Mafia 109 - A Glitch in time - Game Over!

camn · Post Post #1775 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 5:16 am

SpyreX wrote:Hunting for a vig that didn't "exist" hurt.

I breadcrumbed it hard enough... if anyone had bothered it was right there

Leafsnail · Post Post #1776 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 5:50 am

Huh... I'd say you generally need to be pretty careful balancing any setup where the scum doesn't get a regular nightkill. Basically because once the lynchpin of the scum is gone it becomes pretty damn hard for them to win (they can't eliminate obv townies or PRs even if they find them).

I mean... let's say Kmd was lynched before he was able to kill Dramonic. The town could then just NL every day and have dramonic scan absolutely everyone...

camn · Post Post #1777 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:52 am

I think that was just a N1 requirement, no?

Pulindar · Post Post #1778 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:53 am

That was fun!!

Anon, I'm so glad your name was first on the list of survivors when I ISOed. I just went alphabetically, and that meant you. I realized you were town and basically stuck with that knowledge.

SpyreX, Reck's vote was on me early in this last day. As soon as I voted you and decided not to move it you were going to be lynched. I knew Anon was town, and I knew Anon wouldn't vote Reck so I voted you.

I felt pretty bad about the Yos lynch, that was the only time my faith in Anon got shaken at all.

The KMD thing didn't sway me towards Anon, but rather made me question Reck.

Anyway, thanks Haylen for running this game.

camn · Post Post #1779 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:00 am

Thank YOU for replacing in and being so, so townie.

SpyreX · Post Post #1780 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:51 am

Huh... I'd say you generally need to be pretty careful balancing any setup where the scum doesn't get a regular nightkill. Basically because once the lynchpin of the scum is gone it becomes pretty damn hard for them to win (they can't eliminate obv townies or PRs even if they find them).

I mean... let's say Kmd was lynched before he was able to kill Dramonic. The town could then just NL every day and have dramonic scan absolutely everyone...

If KMD was lynched the "leadership" of the mafia would have passed to someone else alive. So, we should have had a regular night kill. We just weren't being awesome.

Leafsnail · Post Post #1781 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:01 am

Uh... why did you stop killing people, then?

Parama · Post Post #1782 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:02 am

Because 4-way MyLo is better for scum than 3-way LyLo.

Parama · Post Post #1783 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:04 am

One note:

Drippereth wrote:I dunno. There's a voice in my head. It says: "Kmd is scum, Kmd is scum, Kmd is scum.... lynch him!!!!!!!"

This voice is ALWAYS right. I know exactly what you're talking about with this, and it's never failed me yet.

SpyreX · Post Post #1784 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:05 am

For scum in the scenario where I had to defend being alive as the only PR left, yea.

Kmd4390 · Post Post #1785 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:35 am

I didn't realize there was no vig til the day had already started (sorry Spy). So drawing out the "vig" was pointless. I figured me getting lynch would basically confirm you (Spy) as town, so I tried to put up an almost believable fight with the intention of eventually being lynched. Too bad this town was good enough to lynch Spy anyway (which I just nom'd the town for a scummy based on)

Kmd4390 · Post Post #1786 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:37 am

Oh, and the double vote "claim" was a Gambit to make someone (Clergyhoops???) think they were lynched. I laughed my ass off when it got mentioned later in the game becuase I thought everyone realized it was fake after the fact.

camn · Post Post #1787 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:36 am

I was so annoyed when I found out you were scum, and I had NOT vigged you for once!

Pulindar · Post Post #1788 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:45 am

camn wrote:Thank YOU for replacing in and being so, so townie.

Thanks Camn, I gotta admit I didn't think I was going to survive the day I replaced in, I still don't know how it worked out.

Kmd, Thanks for the nomination.

Wow, my first town win and it gets nominated for a scummy.

Leafsnail · Post Post #1789 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:01 pm

Parama wrote:Because 4-way MyLo is better for scum than 3-way LyLo.

Even with obv townies floating about? I mean, you didn't have too much chance of lynching anon, right?

Anon · Post Post #1790 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:13 pm

Yosarian2 wrote:
Anon wrote:And yes that goes for you Yosarian2 and Reckoner. Take your mistakes like men.
Dude, you pushed through an absolutly horrible and illogical mislynch on me pretty much just because didn't like that I was attacking you, even though the reasons I was attacking you were completely logical. You really have no right to be telling anyone else to "take your mistakes like men".

Yosarian2 wrote:Of course SpyreX is quite clearly town now. There's no way a scum who wasn't a tracker would be able to come up with a long list of people who didn't target anyone on given nights without knowing what their roles are. He did it again last night, and you haven't claimed either

It's just really unlikely he'd try to pull something like that off as scum, even less likely he'd get away with it.

Yosarian2 wrote:In any case, if we're not lynching Anon today, then we're lynching Pulindar, because at least one of the two of them must be scum at this point.

Vote:Pulindar

Yosarian2 wrote:No, "one scum on the wagon" dosn't work, in general. Don't be dense. It only works here because the scum needed to try to lynch town power roles, since they can't kill them, and there is no way they would have missed the chance to do so twice, especially when they could have easily gotten away with it both times.

Dont be an arrogant prick. Learn from your mistakes.

Incognito · Post Post #1791 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:19 pm

Oh cool. This game finished.

Pulindar · Post Post #1792 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:53 pm

Leafsnail wrote:
Parama wrote:Because 4-way MyLo is better for scum than 3-way LyLo.
Even with obv townies floating about? I mean, you didn't have too much chance of lynching anon, right?

Anon was the person he went after.

Claimed Reck was obv town the day before.

Anon had a thing against him, and if Anon had died I would have suspected him.

I don't know why he didn't go after me?? Reck thought I was scum, especially since my play here was similar to my play when I was scum in Doll house (which just ended as well)

*shrugs*

Anon · Post Post #1793 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:05 pm

<3 Mastin.

Pulindar · Post Post #1794 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:42 pm

Anon wrote:<3 Mastin.

Totally not a Mastain Alt... LOL

Yosarian2 · Post Post #1795 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:39 pm

Anon wrote:
Dont be an arrogant prick. Learn from your mistakes.

Funny, that's pretty much what I was going to say to you.

And, no, I didn't think SypreX was town because of his role claim. I thought I knew his meta. Apparently I was wrong. Of course, "Yos thinks SpyreX is town, and I think SpyreX is scum, so I'm going to lynch Yos" is just a terrible reason to do anything, in any case.

camn · Post Post #1796 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:42 pm

I enjoyed playing with you, Yos. In this and the other one, which we just won, BTW ...

CSL · Post Post #1797 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:02 pm

SpyreX was scum the word over.

Camn, why did you kill me when I hammered one so obvscum?

camn · Post Post #1798 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:06 pm

You were a town liability, IIRC.
There was a lot of meta-talk re: you, and I thought it was a distraction at best... and you were actually lurkerscum at worst?

Actually.. I just ISO'd you.. and I would Vig you again

CSL · Post Post #1799 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:19 pm

Ah.

Well, you were obvtown from the get-go, and even if I were scum, you would still live past Night 1, just to keep my promise.