There Will Be Bloodshed (Game Over)

[Romanus]

Not sure where to go here. The most recent scummy behavior is from C-Worl, getting very very defensive about a confirmed townie voting him. It was 2 votes, but still.

I have tunneled on Silver, and need to expand my search a bit. Waiting for an official vote count before I move my vote. But it's probably going to C-Worl.

unvote

[Pine]

@Rom: Care to comment on my appraisal of your motives?

[evilpacman18]

Still haven't lynched Wraith? I bet I'm gonna read the last 20 pages and not see one reason why we haven't. Let's do this.

[Wraith]

Still haven't lynched Wraith? I bet I'm gonna read the last 20 pages and not see one reason why we haven't. Let's do this.

Let's look at your fantastic contributions to that case.

vote: Pine

Wraith is probably scum.

This, which came a week out of absolutely nowhere. Where you in fact vote for someone else despite thinking me scum. I guess the Pine-wagon was a-rolling-rolling.

Why is nobody mentioning Wraith?

Why is evilpacman not making a case on Wraith but pushing his lynch?

Still haven't lynched Wraith? I bet I'm gonna read the last 20 pages and not see one reason why we haven't. Let's do this.

Still pushing the Wraith wagon? I bet I'm gonna read the last 20 pages and not see one reason why evilpacman thinks we should. Let's do this.

[Pine]

Easiest, simplest reasons we haven't lynched Wraith:

1) Not everyone is onboard, though most people have some serious suspicions at least
2) How would a second day of quickhammering (in a row) be helpful to Town? We haven't gotten ANY scum yet, and giving up the opportunity to find Wraith's scumbuddies (and give them time to slip and reveal themselves) would be ludicrous.

For my part, your eagerness to speedlynch makes me think reason #2 just bore fruit.

HOS: EPM

[silverbullet999]

EPM = biggest contributor in all of mafiascum history

hiraki has dies too recently no?

[GreyICE]

I have big assignments due Thursday and Friday. I'm gonna call V/LA till Friday night or Saturday. I'll catch up then.

Still haven't lynched Wraith? I bet I'm gonna read the last 20 pages and not see one reason why we haven't. Let's do this.

NICE CATCHUP

I want Romanus dead because that's a real wagon, but I have ONE reason why I wouldn't lynch Wraith, besides that.

[silverbullet999]

ya know what... i'm not bought about rom... butt.... I think this is more important

VOTE: EvilPacman

[Hiraki]

I'll admit I haven't been as active as I should be in this game, however, EPM is not a viable lynch for me.

I've played with him on other sites and this is normal for him. I know this seems even more and more like Friend, but seriously. EPM doesn't die today.

I need a re-read pl0x, so expect something in the near future.

[diddin]

Well either way the argument was over by the time you posted. Also, I posted my scum reads (as per your request) in Hiraki, Calcifer, and Silver. But I'm a give and take type of guy so what reads do you have diddin and why? Also, if you have any thoughts on my suspicions they're more than welcome.

I think you, Pine, and EPM are scum. I'll outline it all later when I have more time.

[silverbullet999]

is plox a cool trendy way to say please?

[evilpacman18]

Easiest, simplest reasons we haven't lynched Wraith:

1) Not everyone is onboard, though most people have some serious suspicions at least
2) How would a second day of quickhammering (in a row) be helpful to Town? We haven't gotten ANY scum yet, and giving up the opportunity to find Wraith's scumbuddies (and give them time to slip and reveal themselves) would be ludicrous.

For my part, your eagerness to speedlynch makes me think reason #2 just bore fruit.

HOS: EPM

Eagerness to speedlynch? It's been long enough.

[Pine]

3 days plus a little over 5.5 hours, and 135 posts, totaling about four sentences from you. That's "enough"?

[Hiraki]

Hmmzorz.

Mod: Votals

[evilpacman18]

Going from beginning of Day 2 until now.

Double Vote: Pine

discuss

Oh, diddin

Vote: Calcifer

Die.

I have a post written up from the Night on Word, but I can't access it now. It'll show Calicifer scum.

Looking forward to this quite a bit.

VOTE: Parama
Not OMGUS. Parama's been at or near the top of my list for a while now, and you can add wagoning to the list of reasons.
My original points against him: Link

Yeah. This is way too much. I doubt anybody would have called it OMGUS even if you had just left it with "vote: Parama." Excessive defending is the easiest way to catch scum.

If Jerbs is scum Calc is scum and Pine is town. Although that won't matter because Pine will die before Jerbs. If Pine is scum Jerbs is town and Calc gets off the scum by association list at least.

I like Romanus.

Pine vs. Parama is annoying.

do you honestly think that he thought he could get away with making someone call themselves scummy?

Thank you!

Go look at the player list. We forgetting anyone who SHOULD be in this game?

vote: Pine

Wraith is probably scum.

Vote: EvilPacman18

Short list of people I'm starting to forget are in this game:
Antihero (Previously Cookie_Of_Death)
Empking
diddin
ConfidAnon
Jerbs
Wraith

*sigh*

I see an explanation for the Calcifer/Pine thing, but I'm gonna wait for a bit. At the moment, Pine is town to me.

I have some other thoughts, but this Pine wagon is terrible, and I wanna hear from other people. And why you're voting for Pine over Pacman is like... durr, wazzut?

I don't understand

@EMP - Can't you make your own determinations on what a voting pattern suggests? I think Calcifer was more than abundantly clear about what it suggested and why it suggested it.

This is just active Lurking. And really not even that active. More like doing enough to avoid a prod. Please contribute something other than asking questions that have already been answered, please.

I actually really like voting patterns and I'm a big fan of 3rd and 4th vote = likely scum. Parama I think is town but it definitely works for Wraith, being 4th on both wagons.

And to everybody, I really wanna play. I wish my inactivity could be helped, but... I mean I'm a freshman music major for Christ's sake. I have a lot to do. When I do post content I do my best to make it thorough (like now).

I'm still working on the wall. But a tl;dr of what the wall will be?

I'm so convinced Pine is town, that I swear,

if Pine is scum,

I will retire from Mafia

forever

under the name of Mastin--that's right; I'm so confident that if I am wrong,

I will NEVER make another post, not in a game, not even in MD, completely abandoning the site for an eternity

. I'm dead-serious.
Who here is that sure Pine is scum?
'Cause I'm that sure, THAT confident, that Pine is town. And will write the Wall to prove it, too.

Enlighten us. Please.

At a gut level, Calc's "Pine is town or I'm done" post feels like a REALLY unique scum gambit. I can't explain it.

Why is nobody mentioning Wraith?

Yeah. Embarrassing.

silver vs. Romanus is much more interesting. Probably town v. town though.

C-Worl is looking noob-townish.

Why is nobody mentioning Wraith?

Come in.

Look where my vote is.

Look if the poster has made any recent posts.

And we're running up a wagon on Jerbs for lack of content.

Jerbs is bad, but what the hell is this? If I had to guess, he's positioning himself so a buddy's scumflip might give him SOME town points, because certainly nothing he's done the entire game will give him any.

I'd like Jerbs to claim, if I'm not getting my Pacman lynch.

Seriously, Pie, Fugi, Nacho, am I the ONLY ONE reading this this way?

There's a point where lurking is a scumtell. I don't think I'm in that point. I'm not even lurking first of all, I'm just out. I think that's why you're having trouble getting people to pay attention too.

How is Evil town? I think you is smoking the good stuff.

Last game I was in he was 10x as town as this. He was serial killer.

Which is basically town when you're NK immune, and we lynched him but good, but he was the strongest town read I had in the game. He contributed and did interesting things and thought hard. I think he's avoiding me and this.

Ah. It's all explained. Meta. Yeah. I mean I doubt you care about the exact reasons in my life but I have less time now than I did for that game (there's a girl), plus it was way easier to keep up with and a friend was modding it.

I feel like Wraith is trying to make himself look town by swimming upstream and opposing Calc.

I changed my mind. EPM dies tomorrow.

Ahaha. I didn't realize how bad my timing for posting this was. I hadn't read a thing.


Rom is town OMGUSing. It's a real thing.

nhammen is hard to read. Probably for the same reason I might be hard to read. Also he's possibly scum.

Ice is tunneling on nothing at all. I don't like it.

3 days plus a little over 5.5 hours, and 135 posts, totaling about four sentences from you. That's "enough"?

Hi, misrep.

Alright well I skimmed the last 4 pages but read all of it before then. It's 4 in the morning and I was done with homework at 2:30. I really do wanna play this game. I'll try to continue in a more acceptable fashion but trying to get in 6-8 hours of piano practice a day, 8 classes, seeing this girl I'm interested in, and Red Dead Redemption, it's not easy. I can't remember the last time I ate more than one meal in a day. I don't have time for ANYTHING unless I accept VERY little sleep. Sorry. If you have questions or want my opinion on stuff I haven't mentioned I'll be glad to answer.

Scum: Wraith, Jerbs, nhammen, silverbullet (I can explain this), random fifth person who I probably won't see coming at all if there even is 5 scum.

unvote, vote: Wraith

[GreyICE]

You think parama is town? Any more amazing observations for us?

[silverbullet999]

I like that mescum is the only one that can be explained.

[IceyCupcake]

You think parama is town? Any more amazing observations for us?

I mean seriously, the more I look at the post the more I realize how bad it is.

Scum: Wraith,

Jerbs

, nhammen, silverbullet (I can explain this), random fifth person who I probably won't see coming at all if there even is 5 scum.

It's miserable. It's literally like "well, better make a wallpost to stop my lynch."

Also Romanus is scum.

[silverbullet999]

Also noticed something else... he's assuming there are exactly 5 people on the scum team. how?

[silverbullet999]

eh scratch that, for some reason I missed the if there even is.

[evilpacman18]

Scum: Wraith,

Jerbs

, nhammen, silverbullet (I can explain this), random fifth person who I probably won't see coming at all if there even is 5 scum.

It's miserable. It's literally like "well, better make a wallpost to stop my lynch."

Fuck...

Yeah I have no excuse. Wait. Maybe I do. Will you accept "it was 3:30 AM" as one?

[Calcifer]

Have we gotten past the policy voting, yet? It looks like a lot of us have, but we're not quite to the point where everyone's opened their eyes and actually done scum hunting instead of policy-lynching.

Please don't lynch Evil. Nacho's supposed to explain to you why he's town.
And please don't lynch Pine. This goes beyond gut, goes beyond the strength of any read I've ever made before, that he's town. Not only that, but the Parama kill was blatantly-obviously an attempt to frame Pine, if you couldn't tell, and I know what Pine as scum would've done--killing Parama wasn't scum-Pine. The reason why is quite simple:
Pine-Scum would want to kill the person most pro-town. Parama had a serious wagon attempt on him--in fact, Pine was advocating that Parama was scum. Scum-Pine would

never

kill the person they were attempting to lynch.

This is by far not the only evidence I have, but I am working on the Pine Wall to prove he is town and give more than just a few weak reasons as to why Pine's town. But it's time-consuming due to how detailed it is, and when I say I'm making a wall, I'm going all-out and making a wall which'll conclusively prove Pine is town. It's simply incredibly time-consuming, which means patience will be required. It would be most inconvenient if you lynched him before then.

[Calcifer]

Wraith - 2 (Calcifer,

IceyCupcake

, Pine)
Pine - 1 (Empking)
Romanus - 1 (

IceyCupcake

, silverbullet999)
Calcifer - 1 (Wraith)
silverbullet999 - 1 (Romanus)

Votecount as of 35.

Wraith - 2 (Calcifer,

IceyCupcake

, Pine)
Pine - 3 (Empking, TwoHeadedBoy, C-Worl)
Romanus - 1 (silverbullet999)
Calcifer - 1 (Wraith)
silverbullet999 - 1 (Romanus)
TwoHeadedBoy - 1 (nhammen)

Votecount as of 36.

Wraith - 2 (Calcifer, Pine)
Pine - 5 (Empking, TwoHeadedBoy, C-Worl, Diddin x 2)
Romanus - 1 (silverbullet999)
Calcifer - 1 (Wraith)
silverbullet999 - 1 (Romanus)
TwoHeadedBoy - 1 (nhammen)

Votecount as of 37.

Wraith - 3 (Calcifer, Pine, ConfidAnon)
Pine - 3 (Empking, TwoHeadedBoy, C-Worl,

Diddin x 2

)
Romanus - 2 (silverbullet999, IceyCupcake)
Calcifer - 1 (Wraith)
silverbullet999 - 1 (Romanus)
TwoHeadedBoy - 1 (nhammen)
C-Worl - 2 (Diddin x 2)

Votecount as of 38.

Wraith - 3 (Calcifer, Pine, ConfidAnon)
Pine - 3 (Empking, TwoHeadedBoy,

C-Worl

)
Romanus - 2 (silverbullet999, IceyCupcake)
Calcifer - 1 (Wraith)
silverbullet999 - 1 (Romanus)
TwoHeadedBoy - 1 (nhammen)
C-Worl - 2 (Diddin x 2)

Votecount as of 39.

Wraith - 4 (Calcifer, Pine, ConfidAnon, evilpacman18)
Pine - 3 (Empking, TwoHeadedBoy)
Romanus - 1 (

silverbullet999

, IceyCupcake)
Calcifer - 1 (Wraith)
silverbullet999 - 0 (

Romanus

)
TwoHeadedBoy - 1 (nhammen)
C-Worl - 2 (Diddin x 2)
Evilpacman18 - 1 (silverbullet999)

Current Votecount.

8 to lynch. I'll tell you which wagons need to die, and give a brief reason as to why.

Evil:

He's still prob-town. It's

possible

he's scum, sure. But it's not probable. Nacho should elaborate on this.

C-Worl:

It's a newb-town/frustration wagon. C-worl's play is frustrating, sure, but it's town. C-worl's play is newbish, but we're not giving C-worl a newbie pass--we've actually read C-worl and what we saw was Newb-town, not newb-scum. Reading him, you'd find the same.

TwoHeadedBoy:

Worthless. TwoHeadedBoy is another case of a frustrated vote which needs to die. Is TwoHeadedBoy frustrating? Oh, heck yes. I'm hating Pie, myself. Is TwoHeadedBoy scum? No, I no longer believe so. (Mainly, since Fugi is far more rational.)

Pine:

There are so many reasons Pine is town, it's not even funny. I can't even select which are the most important, simply because there's just too many. This guy's a walking pile of town-tells. Some of the votes are serious, while others are from simple frustration.

Wagons which need a little more

:

Wraith:

I want a hardclaim. No softclaim junk. Seriously, what happened to the good ol' policy we used to have of running softclaims to L-1 and forcing them to hardclaim? I miss those days.

Romanus:

Pine made a case for Romanus being town, yeah, and [winger] had a few things which threw me into doubt, but I think that even if Romanus is town, he needs more pressure and another focus point other than silver. (That's assuming he is town, though--Romanus has a lot pointing to him being scum, too.)

[Slaxx]

OKAY

Hell week is over and I can finally catch up on this shit. My apologies.

[Calcifer]

Saved you the work of doing a votecount, though it's done in my style instead of yours.
(The strikethrough is to show what's changed from the last votecount. This is what it looks like without the strikes:
Wraith - 4 (Calcifer, Pine, ConfidAnon, evilpacman18)
Pine - 3 (Empking, TwoHeadedBoy)
Romanus - 1 (IceyCupcake)
Calcifer - 1 (Wraith)
TwoHeadedBoy - 1 (nhammen)
C-Worl - 2 (Diddin x 2)
Evilpacman18 - 1 (silverbullet999))