New York 116 - Prozacs Large Normal - Who won?

[petroleumjelly]

Not surprised by the result.

I'm rather annoyed with myself that I turned off the pressure on Tazaro. I read some of his completed games so I could decide if I thought he was really scum, and I came across a couple newbie games where you made some pretty obvious breadcrumbs as a town power role (like "spoonful of sugar" to claim Doctor, and "behind bars" to claim Cop), and then I saw similar posts in this game -- talk of being a "saint" and referencing "Mother Teresa." At first I thought "uh, there is no Saint role on this list," but then I thought that

maybe

, just maybe, he was actually a Bodyguard. Needless to say, the instant Lowell claimed on D3 (i.e., when I was dead), I would jumping up and down hoping the Town would lynch Tazaro. Alas. I think I am even more surprised that nobody (that I recall) pointed out the Benmage-Tazaro relationship after Benmage turned up dead and scum on D4. I mean, really? That was ultimately the entire basis of my attack against him.

Very frustrated with the Town in this game. The Wraith-lynch, I still proclaim, was just bad. Charlie just gave up. Lowell gave up. tubby216 said that "by giving up, he was fighting his lynch." Not likely to work when the Town has already lynched other townspeople who just roll over and die. Sigh. In the last Day of a game, I think each townsperson should have at least read over the game one final time -- you just might find something that puts you on the right track. I firmly believe that scum's best friend is the townsperson who does not reread, because then scum can never get caught for the stuff they

should

get caught for doing early in the game. It is always easier to discern intent once you know practically everybody's alignment, which is the case for a 3-player endgame.

Pre-Post Edit: No problem, Oso. As you can see, had you claimed your role-blocking target, we might have actually wheedled out AGar as the Serial Killer.

[Oso]

My main problem with the game (and I mean my play of it, not with the game itself) was that I over-thought it. A habit I thought I had left behind.

Don't want to disclaim any of my own responsibility for the loss but I wanted to say how much I hate the JK role in general and now in particular since I had to play as one. Had I been just a plain Doctor, there would have no real problems about claiming my targets. Like in the case of AGar. Did I save him? Or block him? At that point, there had been a single, one kill night. At that point, I had no clue if we were dealing with 3 scum, 4 scum or a combo of scum/SK.

Toog and Toon were acting so much like they were joined at the hip (or at least Toog was acting that way towards Toon) that I was seriously considering a 4 man scum team with 2 of that number setting up a mason claim while trying to not make any connections to their remaining 2 scum partners. In which case letting out that I protected AGar N1 would have been the best play. It would have cleared a townie. And I thought that was preciesly what was going on when I didn't die Night 2. AGar had to know he was blocked (unless both he and scum targeted Furcolow). My refusal to give my N1 target would have been tailor made for him to rid the game of me before I let that info out. I was the only claimed blocker type at that point.

That I lived through Night 2 and there was only a single kill then made me believe that he was most probably town. That is why I had no real hesitation giving my results at the start of Day 2. I was surprised as hell he was a killing role of any sort. And since Toog threw such a fit about me protecting him because of a supposed power I blocked, it made me start to think he was town (and by association Toon) so I went back and tried to find scum by the normal, non-PR methods.

By the time we had the Benmage/AGar crosskill, I was thoroughly confused.

[Tazaro]

There are reason(s) why this game may have been my favorite game out of all of my non-newbie games. One thing that is good was that I was scum, which was entertaining to me in this game. This was one of the most non-boring game threads that I have read imo.

[Oso]

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That I lived through Night 2 and there was only a single kill then made me believe that he was most probably town. That is why I had no real hesitation giving my results at the start of Day 2.
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That should read Night 2/Day3

[Benmage]

I thought I played a fairly decent game.

Funny crosskill, Agar, why me?? I was about to fake cop claim with guilty on Oso and go for the sweep .

Apathetic town = doomed.

Lynch lurkers like Stef.

I actually got a little nervous with the 2 successful lynches.

Lowell is still a useless slot.

[Toogeloo]

Apathetic town = doomed.

Lynch lurkers like Stef.

We kind of were, we just went the wrong way. Instead of Stef and Zorblag, we went with Lowell and tubby

[Charlie]

Well done mafia team. So, Zorblag, the pseudo-IC in this game, being alive in Lylo, turns out to be mafia. This validates my thinking about experienced/strong players being alive till the end are more likely to be mafia.

Town was playing very slowly. Mafia win was, IMHO, justified.

My 4 suspects before being lynched are 1 town bodyguard, 1 town mason, 1 mafia godfather and 1 serial killer. (Not including Benmage the mafia goon) I like that!

Time for me to test out/apply some theories and things learnt from this game!

[Zorblag]

@Charlie, I guess you should keep in mind that in this game I wasn't much of a presence for the first 3 days or so and then the last three nights the scum kills were largely dictated by the remaining town power roles. I think I would have said about the same things at the start of the game were I town (I believe everything that I said about the theory and I would have been pushing for the tubby216 lynch from about the time I got to it here) so I'm not particularly convinced that were I town the scum would have been all that likely to kill me.

You're also probably overrating my strength at the game; it's an easy sort of thing to overrate or underrate.

@petroleumjelly, it's probably worth noting that the only kill the serial killer got in this game was one on a mafia member (all the kills the mafia submitted went through and I don't know for sure but I suspect that AGar targeted Tazaro night two and was blocked by the mafia doctor.) Not outing and lynching him with Oso's information on day two probably put the town in a better position in this game (if it weren't for the cross-kill mafia might well have escaped with no deaths.) If he'd have been a vig that certainly would have been the case.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[AGar]

Funny crosskill, Agar, why me?? I was about to fake cop claim with guilty on Oso and go for the sweep .

I was killing players I didn't feel like playing with anymore. Swear to god.

N1 I targetted Benmage.
N2 Petroleumjelly.
N3 Benmage again.

SK is a shitty role lol. I always wanted to be SK, then this game and it was like "WTF yo?"

[AGar]

And to pre-empt the question: You two were posting too much.

[Mr.Sandman]

Bah, got it wrong

I enjoyed this game more than most I've played on here for some reason I can't put my finger on, despite the loss

[mothrax]

Shouldve gone with my gut.

[StrangerCoug]

It's over!