was when the pmysterious wagon started to get some traction. I don't think she made a play on that at all. If she can kill someone this night phase then why in the world would lore push me or transcend so hard instead of finding easier avenues. Me and him both have been scum read and while transcend was at a more dangerous place to be lynched we've both had a lot of attention and neither have been put at L-3 or anything like that. In my opinion if she had a night kill she would've stopped wasting her time with a lynch on either of us and pushed someone like pmysterious, theta, or why mafia. So I don't believe the claim. Even if I'm wrong about the claim I don't feel like my reasoning is flawed. I don't think I'm wrong about this one either way.

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anyway, at this point idgaf. lynch me or don't, ive said everything i can say.

Yet you won't vote WhyMafia.
So you are happy to be lynched over WhyMafia
Or even PM...

i have no case for whymafia?
why are you so mad about my vote on transcend?

why are you attempting to strongarm me into taking my vote off him?

buddies?

Strong arm? You're vote isn't a threat to transcend at the moment because you're super close to being lynched... This is just bad.

[Tchill13]

Lore is refusing to discuss why she won't vote PM even though she already said she would kill PM.

Probably won't get any useful information from lore seeing how she gave up out if despair. It's understandable from her view point. If she's town though and she's already conceded to her flip why not go into AS MUCH DETAIL AS POSSIBLE about you're reads. They'll have more credibility if you flip town right?

[Tchill13]

Why gamma why?

[Tchill13]

Agreed.

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That sling is scum because of thetas slot.

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Like the stuff you "read" is probably the pique of suspense for today.

Vedith why aren't you making a case against lynching lore haven't you said she's town a few times?

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Oh man I speak up a little and I'm hit with a threat?... How nice. I just don't like seeing you not act the way you've been acting the closer we get to a lore lynch. Also asking for people to vote whymafia and pmysterious during the whole episode. This way you're not outright disagreeing with the wagon in the midst of discussion but you're not helping it. Seems odd... Well not odd but fishy... No it's not fishy but a lot like fishy... Scummy? Yeah that's it.

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You were talking to lore in particular about voting whymafia or pmysterious. Disregard what I said. It's cool. When you brought up pmysterious with whymafia it jumped out at me but that was in correlation to you asking lore to vote pmysterious. My apologies.

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Whymafia several people said you're scummy even though there's no wagon on you yet. I agree that whymafia is scummy.

[Tchill13]

Who's scum out of me and you? I don't particularly believe you're scum and ik I'm not scum so that's just wasted effort. I noticed something and I pointed it out. If I'm scum at the moment I sit back and I don't rock the boat. Not gonna 1v1 you I don't believe youre scum. I just stated that I seen the mistake I made.

[Tchill13]

Like I just town read Lexa and egg because they're doing towny stuff. Vedith's play throughout the game is the one that my thought process has seen a lot of similarity to.

[Tchill13]

No they haven't. Egg keeps posting about irl work but Lexa hasn't done too much. Transcend is town to me I'm still pretty firm on that. Ginngie talked about a "town throw down" then dissappeared... Lynching lore is okay with me. Sling needs to stop dancing around the pr claim.

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Vedith do you still that that's an association issue or just lore trying to get town cred for not voting whymafia?

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I love how I disagree with the IC so strongly. I shouldn't expect anything different now. I claim I town read vedith and bam he naked votes him lol.

Vedith I can see your point there. It's by default an association issue if they're both scum. Of course I'd vote my scum partner to distance but that's a play style thing I guess.

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That's why I thought it was a town cred thing. She shoots all these opportunistic votes down as to say she's not scum because she's not gonna try to start a wagon in despair.

[Tchill13]

It's a last resort type move. She did that then left. I'm not saying it's a good play but to be honest what good plays are available to her at the moment? I still think whymafia and lore are scum either way.

[Tchill13]

Speaking of tunneling... When pisskop was tunneling me I was pretty aggravated but I understood. So aggravated I said he was scummy but after looking at it again I got town vibes from it. Seeing how scummy I was at the moment. So he started to get some town cred from me at least... He hasn't posted in a while though. I don't remember him putting his 2 cents in on this situation so I don't know what to think of him.

[Tchill13]

Lore flips scum waffles gonna be next haha.

[Tchill13]

Total shocker judge replaces in and goes straight for transcend.

[Tchill13]

So should I make a case to lore about why I shouldn't be killed or? I don't necessarily believe his claim.

[Tchill13]

Eww. Not a fan of Judge at all.

[Tchill13]

Judge explain to me why abr, pmysterious and thetas slot /waffles are not scummier than transcend.

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I don't need an explanation as to why you're scummier than transcend. Once again just because I pointed out a few people doesn't mean those are my only reads... The only helpful information I could get from you is why you believe that pmysterious and whymafia are not scummy enough to vote.

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@ four trouble Is you're decision not to lynch lore because of a lack of association reads you can get from his flip? You were big on that for theta.

[Tchill13]

It was literally one of your main selling points I thought? I'll go and reread but that's what stood out to me the most.

[Tchill13]

Vote Count 1.11

Lore [8]:

texcat, Albert B. Rampage, Transcend, Lexa, Tchill13, SlingshotWaffles, MuttonChopMagic, Ginngie

Transcend [5]:

Egg, massive, PenguinPower, Judge Joseph Dredd, Lore

SlingshotWaffles [3]:

Gamma Emerald, FourTrouble, Vedith,

PMysterious [1]:

pisskop,

Tchill13 [1]:

Crush,

PenguinPower [1]:

Tchill13

texcat [1]:

WhyMafia

Vedith [1]:

Lapsa

Not Voting [0]:

With

21

alive, it takes

11

to lynch.

Deadline ends in (expired on 2017-06-13 19:30:00) on

June 13th.

Mod Notes:

Hey, guys! Heated discussion is fine and all, but let's try and stay away from the direct insults. Let's not have anymore straight up "F**k you" posts.

I liked the troll tbh.

[Tchill13]

Why do I keep accidentally quoting things... Anyways to the moderater he's got me voting penguin power and lore in the vote count I think.

Man, it's always you I mess up with, haha.

[Tchill13]

Pmysterious you haven't voted?

[Tchill13]

Judge's claim of one time lynchee. The only troll I haven't been a fan of is the avi one. To each there own.

[Tchill13]

From your perspective that's fair enough. Do you have any scum leans? Or town leans?

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I'm in favor of lore. That's not changing but there's no reason not ask someone as to why someone else seems scummier than them. It seems like one's not voting lore are only justifying it by voting transcend. Pmysterious didn't do that so it intrigued me.

[Tchill13]

I'm okay with lynching PM if Lore promises to not shoot Trans.

Lore is probably gonna shoot me if the claim isn't a lie. I'm OK with lynching pmysterious or SlingshotWaffles.

[Tchill13]

Looks like I need to start working on some town cred if the group consensus is I should get shot this night phase.

[Tchill13]

I agree. So what do you advise I do to not get shot vedith? I agree with not playing for town cred and just playing to lynch scum.

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I guess we'll see then. Say we lynch pmysterious though and we get a scum lynch that's fine with me. Getting shot night 1 as a result of lymchin scum is something I'm willing to live with.

[Tchill13]

Well I'm fairly confident SlingshotWaffles and pmysterious are both scum. That slot was scum read and it doesn't seem like sling has scum hunted since replacing.

[Tchill13]

I'm willing to lynch sling over lore. If it was do or die have to lynch scum I think I'd go with him if Lore wasn't an option.

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VOTE: waffles

[Tchill13]

I have an interesting idea free of salt
What if jjd is a lapsa alt?

I might agree with this.

[Tchill13]

Too much risk for mafia to mess with Lore's shot. So, no. Have Lore shoot Waffles, and ynch confirmed scum. That ensures we get rid of mafia before the Night, which increases the likelihood that Lore's shot isn't fucked by mafia.

I like this.

[Tchill13]

we lynch waffles

Lore shoots JJD

it confirms like 3 people in 2 cycles

Soooo

no.

I like this too though.

[Tchill13]

I'm curious as to why Ginngie is opposed to 4t's plan. Both seem pretty good. With what transcend posted though that makes 4t's a little better in my honest opinion. If what transcend said really happened... I missed it... Then I'd go with 4t's plan.

[Tchill13]

Ginngie's response made me chuckle.

[Tchill13]

So I'm assuming the 4t strategy is much better at this point? If Ginngie can break the game before a day 1 lynch that's pretty impressive.

[Tchill13]

If yall want to go read the booney tunez disclaimer on page 1 it explains something about the roles that sound a lot like that one might. I believe the claim.

[Tchill13]

Once I made the mistake of lazily voting the IC I went back and read pretty much everything. I didn't want to continue to play badly because of lack of reading.

[Tchill13]

So he can only protect vt's? If that's the case he could protect me this night phase and clear my slot as VT right? Which would also protect me from Lore if his claim is real.

[Tchill13]

I wasn't opposed to it.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: jjd

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Page 104-105

Platinum posted something the mod deleted along the lines of "fuck this site, btw i was scum".

There ya go texcat

[Tchill13]

I feel pretty good about the jjd wagon.

[Tchill13]

My role PM suggests he is telling the truth about his role but i don't think his alignment is town

Ugh

That's the only thing I'm curious about at the moment.

[Tchill13]

Don't see why that would be an issue?