NY Mafia 155 - New Age Mafia II - Game Over!

[Tierce]

HEY TIERCE, HOW IS THAT READ COMING ALONG?

No.
More.
Fucking.
Excuses.

If I don't see tangible effort in 48 hours, I'm voting Tierce, gunsmith be damned.

This is pretty rich coming from you. :/ It will get done, don't worry.

[Tierce]

Rhinox: Even with one of his scumbuddies as his scum suspect, it doesn't make sense for redFF to start the massclaim and popcorn to nhammen if he is scum. None at all.

It boils down to redFF's skill level. If it was some other player doing it (say Faraday, Equinox, Llamarble, Glork, Nacho...), I wouldn't consider this tell. But as it is, it's stone solid. Players who aren't really damn good at the game don't even consider popcorning to a buddy that early in massclaim. It's a question of protecting your win chances, and forcing your buddies to claim early does NOT protect your win chances. While, in my experience, redFF can be rather selfish (in relation to his team) as scum, he wouldn't deliberately do something that hinders his team so much and, more importantly (see his skill level) he wouldn't consider doing it as a magnificent Towntell.

Massclaiming is hard to learn to do as scum. It's even harder to learn how to do in D1. It's not something that pops up that often, especially that early. redFF would not popcorn to nhammen if he was scum with nhammen, because that 1) limits the information he gets out of Town players before scum have to claim and 2) limits the choices nhammen would have when it comes to claiming something believable.

In xudeR aifaM esreveR, PiggyGal was scum and had a 'scumread' on someone and a Townread on Vi and me (Sixty). If you look at the scum QT (linked at the end of the game), you will see how PiggyGal and her buddy were adamant in not having her buddy claim immediately after Piggy did. She popcorned to

us

, a Townread.

tl;dr: Scum that are not too comfortable playing scum/are not that experienced simply don't start massclaim and popcorn to a buddy. Go through games, I doubt you'll see this happen in any measurable fashion. I'd vote anyone, even Glork, before I vote redFF.


It would be very much like Glork

not

to mention the suicidal D1 massclaim play on the QT for the resulting Townpoints when his buddies inevitably failed at massclaim. Glork is fine with dispatching dead weight whenever possible.


And while we are at it, why is Izzy dead instead of Glork? If there are two scum alive, this is MyLo. That could explain why Izzy is dead--as few innocents alive in MyLo/LyLo as possible. But Glork is far more capable of scumhunting than Izzy, even though his play here is far from stellar. :/


Glork, Rhinox--please paraphrase the last few posts on the neighborhood QT, please.

[Tierce]

@OGML: Please prod KoC.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

And while we are at it, why is Izzy dead instead of Glork? If there are two scum alive, this is MyLo. That could explain why Izzy is dead--as few innocents alive in MyLo/LyLo as possible. But Glork is far more capable of scumhunting than Izzy, even though his play here is far from stellar. :/

Would a suboptimal nightkill really be out of place in this game?

[Tierce]

Stop being all suave and stuff. I'm not falling for your fancy cryptic ways.

And no, it wouldn't be out of place, especially if it's MyLo. I was working on a bit of EV last night--everything that removes a confirmed innocent from the equation adds quite a lot to scum's win chances.

My question is: should we No Lynch?

[Tierce]

This is ridiculous. I don't have a scumread, much less two.

Why do you think there's only one scum left, CES?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Balance. Scum power grows quadratically in the amount of members and you need a silly amount of power to countenance 5 scum in a 19p game.

My question is: should we No Lynch?

My answer is: we should lynch KoC.

[Glork]

I'm l drunk. But CES's assessment has some merit.

[Tierce]

I extend inactivity beyond the borders of the impossible, and Glork still doesn't vote me. After saying he would do so--I present something that is a waffly analysis of some players with one single concrete position, and

that

is content enough for him? It should have raised red flags as a dismissive way to get him off my back, it talked about a Townread that is in no danger, and he just takes it.

Town Glork would have been on me in a flash.

VOTE: Glork

[Tierce]

Current Deadline: Sunday, November 11th, 10 PM EST

This should be fun.

@OGML: Prods, please. Look at that Activity Overview.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

That is a very lame reason to trot out at this point of the game. Just sheep me, Tierce.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Balance. Scum power grows quadratically in the amount of members and you need a silly amount of power to countenance 5 scum in a 19p game.

My question is: should we No Lynch?

My answer is: we should lynch KoC.

Still waiting for a proper case other than the one Quag literally predicted just before you lynched him.

[Glork]

I extend inactivity beyond the borders of the impossible, and Glork still doesn't vote me. After saying he would do so--I present something that is a waffly analysis of some players with one single concrete position, and

that

is content enough for him? It should have raised red flags as a dismissive way to get him off my back, it talked about a Townread that is in no danger, and he just takes it.

Town Glork would have been on me in a flash.

VOTE: Glork

Tbh I haven't bothered to read what you posted and you did pick up your activity within my 48 hour mandate. Also, I'm visiting singer/quadz in Arizona, so yeah. Priorities.

[Glork]

Btw I'm fine with No Lynch today. Also, Tierce, I wouldn't consider you scum unless you were scum

with KoC

. It's far more likely that your period of inactivity and your self-proclaimed awful analysis would be co-dependent. But hey, let's argue hypotheticals rather than if ding scum. That's cool.

[Glork]

KoC, why aren't you voting CES if all you've done today is take little potshots at him about "what Quag said" would happen. It sounds suspiciously like you're trying to drum up suspicion on him in a premeditated fashion without actually committing yourself.

Who is MOST likely to be scum? Who's second most likely? How's my scums are left?

[Glork]

Tierce, do you really think a vote on me is useful at this point when we're mere hours from deadline and nobody else has really expressed any suspicion of me? Do you want to achieves lynch today?

[Knight of Cydonia]

KoC, why aren't you voting CES if all you've done today is take little potshots at him about "what Quag said" would happen. It sounds suspiciously like you're trying to drum up suspicion on him in a premeditated fashion without actually committing yourself.

Who is MOST likely to be scum? Who's second most likely? How's my scums are left?

You or CES. Dead heat. One of you.

Vote: CES

[Glork]

That makes things decidedly easier. Now if red and Rhinox could get in here, we'd have a plan in place for the win.

Also, 5 players voting for 5 different people at this stage in the day/game is rather hilarious.

Vote: No Lynch

Really curious to see who gets killed tonight. I have a guess I know who it'll be, but still.

[redFF]

I'm here.

I'd vote CES over Glork, but I still want to lynch Tierce, why can't we have a tierce lynch?

[Glork]

Because she's not scum, she's just bad.

[Rhinox]

umm I guess deadline is today. Still not voting CES, and if that leaves glork and KOC...

unvote, vote KOC

[redFF]

sigh

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Let's finish this.

Glrok, Tierce.

[Glork]

Meh. If it's CES+Rhinox, gg.

Vote: KoC

[Knight of Cydonia]

Gorram idiots.