Large Normal 206: World Record Mafia! (GAME OVER)

[davesaz]

I've been camping, just noticed I had a PM.
Only 4 pages so I'll just read normally.

[davesaz]

Not a fan of early claims, whether fake or not.
No strong opinions on true/fake.

[davesaz]

VOTE: wavemode
read the rules next time before you vote
since what you did this time will not count according to the rules
mulch that goes for you also but yours does not appear to be correct on first glance so i do not scum read you for it

What makes you vote for wavemode here? Do you think typing 'mariomaker' instead of 'mariomaniac4' was a ploy to avoid voting?

it is kind of in the same vein as fake hammering
misleading
or like how creature voted osuka twice

also seriously read the rules
only one vote per post

Do you think these things were actually scum motivated?

[davesaz]

it was just sheepy and bandwagony.

^
this is a pagetop vote which means you must sheep.

Doesn't like sheepy votes. Asks people to sheep. Interesting juxtaposition.

[davesaz]

Understood, me too.

[davesaz]

i mean the point of me voting him was to get him to post and give content
and he has at least done the former so
VOTE: eddie cane
going down my list of people who have not posted
the other two on that list are peregrinev and zoki77 if anyone wanted to know
though there are a few people who have only stated that they will read up and post later

I don't see the point of voting people who have not posted.

[davesaz]

I get more town vibes from Yumeko's walls than from Mulch's. Looks more like finding meaning from posts than finding posts to match meaning.
Effort is not AI and I'm suspicious of people who try to use high effort to claim town.
While effort may be a statistically valid measurement in large numbers it's far from useful in specific cases.
Nero, I've seen that "you're casting shade" thing countless times and it's always wrong. It's not whether my post creates shade, it's whether the target reacts as though they fear the shade.
Out of time, going to work.

[davesaz]

i mean the point of me voting him was to get him to post and give content
and he has at least done the former so
VOTE: eddie cane
going down my list of people who have not posted
the other two on that list are peregrinev and zoki77 if anyone wanted to know
though there are a few people who have only stated that they will read up and post later

I don't see the point of voting people who have not posted.

so i guess you missed the post i made later on

Have I missed a post where you gave any reason other than not posting / posting an "I'll post later" for your vote?
It's a big leap from voting someone with 0 content to thinking your vote made them post.

You didn't manage to vote me before I posted, or I would have slapped you around for assuming I was hiding when there was a more likely (and true) explanation that

I was physically absent from the internet when the game started

. (Don't know if that's the reason for other people being slow to start, but it's not a bad guess IMO given how slow the game filled and how short the confirmation phase was)

Pedit: ooh, another one posts a wall. Not gonna try to interpret it in pedit mode.

[davesaz]

What about 217?

[davesaz]

flavor, read 344

una is obvtown. I think it's also kinda funny that you read theta as town because something about her is off-putting

Theta can be read as "unusual" without it being AI. I'm reserving judgment till we get an explanation of what was important in 217.

[davesaz]

What if mulch's unhelpful gambit is actually scum making it look like an unhelpful gambit?
I think I saw someone saying that it fits mulch's scum meta to post a lot?
I don't have personal experience there and am not exactly swimming in available time.

[davesaz]

oh

i did not consider that an answer considering that you did not explain why it does not come from scum

Oh, 409 right? Yeah multiple people commented on that, I didn't see it as useful either but didn't think it would be helpful to "me too".

[davesaz]

If you think this is posting a lot lmaaaaaaooooo

Roughly 25% of the thread is a lot in any thread, especially with this many people.

[davesaz]

At bottom of 32. Now it's at large speed. Wasn't feeling well last night and went to sleep early. Will try to catch up.

[davesaz]

Someone who thinks Excession is scum please gimme an elevator pitch. Likewise osuka.
If there is anything important I should read between the 20's and 50's, let me know. I'll probably iso people.
Boon, Nero look townish. Mulch may be but it's the kind of posting that could fool me so I need to see flips to be sure.

[davesaz]

Creature, I think you're more confident / proactive sounding than the last time I saw you. I think you were flipfloppy and sheepy before. Where'd the change come from? I want to know if I'm justified in having a stronger gut townread than in previous games.

[davesaz]

VOTE: gerryoat
Seems rattled to me, needs sorting, and we need wagons to get anything useful from the patterns later. And I TR Nero strong enough to sheep.

Pedit: because I've been busy at work this week.

[davesaz]

Why do you townread Excession?

Where did you get that idea? IMO hasn't posted enough to read from.

[davesaz]

Started to catch up from 71, bottom of 73 now, figure I'd better make a note of where I am.

[davesaz]

Still catchup reading. At bottom of 84. Oy, more fakeclaims. Are we sure Mulch isn't scum messing with us by playing VI?

[davesaz]

I want lunch, but def. not boon.

[davesaz]

Caught up.
UNVOTE:
I agree with Nero that gerryoat could claim a PR as scum to try to get out of a lynch. Willing to go back there to avoid the NL. Marking my vote symbolically available should there be a better case for someone else as scum. As usual I don't really have a strong suspect of my own.

[davesaz]

I don't mind GR but what do we learn if it's a mislynch? The reason to not go for low activity early game isn't because they're unlikely to be scum, it's that we gain less if they're town.
To borrow a poker phrase, it's not a good value bet if the reason is merely activity. (If it's more than that gimme elevator pitch plz. I can be led to safe ground)

Thoughts on this? I'm openly bad at D1 and it might be nothing, but ...

I need votecounts before I can decide where to go.
I just gave my "buss-able buddies" list, so any of those will do for me getting towncred., but it just needs to happen soonish, otherwise I will never re-read D1.

VOTE: UnaBombaH

Pedit: I don't see why either Nero or Boon would be scum, they both seem pretty obvious to me. But again, bad D1 so not high confidence.

[davesaz]

Osaka can be forgiven for not knowing me.
When have I ever liked lurker lynches? Anyone? Anyone?
I'll settle for it to avoid a no, that's for sure. Whether enough will vote is another question.

[davesaz]

Stupid autocorrect

[davesaz]

Checking in. Figures I soapbox about low activity lynches early game being bad and it flips scum, but yay us.
Plenty of interactions to analyze, and I want to do my own.

[davesaz]

Nice job lynching before I even had a chance to do analysis.

I don't mind the scumreads, usually I have to work harder when I want them. It helps me stay out of the kill pool and have a better chance of making it to the later game where I can actually be analytical.
If you bother checking the few scum games I have, it would be clear that I would have bussed GR in that circumstance.

Regarding Nero's claim, I usually see "don't target me" in the 1st post as a likely PGO or scum trying to not get investigated. Why would town target that slot? As for the NR, ascetic isn't the only reason to get a no result, what about commuters?

Pedit: regarding vig vs sk, did we look at TIAM's pre-shot reads on the targets?

[davesaz]

Today I had to do a little DIY plumbing, so didn't get a lot done.
Here's my WIP notes on sorting. It's ugly but it's something.

Town
davesaz
Boonskiies - As much as I loathe the claim everything style, pretty much has to be town
KidAmn - Likely town mechanically, targets are a little questionable (see previous comments about targeting Nero)

Weak Town
Eddie Cane
Gerryoat

Null or read not developed
Titus - Couldn't get a handle on Mulch, don't remember who the middle replacement was
Flairs - Can't say I remember much
MarioManiac4 - I know there have been things I didn't like but don't know that they're AI
Dunkerdoodles - Need to reread

Weak scum
wavemode - One of those feelings, hard to explain. Need to do some reading here

has to go sometime
Nero Cain - Not scummy per se, but would lynch if needed

Scum
massive - More POE than anything else
Mary Soatome - I remember seeing lots of words but no direction
Yumeko Jabami - Similar to Mary

SK?
TwoInAMillion

[davesaz]

dave assuming I'm a sk is kinda scummy.

There is a question mark there for a reason. Explain your target selections.

[davesaz]

Mary hasn't led anything the whole game and now she wants to?

I've wanted to all game it's just the matter of listening.[/quote]
Really? I don't remember you having strong opinions or pushing them.

[davesaz]

That was in reply to Mary, deleted one tag too many.

[davesaz]

If Flairs is scum, I don't see any effective counterwagon. Makes me question that wagon. I don't TR Flairs (low null), but it seems like this would be an easy target for scum.
Two of my scumleans are on there.
VOTE: Yumeko Jabami

[davesaz]

I'm VT.
There are too many NK given Dunk being a BP BG. There has to be another killing party who may have shot at Dunk's BG target or Dunk himself previously. Could have also tried to shoot Boon as well, if the true claim there is BP, or it could be someone who waited a night or two.

[davesaz]

I think that isodive on Una is great work, but it's only 2/3 right. Una tossed in a random player (me) who would genuinely be someone who hadn't been in a game with her.
I also think we're looking at a SK or even another team.
VOTE: MarioManiac4

[davesaz]

If there isn't a strongman, then there must be 3 kills (one missing kill clearing the Dunker BP and who knows that happened to the other two).
With 3 kills in play, I think it's potentially MYLO.
My play isn't stellar, but this is what I do when I don't have an action to get me hard info of my own and the available results rule out my scumreads.