Mafia 75: Return of the Mafia! TOWN WINS (really late)
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I can see truth in all of this, apart from the last point. Clearly it is you, and not CKD who is the voice of reason here.armlx wrote:So here's what I'm seeing.
BM is tunnel visioned on someone he told me earlier I was giving too much respect to.
TS is ignorant of the current game state because she replaced.
CKD is the voice of reason.
Interesting read. However, there is a certain case to the end that Lloyd has tried to be VERY productive. With his proxy scheme, vote table, and general content, he has certainly been full of ideas, even if they havent actually been that helpful to hunting scum.My read on scum Lloyd is he is much more productive than town Lloyd. This is from one game, so it may be off, however I believe it is accurate. Current Lloyd in this game is fairly non-productive aka probably not scum. I will look into this further later.
and Lloyd is right about the deadline. It doesnt really matter, although i am 99% sure the deadline would be GMT. Jordan isnt a dirty foreigner ya know!Armlx wrote: NO ONE, I repeat, NO ONE should hammer KS.
Finally, a question.
Mod: What time zone is the 9pm deadline for?
That is all.
Farside, i'd like to hear your thoughts now ive posted the case on Lloyd.
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Poor logic is poor logic. Trying to push something as scummy when it isnt, is scummy in itself. Why are you so desperately defensive of him?Toaster Strudel wrote:
Why does that make Lloyd scum? I don't see pressuring you to be a bad thing, no matter the angle the player chooses to take.Battle Mage wrote:Tries to instigate pressure on me based on semantics of grammar.
*sigh*TS wrote:
You might have something there. But that's all you got, really. Everything else amounts to a hill of beans. So his voting table lead nowhere. Yeah. Maybe that makes him scum.Battle Mage wrote:Another example i also spotted of him pretending to scumhunt was that table of votes he provided. Again, a nice original idea, but it didnt lead anywhere, or help us atall, and again, when questioned about this, he failed to respond.
I see no reason to halt the glorious Day 1 lynch of the SK for that.
I am not unvoting killa seven. Either farside or KS is the serial killer. OK they're both mindbogglingly stupid (well, farside's predecessor anyway) for killing Night 0. But the throat slashing gives it away, since we ought to pick one.
You are an idiot.
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Ok Farside, i've refreshed my thoughts on OeJo and TLP, and of the 2, i'd much rather see TLP hang. OeJo made 1 dubious post, whereas TLP had a really scummy backtracking phase. I can see a TLP-Kill tonight will actually tell us something, so i approve of that decision, although id still prefer a Lloyd-NK tbh.
Still want your response to my earlier comment.
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Here was his reasoning for using that proxy:dahill1 wrote:viewtopic.php?p=327817#327817
lloyd proxied his vote to kelly chen, who voted for him twice using both votes. he ended up getting lynched and was a townie
"Since this day has dragged so long, I'm starting to lose interest. Thus, I want to proxy my vote to Kelly Chen, and she can decide on behalf of me."
No such reasoning was given here.
Has Lloyd ever proxied his vote as scum?
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This gives me significant town vibes. Scum are often reluctant to admit mistakes and openly backtrack.armlx wrote:PBPA of oEJo:
Post 0: Attacks newbie for saying "I'm new, I'll probably be stupid". Nothing invalid here.
Post 1: Bunch of cult stuff, all reasonable. The kicker is
Mildly odd, just believe him because.I believe Battle Mage mostly. Not due to meta or anything, I just do. He could be more of a threat though, later on in the game if he's alive.
Post 2 & 3: Starts lurker wagon on TNE under the logic he is not hunting scum, therefore he is not town.
Next several posts are all good logic about not true random voting, defending BM, etc.
Post 13: Votes Charity, an obviously pretty bad wagon IMO. Pretty clear its just a newbie mistake to me, not a scummy one.
Post 14: Hops to killa. Sure, w/e.
17: Hops to Imat after the killa wagon grows to fast.
19: Votes Lloyd for being dumb.
In retrospect, oEJo is not that scummy. His votes are logical, the main issue was his lurking which was solved via replacement.
@Farside-thanks for your prompt response. Maybe it is time we get a claim from TLP, if he is your number 1 vig candidate.
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Incorrect. Scum is the collective of all anti-town roles. Saying an SK is not scum is like saying an SK is protown. 0.oarmlx wrote:Scum typically is more commonly used to refer to Mafia. You are correct.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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lol that was my thought when i read his post too.armlx wrote:
K. Peers scum keeps wanting us to shut up so he can kill us.Peers wrote:I get the odd feeling KS isn't getting lynched today and that someone's trying to distract us from it. Why aren't we trying to convince people to hammer him, again?Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Albert B. Rampage wrote:We are still looking for a replacement. Deadline is still in 3 days.Request Deadline Postponement till a Replacement is found.
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Jack, please second my deadline postponement request. we dont want to lose another power role at this stage, and want a claim out of TLP before he gets vigged.
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Umm, the Vig wants to kill TLP, and personally i dont want another power role killed without a claim. In case you hadnt noticed, we have a Vig, and a half decent Vig is gonna kill someone. That being the case, we want them to claim before we go to night, kapish?Toaster Strudel wrote:
Why is TLP on auto-vig? Let the vig not kill TLP. What's so complicated? Why get a claim from another player? What if he's the doctor? He doesn't need to claim unless he's run up a wagon. I'm not liking this directing the vig, and extracting claims for nothing.Battle Mage wrote:Jack, please second my deadline postponement request. we dont want to lose another power role at this stage, and want a claim out of TLP before he gets vigged.
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alternatively Farside, i think vigging TS might be a sound long-term strategy, regardless of her affiliation.
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Dont be a flippin idiot. We have a claimed vig who knows who he is gonna kill tonight. Why the feck wouldnt you want the target to claim!?Toaster Strudel wrote:
I've never seen anyone, EVER, pushing for someone to claim on penalty of being vigged. Especially someone in need of replacement.Battle Mage wrote:Umm, the Vig wants to kill TLP, and personally i dont want another power role killed without a claim. In case you hadnt noticed, we have a Vig, and a half decent Vig is gonna kill someone.
We have a vig doing Night 0 kills, and outing roles? Geez...
I dont approve of vigging someone who hasnt claimed. Apart from possibly TS, in which case it is a sound movement regardless of role.
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Farside, please second the extension request.
Otherwise, if TLP isnt replaced before the deadline, you'll have to rush a claim out of either Lloyd or TS.
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actually, reading a game i just replaced into, my newfound meta of Peers would indicate that he ALWAYS acts this scummy. 0.oShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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although id be tempted to see you NK TS, i must admit.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Avatar is hardly an indication about a players ability. Id be pretty offended if someone said just because i dont have an avatar, im equal in ability to a newb who just joined up this week.armlx wrote:His avatar says Hammer time.....
Much like Rosso's is a penguin with a HAMMAH!
What did you think about Ruler's question?
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I agree its funny, but i disagree with it making him look more town. 'Giving Up' is widely regarded as a pretty basic scumtell. I can actually see him thinking 'well, we can lose 1 goon and gain a vig and its still a pretty good swap'.armlx wrote:I am laughing at how Lloyd argues with a deadline extension that increases his chance of living, though I believe it increases his town odds.
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this is a reasonable argument, but it neglects the following scenarios:Peers wrote:I love you too, BM.
See, folks... this is a case of two players with different styles. BM thinks I always act scummy, but sometimes I act scummier than others. I, however, think that scum or town, BM tends to act in a logical fashion that fails to take into account that Mafia players are people and not emotionless machines.
So in other words... If BM thinks I need to claim or be vigged, I'll tell 'em to go sit on it and rotate, regardless of if I'm scum or not. And he won't know if I am or not. Because, really, if I claim town... what does that do? Nothing. You get to start debating on if I'm town telling the truth or scum fakeclaiming, or even a power role trying to fly under the radar. What does claiming do for me? Nothing -- if you think I'm scum, you'll still think I'm scum. What does claiming do for the town? Just causes more confusion. I'm either scum or town, and if my claim changes your mind, you're playin' in a weird way.
You claim a confirmable role
You claim a power role that we consider worth the risk to keep around
But i concede that claiming vanilla is practically the equivalent of sealing your own coffin. lol
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It was for the best.Nemesis wrote:
I didn't particularly like that either. I also don't like how everyone just went along with it.WhoMe? wrote:im already on killa so no vote required.
FOS BattleMage. If the rest of the town id going to claim not vig, that forces the vig to claim, which has happened. I would rather have left the decision in his hands
You fail at breadcrumbing...Nemesis wrote:
Ok, so you'd be among the top vig targets considering your claim... And you're now directing the vig. Well, good luck I guess.BM wrote:Based on my play, how much do you trust me?
Feel like directing the roleblocker too?
And ftr, i hope protown power roles have more sense than to target me tonight. That includes BOTH the aforementioned. Ugetme?
I don't think it can have a surprising significance really. Although if your scumdar is off you're pretty much dead with the effective killing of a player without giving any reasons yet.Nemesis wrote: [quote="BM]Do you trust not just my affiliation, but my JUDGEMENT, enough to give me the benefit of the doubt on tonights vig choice.
The answer to this question will have a surprising significance to the game.
The only thing about this which irks me is the reason you give tomorrow has to be good... And even if you are right you may have to fend off some accusations about telling someone to vig your scumbuddies.[/quote]
I've given plenty of reasons already. Accusations of that nature will have to be far more well-founded than what you are suggesting. At the end of the day, anyone who attacks or defends a player, is subject to the 'WIFOM of Mafia'. If you attack someone and they die as scum, it was bussing. If they were town, it was a simple mislynch. The same is true of defending players.
when TS replaced in?Nemesis wrote:
When did this stop? Are you not making our second kill choice for us now? Has there ever been a point in this game where you were not "leading the way"?BM wrote: At the time Lloyd gave me his vote, alot of people were paying attention to what i was saying, and i was leading the way to some extent.
Ok, really wishin u'd shut up now...Nemesis wrote:
If Jesus decended from the heavens and saved you from lynch you'd still get roleblocked, sorry man but you're a dead man walking at the moment. However you are going through some of the stages of grief...killa seven wrote:if u let me live ill vig kill whoever the town wants me 2 kill
Denial Anger Bargaining Depression Acceptance
We've seen the denial, you seem to have skipped anger and replaced it with trying to get out of it by making the counterclaim look bad (which failed miserably), that right there is bargaining... So now all you're missing is depression and then you hit acceptance.
Ffs. Are you like, the least subtle guy EVER?Nemesis wrote:
I'm so glad you are the vig and not Toaster Strudel... Anyway, while you may be dead tomorrow, a half decent doc should keep you alive. (Hopefully the doc isn't roleblocked or something.)farside22 wrote:See the way I look at it I will probably be dead tonight. I mean typically the scum want to take out power roles. They know mine so I would like to go out shooting. I was actually hopping Lloyd would come back and answer questions directed to him at this point. Also if I think someone is scummie and they turn out to be a power role and I target them is that not bad for the town TS?
@Peers: Why are you in a hurry to end discussion? Did you not see I'm trying to make a wise choice for the town before the end of the day?
If we are to make the unlikely assumption that we have a Doctor, it is probably wise that any prohibitive power roles i.e. Roleblocker, do not use an action tonight.
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6thed.farside22 wrote:
5th request.UnofficialRulerOfEveryone wrote:
4th'd. Not only do we need a possible claim from TLP (or said replacement) discussion, even if the day has been extremely long, is usually good, especially on the track we are going. Also, I support a TS vig if we don't get a claim from TLP and the extension isn't granted.Matt_S wrote:
3rd. Don't need any more dead power roles.armlx wrote:
2nd.Battle Mage wrote:Albert B. Rampage wrote:We are still looking for a replacement. Deadline is still in 3 days.Request Deadline Postponement till a Replacement is found.
BM
And, for clarification if a vig is NK'd their kill will not count, but if an SK is NK'd their kill will? Or would the kill count regardless of vig or SK role?
If the mod doesn't respon to the extention request I'm leaning towards Lloyd.
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If KS lived he's get roleblocked and vigged, his kill wouldn't go off because of the roleblock.
But someone dying doesn't stop their action from happening. Protections, kills, blocks, etc still go off as normal.
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Never seen anything so transparent in all my life. You just lucky im town. 0.oShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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plus the fact that he has still failed to answer any of the issues concerning his play. Im finding it incresingly hard to see him as town here.farside22 wrote:
Thank you for the extention. I think Lloyd's recent comments are anti-town. To give up on day one and refuse an extension is highly questionable. What makes him think that no matter what he is dead?JordanA24 wrote:Deadline extended till Saturday 29th March 9.00pm GMT. This is absolutely final and will hit whether or not Tlp is replaced.
Please stop directing any possible doctor or RB in this game. Let them figure it out.
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Appeal to Emotion.WhoMe? wrote:Can someone explain to me why we need a deadline extension? What more are we trying to wring from the crushed sponge that is Day 1? We have found scum, of that I am certain. Surely we are not considering accepting his "I'll kill who you say" deal? Can we lynch killa7 already?Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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are you kidding me? this game is my favourite game atm, and i have the shittest role ever. lolWhoMe? wrote:OK, though I can't see this game being a popular candidate to replace into! 49 pages and counting day 1!
IGMEOY: Whome?
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are you working for the prosecution now? roflkilla seven wrote:
you cant vig a power role if im dead.jackalbane wrote:
The general concensus is that killa's grave is already dug and ready for a final nail in the coffin. Now, we're discussing hopeful vig kills and an extension would give time to replace TLP so we aren't accidently vigging a power role or leaving scum to coast through.WhoMe? wrote:Can someone explain to me why we need a deadline extension? What more are we trying to wring from the crushed sponge that is Day 1? We have found scum, of that I am certain. Surely we are not considering accepting his "I'll kill who you say" deal? Can we lynch killa7 already?
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glad to hear it. This isnt anything personal-you seem like a really nice guy. Just the aim of the game is to kill scum, and sadly, thats what ur role pm said.
Who do you currently think is scum?
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Not necessarily. An Appeal to Emotion (or any other 'Appeals') can occur when a player is emotional about a particular end. In this case, you seem very very keen to see the day cut short in a Killa-lynch, to the point of over-stating it.WhoMe? wrote:
i thought an appeal to emotion was when someone was under pressure?Battle Mage wrote:
Appeal to Emotion.WhoMe? wrote:Can someone explain to me why we need a deadline extension? What more are we trying to wring from the crushed sponge that is Day 1? We have found scum, of that I am certain. Surely we are not considering accepting his "I'll kill who you say" deal? Can we lynch killa7 already?
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hey Xtoxm, nice to see ya.
Welcome to the greatest game!
But sadly now, its my role to tell,
that we all await your claim!
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Skitzer, you rock!skitzer wrote:
Edited for better rhyming properties.Battle Mage wrote:hey Xtoxm, we hope you're well,
Welcome to the greatest game!
But sadly now, its my role to tell,
that we all await your claim!Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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yeh but just coz hes now someone cool, it doesnt mean we can afford to let him off. Xtoxm has a similar meta to Rosso, and to some extent, myself, and is thus very hard to read, and its probably better that we assess him this way.Matt_S wrote:It must suck replacing into a game where everyone's ready to kill you.
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if neither Farside or Killa is lying, we dont have an SK.skitzer wrote:Well, it's avery slight possibilty, but...
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2 vigs (neither farside or killa is lying)
oh...that is 4. I can't count, still, I'd hope there is a doctor.
lol
back to 4 at most-probably 3.
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hmm its a tough claim. I mean, a vanilla claim is believable, and i cant see scum replacing into a game, knowing that they are about to get killed, is going to claim something that is likely to seal their coffin.
Time for a Lloyd-claim?
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would you rather we vigged him and found out for ourselves?
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whats that smiley for?Xtoxm wrote:Battle Mage wrote:would you rather we vigged him and found out for ourselves?
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100%Xtoxm wrote:How sure are we that killa is scum?
Farside if you're vig why didn't you just wait to NK him at night if you knew him to be lying?
I can see what you're saying, but this was not a circumstance where Farside had a gut feeling he was mafia, and it might have been a contentious decision. We know Killa is scum, and dont want to give him an extra NK (as he is probably the SK).
Furthermore, why do you think Lloyd is scum?
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what if he was a power role?Xtoxm wrote:I have no reason to believe he is scum a have not looked at a single of his posts yet.
It was more of a joke seeing as the alternative is me.
please give these jokes some more thought... 0.oShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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SK IS SCUM.killa seven wrote:
they dont, they think im the sk, but im a vigXtoxm wrote:How sure are we that killa is scum?
Farside if you're vig why didn't you just wait to NK him at night if you knew him to be lying?Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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*sigh* i agree with you Farside, but id feel happier seeing Killa lynched today, and Lloyd vigged tonight. That at least gives Xtoxm the chance to do something.
Lloyd, you should claim now.
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if u arent sure, its best Lloyd claims anyway.farside22 wrote:
I still didn't and don't care for TLP's deadline comments. Now Lloyd disappeared and didn't want an extension. It's like I want to flip a coin since neither is convincing me of their innocence.Battle Mage wrote:*sigh* i agree with you Farside, but id feel happier seeing Killa lynched today, and Lloyd vigged tonight. That at least gives Xtoxm the chance to do something.
Lloyd, you should claim now.
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rofl. If i had space, i'd sig that last comment. I shouldnt laugh though-you do raise a valid point. Can Lloyd be serious for long enough to actually help the town?Imat wrote:Woah, Killa, what did you mean by the role blocked comment? Did I miss a Mafia Roleblocker claiming or was this a slipup from you? I mean, it doesn't matter seeing as how the general consensus is for your lynch, but if you are Mafia and not a roleblocker this is very telling of what kind of roles your partners may have.
And I'm rather certain the viggee isn't a real role.
BMImat wrote:So far Lloyd has jokingly claimed as a Mason Miller and a viggee, going anywhere with these claims?Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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I started replying to this last night, but got distracted. Lets try again.
I dont suppose this has anything to do with the fact that i've been attacking you an awful lot recently. Are you 100% sure this isnt just pure OMGUS?Lloyd wrote:farside, what you seem to be asking, is that if i was in your position, what i would do.
if i was in your position, i would be trigger happy and shoot battle mage and see what happens. worse case, a miller is lost. best case, a scum is shot.
Here's a helpful timeline of events:
I claim Miller
Lloyd gives me his vote for the day (with the obvious assumption that he thinks i am town and will put it to good use).
I start saying Lloyd is scummy, and pose him some questions, which he doesnt answer.
I suggest him as a Vig target, and he continues to be evasive and lurk.
Now as day draws to a close, Lloyd suddenly pops up and attacks me, out of nowhere it seems.
Do you see the trouble im having buying this? You've completely U turned in the space of 1 or 2 nothing posts.
And i also dont understand your choice on a basic level. This is a pretty newbie heavy game in comparison to other large games. We lost some of the more experienced players on Night 0. Why would you want to eliminate more, ESPECIALLY 1 who has already been instrumental in nailing at least 1 scumbag!?
I'm one of the most active scumhunters here, and as we discussed earlier i believe, we should leave the more experienced, contributing players in the game a while, with the theory that the scum might be forced to start killing them off if they are town, and we dont waste lynches.
Woah Woah Woah, hold your horses!Lloyd wrote:
for what it's worth, i now think battle mage has a night power
You think i have a night power? Yet, just 1 sentence ago, you said:
I'm gonna ask this again, because i just cant get my head around it. If you think, for some inexplicable reason, i have a night power, DESPITE my claim, why the fuck would you suggest vigging me???Lloyd wrote: worse case, a miller is lost.
0.o
Had we not done that, we would not have been by any means sure of Killa being scum.Lloyd wrote: given him asking people to claim "not vig"
Erm, with a claimed Vig, who is almost certainly going to get killed tonight, it makes sense that he should be absolutely certain about his NK. Furthermore, given the amount of powerroles we have already lost, do you really want to risk losing more unnecessarily? More claims arent exactly going to hurt us at this stage. As you and TLP were the two most popular targets for NK, it makes sense for you two to claim, so we can further analyse your affiliation and value to the game.Lloyd wrote: then, upon finding two claimed vigs...asking xtoxm and i to claim
They were hardly breadcrumbs. The Pogroms were more subtle! 0.oLloyd wrote:then pointing out nemesis' breadcrumbs.
Yeh, oddly enough i dont intend to change my claim. Kinda a null-tell dontcha think?Lloyd wrote: it doesn't match up with his miller claim though. and yes, he'll continue to claim miller until he's lynched in this game...
I dont get what "doesnt match up to my miller claim".
Nothing you've pointed out so far is anything other than me attempting to scumhunt. It poses no relevance on my role whatsoever.
Oh and i dont think i mentioned earlier, but have you really thought this through?
I mean, if i was protown, but not a miller, wouldnt claiming miller be the dumbest thing in the world?
I mean, it casts instant suspicion on me, and i become the easiest mislynch ever. Its suicidal as a townie! As a power role, it is damn well game-wrecking. Saying i'd do something like that is not only the height of idiocy, but its downright insulting.
Quick question: anyone else seen a protown role called 'viggee'?Lloyd wrote:
anyhow, i claimed viggee. you should make up your opinion / position about who you want to shoot. it's your prerogative.
If not, who votes for Lynch all Liars?
If this is a serious claim, please go into as much detail about the specifics your role as possible. and claim who you targetted last night please.Lloyd wrote: on a completely unrelated note, being a bus driver in mafia games is fun.
Gee, this nearly brought a tear to me eye. Unfortunately, the fact that you are thanking unconfirmed players, with no comment on whether they are scum or not, is in itself, a slip methinks.Lloyd wrote:Original Roll String: 1d25(STATIC) 1 25-Sided Dice: (10) = 10---Original Roll String: 1d25(STATIC) 1 25-Sided Dice: (3) = 3
sweatpantsninja, i appreciate your defenses, but i try to play each game differently, regardless of my alignment.
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armlx, thanks for your defense and in modding random mafia 2, that was fun!
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toaster strudel, likewise, thanks for your defense about my null tells, but you typically defending people who are being attacked - that's your null tell
Rofl. Again, someone hasnt been paying attention. Why would i want to hammer Killa Seven before the deadline, dimwit?Lloyd wrote: battle mage, having fun with your double-vote? maybe you can convince undecided to proxy votes to you, so you can hammer killa seven right before the deadline
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In case you didnt realise, i'm a miller. I dont get to do much at night. As such, it kinda makes sense for me to try and hunt scum during the day, no?Lloyd wrote:battle mage, how come so many claim requests today?
anyone else you want to ask to claim, but haven't asked yet?
just remembered that you also asked matt to claim earlier.Battle Mage wrote:Still waiting on Matt's claim.
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In that case, i want an explanation from you, as well as Lloyd.armlx wrote:
I agree with this. The day I want BM dead by changed from a generous 6 to 4 after that.Lloyd wrote: then pointing out nemesis' breadcrumbs. it doesn't match up with his miller claim though. and yes, he'll continue to claim miller until he's lynched in this game...
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no, i'm a SUPER-MILLER. I'm actually a MillerDocMasonCopRoleblockerWatcherTrackerJailkeeperHider. Oh and did i mention i'm also unNKable, and in order to keep things interesting, i have a 3-shot SuperSaint ability, which means the first 3 people to hammer me die, and i only die on the third attempt.Toaster Strudel wrote:I don't like millers, especially when they are just plain millers. Is BM ONLY a miller? If so, I'd like him gone a lot faster than armlx does.
You do make me chuckle TS. And the hypocrisy is irresistable.
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No, i believe Xtoxm is referring to the opportunistic way in which you hopped on Lloyds craplogic in order to send suspicion my way. Just thought i'd mention that, before you get too high and mighty with the new kid.armlx wrote:
You apparently missed the 20 pages where I argued this point before getting other people to realize BM can NOT survive to the end of the game.Xtoxm wrote:FOS those 2 trying to get rid of BM like that.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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I do recall that is correct.Nemesis wrote:
This is because WIFOM is fun. I'm sure BM said claiming vanilla townie was like sealing your own coffin... Or something of that nature.Peers wrote:Oh, sure, you trust him when he says he's a vanilla townie... (
I did WHAT?Nemesis wrote:
This is obvious. He asked not to be roleblocker, a miller with no night actions wouldn't give a damn, would probably like to be roleblocked as it clears him of killing.Lloyd wrote:for what it's worth, i now think battle mage has a night power,
I believe ive already responded to this.Nemesis wrote: However, at the start of the game we were discussion whether BM was a miller and [insert powerrole here], it wouldn't be that unheard of to have a miller thief or something.
True.Nemesis wrote:
It's not certain there is, but BM claimed and no one countered.Xtoxm wrote:Well I haven't seen the claim, but to my experience miller's seem to be pretty come in these big type games, i'm sure there'll be one here.
Also BM did claim after the cop died, which makes him look a little better, although backup cops in games this large are not that unusual.
Again, i do not recall asking not to be RBed. I merely said that, with the possibility of a Doc, RBing an unclaimed player is a bad plan.Nemesis wrote:
I think we went over this earlier and he didn't feel like telling us.I don't like millers, especially when they are just plain millers. Is BM ONLY a miller? If so, I'd like him gone a lot faster than armlx does.
Although after calling me "obvious" and whatever else he did, he said the roleblocker should take no action and said he wouldn't like to be roleblocked. Thus he claimed a night action.
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As far as i can tell, Viggee is not Vig. lolskitzer wrote:Wait, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we have 3 claimed vigs now?
farside22
killa seven
Lloyd
They all claimed. Now if this is true, that means we would've had a possibility of 6 kills on the first night.
Mafia
SK
Cult
3 Vigs
Let me tell you something. Someone is lying.
FoS: killa seven
FoS: farside22
FoS: Lloyd
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I dont believe that Farside has declared such an approach, at least not with the intention of sticking to it. Its WIFOM as Nemesis has already pointed out. You are putting words into his mouth.Lloyd wrote:farside, your current approach of only vigging non-power-role-claimers will have 0% chance of vigging scum. Scums, knowing that, will claim power roles.
Is that including ridiculous breadcrumbs, and clearly bogus claims. Viggee? What are you smoking?Lloyd wrote:
I'm now against battle mage because his behavior has gotten 5 claims out on day 1.
Its called playing Mafia. Have you even read a full game on this site yet!?Lloyd wrote:
His motivation is suspicious for asking for multiple day 1 claims (including the "not vig" ones) and pointing out breadcrumbs.
If you had, you'd see that claims are an integral part of the game, and getting scummy people to claim is what we, as a town, do.
Pointing out breadcrumbs is a nulltell. If i was scum, i would have no reason to point out breadcrumbs, likewise as town.
And thats inherently bad, why exactly? 0.oLloyd wrote:
So far, we've had 3 deaths, 5 claims, that's 8 out of 30 people. At this rate, all 30 roles will be revealed / claimed by day 4.
No, mods design games so that early mass claims arent game-breaking. Ive modded games before in which a mass claim benefits the town. Who's to say this isnt one of them?Lloyd wrote:
If everyone end up being revealed / claiming by day 4, it will be in scums' interest, because mods typically design games so early mass claims benefit scums more than it would benefit town.
oh sorry, i forgot you were in charge here. I always get confused when scum tries to go uber-aggressive and take control of the undecideds.Lloyd wrote:
In summary, everyone...stop claiming and breadcrumbing (unless you are at lynch minus 1)...thanks!
Although i support the message about breadcrumbing.
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the irony is biting, it really is.Toaster Strudel wrote:At last! I found one game where armlx isn't scum.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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If Lloyd doesnt die tonight, you are off my christmas card list.farside22 wrote:@Lloyd: So you don't believe his claim even after the discussion on day one? I already agreed with you about his claim happy moments, but I don't believe he is the play tonight. You have given many people things to think about. I believe I too am ready for the night phase. I have made a my choice and feel I found many interesting things during these few days.
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Rosso, you are a ****ing dumbass. I think an explanation should be forthcoming.
In other news, no scum NK. Its possible that the RB blocked the NK, but im thinking this is unlikely at this point.
Farside, thanks for trusting me, i feel really bad about letting you down. -.-
But on the bright side, you're still alive
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i think Rosso might be claiming Cult Cop. Or at least i hope he is.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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