Mafia 119: MURDER AT HOTEL DEATH(GAME OVER)

[LimMePls]

^^This is what kept making me doubt Vollkan as scum. It made no sense to me that one of the neighbors would be scum and they wouldn't use their scum night kill N1 to eliminate the other neighbor and have full control over the JK ability. And if not N1, certainly N2 or even N3. It just didn't make sense to me.

[LimMePls]

^^ doesn't work so well when it becomes the first post of the next page.

[curiouskarmadog]

like I said in the game, vollkan is so hard to read...I was trying to find something, which is why i asked so many questions about want went on in the QT thread. if a gun was placed to head and I had to pick between LMP and vollkan, I would have picked LMP as scum....curious, was mafia worried about an SK at all?

[evilpacman18]

The whole game, vollkan was saying a lot but moving very little. It was like his posts arrived nowhere on purpose. That's how I knew he was scum. Too bad I was ignored the whole game. And I think even if vollkan was lynched, the outcome wouldn't have changed. Lew destroyed us.

[DemonHybrid]

I was back and forth on Pomegranate the whole time I was alive.

Ugh....

[LimMePls]

The whole game, vollkan was saying a lot but moving very little. It was like his posts arrived nowhere on purpose. That's how I knew he was scum. Too bad I was ignored the whole game. And I think even if vollkan was lynched, the outcome wouldn't have changed. Lew destroyed us.

You were ignored because you were manipulated into admitting that your case was a policy case. If you had responded to that argument with this, you might have had some ground to stand on. But when others said "Vollkan always plays like this" and you then said "Policy Lynch then?" you'd lost any credibility you had.

[lewarcher82]

The whole game, vollkan was saying a lot but moving very little. It was like his posts arrived nowhere on purpose. That's how I knew he was scum. Too bad I was ignored the whole game. And I think even if vollkan was lynched, the outcome wouldn't have changed. Lew destroyed us.

You were ignored because you were manipulated into admitting that your case was a policy case. If you had responded to that argument with this, you might have had some ground to stand on. But when others said "Vollkan always plays like this" and you then said "Policy Lynch then?" you'd lost any credibility you had.

That is correct: it became impossible to support a vollkan lynch, which I enjoyed very much, because it was vital for me to have a scum kill happening on the last night. And I was convinced of vollkan's scumminess as much as evilpacman18, perhaps even more. I based my whole strategy starting from day 4 on that.

[PranaDevil]

like I said in the game, vollkan is so hard to read...I was trying to find something, which is why i asked so many questions about want went on in the QT thread. if a gun was placed to head and I had to pick between LMP and vollkan, I would have picked LMP as scum....curious, was mafia worried about an SK at all?

We had no clue about a SK. We found out about it when we found out Vollkan was dead and the game was continuing.

Incidentally, as long as the other scums have no issue, I'm fine for showing the scum QT.

Any chance of seeing the neighbor ones?

[lewarcher82]

you find them all in the post by mod, in which he reveals the roles

[PranaDevil]

So I can... I need to pay closer attention next time.

I did love the end of the Vollkan/LMP one ^_^

[lewarcher82]

yeah that was brilliant

[vollkan]

vollkan town = dead in the first couple of days...got it, thats how I am reading you now buddy.

You know I'll just scream WIFOM about that

The whole game, vollkan was saying a lot but moving very little. It was like his posts arrived nowhere on purpose. That's how I knew he was scum. Too bad I was ignored the whole game. And I think even if vollkan was lynched, the outcome wouldn't have changed. Lew destroyed us.

There's such a thing as being right for the wrong reasons.

In almost every game I am in, regardless of alignment, at least one person will attack me for "saying a lot, but doing very little". It's just how I play: I think all towntells are crap; I think most scumtells are crap; and it takes a lot of talking for me to be comfortable with a scumtell.

yeah that was brilliant

It's the first time I've ever been able to say to tell a townie in advance that I'm going to kill them

[lewarcher82]

wait a sec, I won as SK against two scummy-awarded players? you should nominate me for the best replacement LoL

kidding, dun worry

[DemonHybrid]

Don't worry, lewarcher, I got your back. 3 scummy noms.

[Nero Cain]

excellent game Lew

[lewarcher82]

omg, I was really joking, but thanks, I am overwhelmed
besides, Pom had made an excellent job, so I had a good advantage

[Jack]

Pom was scummy.

[Seraphim]

Thought you guys might be interested in seeing the "versions" of the setup that I went through...I'm not sure when I decided that I was going to run the shared neighborhood setup instead of my original idea, but it certainly made the setup a good deal more interesting.

18 players

Town

x1 Town Odd-Night Vig
x1 Town Gunsmith
x1 Town Jailkeeper
x1 Town Bodyguard
x2 Town Masons
x1 FBI Agent(serial killer finder)

x6 Vanilla Town


Mafia
x1 Mafia Roleblocker
x1 Mafia Goon
x1 Mafia Watcher
x1 Mafia Investigation-Immune Godfather


Third Party
x1 NK-Immune Even-Night Serial Killer

2ND DRAFT

18 players

Town

x2 Town Neighbors
x1 Neighbors w/ shared kill(MOD NOTE: One neighbor is the SK below)
x1 Town Jailkeeper
x1 Town Tracker
x2 Town Masons w/ shared Gunsmith

x6 Vanilla Town


Mafia
x2 Mafia Goon
x1 Mafia Watcher
x1 Mafia Investigation-Immune Godfather


Third Party
x1 NK-Immune Neighbor Serial Killer w/ shared kill

3RD DRAFT

18 players

Town

x2 Town Neighbors w/ shared one-shot CPR Doc(OR Krankenhaus Neighborhood)
x1 Town Neighbor w/ shared kill(OR Shawshank Neighborhood)
x1 Town Neighbor w/ shared Jailkeeper(OR Alcatraz Neighborhood)
x1 Town Hider
x1 Town Tracker
x1 Town Gunsmith

x6 Vanilla Town


Mafia
x1 Sombra Mafia Neighbor w/ shared Jailkeeper(OR Alcatraz Neighborhood)
x1 Sombra Mafia Goon
x1 Sombra Mafia Watcher
x1 Sombra Mafia Investigation-Immune Godfather


Third Party
x1 Bulletproof Neighbor Serial Killer w/ shared kill(OR Shawshank Neighborhood)


So, obviously, the new plan became to mess with the meta involving neighborhoods while also actually making it interesting to be in a neighborhood. I know there have been far too many instances where the quicktopic was never used, even for masons, so I decided to make it more interesting by giving them shared powers. Investigative were right out as they are broken for shared powers...far too easy for them to confirm each other. So, they all ended up single roles. A Gunsmith(because cops are lame), a Tracker, and a Hider, along with a jailkeep that could be scum-manipulated, a kill that ended up becoming an SK, and a one-shot kill/protect...I don't think anyone could say that town was overpowered in this game.

I have to give congrats to Lewarcher for winning a game as SK that most of the reviewers thought was an impossible situation for the SK to make the kills he needed to, which was easily proven wrong. I seconded all of those noms, very well played.

Vollkan pretty much had an impossible situation but Lewarcher made the right kill and that's unfortunate. Vollkan's performance was one of the best scum performances I have seen in a while.

Town played decently on the whole but those quick votes in LYLO is what loses games.

I think I have accomplished my goal...a game with an interesting day game for fun scum hunts and a game with lots of power roles to keep players more invested. With more free time, I expect to run more such setups in the future(and hopefully finish modding them...I seriously regret having to abandon this one).

[DemonHybrid]

Pom was scummy.

Yes, she was.

[ReaperCharlie]

Looks like this was a great game. Congrats to lewarcher!

[Pomegranate]

guys, everyone played great... if vollkan were lynched earlier, it would have been harder ro convince everyone that in my neighborhood we were both town. On the other hand, I think that mafia made a big mistake killing the tracker (meaning they knew he was not jailed)... If I were you, I would have killed LMP on night3, and then I would have denied to be a jailer... that could have been a nice wifom...

well, anyway, a third pary win deserves a:

YEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!

@mod: I think that CKD and LMP deserve the title of "best town" ex aequo.

I congratulate you greatly. Brilliant play, lewarcher!

I recall playing with you once before (though I can't remember the game). I think you were basically a newbie then; it was a long time ago. I think you've improved greatly since then.

I really didn't want to replace out, but schoolwork was just too much for me, and I was quickly falling behind this game due to its size. I agree that I was scummy, but I like to think that I contributed to your win, at least minimally.

I'm not sure why zwets never gave me any trouble, but I tried to use it to my advantage. I was thrilled when he didn't care about who I killed, and when he died shortly thereafter it became a non issue.



Great job Lew. Superspecialawesome!

[lewarcher82]

Thanks Pom, yeah, we played together a long time ago, I remember that. I was new, it was one of my first games, I think I was a VT and I was scummy as hell LoL

[Pomegranate]

It was this game- https://www.mafiascum.net/archive/viewt ... 0#p1848462. It was my first game as scum, and we (the scum) managed to lose very badly.

Hopefully we'll play together sometime in the future, though.

[lewarcher82]

oooh, right, it was my very first game, I was not scum, tho

[lewarcher82]

huh, guys: I nominated Coyote and Sera for the best flavor scummy... I really think this game was wonderfully written. If someone cares for seconding it, I think they deserve. Last post by lew: thanks everyone for the fun and interesting game.