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[Joey_]

Axle's first post is the most cancerous shit i have ever seen in my mafia career

[Joey_]

Also hi people

@UC the interactions nero/alisea you said makes you scumread nero, is it only because he called alisa mefia or is there other stuff? you quoted that somewhere

[Joey_]

Yet scum doesnt tend to lightly random claim stuff early rvs

[Joey_]

inb4 im defending cabd

[Joey_]

@UC villager
It's also completely fucking illegible, please write it out normally so anybody can read/quote it.
Why is there so much spam in this game already?

Axle's first post is the most cancerous shit i have ever seen in my mafia career

wooo, thank you.
Also @UCV, your "fakeclaim in RVS" is going to be used to incriminate you as town or scum later on in the game. It's very very real to breadcrumb during RVS. And if it _is_ fake, you've just introduced a whole extra angle that scum could attack you from, disctracting from

real

scumhunting when we'll need it most. RVS is RVS, but IGMEOU.

cancer but i dont think its a mefia move to be this opaque and cancerous

[Joey_]

Well its not like he hard claimed. He claimed a non-normal role wich seems like it could be scum paving the way for a fake claim. Like claiming non-normal seems like its opens up his options.

Yet you wouldnt need to be this obnoxious about you paving the way for a fakeclaim. Also, if you were going to do this, you wouldnt back up your "scum play" with "i have my reasons"

[Joey_]

Like if cabd made that as a scum move, that wasnt efficient at all

[Joey_]

How is making a vague soft that opens up your options for the future an inefficient scum play?

He had no reason to do that, if he really wanted to soft for a fakeclaim he couldve did that in a thousand other ways where we wouldnt be having this conversation or people scumreading him for it. Its inefficient because the cost of doing it that way looks way worse than the gain for a "support" to a fakeclaim later. The soft didnt opens up his options, if anything it constrained it to a range of wierd ass non-normals roles.

[Joey_]

If he was scum that claimed non-normal role what do you think he'd give as his reasoning?

That he messed up cause i dont see that as a good planned scum play in any way

[Joey_]

If anything claiming day 1 when there is no point to it is anti-town.

anti-town = anti-town =/= mefias

[Joey_]

if you saw sergtacos you'd see why i said that

I have. his joking personality is a lot different than mine......

UC... as a player in a game with you, let me give you a little advice.


I know you're super excited and happy to be playing in this game, but over-eager posting and lack of clarity is going to get you lynched or otherwise killed. For the sake of growing as a player, please take time to make your points clear, avoid a bunch of self-commentary, and play the game.

thanks for the advise.
What do you mean by self commentary

Self commentary like its almost as if you were talking to yourself. Half your post arent content

[Joey_]

Well its not like he hard claimed. He claimed a non-normal role wich seems like it could be scum paving the way for a fake claim. Like claiming non-normal seems like its opens up his options.

Thinking back to this, it potentially opens up powerful town roles to a cc dilemma. Liking it for scum now.

Cabd or nero for scum? i dont understand extremely well what you tried to say there

[Joey_]

I think i asked like 3-4 questions already and i was openly ignored by everyone so fuck yall

[Joey_]

oh for fuck sake, i just had robnova on my ass for apparently misreading the thread for literraly weeks irl and i just wanted to shoot myself

[Joey_]

I think i asked like 3-4 questions already and i was openly ignored by everyone so fuck yall

I'm p sure you haven't been openly ignored, and at least one of your questions was answered-- and in picture form, no less.

Also hi people

@UC the interactions nero/alisea you said makes you scumread nero, is it only because he called alisa mefia or is there other stuff? you quoted that somewhere

i currently beleive Nero could possibly be scum with Alisea because of their early interactions,
ALSO
I think Nero targeted me a little early ....Because I know my role, it would make since for Nero [as scum] to try to go after me. And due to my lack of experience, i am a lot easier to miss lynch than other players!

I call complete BULL Crap on alisea's Macho Miller claim. I think it is one hell of a way to look innocent after cop says he found you guilty!
But
I think her page on reads were just a joke N such!

I will never try this again. that took way to long.

Here's your second question:

Like if cabd made that as a scum move, that wasnt efficient at all

If he was scum that claimed non-normal role what do you think he'd give as his reasoning?

Here's your third question:

Well its not like he hard claimed. He claimed a non-normal role wich seems like it could be scum paving the way for a fake claim. Like claiming non-normal seems like its opens up his options.

Thinking back to this, it potentially opens up powerful town roles to a cc dilemma. Liking it for scum now.

Cabd or nero for scum? i dont understand extremely well what you tried to say there

I scum read cabd's claim, but will give him the benefit of the doubt that he can confirm himself d1.

I think UC is town. Inefficient posting style, but there is scum hunting in it.

Whiskers voting axel for obfuscation but only scolding UC is questionable.

I noted that I found raha's vote suspicious but I don't remember why.

I would like to see better pushes from beeboy. My experience playing scum with them is that they have rock solid defenses of themselves, but there's not a lot of pushing from within it.

Sooo, actually, ALL of your questions have been answered. Try reading thread? FOS Joey.

flubber didnt answer my question and if you count UC's image as answering your downright stupid, i couldnt even read it

[Joey_]

Why buddy me then get super hostile at everyone else, man?

Mitch McConnell is right, UC made an effort all the same.

Buddied you? I wasnt even defending you, i just attacked the bad fos on your claim

[Joey_]

Why buddy me then get super hostile at everyone else, man?

Mitch McConnell is right, UC made an effort all the same.

Buddied you? I wasnt even defending you, i just attacked the bad fos on your claim

TBH you looked like you had a Cabd townread. I had to go back and read your ISO to see you didn't explicitly say that.
So Joey, what

are

your reads?

All the content i wanted to out has been outed

[Joey_]

All the content i wanted to out has been outed

You haven't outed any.

Vote: Joey_

I didnt out any content or any reads?

[Joey_]

Also my 204 didnt imply i did out anything, it implied that everything i wanted outed, has been outed. If nothing was outed it means i didnt want to out anything yet so im not sure whats the basis of that fos

[Joey_]

Also my 204 didnt imply i did out anything, it implied that everything i wanted outed, has been outed. If nothing was outed it means i didnt want to out anything yet so im not sure whats the basis of that fos

You haven't outed anything.
By both your admission and my reasoning, you don't want anything outed.
You are lazy at best but more likely scum.

Let's get get the train going, guys.

Quality of content isnt the same as quantity, first. Second, i didnt admit i outed anything, i admited what i intented to say in my post, that exactly the content that was outed was everything i was to be outed as of yet. That doesnt mean im admitting i outed anything : ) Third, you didnt ask me why i didnt want to out all my content but you assumed it was because i was lazy if town, as if there werent any other reason why i would refrain from outing more reads atm. Your post are literraly full of flaws and bad assumptions

[Joey_]

Quality of content isnt the same as quantity, first.

Sure.
Your quality is shit,
your quantity is low.

Second, i didnt admit i outed anything, i admited what i intented to say in my post, that exactly the content that was outed was everything i was to be outed as of yet. That doesnt mean im admitting i outed anything : )

I didn't say you

lied,

I said you're

useless.

Third, you didnt ask me why i didnt want to out all my content but you assumed it was because i was lazy if town, as if there werent any other reason why i would refrain from outing more reads atm. Your post are literraly full of flaws and bad assumptions

Since you are claiming to be useless

intentionally,

you're lazy town at best.

Please, don't get me wrong. I'm not making the assumption that you're a lazy townie. The other reason you'd refrain is that

you're scum.

[/quote]

i didnt say you said i said i lied, i said you misrepresented me. Im going to discard you as rob's level so we can have a fun game

[Joey_]

Dude your misquote made me misquote, its annoying as hell

"i didnt say you said i said i lied, i said you misrepresented me. Im going to discard you as rob's level so we can have a fun game"

[Joey_]

In post 96, Joey_ wrote:
Axle's first post is the most cancerous shit i have ever seen in my mafia career
Hi Cloudie.
Can you fill me in as to why?

Hi alibea, the post im referring is the mon unintelligible piece of typed information made by an adult i have ever seen so

[Joey_]

most*

[Joey_]

In post 96, Joey_ wrote:
Axle's first post is the most cancerous shit i have ever seen in my mafia career
Hi Cloudie.
Can you fill me in as to why?

Hi alibea, the post im referring is the most unintelligible piece of typed information made by an adult i have ever seen so

understandable
have a nice day

How was the movie btw

[Joey_]

Alisae is sloppy scum with Joey?

great preflip, rob level

[Joey_]

Let me just skip a page and a half of posts to

Vote: Axle Greaser

for being incredibly annoying and unnecessarily obfuscating.

This feels REALLY faked tbh.
I mean yeah that Axle post is a bit wierd to say
but its not THAT bad seesh.

Faked? Joey agrees with me.

understandable
have a nice day

Oh for fuck's sake

so it's ok when

he

can't read it, but

I'm

all full of "fake anger??"

Reminder

I said: it was "incredibly annoying and unnecessarily obfuscating."
Joey said: it was "the most cancerous shit I have ever seen in my mafia career."

Oh wow, gee, I'm so angry compared to that guy? Bullshit.
Alisae is sloppy scum with Joey?

i just ctrl+f "angry" on alisae's iso and he never mentionned you being angry : )

[Joey_]

Let me just skip a page and a half of posts to

Vote: Axle Greaser

for being incredibly annoying and unnecessarily obfuscating.

This feels REALLY faked tbh.
I mean yeah that Axle post is a bit wierd to say
but its not THAT bad seesh.

Faked? Joey agrees with me.

understandable
have a nice day

Oh for fuck's sake

so it's ok when

he

can't read it, but

I'm

all full of "fake anger??"

Reminder

I said: it was "incredibly annoying and unnecessarily obfuscating."
Joey said: it was "the most cancerous shit I have ever seen in my mafia career."

Oh wow, gee, I'm so angry compared to that guy? Bullshit.
Alisae is sloppy scum with Joey?

i just ctrl+f "angry" on alisae's iso and he never mentionned you being angry : )

NVM this i saw that alisae said 'whisker's anger' i shouldve ctrl+f boht words woops

[Joey_]

This feels just as faked as

Whisker's Anger.

I swear to arceus nobody wants to READ this game.

ahaha i did reread though ehe

[Joey_]

Like I didn't read it
I'm not going to pretend to understand it
but you feel like your overeacting

For Cloudie (If its not clear, Joey = Cloudie) it comes off as perfectly natural to me tbh.

Right now I'm trying to figure out if you're scum or if this is just your personality, beacuse right now it seems like you're overeacting to me.

It was unintelligible.
Axel's post was unintelligible. I said it, annoyed, but relatively calm, which is apparently faked anger. Joey said it, exaggerating and cursing, which is not faked, but perfectly natural.

I'm pretty sure you're full of shit.

Also

You're the one that brought it up and started the conversation don't twist the fuckin context.

I'm pretty sure you're wrong. I got what I wanted, other people have been digging further after the fact. Don't pin it on me that Million & Voyager want even more.

You have to understand that i played with alisae at least 6-7 games if not more and i bet she didnt play many with you.

[Joey_]

I also think his impatience and attitude towards TWIM is faked and super overblown.

i got that too tbh. If anything that part was scummier to me than anything related to his claim

[Joey_]

NEW FLASH : im pretty sure almost everyone who recently posted is town

[Joey_]

It was unintelligible.
Axel's post was unintelligible. I said it, annoyed, but relatively calm, which is apparently faked anger. Joey said it, exaggerating and cursing, which is not faked, but perfectly natural.

I'm pretty sure you're full of shit.

Yes I know Cloudie and I am familar with him. I expect him to react in the type of way he did to that.
If that's you trying to be calm then I clearly did not see it.
To me it came off as
"This guy is the most annoying piece of shit I've ever seen I want to pl it"

ok but the person

literally going

"this guy is the most annoying piece of shit i've ever seen i want to pl it," is

not

overblown and fake.

wew

well i never implied pl, i think you did tho somewhere

[Joey_]

NEW FLASH : im pretty sure almost everyone who recently posted is town

No don't say that
That's one of the most overrated Day 1 cliche post ever

why? As in its scummy or as in its never true?

[Joey_]

It was unintelligible.
Axel's post was unintelligible. I said it, annoyed, but relatively calm, which is apparently faked anger. Joey said it, exaggerating and cursing, which is not faked, but perfectly natural.

I'm pretty sure you're full of shit.

Yes I know Cloudie and I am familar with him. I expect him to react in the type of way he did to that.
If that's you trying to be calm then I clearly did not see it.
To me it came off as
"This guy is the most annoying piece of shit I've ever seen I want to pl it"

ok but the person

literally going

"this guy is the most annoying piece of shit i've ever seen i want to pl it," is

not

overblown and fake.

wew

well i never implied pl, i think you did tho somewhere

NVM that again, i think it was cabd to UC

[Joey_]

NEW FLASH : im pretty sure almost everyone who recently posted is town

No don't say that
That's one of the most overrated Day 1 cliche post ever

why? As in its scummy or as in its never true?

It's pretty useless.

Idk it's status as a cliche, but "pretty sure" "almost everyone" is not a read or a list of reads. It's filler made to look like you're participating.

Its not filler, im actually dead serious

[Joey_]

I was reffering to whiskers, cabd, 2 million and alisae as people im fairly confident would flip green

[Joey_]

I'm getting warning signs.

Let's talk about this.

Okay GiF
I don't like how Cabd is implying his role makes him town just by mentioning it multiple times, because that's how I'm reading it.
I also think his impatience and attitude towards TWIM is faked and super overblown.

Aren't scum killing roles in Normal games bastard?
Like I think he is literally hard claiming town for whatever it is worth.

I think role =/ alignment.

You grew a lot as a player btw, im really glad

[Joey_]

You are completely not taking into consideration that I've played with Cloudie before.

Again, I am trying to figure out if you are scum or if this is just your personality.

And I don't think Cloudie even fos'd axle for that (I didn't get that impression atleast)

If it's literally based on a personality read and you cannot make the judgement call because you have not played enough games with me, then IMO it's scummy for you to attack me for my personality. Catch me in a lie, don't go, "He's describing that post almost-but-not-quite as viciously as my buddy! Nobody would ever do that (except my buddy)!! FOS!!!"

NVM that again, i think it was cabd to UC

Ok.

I missed like a couple of posts and I have a short attention span :/

Consider posting about your day to day activities less, and spending that time reading the thread?[/quote]

He didnt attack you for your personnality, he just doesnt have the information to make that call weither its your personnality or scum overreacting. While, in my cas, he does have that information because we played a lot.

[Joey_]

Its not filler, im actually dead serious

It's filler. It's about as telling as me going "Some of the people who posted sometimes might be SCUM!! :O"

Dude i just outed the persons i was thinking when i said that, its not filler but yes i do agree its ambigous and not super usefull if i dont name people who i do think are town, but now i did

[Joey_]

I think it's possible Camd's claim is correct and he just made a poor judgement in claiming.

Or maybe he did make the best decision in claiming exactly how he did and you are the one who lacks the information to decides if he outed correctly or not

[Joey_]

He didnt attack you for your personnality, he just doesnt have the information to make that call weither its your personnality or scum overreacting. While, in my cas, he does have that information because we played a lot.

Great. If he

doesn't have the information to make that call

then maybe he [/i]shouldn't call me out as scum for it.[/i]

Furthermore, look at my games if you want that info.

He's scummy.

I disagree lol the way he questionned me he probably also thought that in a vaccuum, both our comment was scummy but that mine was better explained by personality than alignement. So you are scummy until your personnality prove otherwise per how i understand alisea's fos

[Joey_]

I think it's possible Camd's claim is correct and he just made a poor judgement in claiming.

Or maybe he did make the best decision in claiming exactly how he did and you are the one who lacks the information to decides if he outed correctly or not

Well I am obviously lacking information because he is not full claiming, but I fail to see if he thinks "his role gives him a short life" why full claiming would not be the best thing to do.

Exactly, you dont have his full claim.

If hes town, theres a very good reason that he doesnt full claim atm, why doubt him for that? The only reason youd want him to full claim is if you think hes mafia, if not just let him try to play his role the best way possible.

[Joey_]

Dude, if you knew the extend of my personnality in mafia games you wouldnt say that i was let off easily lmao

[Joey_]

Another possibility is that Camd is a PGO or asking for doctor protection.

I suggest you forget about cabd claims for a day or two and then revisit it when he actually claims or do something

[Joey_]

VOTE: I Am Innocent

Lurker vote.

Why dont you try to ScrutinizeTM people who are active atm

[Joey_]

woah a doublevoter in normal
thats no fair

youre actually funny

[Joey_]

double post obviously. Not a double vote.

I want more of the lurkers to post so I can adequately get a full read list.

What about you start with people who posted more? Can you give me some reads

[Joey_]

I'm always* on board with policy dunking lurkers

VOTE: I Am Innocent

*for applicable-whenever-I-damn-feel-like-it definitions of "always"

no..

[Joey_]

this is a recipe for a quick lunch

[Joey_]

@Nauci you realize you want to pl a lurker when you just made your first post, legit minutes ago?

To quote turtle here

"?????????????"

[Joey_]

FURTHERMORE: Alisae COULD know whether that behavior matches my personality, and could make a proper read using this method, if she had scanned previous games of mine. She has clearly not done this, purporting not to know my personality.

Yeah I just got back from the fucking dissapointment that is the new bladerunner. Do you think I had this time for this?
And even if I did
do you think I'm going to be actually interested enough to go through your meta?
Because I'm not atm.

You have time to post about how you're back from bladerunner and "gotta plug in some tunes!"
So yes, I think you had the time.
If you're not interested in catching scum, have you considered getting lynched?

i laughed

[Joey_]

I'm always* on board with policy dunking lurkers

VOTE: I Am Innocent

*for applicable-whenever-I-damn-feel-like-it definitions of "always"

I am guessing the other scum are in the lurkers.

it's like, less than 12 hours into Day 1.
There are no lurkers.
Some people have jobs
Some have kids
Some have lives.

This kinda sounds like scum making excuses for his scumbuddies.

lol tf, even if it was the case i dont even think half the table posted once, it makes zero sens to find that scummy

[Joey_]

Who wants to vote TwoInAMillion with me?
VOTE: 2 in a 1000000

Por que?

His posts are bad and I am getting the impression he is trying to act useful and not trying to solve the game.

Vote with me Nauci and I will lead you to fortune and victory.

anime masonery are a modekillable offense

[Joey_]

i really dont think tiam is mefia, ill check back later cya

[Joey_]

People who townread 2iam; explain why plz kthnx.

Tone, i also dont think the way he pursued you for your claim was scummy. Like, his line of questioning made sens, was relatively coherent etc it didn't felt scum motived but even at time genuine concern imo. It also seems like he went against the grain for no reason but to attack a claim of someone claiming to be confirmable or something like that idk, looks like normal town play

[Joey_]

hi gerryboat, i hope you dont scumread me for defending and being associated with two towns this game

[Joey_]

Also can anyone explain me the dunker fos, because his content so far is exactly what should be expected from him as a player, more or less scummy

[Joey_]

Basically theres 5-6 players who havent posted enough, then theres 8+ actives players and most of them have a lot of experience. 3 of those active players so far are 2 mil, UC and dunker and they are all being fosed while imo none are actually that scummy

[Joey_]

Add nauci too

[Joey_]

I forgot to add almost all the active players that are fosed are the noobiest one aka lynchbait city

[Joey_]

hi gerryboat, i hope you dont scumread me for defending and being associated with two towns this game

it would be great if you could vote the scum known as UC

here we go again lol

[Joey_]

I don't edit posts, sorry.

Is that a challenge

[Joey_]

Theres little content for the last few pages since yday, quick is now being active and refuse to read

@Quick you shoul at the very least, iso cabd

[Joey_]

Hi, i read the recents pages and nothing really stands out that much

[Joey_]

@beeboy i actually have the opposite problem, i have too many town lean while im not reading absolutely everything since some slot are boring to read

[Joey_]

Cloudie why do you tr whiskers?

Honestly, i relate af to some of his content and lines. A recent exemple is when he talked about how letting cabd alive regardless of his alignement would mean that town can control 2 lynches at the same time. He was actually having a conversation with other people while making big post and he typed that line. This is one of the exemple that i have for him, i think his thought process looks genuine town but i also think his personality is annoying and antagonistic. I liked his tone early on too

[Joey_]

no, i'm voting dunk/UC only

Theres like 4 + scum, you can do better

[Joey_]

Cloudie what do you think of his 939

He made several comment towards you and quick but he didnt shade any of you, even tho he was probably scumreading you both at that point. He also implied nauci was scum but then in the same post agreed with her so, doesnt look like mefia trying to push an agenda, its a clunky post

[Joey_]

here kitties @whiskers @joey vote dunk. get the bird

I played one game with drunk and he was mafia, i dont remember my alignement but i remember i did iso his past games and i remember that his scumplay was extremely terrible and even w/o meta i dont understand whyd you want to push him

[Joey_]

whiskers are you an alt or something, you remind me of someone

remind me of rob but less retarded

[Joey_]

Its actully kinda anti-town as it might make things not show up in search

nuke this slot lol.

UC/Nero/Dunk i will lynch in those. since dunk has the highest votes, i'll keep my vote there

Can you developpe on your nero read

[Joey_]

In post 860, TwoInAMillion wrote:
I love how someone claims day one and everyone is so quick to buddy up with him.

Pretty useful tool for town. Even if you could say with 100% certainty that he was scum, I'd still recommend keeping him around just to get twice as many town-controlled lynches.
In other words, we'd look elsewhere for a lynch, and leave cabd alone.

imo his answer to 2mil's post is town thought process

[Joey_]

Cloudie what do you think of his 939

He made several comment towards you and quick but he didnt shade any of you, even tho he was probably scumreading you both at that point. He also implied nauci was scum but then in the same post agreed with her so, doesnt look like mefia trying to push an agenda, its a clunky post

okay but the way he brings up wanting to pl Quick is concerning me because I don't think that is a naturally formed read. I feel like he is just going with the swing of things and it seems like he's trying to have the best of two worlds in this way I feel like is really scummy.

I dont really like whiskers content overall and you are probably correct in saying that hes scummy, but imo hes town

[Joey_]

Another thing is that whiskers is all over the place and pushing his own content, thats much more likely to come from disorganized town than mafia trying to get towncred or stuff

[Joey_]

Its actully kinda anti-town as it might make things not show up in search

nuke this slot lol.

UC/Nero/Dunk i will lynch in those. since dunk has the highest votes, i'll keep my vote there

Can you developpe on your nero read

i think he's doing the whole "omg hes so bad he is town thing" but there is literally no reason for him to TR me at this point at all. i could just be mafia pushing a mislynch and he hasn't even given a thought process on it at all

yea theres really no great reason to tr you yet

[Joey_]

@nero who do you think the "second lynch" should be? Or rather, who do you think the two lynches, in no particular order should be?

I've already kinda answered this. I am voting Nauci.I said I wouldn't really oppose a lynch on 2iam. I', also considering a policy lynch on the miller claim and Axel feels like he's active lurking. I'd prob be ok with any of those.

@gerry what do you think of that post

[Joey_]

whiskers are you an alt or something, you remind me of someone

remind me of rob but less retarded

Do not use slurs like this. This is an official warning.

To be fair, its a modern DSM diagnosis

[Joey_]

I am pushing a wagon to lynch today.


We need enough time to analyze the flip and go for the second flip.

So thats like a D1 twilight lynch? kinda

[Joey_]

If its actually true the i propose we make preflip scenarios

Like, eventually we will settle for someone as our primary lynch then depending on his flip, we could have 2 differents 2nd lynch via associations no? But if he have to flip fast then we might not have time for their claims etc

[Joey_]

NVM Actually that was pretty dumb cause we dont get the 1st flip lel

[Joey_]

NVM Actually that was pretty dumb cause we dont get the 1st flip lel

?


We get the first flip, in about 12 hours or so when I go for it.

Oh, so we actually do get the flip before the 2nd, thats good af

[Joey_]

Correct. It's fairly obvious at this point what I am and how I intend to use it. But i'm not explicitly claiming it because watching two in a million squirm is more fun.

You should wait for everyone to catch up imo, namely shiro and IaI

[Joey_]

2mill, cabd and now probably rah are locktown for me

[Joey_]

you can just vig me if u want idrc

can you claim?

[Joey_]

2mill, cabd and now probably rah are locktown for me

scummy imo

i'm vt if it isn't obvious

How is me asking you to claim scummy in any way, youve been asked like 3-4 times by the vig whos threatening to shoot you

[Joey_]

ok joey's lockscum

tf i cant even

[Joey_]

I will say "there is no vig" over and over until people stop saying there is.

K when I shoot you will publicly apologize for this post and admit I'm vig, yes or yes?

dont shoot 2mil, hes one of the most obvious town since day start

[Joey_]

2mill, cabd and now probably rah are locktown for me

scummy imo

i'm vt if it isn't obvious

YO SHE MADE THIS SAME EXACT POST AS SCUM BEFORE.

viewtopic.php?p=9424964#p9424964

RIGHT HERE LOL. THIS IS SCUM 100000%

VOTE: dunk omgus

i would want him shot over lynched

[Joey_]

shoot me, lynch beeboy and joey or don't listen to me
kthx

Can you try to articulate your scumread on my 2 last post because i really dont get it

[Joey_]

I'll just sheep gerry at this point. both wagons are good.

VOTE: dunk

so scummy i cant even

dude's an almost cleared mason

[Joey_]

now dunk is just trying to not give away his partners

this, his last 10 interactions feels rushed and bs

[Joey_]

joey/beeboy/holyspirit/turtle/someone else
now shoot me already

If you want anyone to hear you, you should try to make at least somewhat of a case because listing names while asking to be shot wont do a thing

[Joey_]

Threadlock, mod just picked up the PM

yas

[Joey_]

im so fucking pissed

[Joey_]

@Dunk i basically tone read you correctly all game until you made extremely opaque and terrible reads when you where threatened

[Joey_]

As far as im concerned, i wouldnt waste my scum day vig shot on dunk as mefia since hes lynchbait @quick

[Joey_]

I will say "there is no vig" over and over until people stop saying there is.

K when I shoot you will publicly apologize for this post and admit I'm vig, yes or yes?

dont shoot 2mil, hes one of the most obvious town since day start

this is scum whiteknighting. Lets kill it.

Sorry im able to read people, apparently i was white-knighting dunk all game too

[Joey_]

Also can anyone explain me the dunker fos, because his content so far is exactly what should be expected from him as a player, more or less scummy

Basically theres 5-6 players who havent posted enough, then theres 8+ actives players and most of them have a lot of experience. 3 of those active players so far are 2 mil, UC and dunker and they are all being fosed while imo none are actually that scummy

no, i'm voting dunk/UC only

Theres like 4 + scum, you can do better

here kitties @whiskers @joey vote dunk. get the bird

I played one game with drunk and he was mafia, i dont remember my alignement but i remember i did iso his past games and i remember that his scumplay was extremely terrible and even w/o meta i dont understand whyd you want to push him

Its actully kinda anti-town as it might make things not show up in search

nuke this slot lol.

UC/Nero/Dunk i will lynch in those. since dunk has the highest votes, i'll keep my vote there

Can you developpe on your nero read

@nero, im wondering if youre that kind of player who dismiss that for scum whiteknight too

[Joey_]

I will say "there is no vig" over and over until people stop saying there is.

K when I shoot you will publicly apologize for this post and admit I'm vig, yes or yes?

dont shoot 2mil, hes one of the most obvious town since day start

this is scum whiteknighting. Lets kill it.

Sorry im able to read people, apparently i was white-knighting dunk all game too

-1 for looking for towncred.

lol

[Joey_]

mafia is always the same shit

[Joey_]

Dunk had his townplay all game until he scummed it up just at the end, not my fault

[Joey_]

I was town reading Dunk too but I could see why ppl were scum reading him and calling him obvious feels too much like scum that knows he was town.

So you shared my read and find that scummy, cool

[Joey_]

Dunk had his townplay all game until he scummed it up just at the end, not my fault

I think I should relook at your slot now.

lol do it

[Joey_]

joey

vote whiskers

i liked his earlier lines

why do you personnally scumread him?

[Joey_]

Dunk had his townplay all game until he scummed it up just at the end, not my fault

I think I should relook at your slot now.

Now you want to buddy after I bring it up.

This is the definition of confirmation bias @2mil

[Joey_]

Not the first time i will be srd for having too many correct reads

[Joey_]

I was town reading Dunk too but I could see why ppl were scum reading him and calling him obvious feels too much like scum that knows he was town.

So you shared my read and find that scummy, cool

What your reads on whisker?

[Joey_]

Dunk had his townplay all game until he scummed it up just at the end, not my fault

I think I should relook at your slot now.

Now you want to buddy after I bring it up.

This is the definition of confirmation bias @2mil

No it's the definition of scum trying to save their ass.

I guess ill ignore you as well

[Joey_]

i'm waffling on my whiskers read, i wanna tr but i'm also a bit weary

Thast basically my read on him too

[Joey_]

Not the first time i will be srd for having too many correct reads

It's easy to have "correct reads" when you know who is town and scum.

Its hard to understand that people can have correct read when you are unexperienced and have no reading skills

[Joey_]

meanwhile, I'm voting scum.

Explain again your fos for me in coherent terms

[Joey_]

Not the first time i will be srd for having too many correct reads

It's easy to have "correct reads" when you know who is town and scum.

Its hard to understand that people can have correct read when you are unexperienced and have no reading skills

Apparently you have know idea of my record.

I dont, you also dont understand that everyone wanted your ass at the start of the game for being super obnoxious about your extremely irrelevant push on cabd?

[Joey_]

You're saying there's only three scum?

How did you even infer that

[Joey_]

Not the first time i will be srd for having too many correct reads

It's easy to have "correct reads" when you know who is town and scum.

Its hard to understand that people can have correct read when you are unexperienced and have no reading skills

Apparently you have know idea of my record.

I dont, you also dont understand that everyone wanted your ass at the start of the game for being super obnoxious about your extremely irrelevant push on cabd?

It's not irrelevant. Is he confirmed town? Has he mislead the town about his role? Is his self interested behavior anti-town? No. Yes and Yes.

I disagree

[Joey_]

Not the first time i will be srd for having too many correct reads

It's easy to have "correct reads" when you know who is town and scum.

Its hard to understand that people can have correct read when you are unexperienced and have no reading skills

Apparently you have know idea of my record.

I dont, you also dont understand that everyone wanted your ass at the start of the game for being super obnoxious about your extremely irrelevant push on cabd?

It's not irrelevant. Is he confirmed town? Has he mislead the town about his role? Is his self interested behavior anti-town? No. Yes and Yes.

I disagree

Scum would.

Sure bro

[Joey_]

I don't recall you town reading Rhah before

Rhah is a claimed mason.....

-1

You know who you should be voting if Rhah's claim isn't true right?

I never said it's not true, it's scummy to continuosly bring it up. I'm not saying it is true either.

Explain me, how is it scummy to continuously bring it up or to take it account in his reads

[Joey_]

Why is it scummy to think someone is town when he claimed mason

[Joey_]

Alisae has requested replacement. Searching...

nooooo

[Joey_]

Let's lynch alisae.

no

[Joey_]

VOTE: flubber i think this might be a mefias bois

[Joey_]

UNVOTE:

Can you read flubber and gimme a read on him please

[Joey_]

VOTE: flubber i think this might be a mefias bois

seems a little early to bus?

tf is wrong with people like you

The premisse that im voting someone you scumread shouldnt ping you as a bus but as both most likely not being the same alignement, also your post serves no purpose but to shade both of us

[Joey_]

I am kinda sad Alisae replaced out cause they were one of the few players I enjoyed playing with thus far and a lot of other players are making me angry so I think I am going to take a break from this game for a bit so I can play more rationally.

I can be your new friend if you want, im also sad he replaced out

[Joey_]

The premisse that im voting someone you scumread shouldnt ping you as a bus but as both most likely not being the same alignement, also your post serves no purpose but to shade both of us

I was scumreading you both independently. :/ All your reactions that are basically along the lines of "we share the same read, you should read me like this." are p silly Also scum voting each other is a thing so your application for town cred is denied.

Dude you scumread me for townreading someone that was heavily fosed, we probably relatively had the same thought process about the slot and yes you shouldnt scumread me for it with stupids reads along the line of "you trd him cuz ur maf u knew he was mefia"

[Joey_]

I see Nero's point. I think it would be more apt to look for scum in cabd and gerryoat upon a whiskers flip than to use the dunkerdoodles wagon as a case against him.

I'm not saying that either. I'm saying tat the dunker wagon doesn't realy seem like a "conterwagon" as I don't think scum other than maybe Whiskers was pushing it.

It feels...convenient, I guess...that you'd go "oh counterwagon!" Its kinda like using a "mechanical" reason and its just easy and path of least resistance.

It absolutely is a mechanical reason. But it's in addition to the bigger issue I'm having with whiskers.

Dont you have any reaction whatsoever about my vote?

[Joey_]

No. You're not as important as you think you are and I'm not getting sucked into rvs reaction test levels of scum hunting on page SIXTY FUCKING FIVE

You appealed to me earlier so im assuming you kinda read me as town, thats why i made the assumption you would react

[Joey_]

Reads (this will prolly be really bad, but I want to see what I think of everyone).

Town

Nero
Rhah
TwoInAMillion
Alisae (slot)

Lean Town

Cabd
HolySpiritTurtle AKA Gif
Flubbernugget
gerryoat

Null/Are these people even playing?

AxleGreaser (Going to try and ISO them tomorrow)
Shiro
I Am Innocent
UC Voyager

Lean Scum

Nauci
Joey_

Scum

beeboy
Whiskers

So you scum lean me, for what

[Joey_]

Reads (this will prolly be really bad, but I want to see what I think of everyone).

Town

Nero
Rhah
TwoInAMillion
Alisae (slot)

Lean Town

Cabd
HolySpiritTurtle AKA Gif
Flubbernugget
gerryoat

Null/Are these people even playing?

AxleGreaser (Going to try and ISO them tomorrow)
Shiro
I Am Innocent
UC Voyager

Lean Scum

Nauci
Joey_

Scum

beeboy
Whiskers

So you scum lean me, for what

Nero's reasons.

lold

[Joey_]

So im scumread for being correct on reads, i will then proceed to out stupid ass reads like nero and apparently get townread by the likes of quick

[Joey_]

VOTE: cabd

[Joey_]

It will and do it, you said yourself you like to have a case be explicite so you can trash it, so do mine

[Joey_]

So im scumread for being correct on reads, i will then proceed to out stupid ass reads like nero and apparently get townread by the likes of quick

I can ISO you if that will make you feel better.

Btw im expecting to be locktown since i just voted cabd, from your logic and nero's

[Joey_]

Acutally we probably should policy lynch shiro, i scum read his only post
VOTE: shiro

[Joey_]

...............................

Why was 2mil obv town sans the mason claim.

You can iso me i made an exact post answering this exact question

[Joey_]

Enabling players who scumread others for being correct on reads is the most absurd thing in mafia, theres a very fine line in scumgain via whiteknighting and town having reads

[Joey_]

People who townread 2iam; explain why plz kthnx.

Tone, i also dont think the way he pursued you for your claim was scummy. Like, his line of questioning made sens, was relatively coherent etc it didn't felt scum motived but even at time genuine concern imo. It also seems like he went against the grain for no reason but to attack a claim of someone claiming to be confirmable or something like that idk, looks like normal town play

@nero

[Joey_]

VOTE: flubber

[Joey_]

Who (in my estimation) Joey_ CANNOT be teamed with:

Flubber
Cabd
Alisae (slot)
Nero
gerryoat

CAN be teamed with Whiskers. If so, Joey_ is much better at distancing than Whiskers.

Waiting for iso

Why cant i be with gerryoat ?

[Joey_]

Who (in my estimation) Joey_ CANNOT be teamed with:

Flubber
Cabd
Alisae (slot)
Nero
gerryoat

CAN be teamed with Whiskers. If so, Joey_ is much better at distancing than Whiskers.

Waiting for iso

Why cant i be with gerryoat ?

That

is

my ISO of you.

Because you asked them honest questions. Like if you are Scum It makes perfect sense that you would try and get a Town read from gerry by asking them these basic kind of questions.

that was underwhelming

[Joey_]

Who (in my estimation) Joey_ CANNOT be teamed with:

Flubber
Cabd
Alisae (slot)
Nero
gerryoat

CAN be teamed with Whiskers. If so, Joey_ is much better at distancing than Whiskers.

Waiting for iso

Why cant i be with gerryoat ?

That

is

my ISO of you.

Because you asked them honest questions. Like if you are Scum It makes perfect sense that you would try and get a Town read from gerry by asking them these basic kind of questions.

I don't see why you would have any reason to ask these kinds of basic questions to gerry if you are both Scum. If you are Town, it doesn't really make sense to ask gerry these questions either.

which questions, why doesnt it make sens coming from town

[Joey_]

votecount 1-2.7

Whiskers (3) - Alisae, Flubbernugget, Quick

Alisae (1) - Whiskers
Joey_ (1) - Nero Cain
Quick (1) - beeboy
UC Voyager (1) - Rhah
Flubbernugget (1) - Joey_

Not voting (9) - Shiro, I Am Innocent, AxleGreaser, HolySpiritTurtle, Cabd, UC Voyager, Nauci, TwoInAMillion, gerryoat

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is October 23, 15:00 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2017-10-23 15:00:00).

What happened to the quick wagon? people moved to dunk i guess

@beeboy
VOTE: quick
fine with me

[Joey_]

I sincerely have no doubt in my mind that

2mil, beeboy, cabd are town

[Joey_]

@quick outing a tr on someone =/= pocket attempt

[Joey_]

@quick outing a tr on someone =/= pocket attempt

What are you talking about?

nvm that part i misread something you said to beeboy

Why do you bother making an actual iso only when i vote you

[Joey_]

These are all the interactions you have had with gerry, I believe. None of it looks like SvS. Questions highlighted in red. It doesn't make sense coming from Town because there is the question of "why gerry?"

Did you ask me why gerry before scumreading me for something you never bothered to explore ?

Gerry is someone i have been played with on mafia games for 2-3 years now, i know him more than anyone here and i trust hid judgement, that explains "why gerry"

[Joey_]

hi gerryboat, i hope you dont scumread me for defending and being associated with two towns this game

Btw that part is directly hinted at people like nero and you who scumreads people who trs green flips

[Joey_]

@quick outing a tr on someone =/= pocket attempt

What are you talking about?

nvm that part i misread something you said to beeboy

Why do you bother making an actual iso only when i vote you

Because you asked me to show my work which I didn't do originally. You are trying to come at it like I didn't ISO in the first place, but my work for the ISO I did was shown later.

You mean your my TDLR scumbuddies assessment ? Ofc it felt like you did nothing

[Joey_]

These are all the interactions you have had with gerry, I believe. None of it looks like SvS. Questions highlighted in red. It doesn't make sense coming from Town because there is the question of "why gerry?"

Did you ask me why gerry before scumreading me for something you never bothered to explore ?

Gerry is someone i have been played with on mafia games for 2-3 years now, i know him more than anyone here and i trust hid judgement, that explains "why gerry"

Then why this:

Its actully kinda anti-town as it might make things not show up in search

nuke this slot lol.

UC/Nero/Dunk i will lynch in those. since dunk has the highest votes, i'll keep my vote there

Can you developpe on your nero read

i think he's doing the whole "omg hes so bad he is town thing" but there is literally no reason for him to TR me at this point at all. i could just be mafia pushing a mislynch and he hasn't even given a thought process on it at all

yea theres really no great reason to tr you yet

Why not this?

Do you assume that i was already townreading gerry ? Dont you think maybe i wanted his opinion to get a good feeback + try to sort gerrybote?

By "great" reasons i mean that theres isnt anything really that should be townreadable from someone like nero who didnt share as much experience with gerry

[Joey_]

@quick outing a tr on someone =/= pocket attempt

What are you talking about?

nvm that part i misread something you said to beeboy

Why do you bother making an actual iso only when i vote you

Because you asked me to show my work which I didn't do originally. You are trying to come at it like I didn't ISO in the first place, but my work for the ISO I did was shown later.

You mean your my TDLR scumbuddies assessment ? Ofc it felt like you did nothing

That is because you don't understand what I did.

Its not that i dont understand it,

i just asked you to explain your scum lean on my slot
You said you could provide an iso, i said yes

-> i expected a post that would explain the scum lean
-> What i got : a scumbuddies list

???????

Was i supposed to assume you did a really great and extensive iso on my slot, was i supposed to understand why you scumleaned me from that list, hm no

[Joey_]

These are all the interactions you have had with gerry, I believe. None of it looks like SvS. Questions highlighted in red. It doesn't make sense coming from Town because there is the question of "why gerry?"

Did you ask me why gerry before scumreading me for something you never bothered to explore ?

Gerry is someone i have been played with on mafia games for 2-3 years now, i know him more than anyone here and i trust hid judgement, that explains "why gerry"

Then why this:

Its actully kinda anti-town as it might make things not show up in search

nuke this slot lol.

UC/Nero/Dunk i will lynch in those. since dunk has the highest votes, i'll keep my vote there

Can you developpe on your nero read

i think he's doing the whole "omg hes so bad he is town thing" but there is literally no reason for him to TR me at this point at all. i could just be mafia pushing a mislynch and he hasn't even given a thought process on it at all

yea theres really no great reason to tr you yet

Why not this?

Do you assume that i was already townreading gerry ? Dont you think maybe i wanted his opinion to get a good feeback + try to sort gerrybote?

By "great" reasons i mean that theres isnt anything really that should be townreadable from someone like nero who didnt share as much experience with gerry

So you've answered "Why gerry?" Do you have a point to make other than saying that you could be teamed with gerry?

That wasnt my point, its that i kinda understood where you might be coming from for the other guys, i was wondering why especially gerry since im pretty convinced theres very less good reasons for people to think im not teaming with him. If anything, our interactions are really mild and NAI so i was just wondering

[Joey_]

@Quick do you scumread beeboy and if yes, why. You mightve explained it earlier but understand me that i hate your posting style and has been diagonally reading you for a while

PEDIT : No im not done, why am i still a scum lean

[Joey_]

I just double checked your scumlist and honestly its terrible

Not only am i town, beeboy is prob the towniest slot here who didnt get special service via a cheap claim like cabd/2mill who are also universally townread. Nauci is a cheap ass read that shouldnt be a priority to explore as scum options. Whiskers is prob town and you also have less than 5 scumreads

Basically you have no decent scumreads but maybe whiskers

[Joey_]

He scum reads me for trying to "pocket Alisae" even though I showed him my original thoughts that showed I wasn't sheeping them and all the parts where I was scum reading them.

Even if that was the case, you dont put someone on your hard sr list for something as ambiguous as "pocketing attempts" its a weak read

[Joey_]

@Quick do you scumread beeboy and if yes, why. You mightve explained it earlier but understand me that i hate your posting style and has been diagonally reading you for a while

PEDIT : No im not done, why am i still a scum lean

I still Scum read them, yeah. IDK why Beeboy thinks I am going to have these super deep reads on D1. I don't really EVER really have super deep reads. I mostly just poke stuff.

You're a Scum lean because I ISO'd you. Do you want me to show my work for that because I really don't want to ISO you again.

Hm no, im pretty sure you scumlean'd me before you iso'd me and replied "nero's reasons", so either thats a misunderstanding or you just lied

[Joey_]

Dayvig is a normal role so Camd is not a dayvig.

-1 on Camd for trying to force dunk.

Jesus Christ it is taking everything I have no to fucking shoot this.

If you shoot me for making a valid point then it just makes you look bad. You should be looking for scum not constantly looking over your back.

This is a Town response.

@Quick

Do you think in a vaccuum, its fair to think you are mefia for pocketing 2mill here or nah

[Joey_]

Why is your hardest tr is nero

[Joey_]

Why is your hardest tr is nero

IDK that it is. I listed him first because I like him.

Okay, instead of answered literally to my post, you couldve also tell me why is he listed as a tr

[Joey_]

answering*

[Joey_]

Why is your hardest tr is nero

IDK that it is. I listed him first because I like him.

Okay, instead of answered literally to my post, you couldve also tell me why is he listed as a tr

yes, I could have. But I didn't.

Why do you townread nero ?

[Joey_]

Why is your hardest tr is nero

IDK that it is. I listed him first because I like him.

Okay, instead of answered literally to my post, you couldve also tell me why is he listed as a tr

yes, I could have. But I didn't.

Why do you townread nero ?

Because I like most of the staces he has made and I like the points he is making.

Yet you fos me for
-> townreading dunk
-> Asking questions to gerry

???

[Joey_]

Why is your hardest tr is nero

IDK that it is. I listed him first because I like him.

Okay, instead of answered literally to my post, you couldve also tell me why is he listed as a tr

yes, I could have. But I didn't.

Why do you townread nero ?

Because I like most of the staces he has made and I like the points he is making.

Yet you fos me for
-> townreading dunk
-> Asking questions to gerry

???

I can see Nero's reasons for Scum reading you for Town reading Dunk. One of my biggest reasons for Scum reading you, however, is for Scum reading Dunk.
My perspective on your engagement with gerry has changed.

Do you even understand

why i townread the guy
Why i fosed him literraly only 10 min before his flip? You scumread me for that? like thats so weak

[Joey_]

Mort importantly, i wouldve no reason to have a strong stance on a lynchbait scumtelling VT whos getting shit the very same moment

[Joey_]

getting shot*

[Joey_]

@CABD

: In case youre silly. (so sorry?) The question is at Joey.
Ask me questions later if you'd like something clarified to the rest of the thread, about what i think.

As far as im concerned, i wouldnt waste my scum day vig shot on dunk as mefia since hes lynchbait @quick

@Joey.

if there was hypothetical game (not this one)
and a mafia player in the game had a day vig.

And he didn't shoot someone like Dunker (but shot someone scum might like to shoot)

What would happen to the mafia player?
and would the trade be worth it?

First, cabd was very very town imo all day and his attitude while not pro-town, was town nonetheless so he had that going for him
Second, cabd kinda was talking about how he wanted to shot other players like 2mill out of frustration etc, i dont think he was serious but this is the kind of stuff that kinda happen quite often, anyway gut day-vig shot are meme shot but the most rewarding for town, cabd also had the "narrative" to back up a meme shot on someone that wasnt the consensus of town.

IMO if town day vig random meme someone and they flip pr or were hardly townready, they will probably get hardpushed by mafia sure
If mafia is actually smart about their day vig, they would want someone that is
1. Pr telling -> they will either get their claims or eventually shoot them anyway win/win
2. Someone that is loud af and will probably be never lynched

Basically dunker was none of those options, dunk claimed VT and was probably the most lynchbaity slot on the table at the moment, it would be a very very very weak shot for a mefia, its much more likely that this bad shot is coming from town.

To answer this :

would the trade be worth it?

If mafia ended up shooting a good target for mafia, they will probably get away with it for a good day or more with sooo many mefias in game, i think its worth it yes

[Joey_]

I am going to bed, Joey. We can waste everyone's time tomorrow if you want.

Why do you assume its a waste, im trying to understand your reads while they are essentially weak af

[Joey_]

Joey - Reading people as town correctly isn't a defense?

Isnt a defense? Fucking yes when you are accused of being mafia for actually townreading town

[Joey_]

Atm im looking at

Tiam/Rah
Beeboy/ Cabd <- as close as confirmed town it gets
-
Alisae <- most likley town
-
-
Axe <- something is off, like his positionning idk, i dont think this guy is tone readable
-
Quick <- His reads are objectively abysmal, idk what hes doing
Nero <- i loved a few early posts and hated others. This is most likely mafia
Flubber <- i remember his town play to be stronger, also i dont like his non reaction to my vote and his content overall, looks like a mefia to me

Some thoughts :

Nauci kinda strike me as town which is annoying
UC had content early on but then hes not positing anything really anymore, thought i liked his early posts kinda
Whiskers, idk im abiguous. when i read his post i dont actively scumread the guy but theres a few thing hes overreacting and whatnot in a manner i wouldnt expect from town
Gerry bote, basically playing like last game when he was town but less invested, most likely because this is a large game. I think his reaction to a few things looked genuine, this is prob town but i need more
Turtle : Hard to sort i think, overall okay

[Joey_]

Joey: reading people as town is one of the easiest ways scum grab for LAMIST credit since scum know who's town? Like, there are much more productive things to say than pointing at your ability to read people as town before they flipped.

Also, why do you clear beeboy so hard? I don't feel like any of us are on the same page and I practically think it's a scum slip.

What is the scumslip, the fact i put beeboy as hard tr? Do you even have any concept of what is a scum slip nauci

[Joey_]

VOTE: Flubber
ok.

You realize I have zero reason to Town read you for this right?

????????

You are almost as unintelligible as axe dude, i cant follow how you think at all

[Joey_]

@Nero watch me

VOTE: flubber

[Joey_]

No it had to be in front of the bus : )

[Joey_]

lol

[Joey_]

Why do you still im mafia again

[Joey_]

think*

[Joey_]

I think that nero had the worst reads on the table so far, objectively. i dont think he even explained why he fos flubb either

[Joey_]

So says the guy that pushed nothing but town before voting Flubb. I was actually surprised that you only had one vote prior to a Flubber vote. That seems a bit odd.

Yea, i dont vote if im not sure, dunk was beiing shot at regardless of me fosing him or nah

[Joey_]

Why do you still im mafia again

I think you were whiteknighting, 2mil.

i dont think he even explained why he fos flubb either

I think Flubb's Whisker vote seems a little "path of least resistance"

So i was whiteknighting him since the start of the game?

[Joey_]

I think that nero had the worst reads on the table so far, objectively

Why do you town read Nauci and Whiskers?

Recently i said i was unsure on whiskers
Nauci's posts tone and some reactions feels too good and genuine to be faked from someone that is as unexperienced, i also liked some of her thought and answers to you. Lets say its a town lean

[Joey_]

1. Alisae
2. Shiro
3. I Am Innocent
7. AxleGreaser
8. HolySpiritTurtle
9. Flubbernugget
10. beeboy
14. gerryoat
15. Whiskers
17. Nauci

like who is the scum here Joey. I mean I obviously removed those that I think are not scum and yourself since you aren't gonna call yourself scum.

Why do you ask me who is mafia if youre going to not include everyone lol, i can actually try to answer if you really want

[Joey_]

Gerry/Alisae
Whiskers
HolySpiritTurtle/Nauci

the first 5 out of everyon i dont hard tr are probably those less likely to flip mefias

Shiro
I Am Innocent
Nero Cain
AxleGreaser
Flubbernugget
UC Voyager
Quick

Last group is just free for all, some had good content early but are doing nothing rn (UC), had good post but terrible reads and pushes (nero) or just null

Theres probably 3 + mefia in last group at least if im not completely dead wrong on everything

[Joey_]

I feel like i never really tried to read axe because hes hard to read, i probably could if i made an effort

[Joey_]

@Nero why am i not fosed for wk cabd but i am for 2mill and even dunk? You put me as a townread before the bird flip then you switched after. Why makes the wk of 2mill different than cabd'S ?

[Joey_]

Sorry still on page 3. Friday might be a good day to plow thru this

Dude there will be like 3 days left friday, just replace out if youre not going to play

[Joey_]

@Axe i took time to answer your question, are you going to address it ever or nah

[Joey_]

@NERO

and avoiding this game but yeah....

My question was not optional.

@Nero

Do you have a reason to believe his earlier read was not genuine?

this is scum whiteknighting. Lets kill it.

i really dont think tiam is mefia, ill check back later cya

Do you have a reason to believe his earlier read was not genuine?

No basically im mafia because i knew 2mil was town when he towntold since his first post, and yes if you iso me i didnt out all my reads including the 2 mill one. It was hinted to whiskers i was hiding my reads because it helps to see interactions form w/o influencing the others via your reads. Beeboy also has the same approach as me regarding this from one of his post

[Joey_]

No

Joey joey joey

The question was toooo him. I wanted to know >about him< and how >>he<< got his read on you.

Indeed if I wanted to know where your read in 453 came from Id be asking you.
If hes town he doesn't need more information from you to help him answer my question.

@Axe i took time to answer your question, are you going to address it ever or nah

yes.
I was actually using it just now.
I like good lawyer wanted to know, if Nero had tried asking, would he likely have got something productive.
(AKA I wasn't sure before my question to you, he wouldn't be able to claim asking was pointless)
Your answer in 1748 followed as good fortune with 1751
let me know that if Nero had asked it was very plausible he would have got a useful answer.

So now I want to know why Nero didnt ask, and just went with

this is scum whiteknighting. Lets kill it.

That seems like lack of curiosity about why you really defended TIAM.

---

but yes lesson learned.
Next time if I ask a question like that and get such an answer, I ought be politer and acknowledge it, if what i do with it next isn't immediately obvious.

Im really really really trying to understand your content but its almost if you are half-talking to yourself, its really hard for me to understand some of your lines at all. I also knew his question was to him but nero will never admit his fos is pretty shitty

[Joey_]

I also knew his question was to him but nero will never admit his fos is pretty shitty

and if he is scum why would he. In that case he knows he made it up without real reason.
but it me asking him and hearing his replies that lets me read, whether thats scummy or just wrong.

Yea its anti-town to answer questions asked to others but i was mildly pissed and im fully expecting nero, regardless of alignement, to offer a really unsatisfying and underwhelming answer : )

[Joey_]

EBWOP

I also knew his question was to him but nero will never admit his fos is pretty shitty

and if he is scum why would he? In that case he knows he made it up without a real reason.
but by me asking him and hearing his replies, that lets me read, whether that is him being scummy or just wrong.

Btw thank you for trying to make for a more readable content, i actually appreciate a lot more than you might think

[Joey_]

but i was mildly pissed

yes, I had not thought about how youd feel having answered that first question with such long post and it seemingly not going anywhere. So more prominently this time

but yes lesson learned.
Next time if I ask a question like that and get such an answer, I ought be politer and acknowledge it, if what i do with it next isn't immediately obvious.

oops

but yes not answering other peoples questions is pretty close to a golden rule: IMO.

one of the thing i feel off with you is that you are very fence sitty and compliant

[Joey_]

Also D1 should end.

Whats your read on axe?

[Joey_]

D1 should end with a quality lynch.

UC isnt a quality lynch, dunk wasnt a quality shot either

[Joey_]

D1 should end with a quality lynch.

UC isnt a quality lynch, dunk wasnt a quality shot either

You voted dunk

He also scumtold into oblivious when he called me lockscum for something completely ridiculous, enough that i dont remember

[Joey_]

Drunk flailed like scum would anyway

[Joey_]

D1 should end with a quality lynch.

UC isnt a quality lynch, dunk wasnt a quality shot either

You voted dunk

He also scumtold into oblivious when he called me lockscum for something completely ridiculous, enough that i dont remember

So you have a problem with people Scum reading you. That seems to be the message I am getting.

I do, his reason, yours and nero's are all unwarranted

[Joey_]

Spoiler:

you can just vig me if u want idrc

can you claim?

2mill, cabd and now probably rah are locktown for me

scummy imo

i'm vt if it isn't obvious

2mill, cabd and now probably rah are locktown for me

scummy imo

i'm vt if it isn't obvious

How is me asking you to claim scummy in any way, youve been asked like 3-4 times by the vig whos threatening to shoot you

ok joey's lockscum

ok joey's lockscum

tf i cant even

2mill, cabd and now probably rah are locktown for me

scummy imo

i'm vt if it isn't obvious

YO SHE MADE THIS SAME EXACT POST AS SCUM BEFORE.

viewtopic.php?p=9424964#p9424964

RIGHT HERE LOL. THIS IS SCUM 100000%

VOTE: dunk omgus

i would want him shot over lynched

shoot me, lynch beeboy and joey or don't listen to me
kthx

shoot me, lynch beeboy and joey or don't listen to me
kthx

Can you try to articulate your scumread on my 2 last post because i really dont get it

I'll just sheep gerry at this point. both wagons are good.

VOTE: dunk

so scummy i cant even

dude's an almost cleared mason

oh right i forgot
my bad

now dunk is just trying to not give away his partners

this, his last 10 interactions feels rushed and bs

joey/beeboy/holyspirit/turtle/someone else
now shoot me already

joey/beeboy/holyspirit/turtle/someone else
now shoot me already

If you want anyone to hear you, you should try to make at least somewhat of a case because listing names while asking to be shot wont do a thing

This is basically everything from me townreading dunker to voting him and dunker scumreading me from 0 to 100 in 2 posts. Basically hi reasons were atrocious, unexplained and he called me lock scum for asking him to claim while being asked to hardclaim numerous time

[Joey_]

D1 should end with a quality lynch.

UC isnt a quality lynch, dunk wasnt a quality shot either

You voted dunk

He also scumtold into oblivious when he called me lockscum for something completely ridiculous, enough that i dont remember

So you have a problem with people Scum reading you. That seems to be the message I am getting.

Also from meta, i hate being scumread as town and i can back it up if you care to read cause i wont iso my previous game if you wont bother

[Joey_]

Nero's reasons is that i WK 2 mil

-> But i did have that read about a few hours in the day
-> He scumread me townreading 2mill but he doesnt scumread me or addressed the fact that i also "whithknighd" cabd
- > At first he says that im mafia for townreading dunk too, while he had the same read as me. Im mafia because i know those guys were town. I outed a tr on 2mil before it was cool, i defended the bird before it was cool too

Quick's reason is the same as nero

-> Apprently the guy scumread me before but he never mentionned my name or anything before the bird flip
-> Sheep nero trash reads
-> Has trashy reason to hard tr nero
-> He scumread me for having wierds interactions with gerry. Those interactions got subsequently explained.

????????

[Joey_]

dunk wasnt a quality shot either

Who was?

Guess lmao, how many people got shot you think

[Joey_]

I did advocate for the bird shot but he fucking asked for it and i didnt have time to talk to him about his last 10ish scummy ass posts. Im confident in my ability that i wouldve eventually backed off if we had time