Mafia 69: noXkill - Game over!

curiouskarmadog · Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:36 pm

ZONEACE wrote:oh, and CKD your attempt to make me look scummy by not voting for known scum (kison over Peers/DAS) looks even more ridiculous when you look at the fact you yourself are the SAME THING RIGHT NOW.

this has been addressed, please read my post

curiouskarmadog · Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:40 pm

wow...please explain to me..why pushing for my lynch or Kison over DaS or peers was protown?

also, please explain why wanting to completely eliminate one scum group today is anti-town.

curiouskarmadog · Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:24 am

Peers wrote:But if you lynch me, how will you test Cicero's Bulletproofness? Or find out if anyone else is wolf or not? Lynch me now, and it's two kills tonight... lynch the wolf, and there's only one, and you know who to lynch tomorrow...

interesting...so you are saying that you will test Cicero tonight?

curiouskarmadog · Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:27 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:
Peers wrote:But if you lynch me, how will you test Cicero's Bulletproofness? Or find out if anyone else is wolf or not? Lynch me now, and it's two kills tonight... lynch the wolf, and there's only one, and you know who to lynch tomorrow...
interesting...so you are saying that you will test Cicero tonight?

when did you decide you were going to do that? WHy have you never tested ZA?

curiouskarmadog · Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:49 am

TheHermit wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't we tell Peers to test someone for wolfiness yesterday, and then his mafia decided to kill somebody else? If our "tester" can't be trusted to provide accurate results, then he is no good to us as a tester. That he COULD be used to test wolfiness is irrelevant; he WON'T, and that makes him a liability. That's just my opinion on these proceedings.

well I thought whome was scummy, I think I even mentioned I wanted to see whome tested...

curiouskarmadog · Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:06 am

so you saw the post then.

well in the same post, I also wanted ZA tested...I was just curious why you choice whome over ZA.

curiouskarmadog · Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:56 am

cicero wrote:
2. Get me lynched.

incorrect..that dont NEED to get you lynched to win.

curiouskarmadog · Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:57 am

why not have Peers check Kison or Kanaga?

curiouskarmadog · Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:53 am

Peers, since you are in the business of bringing down wolves (and of course town)as well...where will your vote be going and why?

curiouskarmadog · Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:33 pm

I guess I missed your vote..

I saw that you thought Kison was scum, couldnt figure out why you hadnt voted him yet...but according to the last vote count you had already..

curiouskarmadog · Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:38 pm

cicero wrote:Well - the last wolf could choose to do them a favor and eat me but why would he?

If there's something else I'm missing I need to know.

Well, i just finished writing out a snarky repsonse when I realize I was being daft...For some reason, I thought that if it went down to 4 people (2 scum 2 town) that the scum would win do to endgame...but it doesnt work that way because they can not NK you..

so disregard that comment..I guess the mafia does need to concinve us to vote you...

curiouskarmadog · Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:55 am

shit I knew I was right...so NO, the scum dont need to convince anyone to lynch you to win..thanks hjallti (and welcome).

curiouskarmadog · Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:23 am

cicero wrote:Well - the last wolf could choose to do them a favor and eat me but why would he?

If there's something else I'm missing I need to know.

then why ask me this question when I said the mafia do not NEED to convince the town to have you lynched to win.

curiouskarmadog · Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:25 am

so tell me Peers, why were you acting the way that you were in that game?

because it looked town?

why do town act the way they do, because they are town...

so you want us to hang Kison based on your actions in another game tha have nothing to do with anything? you understand how silly you sound I hope. Given that argument, we should hang ZA today because he acted much like you before we found out you were scum...again, that is a silly case by itself.

Do you have another case? Have you meta-ed Kison? anything?

curiouskarmadog · Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:59 am

also keep in mind, Peers knows as soon as we find the wolf, he is dead...it would be in his best interest to help us find the wolf.., but not today. If he thinks that Kison is a wolf, let him test him tonight..I think we need to get rid of ZA today..

curiouskarmadog · Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:29 am

Peers wrote:
Hjallti wrote:Others: if Peers in anyway made this considerations as well, it might clearify why he kept pointing at a two mafia faction: from a 15:2:3 starting setup I would vote ZoneAce at the moment.
*looks at the numberS*

*looks at Zoneace*

Yeah... yeah, lynch Zoneace... then as long as we can pick a different target then the wolves, you guys're in LYLO with no way out since killing me won't stop a nightkill...

Kison is the wolf, BTW.

what was the point in posting this?

oh right, let us know that you think ZA is town...why are you going out on a limb for ZA when you are not suppose to know his alignment?

dammit..I am beginning to think that ZA is mafia with Peers and not the wolf.

unvote Zoneace

curiouskarmadog · Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:03 am

Peers wrote:
Sikario8 wrote:
Peers wrote:*rolls eyes* Yes, because I'm so obviously going out on a limb to protect him by saying lynching him is a bad idea when
I know who the wolf is
.

•
Is the question whether to believe?
Okay, fair enough. That should be "I -believe- I know who the wolf is."

Let's put it this way: I know who the wolf is in the same way most Catholics know there is a God... I cannot at this point fathom a possibility where it is otherwise.

Tell me why ZA cant be the wolf...or why you "believe" ZA is not the wolf.

curiouskarmadog · Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:20 am

Peers wrote:
curiouskarmadog wrote:Tell me why ZA cant be the wolf...or why you "believe" ZA is not the wolf.
... Because Kison is, and there's only one Wolf left. Are you not reading my posts?

you are basing this only on a meta of yourself?

curiouskarmadog · Sat Dec 15, 2007 3:36 am

let him help us with choices?

Twomz, please explain to me why Peers thinks that Kison is our wolf...

curiouskarmadog · Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:59 am

Twomz wrote:
Peers wrote: I still say Kison's acting very SK/'Lone Wolf' like. He's matchign my play in a previous late-game where I was SK. Twomz and ZA are very much doing the "Townie desperate for the game not to end tonight" thing, where Sikario and Kanaga are playing it amazingly quiet.

I still say Kison's our wolf.
If you want Peers' explanation ask Peers... I'm not gonna go put my words in someone else's mouth, even if they are mafia.

well you think we should let Peers help with our choices...I want to hear why you think that based on Peers "case" against Kison that Kison is the wolf.

curiouskarmadog · Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:00 am

what is your case against Kison, Twomz?

curiouskarmadog · Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:22 pm

at this point, I am thinking the mafia team is Za, Peers, and Twomz...

ooba is cleared in my mind...

but no one else really is cleared...I have my doubts about Cicero's claim, but it seems ballsy to be fake the claim when there actually could be such role in the game. Unless of course Peers is telling the truth (doubtful) and there is only 2 mafia...then the BV claim could be fake..

just dont know.

going to reread thehermit, sikario, kison, hjati, and thehermit (and who they replaced) to see if I can get a read on them...

curiouskarmadog · Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:48 am

Hjallti wrote:
1.)
I hoped to see some discussion about my request to vote Peers over the Lone Wolf, but almost no one really went in to that, so I see no reason to change my vote. (I hoped there would be some mistake in my analysis because it was pretty bad news.)

curiouskarmadog wrote: Unless of course Peers is telling the truth (doubtful) and there is only 2 mafia...then the BV claim could be fake..

2.)
Although this is the minor hypothetical situation, the further conclusion from this is that Peers and cicero are actually the mafia.

1.) I thought I addressed this today...I would rather take out a scum group today to lessen the NKs tonight.

2.) that would be the logical jump here....think the claim would have been risky and really unneeded at that time for mafia...so it is doubtful. Cicero could also be the lone wolf as well. He claimed BV to explain why the mafia targeting him would not work and persuade the mafia from further targeting him.. Again another risky move, but I need to also read the timing of his claim. Could have been a desperate wolf move, dont know.

curiouskarmadog · Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:42 am

ooba wrote:
ZONEACE wrote:umm yeah im convinced you've all gone retarded. Going for the wolf is all well in good if we aren't in the situation we're in now.
IF WE ARE WRONG ABOUT WHO THE WOLF IS WE LOSE
for some reason you all seem to be missing this.
Lets say we lynch peers today . By your arguement , if we are wrong about who the wolf is tommorow we lose too .
Disadvantage : We lose a townie due to a wolf kill
Advantage : The suspect pool will reduce , or will it - is it really a big help if CKD or me or both die tonight ?

qft

curiouskarmadog · Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:50 am

Peers wrote:
ooba wrote:Lets say we lynch peers today . By your arguement , if we are wrong about who the wolf is tommorow we lose too .
Disadvantage : We lose a townie due to a wolf kill
Advantage : The suspect pool will reduce , or will it - is it really a big help if CKD or me or both die tonight ?
There's ten people left. The suspect pool is pretty shallow as it is. Let's say you mislynch tonight. That's down to nine. Let's say the wolf and mafia both kill a townie trying to find the other side. You're down to seven. You mislynch again, both sides kill again, you're down to five with three scum alive -- endgame.

you understand you are arguing to lynch yourself, right?

curiouskarmadog · Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:12 am

yeah...I feel you..

re

vote

zoneace

curiouskarmadog · Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:40 pm

Peers wrote: Now I'm in charge!

did we just get the GF?

curiouskarmadog · Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:47 pm

dammit...well this pretty much means I am dead tonight.

would rather hit the wolf tonight, for I dont believe the bit about a 2 person scum group..

Peers, is there anything you want to declare?

curiouskarmadog · Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:58 pm

worse case.

right now it is probably 2:1:4 (mafia:wolves:town)

if we kill peers, and both groups get a night kill that targets town tonight it will be.

1:1:2 tomorrow

we lynch one of the scum group it will be 1:2 (scum group:town) going into the night and then the next day it is a rock

paper toss up.

Cicero, you sure you want to lynch peers today?..or maybe we can scum hunt a bit first.

curiouskarmadog · Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:03 pm

best case:

we are at 2:1:4

we take out peers then one of the scum group (most likely mafia) screw up and target the last wolf..that will put us at 1:1:3 tomorrow...

at any rate, this is the last day that I am alive...please let me make the most of it..

going to read a bit.....

also, glad ZA is gone.

curiouskarmadog · Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:09 pm

if peers is the only mafia left, your claim of BV is worth shit in my book.

I am inclined to believe your claim (atm) and presume the game is balanced with 2 teams of 3.

I miss ooba, he had a good head on his shoulders.

going to reread.

curiouskarmadog · Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:52 am

still in my reread, but I think I am agreeing with cicero about hermit (or rather who he replaced)..more later.

curiouskarmadog · Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:53 am

also I think twomz is peers' partner.

but I have to finish my reread, I might change my mind.

curiouskarmadog · Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:49 am

well, I was going to

vote theHermit

well before Ceciro brought that to the table...

CA's play was bad..and if you check out his voting history and suspicions it really does scream wolf.

also that being said if for some reason I am hung tonight. Twomz is mafia with Peers.

curiouskarmadog · Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:01 am

will post a case soon...but it boils down to his play and votes.

curiouskarmadog · Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:25 am

unvote, we should wiat until I can put forth my case (even though it ways heavily on CA) and not hermit...I also want to get my Twomz case out there as well...

this does not mean that you cant have conversation without me.

curiouskarmadog · Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:25 am

unvote

curiouskarmadog · Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:25 am

unvote

curiouskarmadog · Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:26 am

have no clue why it posted that twice.

also, Peers if I believed you for a second that you were the last Mafia, I would be voting you today. My goal is to eliminate a scum group. not to hunt a wolf.

curiouskarmadog · Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:55 am

so what is peers, do you ahve one buddy or two?

curiouskarmadog · Tue Jan 01, 2008 4:11 am

chances of what are almost non existent? My case against you (when I have time) is not that you are the wolf, it is that you are the other membe with Peers..I dont think either of you is the lynch today..I will most likely be pushing for a hermit lynch.

curiouskarmadog · Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:46 am

Twomz wrote:
Peers wrote:Hehe. I just realized something.

Unvote

Vote: Cicero

The town's not willing to lynch me, so you're arranging for a mislynch. One wolf, one mafia, 5 townies, a mislynch and two nightkills put us at 1:1:2, and then the town will obviously lynch me since they know I'm scum, giving the game to the wolves.

Bulletproof vest, my arse. You're wolf.
Hmm... this makes a whole lot of sense...
unvote
.

Gonna wait for more comments before voting again.

@CKD: It's very unlikely that Peers is the last mafiaso, but there is still that chance out there, however unlikely.

note to self, include this post in my case against twomz

curiouskarmadog · Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:47 am

mod please prod sikwario!

curiouskarmadog · Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:51 am

when I get more than a minute to check my games I will post my CA case

curiouskarmadog · Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:30 am

Why I think Ca is our last wolf. Nothing that Hermit can defend.

1.) Voted and attacked Karen and then attacked me for saying that a.) her lynch was too easy and b.) for saying I wanted to hang scum not people that are acting anti-town.
2.) Voted Greenday Day 2, labeled him the most scummiest person in the game without providing reasons. Unvoted Greenday (-2) at the urge of DAS. Completely changing his style (quick lynch is now not good for the town)…where was that view Day 1? Where was that view Day 2 when he defended his attack of Karen and until DAS said something? If you continue reading Day 2, CA has an obvious link to DAS that he defends.
3.) Day 3. promises to reread and attacks blight for voting ZA. When I call him on his lack of content, he admits he has not reread. He was obviously trying to just look town without caring to reread. Never bothered to look for scum.
4.) Slip up.

ChocolateAttack wrote: If you don't want to play then ask for replace, 2 towns already got lynch. I dont' want to see another miss lynch or player like, because it just piss me off.

He knew that the Cephrir lynch was going to be a mislynch before it happened.

5.)

ChocolateAttack wrote: Why are you so eager for Tar to role claim? any more role claim is not good. We should stay as anonymous as possible due to WW and mafias can cross kill.

No more claing guys.

Night 2 seriously gonna be a mess.

Vote: Twomz

Attacks twomz for wanting a roleclaim for TAR, but doesn’t post when I said I would claim..or anyone else.

CA had an obvious link to Tar and DAS…will read on Hermit to see if I can find anything.

As time permits, I review of Hermit and Twomz (as mafia, and more obvious)

curiouskarmadog · Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:29 pm

Well, you can..if I get time, I want to pose my twomz case too...actually it sticks out more than Ca/hermit....but as mafia

I will die tonight..please hang peers (assuming ca/hermit is the wolf) then twomz.

curiouskarmadog · Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:39 am

I seriously doubt we have a jester this game.

curiouskarmadog · Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:03 am

Hermit has not been here long, have not found anything on him.

WIll attempt to get my case out there for twomz in the next 48 hours...If I am right about Hermit, I hope when I get offed tonight you follow my lead about twomz.

Although..it should be stated that I was wrong about Ceph...but hey, I nailed ZA.

curiouskarmadog · Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:39 am

again, my case has nothing to do with CA's interaction with you...

curiouskarmadog · Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:41 am

thanks coming soon me hopes

curiouskarmadog · Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:40 am

I just dont have the time, if you want to lynch hermit..do it.

The twomz case is much like my case agianst ZA..the short of it is his votes and his interaction with Peers and ZA..anyone can pull up his posts and see what I am talking about....I will probably have time for this on Friday...

curiouskarmadog · Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:46 am

Twomz is mafia with Peers and ZA.

1.) On the Karen wagon with little reason with peers(SP) and ZA
2.) Immediately (and hypocritically) started the Green Day wagon for his actions in regards to the Karen wagon.
3.) Who can forget this anti-town quote when asked what Twomz would do if Green day were replaced.

Twomz wrote: Personally, I believe lynching would be better than replacing, because I think he is doing it on purpose. .

Even though at the time Green Day wasn’t posting in any of his games. Twomz failed to mention that.

4.) unvoted Thorn/green day to vote Ceph (another townie). Kept pushing that thorn was not posting and was looking scummy even though his vote was on Ceph. And the posted another anti-town statement.

Twomz wrote:Does anyone have anything to say at this point? I am close to just voting Thorn just to get the day over with.

On the same page Peers(SP) vote Thorn and after Twomz above post, ZA voted thorn.

5.) Mentions that he could see a ZA or Ceph wagon (day 3 after the thorn mislynch). Anyone care to guess who he chooses? Yep, he went with Ceph. Peers then replaces in and joins his buddy.
6.) Another anti-town move and vote from Twomz in post 826. Votes me to just get my claim. Oh yeah then Peers votes me in 827 putting me at –1.
7.) I claim sorcerer. In 859, he (in bold) yells at me for claiming my protective role and told me how I was a bad town player for claiming (after he asked me to claim)….but leaves his vote on me anyway.
8.) Post 944, Twomz urges Tar to claim, wait, wasn’t he just belittling me for claiming. Nah, he was just trying to look town.
9.) Post 1008, votes peers (Tar claimed wolf and indicated Peers as mafia) Cicero puts peers at –1, and then in 1010, twomz unvotes peers (because he wanted to hear Tar’s response to me questions first). Why did you mention that in 1008, when you voted peers.
10.) Now that Peers claimed mafia, Twomz did not return his vote even though he stated that Peers is today’s lynch (why no vote then twomaz?) in post 1075.
11.) Does vote Peers day 5 while everyone else wanted to vote the wolf (DAS) that peers found. No reason not to follow the crowd at this point and vote peers instead. I believe he just wanted to distance himself from Peers at all cost. Day 6, Twomz opens with the vote on Peers, props to Cicero for calling him out (1248). OF course ZA joins the BW against peers, right after twomz
12.) Post 1375, now this is great. He posts and posts about how he does understand why people would consider leaving Peers alive and he how he doesn’t trust peers then he unvotes peers and joins him by voting Kison. Also ignores the fact that most of the town is voting ZA
13.) Of course, today he unvotes peers because peers is pushing for a Cicero lynch…just ridiculous.

Twomz is so obviously mafia. But we have to lynch the wolf today.

If I am right about hermit. Here is the plan you should follow (because my ass is dead tonight).
4:2:1 (town:mafia:wolf)
Hang Hermit today 4:2
Peers tomorrow, 3:1
Then twomz

If I am wrong about hermit and both groups get a kill tonight. It will be. 1:2:1 tomorrow. We lose.

Lynching peers today and both groups getting a kill we will be at 2:1:1, we lynch a group then the other group gets a kill we will be at 1:1 (we lose)

We have to hit the wolves today.

Vote hermit.

curiouskarmadog · Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:58 am

please follow my plan tomorrow!

curiouskarmadog · Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:27 pm

great game guys...I followed it after my death...glad to see I was right on with the scum teams (minus my cephirr read, sorry), looking forward to reading the scum transcripts, this would have been a great game for me if I hadnt self voted. I was hoping someone would come out and claim, but in retrospect that might have back fired...

I didnt think the town could pull this one out...I think this game was one for the books.

Dead, going to nominate this game for flavor..thanks!!

curiouskarmadog · Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:48 pm

ok, nominated for best flavor...you put a ton of work in this game a deserve a nod.

curiouskarmadog · Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:11 am

did anyone else feel dirty reading the scums' thread? I feel like maybe I shouldnt have read that.

curiouskarmadog · Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:38 am

yeah...I feel like maybe I shouldnt have that read on them

curiouskarmadog · Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:49 am

I just have never seen that before..so it was new to me...

curiouskarmadog · Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:20 pm

keep in mind though, once he claimed mafia, I didnt listen to a word he said in reference to his partners or the amount of partners he had....

curiouskarmadog · Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:55 am

Peers wrote:I didn't think anyone would really fall for the 'two mafia, three wolves' thing... but it was worth trying, just in case.

well I gave it thought...if the mafia only had two members, then Cicero bullet proof claim might be false. But the fact you told me there was 2 mafia, made me dismiss the idea.