NY 118 - BBM's Large Normal Mafia (Game!)

[singersigner]

Thanks for modding, BBM!! I think the set-up seemed pretty balanced with a role-blocker AND a godfather...though I'm not familiar with much else. I think that in larger games, the set-up can be a liiiittle more pro-town, considering it's so easy to get lost in translation. Mislynches are bound to occur. In all honesty, it's like throwing in a couple anti-town townies with the mafia, and you're golden.

Also, Kise, it would've been nice to breadcrumb your innocents before you died.

Oh, and Anti, I think you could've been pro-town as much as anyone, considering you still needed to beat Mafia. I wouldn't exactly condsider SK anti-town...that's just the win condition.

[evilpacman18]

I want a "Best ________" badge How do I get those?

[Flameaxe]

Btw BBM thanks for letting me join, even with your inital skepticism. I really appreciate it considering this was so fun.

And thanks for proving my skepticism wrong.

[Flameaxe]

And @Benmage: 1:3 antitown:protown ratio is what I mean by that, so essentially 25%.

[Antihero]

Reading the Mafia QT:

1) Damn, I've never seen anyone post WoTs in a QT until @.@
2) Demonhybrid on N2 in the QT:

Let's keep the SK alive for a while if we ever do find out who he is; he can help us kill town twice as fast.

[Flameaxe]

This has to be one of the best modding jobs I've ever seen. BBM was always on time w/ votecounts, prods, acknowledged night actions, and in general kept the game running very smoothly; considering this is a large game, I think BBM deserves kudos for that.

As I said when you told me this in a PM, I do greatly appreciate your comment.

[evilpacman18]

Reading the Mafia QT:

1) Damn, I've never seen anyone post WoTs in a QT until @.@
2) Demonhybrid on N2 in the QT:

Let's keep the SK alive for a while if we ever do find out who he is; he can help us kill town twice as fast.

That would have been helpful if we had any idea it was you.

MAN WHY'D YOU HAVE TO KILL ME MAAAAAAAAAAN

[DemonHybrid]

Reading the Mafia QT:

1) Damn, I've never seen anyone post WoTs in a QT until @.@
2) Demonhybrid on N2 in the QT:

Let's keep the SK alive for a while if we ever do find out who he is; he can help us kill town twice as fast.

Yeah haha

You....uh...you were a tool all along...yeah.. ._.

[DemonHybrid]

...a tool that raped us..

[flinter]

(evil, you couldn't win with Anti in the game. If you had been alive here, we would have to choose to lynch the SK... which we wouldn't. (because Wraith was the only one who seriously thought that a 4 player scumteam was possible).

If anyone, Anti should have won this. (and you played well. You only were unlucky, the rest of your play was fine. Don't be too harsh on yourself )

[evilpacman18]

Actually Ether just said that... they... would have voted Anti. So with my vote, Ether's, and Wraith's on Anti, I would have won.

[evilpacman18]

Kinda depended on who Anti killed.

[Antihero]

Actually Ether just said that... they... would have voted Anti. So with my vote, Ether's, and Wraith's on Anti, I would have won.

This. I was convinced Ether was the last scum. flinter was willing to let me win, and Wraith came off as indifferent (also more likely to let me win), that led me to kill EPM.

[Shanba]

Good game. Slow burning, but really took off towards the end - I found days 1, 2 and actually 3 as well fairly stupid. It was only actually when we were down to about 12 players that I started to enjoy myself. I maintain that we spent far too much effort going after players playing badly (furcolow, wraith, robbnva) and not nearly enough going after players acting scummy. Of course, my scumhunting was pretty innocuous this game too, so I can't really spout my mouth off to much on that - and I was seecond guessing myself on wraith (found his buddying on me fairly unnerving).

I was suckered in by pacman and DH. Both benefitted from a good start from their predecessors, but both held it together well. The scum were good enough that I couldn't tell them apart from the massed town, and that's generally good enough to win.

I honestly feel antihero's claim was a mistake. I feel for him though. I've been sk once - I lost in lylo after picking the wrong target to kill (4 alive, 1 mafia, we both killed the same guy and I was bulletproof). That was in a 12p game and it hurt. I can't imagine what it must feel like in a large. To be so close, and yet so far! Especially after the excellent job with the nightkills.

Town pulled out a fairly undeserved win in the end. We were always behind the curve. I don't think any of the scum except dana came under any serious pressure until endgame - they were simply eviscerated by the sk.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a hat to eat. And socks. And trousers. And a street to run down naked.

[Antihero]

The reason I claimed was because I thought mafia was going to claim SK in the endgame and try to AtE the town into letting him win.

[evilpacman18]

Town pulled out a fairly undeserved win in the end.

QFT

[Benmage]

You newschool whippersnappers get waaaaay too worked up about cops. Watchers, PGOs and SKs are the cool roles to hate.

I'm new school....

You can play an amazing scum game and get f'd over by any VI lucky to roll cop. Cop is no fun.

[Benmage]

I don't think any of the scum except dana came under any serious pressure until endgame - they were simply eviscerated by the sk..

lol

And @Benmage: 1:3 antitown:protown ratio is what I mean by that, so essentially 25%.

Ah gotchya.

[Ether]

Yeah, Antihero shouldn't have claimed there, and it would have been bad play for mafia to claim as well--when someone claims scum, you lynch them. Could have been messy for me to argue that in LyLo, since I was at the top of a couple people's lists.

I still think the idea that I was scum because I was giving DemonHybrid a free pass when I had

just replaced in

was silly. (Of course, process of elimination and Eek being a filthy lurker were both excellent reasons to suspect me.)

You need to be on somebody's radar to get caught by a cop in the first place. Main thing I dislike about them is that there's no way to argue out of a guilty once it's on you, but introducing framers to the meta punishes play that is currently optimal. It's messy.

[Benmage]

You need to be on somebody's radar to get caught by a cop in the first place. Main thing I dislike about them is that there's no way to argue out of a guilty once it's on you, but introducing framers to the meta punishes play that is currently optimal. It's messy.

Mafia 100 Battle Mage investigates me for looking too town.

People tough to read are often investigated.

Yes, the inability to argue out of them is the root of all evil.

[Antihero]

Yeah, Antihero shouldn't have claimed there, and it would have been bad play for mafia to claim as well--when someone claims scum, you lynch them. Could have been messy for me to argue that in LyLo, since I was at the top of a couple people's lists.

Well, if I didn't claim, the endgame would've just been a huge AtE slapfight, which I don't have the energy for.

[danakillsu]

@ Benmage
Your post made me lol. Funny that everyone but you agrees that I managed to mess with their brains as caught scum.
@ Ether
Oh, trust me, it was all intentional. I've learned that anything I can make look like bussing OR buddying is good. Often it's the people I don't even mention that are my scumpals.

My specialty as scum really is getting caught immediately and staying alive forever while messing with the town's minds. Read Star Wars Mafia if you want proof.
Old Man Dana: "If it weren't for you, Antihero, I would have gotten away with it all!"
Antihero: "Screw you. Come on, Scoob, lets make the town win!"

[Antihero]

^lol

That's going in the sig.

[Wraith]

@Anti: In kingmaker I would have crowned you. No question. I think I made it pretty clear that the scumteam made some pretty poor kill decisions. Reading the quicktopic, the one thing they definitely got right was their keeping me alive for a mislynch, which was very viable all game.

As for me, my Day 1 and Day 6 play was pretty atrocious, but after that I think I did very well, especially my case agaist dana D3 and D4.

Evilpacman was the only scummer who had be entirely fooled. Nhammen might have too if he had lived longer. Benmage would have been lynched eventually, especially with all the lurking he was doing. I had DH pegged on D6 and wanted to lynch him then (I think), but I don't think the town would have gone for it.

[Benmage]

@ Benmage
Your post made me lol. Funny that everyone but you agrees that I managed to mess with their brains as caught scum.

Whose everyone, only Anti said he bought the claim. Yes people are going to be hesitant about a cop claim. Regardless you only were in a position of spotlight because of your own shortcommings, and it was bound to end. Again your death was inevitable thus making your overall use pretty damn low.

My specialty as scum really is getting caught immediately and staying alive forever while messing with the town's minds. Read Star Wars Mafia if you want proof.

Town often has enough screwing with one another. Getting outted and managing to stay afloat for a few days isn't a path to victory. Optimal planning to surviving to endgame = success.