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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:28 am

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WARNING: TANGENTIAL RANT AHEAD.

I do not wish this to become a distraction to finding scums in this game, but I have to get something off my chest regarding general mafia theory.
Netopalils wrote:Unfortunately, there have not been enough games using the random question system to give a good statistical analysis. My initial research shows, though, that it has more often led to town victories. Most of the games that I have read in which the random question system leads to a mislynch are due to the town lynching the questioner for going against the established norm of the site. With more question games, this stigma would be alleviated.
Your initial research is bullshit. I don't want you to do this in-game, because it will ultimately serve as a huge distraction to actually finding scum, but after this game I'm going to make a thread. In said thread, I want you to explain how your observation of RQS vs RVS constitutes a valid analysis of a game which has literally dozens (and possibly hundreds) of variables. Are you really naive enough to believe that RQS vs RVS is the sole (or even a primary) cause of victory in Mafia?

Ultimately, the Random Whatever the Fuck You Want to Call it Stage is nothing more than an icebreaker. The RWFYWTCS is significantly LESS important than the pages immediately after RWFYWTCS. I don't care if it's RQS or RVS or Random-Theory-Discussion-Stage or anything else. But people don't find scum through the arbitrary start-of-game crap. They find scum through whatever comes AFTER the arbitrary start-of-game crap.


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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:30 am

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Damn, lost my post. Let's see if I can remember what I had:
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I'm getting better. Page 2 and I have 4 pretty solid reads. Neto and Mae as scum. Haylen and Saint as town.
*claps slowly* Way to go - Saint is voting your town read and Haylen is voting with you. Bravo, bravo.
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Netopalis wrote:But you understand my point, I take it? That RVS is not a good predictor of who is scum?
I disagree.
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Unvote: Haylen. Vote: Netlava.
Something about his post just rubbed me the wrong way...just kidding. My beef with Net is that he voted Maemuki for a very vague reason and for apologizing (obviously a nulltell). Feels opportunistic.
I can see that, but only if Mae is town (or we have multiple anti-town factions).
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:30 am

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Vote Count #2 of Day 1
(I need at least one top of page, dammit.)


Bogre (3) <-~ Gayle, Glork, Zachrulez
Maemuki (2) <-~ Netopalis, Netlava
Netopalis (2) <-~ Kmd4390, Haylen
SaintKerrigan (1) <-~ Bogre
Annachie (1) <-~ Maemuki
Netlava (1) <-~ SaintKerrigan

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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:32 am

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@ Kmd: Why not elaborate on your town reads? I have to say, I'm getting a little worried about you. I don't really see the point in most of the points against Neto (except maybe the random-voting despite disliking it), and your reason for making Mae a sure scum read isn't a good one.

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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:32 am

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Agreed, there is a lot more that goes into it. However, if we seek to improve D1 play (I just did a quick count of the mini normals, and the count is 17 scum lynched D1 compared to 35 town lynched D1 - not as bad as I thought, but hardly optimal), and given that there is one common thread - random voting - it seems that improving that area would probably improve D1 play in general.

SK: You meant to vote for me, not for Netlava, I think.

Bogre: Not at the moment. I would normally say that I think that a few people are being overeager to lynch based on questionable tells, but I've noticed that whenever I attack people for that, they're usually town, so I don't really feel that it's a good predictor.
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:32 am

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Glork wrote:WARNING: TANGENTIAL RANT AHEAD.

I do not wish this to become a distraction to finding scums in this game, but I have to get something off my chest regarding general mafia theory.
Netopalils wrote:Unfortunately, there have not been enough games using the random question system to give a good statistical analysis. My initial research shows, though, that it has more often led to town victories. Most of the games that I have read in which the random question system leads to a mislynch are due to the town lynching the questioner for going against the established norm of the site. With more question games, this stigma would be alleviated.
Your initial research is bullshit. I don't want you to do this in-game, because it will ultimately serve as a huge distraction to actually finding scum, but after this game I'm going to make a thread. In said thread, I want you to explain how your observation of RQS vs RVS constitutes a valid analysis of a game which has literally dozens (and possibly hundreds) of variables. Are you really naive enough to believe that RQS vs RVS is the sole (or even a primary) cause of victory in Mafia?

Ultimately, the Random Whatever the Fuck You Want to Call it Stage is nothing more than an icebreaker. The RWFYWTCS is significantly LESS important than the pages immediately after RWFYWTCS. I don't care if it's RQS or RVS or Random-Theory-Discussion-Stage or anything else. But people don't find scum through the arbitrary start-of-game crap. They find scum through whatever comes AFTER the arbitrary start-of-game crap.


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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:34 am

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Glork wrote:WARNING: TANGENTIAL RANT AHEAD.

I do not wish this to become a distraction to finding scums in this game, but I have to get something off my chest regarding general mafia theory.
Netopalils wrote:Unfortunately, there have not been enough games using the random question system to give a good statistical analysis. My initial research shows, though, that it has more often led to town victories. Most of the games that I have read in which the random question system leads to a mislynch are due to the town lynching the questioner for going against the established norm of the site. With more question games, this stigma would be alleviated.
Your initial research is bullshit. I don't want you to do this in-game, because it will ultimately serve as a huge distraction to actually finding scum, but after this game I'm going to make a thread. In said thread, I want you to explain how your observation of RQS vs RVS constitutes a valid analysis of a game which has literally dozens (and possibly hundreds) of variables. Are you really naive enough to believe that RQS vs RVS is the sole (or even a primary) cause of victory in Mafia?

Ultimately, the Random Whatever the Fuck You Want to Call it Stage is nothing more than an icebreaker. The RWFYWTCS is significantly LESS important than the pages immediately after RWFYWTCS. I don't care if it's RQS or RVS or Random-Theory-Discussion-Stage or anything else. But people don't find scum through the arbitrary start-of-game crap. They find scum through whatever comes AFTER the arbitrary start-of-game crap.


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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:35 am

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Sarcasm against your attacker is noted.
Don't worry, there's plenty more from where that came from. I might or might now use it though.
Not gonna lie, that's a weird thing to expect.
*nods* It is. But since Incog said so, I thought it would be better if I was on the safe side. But that's beside the point. Carry on!
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:35 am

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Glork wrote:That said, we should lynch Bogre.
I disagree.
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:36 am

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Netopalis wrote:
Glork wrote:That said, we should lynch Bogre.
I disagree.
That's because you'd rather ask silly questions than lynch scums.
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:36 am

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SaintKerrigan wrote:@ Kmd: Why not elaborate on your town reads? I have to say, I'm getting a little worried about you. I don't really see the point in most of the points against Neto (except maybe the random-voting despite disliking it), and your reason for making Mae a sure scum read isn't a good one.
I'm not elaborating on town reads because there's no reason to. The only reason I can think of off the top of my head is if I was defending you from a lynch, which right now, isn't something to worry about.

Neto seems to be changing his story and squiriming a little too much.

I was wrong on Mae.
Netopalis wrote:Agreed, there is a lot more that goes into it. However, if we seek to improve D1 play (I just did a quick count of the mini normals, and the count is 17 scum lynched D1 compared to 35 town lynched D1 - not as bad as I thought, but hardly optimal), and given that there is one common thread - random voting - it seems that improving that area would probably improve D1 play in general.
Enough theory talk.
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:36 am

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SK: Sorry, I had originally missed Netlava's vote for Maemuki - your vote is correctly placed based on your post.
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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:37 am

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Kmd4390 wrote:
Maemuki wrote: Well yeah. I'm known to be a lurker - if you didn't know that, you do now. I talked to Incog and he let me in as long as I didn't lurk. I thought it would be better if I was here for the start because of that.
Not gonna lie, that's a weird thing to expect. That you'd have to be here right at the start. It actually makes sense though with your reasoning.
She's mentioned that in every game I've played with her in, I think, so I don't think its anything beyond a disclaimer for her meta.
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:42 am

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Glork wrote:WARNING: TANGENTIAL RANT AHEAD.
I read that as Tagliatelli Rant, and thus was disappointed when I read your post :(

Why is Bogre the best lynch?
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:42 am

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Glork wrote:WARNING: TANGENTIAL RANT AHEAD.
I read that as Tagliatelli Rant, and thus was disappointed when I read your post :(

Why is Bogre the best lynch?
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:42 am

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@Kerrigan:

Don't think elaborating on town reads is good at this stage.

I also think spending too much time discussing if RVS is useful or not is worthless- it allows people to post things that look like content, look intellectual or whatever, without actually having to confront other players or respond to them.
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:43 am

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ohh FFS stupid white screen.
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:45 am

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Sweet, the site's back. Stupid fatal error thing. Catching up again.
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:46 am

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Dammit, Bogre.

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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:46 am

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I loved the irony there >.>
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:46 am

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Unvote, Vote: Netopalis
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:48 am

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She's mentioned that in every game I've played with her in, I think, so I don't think its anything beyond a disclaimer for her meta.
Actually people mention it before I do, or I need to bring it up for some reason. I wish I could go through a game without someone, anyone mentioning it.

Oh yay dice rolls, what do the numbers on the dice mean, Glork? Why did you use dice?
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:49 am

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Maemuki wrote: *nods* It is. But since Incog said so, I thought it would be better if I was on the safe side. But that's beside the point. Carry on!
Wait, did Incog say to be around for the start or was it your own idea?
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:49 am

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Maemuki wrote:
She's mentioned that in every game I've played with her in, I think, so I don't think its anything beyond a disclaimer for her meta.
Actually people mention it before I do, or I need to bring it up for some reason. I wish I could go through a game without someone, anyone mentioning it.

Oh yay dice rolls, what do the numbers on the dice mean, Glork? Why did you use dice?
I'm sure you can figure it out if you bother to read and think.
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:50 am

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Wait, did Incog say to be around for the start or was it your own idea?
My idea.
I'm sure you can figure it out if you bother to read and think.
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