NY 117: The Vanillaside (Game over)

[Nachomamma8]

Who was the gunsmith?

[xRECKONERx]

...SERIOUSLY?

[Jack]

Who was the gunsmith?

We daycopped red and I redirected him to myself.

[DemonHybrid]

Socrates and VV were the gunsmith.

You guys forgot that you can vanillize and kill in the same night

[Jack]

Socrates and VV were the gunsmith.

shh, I was giving red some credit for being so town. He saved our team really.

[Nachomamma8]

well, this was a perfect ending to this game, at least

[xRECKONERx]

meh
good game, scum

[DemonHybrid]

Yeah, Red was our saving grace, god bless him

[Seraphim]

Game's over, good game, scum.

As to the town.

Fuck you.

Seriously, I went V/LA for less than a WEEK and you lynch me WITHOUT ANY SORT OF FUCKING CLAIM LET ALONE DEFENSE ON MY PART. Even if my V/LA had gone unannounced(I told Hoopla in the signup thread), you guys had plenty of time to at least wait for a FUCKING REPLACEMENT. I was enjoying this game immensely and you decide to lynch me. Fuck you guys, you definitely, definitely earned this loss, lynching your vig on day fucking one, basically killing two power roles on Day 1...utterly awful. I was expecting so much better from this town and was sorely disappointed.

Reck, I love you and shit, but this was horrendous play from you. I still love you though.

RedCoyote probably deserves some sort of scummy for securing this game for the scum back during Day 2.

[Hoopla]

Day 5, Vote Count #2

With seven alive, it takes

4

votes to lynch. Deadline is schedueled for 18:00 GMT, September 30th <Countdown>.

Nachomamma8 -

4

(RedCoyote, DemonHybrid, xRECKONERx, Jack)

Not voting -

3

(Ellibereth, Nachomamma8, SpyreX)

You have lynched

Nachomamma8

on Day 5. He was a

Vanilla Townie.

xRECKONERx

,

Ellibereth

,

SpyreX

have been endgamed on Day 5.

The mafia,

RedCoyote

,

Jack

and

DemonHybrid

have won the game. Congratulations!

[Seraphim]

Sorry if my post comes off a little harsh, I've been bottling that up since I found I got lynched.

[Jack]

Sorry if my post comes off a little harsh, I've been bottling that up since I found I got lynched.

If it makes you feel any better I was delighted.

[Seraphim]

I'm sure the scum team practically pissed their pants once I flipped.

[Hoopla]

Role PM's

(Nachomamma8, Fate, SpyreX, Ellibereth, MehPlusRawr, vezokpiraka, dramonic)

Vanilla Townie

Abilities:

N/A

Win Condition:

You win when all the mafia are eliminated, and there is at least one town-aligned player alive.

******************

(Super Smash Bros. Fan)

Town Tracker

Abilities:

Each night, you may choose to 'track' anyone of your choice, and you will see who they target (if anyone).
You will not be informed if your action is redirected.
You will be sent a new Vanilla Townie role PM if you target the 'Vanillizer'.
You do not have a gun

Win Condition:

You win when all the mafia are eliminated, and there is at least one town-aligned player alive.

******************

(VasudeVa)

Town Gunsmith

Abilities:

Each night, you may choose to investigate anyone of your choice, and you will see if your target has a gun or not.
You will not be informed if your action is redirected.
You will be sent a new Vanilla Townie role PM if you target the 'Vanillizer'.
You have a gun.

Win Condition:

You win when all the mafia are eliminated, and there is at least one town-aligned player alive.

******************

(Seraphim)

Town Vigilante

Abilities:

Each night, you may choose to shoot anyone of your choice.
You will not be informed if your action is redirected.
You will be sent a new Vanilla Townie role PM if you target the 'Vanillizer'.
You have a gun.

Win Condition:

You win when all the mafia are eliminated, and there is at least one town-aligned player alive.

******************

(xRECKONERx)

Town Innocent Child Vanillizer

Abilities:

At the start of the game, the mod will publically confirm you as town.
You are a triggered role. If any player's action targets you, you will turn them into either Vanilla Town or Mafia Goon (depending on their alignment).
All actions on you succeed while you simultaneously Vanillize that player.
Any player you 'Vanillize' will now flip their new role upon their death.
You will not be informed when someone has targetted you.
You do not have a gun.

Win Condition:

You win when all the mafia are eliminated, and there is at least one town-aligned player alive.

******************

(DemonHybrid)

Mafia Godfather Encryptor

Individual Abilities:

Your Encryption ability enables you and your scumteam to have Day Talking.
You do not have a gun.
If you become 'Vanillized' you will become a 'Mafia Goon' and will now have a gun. You will also lose Day Talking.

Group Abilities:

You have two partners, XXXXX (Mafia Day Role-Cop) and YYYYY (Mafia Redirector).
You have a group kill between you that can be performed at night by any one of your team members.
You have a Quicktopic for Day/Night Talking.

Win Condition:

You win when all the town are eliminated, and there is at least one mafia-aligned player alive.

******************

(RedCoyote)

Mafia Day Role-Cop

Individual Abilities:

During any Day Phase, you may choose to investigate any player in the game, and you will find out their role.
You will be sent investigation results via PM.
You cannot use your action during twilight or any time after the final hammer vote has been placed.
You have a gun.
If you become 'Vanillized' you will become a 'Mafia Goon' and lose your Role-Cop ability.

Group Abilities:

You have two partners, XXXXX (Mafia Godfather Encryptor) and YYYYY (Mafia Redirector).
You have a group kill between you that can be performed at night by any one of your team members.
You have a Quicktopic for Day/Night Talking.

Win Condition:

You win when all the town are eliminated, and there is at least one mafia-aligned player alive.

******************

(Jack)

Mafia Redirector

Individual Abilities:

Each night, you may choose to 'redirect' any player's action to any other player. For example, X is a Tracker and targets Y. You can choose to target X and 'redirect' her action to Z.
You have a gun.
If you become 'Vanillized' you will become a 'Mafia Goon' and lose your Redirection ability.
You will not lose your ability by redirecting

other

player's actions

to

the Vanillizer. But you will lose your ability if you target the Vanillizer directly.
You cannot submit the group kill

and

use your Redirect action in the same night.

Group Abilities:

You have two partners, XXXXX (Mafia Godfather Encryptor) and YYYYY (Mafia Day Role-Cop).
You have a group kill between you that can be performed at night by any one of your team members.
You have a Quicktopic for Day/Night Talking.

Win Condition:

You win when all the town are eliminated, and there is at least one mafia-aligned player alive.

[Jack]

Between that, ssbf's claim, and vezoks claim we had 2 pr's taken out from the start, and only 6 possibles for the gunsmith. We copped socrates day 2.

[Seraphim]

Yeah, I know. Real fantastic game for scum. I think I'm going to go nominate RedCoyote for that scummy.

[Hoopla]

Actions

Day 1:

RedCoyote investigates MehPlusRawr --> Vanilla

Night 1:

VasudeVa investigates SpyreX --> No Gun
RedCoyote kills Super Smash Bros. Fan
Jack redirects Nachomamma8 to xRECKONERx

Day 2:

RedCoyote investigates VasudeVa --> Gunsmith

Night 2:

VasudeVa investigates Jack --> Gun
DemonHybrid kills VasudeVa
Jack redirects VasudeVa to xRECKONERx (becomes vanillized)

Night 3:

Jack kills dramonic

Night 4:

DemonHybrid kills Fate

Quicktopics:

Mafia QT:

http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/htuec5DkRH8A

Green Room:

http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/a87TFG8uUvkS

[Mr. Flay]

I don't understand the decision to have a

public

Vanillizer and a Mafia Redirector. What did you expect Mafia to do except throw people into the Vanillizer's maw? Seems overpowered to me... not to take away from their win in any way.

[Seraphim]

Town could have always lynched the Vanillizer. I can't believe I can actually see where Korts was coming from with that, even if he was scum. The power of confirmed town wasn't even close to balancing the perfect fakeclaim for scum in LYLO.

[Hoopla]

I don't understand the decision to have a

public

Vanillizer and a Mafia Redirector. What did you expect Mafia to do except throw people into the Vanillizer's maw? Seems overpowered to me... not to take away from their win in any way.

That was mostly the point - my goal in crafting this game was to produce a truly open set-up (no multiple set-ups or X% chance of roles existing), yet still enable scum to be able to fakeclaim, or accuse town power roles of fakeclaiming by allowing them to remove information. Initially, I was going to have the Vanillizer hidden, but then it would have been very difficult for mafia to actually figure out who this role is, and then find a powerrole to redirect to the Vanillizer.

The concept of an Innocent Child Vanillizer was a good way to improve scums chances of producing a fakeclaim because it gave them one half of the two ingredients they needed (The ICV and a PR), whilst to kill the IC (which they would have needed to do at some point if it was a closer game) they'd have to lose one of their PR's which all sort of worked together, really. The role-cop finds the PR's, the Redirector diverts them to the Vanillizer, and the Encryptor allows scum to share these results and talk during the day. It also makes for an interesting Day 1 with potential talks of lynching the IC, which means it guarentees scum can't fakeclaim powerroles, which might have been an avenue worth looking down.

It might be worthwhile removing the Godfather aspect of the Encryptor role, because I agree, it felt mafia biased still - they didn't need this extra role. My reviewers (Yosarian mostly) were strong advocates for the Godfather role though, so I persisted with this. I also thought, giving the town two more players than the standard 3:9 mini normal would be enough to offset the mafia bias - as this gives town an extra mislynch and even a free vig kill without reducing the lynch count (though the vig dying D1 certainly didn't help town's cause).

xRECKONERx didn't utilise his power of being confirmed innocent

at all

. He played quite poorly and didn't give much attention to the game, which I think was a more significant pitfall for town than they realised. Confirmed townies who won't be killed for at least the first night or two have so much opportunity to influence the game and start wagons and basically run the show and put scum under pressure - but he did very little of it. What was even more damaging is town didn't get down to odd numbers until Night 4 - they needed that initial vig shot Night 1, even if it was on a townie, which would have made the IC more valuable because the pool for mislynches closes down slightly for scum.

[Socrates]

I SOOO wanted to replace back into this game once I had time available. Jack was obv scum. DH was too. I had Red coyote as scum the second he me made his first post upon replacing in, though I probably would have lynched Elli over him first.

The town should be embarrassed about the Seraph, MPR, and Vezo lynches. Particularly the Seraph one.

I don't feel the scum had any significant advantage over the town in terms of the setup, this town just played terribly and mislynched 4 times in a row. The only shifty thing I think is the fact that the vanilized power roles having no indication whatsoever that they were power. The mere presence of the Vanillizer and the redirector nerfs the power roles enough without also introducing uncertainty about whether or not the roles were alive. But even that was only a problem because the power roles were caught so quickly. so, eh. Also, my power was kinda pointless with 2 different false returns on it. I think it would be better as a normal cop so that you could at least be confident with one kind of result. I think that would be better than getting rid of the GF.

[Seraphim]

Yeah, a normal Cop would probably be better than the Gunsmith. I think this is worth running again in the near future in some variation.

[Hoopla]

That's a pretty good point about the cop - I don't mind that actually.

[Korts]

big props to Red. Thanks for saving the role and the scum, I'm not nearly interested enough these days to play a game for multiple weeks/months.

[Incognito]

Sorry that I ended up replacing out. I was way too busy to handle two games at once.

Korts was pretty obvious though. Never understood why nobody followed my vote.