New York 138: OxyMoron Mafia :: Game Over!

[mastin2]

Oh, then?

I had a scumread on you and Evil.
I hadn't read the game.
I didn't know there was a Neighborhood, you were a claimed Gunsmith, or any of that. I was still trying to work on my RQS stuff.
But I hadn't gotten a vote out.

Since it's my personal belief that you should always have your vote out barring lylo scenarios (AKA, things like right now), I needed to vote SOMEONE. (I think I cover that in Mastin's Guide To Playing Well, though I might've touched upon it in Mastin's Guide To Scumhunting.)
But all I had was my outdated suspicions on you and Secret.
My Secret suspicion was stronger, so they/he was my vote.

If that makes sense.

[mastin2]

Oversoul: Did the mod say it was completely random?

I understand that you obviously can't get too close to the original wording without getting modkilled,
But the specific wording is VERY important.

I need you to tell me as best as you can his phrasing. It makes a HUGE difference.

Still need this, Oversoul.

[Oversoul]

Chosen randomly throughout all of the players in the game is as best I can paraphrase it.

[mastin2]

And for that matter, I'd love to hear the early Neighborhood QT talk, paraphrased. It's not too hard to paraphrase QT talk. Things asked to the mod about the QT, things to other players...

Early-talk. As in, first half of day one or so.

[Oversoul]

I have the qt paraphrase written up, but I am going to ask ODM if I can post it first. Would really hate for this game to end in modkill on my own part.

[Oversoul]

They mainly question my legitimacy about claiming to them and self voting, but after that the activity dies. There is pregame talk, which is what I am asking ODM about.

[mastin2]

I'll wait.

Oh, and by the way.

Serial Killer:

If you can choose to no-kill, then, well, quite frankly, if you did, I'd take the draw. And nom you for a well-deserved Best Performance Third Party scummy, since...well...
...Let's face it. Regardless of who the SK is, they've played a solid game.

[Oversoul]

Can SK's no kill?

[mastin2]

Can SK's no kill?

Depends on the mod. Seen it both ways. Originally, no. Nowadays, it's probably closer to 50/50.

[Oversoul]

Let's hope they are compulsive. And I don't really think that the SK play has been good this game. They failed to kill someone for the first three nights and only after the town did all of the work for them did they even become a problem. More like luck than skill in my opinion.

[mastin2]

So I switched to my desktop for five minutes to ramble in my QT a little.

Then I came up with an idea, which was actually quite brilliant.

Observe my Third Party encounters.

(Something done easier on my desktop, hence switching back.)


This'll take me a while. But I'm going to study the mind of a Third Party Player, something I have such a poor grasp around. Some of these won't take long; I can track down most of my games as Mastin, and where I was third party.

Others, not so much; I still have to track down my games as mastin2. (Not hard, just do a search.) And as my hydras. (Okay, a little more work...) And not forget Marathon games. (...Oh, boy.)


...This increases the workload. First step, track them all down. Second step, actually *read* them all. (That will take a little longer. One of them, for instance, is Phables Death Note, one of the longest Large games of all time. It had MULTIPLE third-parties......)

[Nobody Special]

Precisely what Oversoul said -- I don't see any capacity for the SK having been RBed ALL of the first three nights (unless -- and this is a huge stretch -- Pine happened to have blocked the SK

each and every night he was alive

). I need to go look at Pine's iso and see if that's mentioned (or crumbed) at all.

And since this is a Normal, there can't really be too many restrictions/enhancements/whatever that modify the SK to an extent that might explain whatever's happened.

mastin: It's just more wifom, but I'm leery of you talking to the SK. It's sorta like distancing (if that makes sense?).

[mastin2]

Stars Aligned, original. Need to look at those who went Murderer.

The MTG Games had multiple third parties.

The infamous Phables Deathnote had multiple.

Mean Mod (where I started using the term) had one.

Large 92 is the foundation of my Honorary Town stance for Third Parties. Had me (lyncher) auto-target cult recruiter (yes, cult. Yes, this was a Normal), so technically two third parties, though the cult was meant to act as a second mafia.

Beard Mafia.


That's it for Mastin standard, but there's a few Mastin-Marathon.

Here.
And Here.

I'll do a search later.


But still, that leaves a ton of work. Still gotta do essentially all my modern games, AKA, mastin2, plus marathon-mastin2, plus...
...Actually, did I ever see a third party as a hydra?

Oh, yeah. Both Pally games. AS the third party. Track 'em down soon enough.

[Nobody Special]

I was in one of those.

[mastin2]

I'll be saving Planet of Hats and Apocalypse Mafia for last, since they'll be easier to read on my laptop because it's easier to access quicktopics on there than on my desktop. (Don't ask. )

Anyway, that still leaves all my mastin2 games, so let's see how many there are...

[mastin2]

Though dead before I replaced in, Mafia on Werewolf Island had one.
Oh, and I effectively acted as a Doctor-SK once my teammates were dead, so it's important to note the Mafia QT.

Mirror Mafia had one, in the form of Thor.
Death of Reaper Charlie had one, too.

Then there's the infamous Neruzian Era.

Plus Underground, though again, dead before I replaced in.

That covers the large normals. I don't think I encountered any SKs in Mini Normals. Nor did I play in any open with a SK. Nor the Mini Theme, other than what I just linked. So, that leaves...
...Large Theme, I guess.

Oversoul knows where this is going. Brightest Day Mafia.
If there's a link to the Cult QT, I couldn't find it.
I suppose Blackest Night should also be looked at, though, due to how similar they were.

So that's all I can think about, except for Marathon games.

That's a little more extensive.
Lucid Dreamers 3, Twisted Odd One Out 2, Mean Lucid Dreamers 1, Sudo's Vengeful, UPick, Nomination Mafia 2, Lucid Dreamers 4, Human Body,
Smalltown Greek Mythology (pretty sure that was an SK-win, hence the link),
Join this game for Vigging (actually, pretty sure that one had an SK), Post Restriction Mafia,
Lucid Dreamers 16, 9P Vengeful,


And that's it. I'll go check them later, see if any of the ones not linked have an SK in them.

[mastin2]

Oh, and while we're on the topic of related games.
Always wanted to read Stars Aligned 2.
Not to mention, The longest game by page number on Mafiascum (at least, longest I can find), Stars Aligned 3.

[mastin2]

Which means I've got 23.5 games worth of material to read for Third Parties.

This'll be fun.

(Only Mastin would be crazy enough to try and read two dozen games--some of them over a hundred pages--just to get a better idea of how a Serial Killer thinks*. )

*I think that if I can better understand the mechanics of a Third Party role, I can better understand how they play in THIS game. Sure, I'm confident in my ability to get in their head, but I'm still just giving an educated guess as to their thought process.

Exploring MD might be a good idea as well, if there's a good topic or two devoted to Third Parties.


Oh!
And the scummies!

Heh, that's probably the best place to look. Didn't think of that before, but Third Party Scummy Noms are the *perfect* place to look for ideal SK play and understand what they did which made them spectacular, which'll add, oh, probably another five or so games to the list. (I don't know how many SKs have been nominated.)

Well, I have a few weeks to read it all. I'll be done in one!
(...Don't take that as a promise. But yeah, now's a better time than ever to do lots of reading. This game, I can do any time before deadline. I can devote endless hours to it, countless work. Reading FOR this game, but not IN it? That takes a little more snooping around, a little more willpower, and I need the time the holidays provide me to do so. Meaning this next week is the best opportunity I have. I don't want to waste it.)

[mastin2]

Only three, heh. Well, for second-half. I'd need to track down the Scummy thread for First-half noms to see those.

Still, Got here, here, and here to do at the very least.

[Oversoul]

Why are you reading so much? You are a glutton for punishment Mastin. Really all I care about are games where you were third party, or where someone else in this game was third party (including me).

[Oversoul]

Well after just losing MK Mafia in LyLo because of Ninja shenanigans I am fired up for this one.

[Oversoul]

ODM replied

Ironically we asked a bunch of questions like do we have daytalk/night talk, are we confirmed to each other and CMAR flipped a shit on us and told us to read the PM again.

Someone asked if we don't get a massclaim in the thread and all of us are alive, we should mass claim in the neighborhood. No one objected to that.

Someone else wanted to out all of us as neighbors, but someone and I said it defeats the purpose of a neighborhood. We ask were Lew is, the mod doesn't know. We give reads on each other someone else thinks I am scum. Someone agrees with someone else.

They call me stupid for claiming to them Day 1. They call me stupid for voting myself. Then the neighborhood dies in activity.

The first part was the pregame stuff.

[redFF]

What do you think about redFF falling for my trap when I said that the SK was too stupid to shoot Pine and he took offence to it?

this is enough for me. oversoul is scum, we can nolynch or lynch I don't really mind.

[Nobody Special]

I'm curious why that one particular thing cements his alignment for you.

[redFF]

"fell for my trap" hes suggesting im scum but not being commital to it at all.