Mafia 158: Titanium. Game over

combinatorialEnigma · Post Post #1925 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:53 pm

In post 1919, mykonian wrote:the RB's didn't do that much

sup

mykonian · Post Post #1926 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:54 pm

uhm, thoughts about the game...

First, this was painful. I think for everybody. Lynching town six days in a row isn't fun to do, or to watch. Watching the scum unlimited dayvig not kill a single person for 5 days isn't fun as a mod, or as a goon, I guess. Much of the game's pain came from that. After three mislynches this should have been over. Which is doable, you simply move on. But, uhuhm, a certain character couldn't find the trigger. Otherwise, town had 3 mislynches for two scum, two roleblockers to perhaps find the goon via a lucky block, and masons to keep the killing machine that scum was at least somewhat occupied and perhaps give town some hold on the game.

As a final thing, claiming dayvig on the last day is what could have lost you the game there. You see people going: if there are two scum, in a 16p. With two roleblockers flipped and two masons confirmed... with a claimed dayvig: what powerrole is there available for scum to balance all that? Could have directed you to the most amazing comeback of all time, since today you had to lynch thelocomotion or lose tomorrow as he daykilled.

pappums rat · Post Post #1927 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:57 pm

So it was:

2 masons
2 roleblockers
10 VT

vs.

1 assassin
1 goon

Hmmzorz.

The two roleblockers had the whole counterclaim problem (one RB pushed to claim, other CCs, they lynch one then the other is NKed). 2 masons is fine but town could have still used some more power I think. One thing about only having two mafia in a game this size is it is really hard to come across relational tells when there are no dead scums. And giving the scum a daykill, eehhhhhh.... Does "unlimited" mean they could have daykilled every day? It doesnt seem that way given that they would have done so. What does that mean?

All in all this was a really unpleasant game to have to read through, and I was quite irritable thoughout my time in it. So yeah. Sorry if I was a bit more abrasive than I needed to be.

Also, can we get the scum and dead qts?

p. edit: so it was an unlimited extra kill for the scum? Holy fucking fuck.

greygnarl · Post Post #1928 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:58 pm

Yeah Hiraki never used it I guess.

NJAC · Post Post #1929 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:59 pm

Yeah, buldermar solved it all in a row of posts, but he wasn't sure about it

NJAC · Post Post #1930 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:01 pm

Or didn't push enough...

greygnarl · Post Post #1931 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:02 pm

In post 1926, mykonian wrote:uhm, thoughts about the game...

First, this was painful. I think for everybody. Lynching town six days in a row isn't fun to do, or to watch. Watching the scum unlimited dayvig not kill a single person for 5 days isn't fun as a mod, or as a goon, I guess.

If I had been in from the start you would've bet I'd have just shot somebody right away. I do things like that.

mykonian · Post Post #1932 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:03 pm

In post 1927, pappums rat wrote:So it was:

2 masons
2 roleblockers
10 VT

vs.

1 assassin
1 goon

Hmmzorz.

The two roleblockers had the whole counterclaim problem (one RB pushed to claim, other CCs, they lynch one then the other is NKed). 2 masons is fine but town could have still used some more power I think. One thing about only having two mafia in a game this size is it is really hard to come across relational tells when there are no dead scums. And giving the scum a daykill, eehhhhhh....
Does "unlimited" mean they could have daykilled every day?
It doesnt seem that way given that they would have done so. What does that mean?

All in all this was a really unpleasant game to have to read through, and I was quite irritable thoughout my time in it. So yeah. Sorry if I was a bit more abrasive than I needed to be.

Also, can we get the scum and dead qts?

p. edit: so it was an unlimited extra kill for the scum? Holy fucking fuck.

Yes, it exactly means that. Precisely. And hiraki should have shot, damnit. And there's a reason town is getting a bunch of powerroles against just two scum. RB's grow in value massively when the first scum is lynched (even if you don't know it, you can backtrack at some point). So yes, it was very swingy, I give you that.

mykonian · Post Post #1933 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:04 pm

http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/KKVNbB5JFUV

dead qt. If scum want theirs to be public, they can post it.

NJAC · Post Post #1934 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:19 pm

Sure, why not? Scum QT

pirate mollie · Post Post #1935 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:40 pm

thank you for the game myko!

and doubly thank you for keeping company on the zombie board.

about the newb shit:

don't you dare blame the loss on newbs. I suppose I can only speak for myself but

I

tried, I was scumhunting like a mofo and got lynched for my efforts.

combinatorialEnigma · Post Post #1936 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:48 pm

yeah, don't you dare blame the loss on newbs, I suppose I can only speak for myself, but my being a giant douchebag to everyone was independent of my being new.

Hiraki · Post Post #1937 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:54 pm

Could've sworn it was a one-shot

Oh well!

Hiraki · Post Post #1938 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:56 pm

myko wrote:With two roleblockers flipped and two masons confirmed... with a claimed dayvig: what powerrole is there available for scum to balance all that? Could have directed you to the most amazing comeback of all time, since today you had to lynch thelocomotion or lose tomorrow as he daykilled.

I actually discussed this with greygnarl as I knew claiming dayvig would've been a game killer

Holy fuck how the fuck did it work?

I even had a post that I clearly stated that scum had to have some PR type of scum role--there was so much opportunity to strike us down there.

pirate mollie · Post Post #1939 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:59 pm

In post 1936, combinatorialEnigma wrote:yeah, don't you dare blame the loss on newbs, I suppose I can only speak for myself, but my being a giant douchebag to everyone was independent of my being new.

bwrv spotted

TheButtonmen · Post Post #1940 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:03 pm

I love you all.

mykonian · Post Post #1941 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:03 pm

In post 1937, Hiraki wrote:Could've sworn it was a one-shot

Oh well!

You've got to be kidding me...

TheButtonmen · Post Post #1942 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:04 pm

Weak case my ass.

NJAC · Post Post #1943 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:16 pm

In post 1937, Hiraki wrote:Could've sworn it was a one-shot

Oh well!

I also asked you this in the QT and I thought it was perfectly clear for you.

combinatorialEnigma · Post Post #1944 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:17 pm

In post 1939, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 1936, combinatorialEnigma wrote:yeah, don't you dare blame the loss on newbs, I suppose I can only speak for myself, but my being a giant douchebag to everyone was independent of my being new.

bwrv spotted

the hell does that stand for

NJAC · Post Post #1945 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:18 pm

And yeah, TBM was right, but fortunately for us he didn't get too much leverage.

And Mollie, maybe you should post a bit less next game.

NJAC · Post Post #1946 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:18 pm

And yeah, TBM was right, but fortunately for us he didn't get too much leverage.

And Mollie, maybe you should post a bit less next game.

NJAC · Post Post #1947 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:20 pm

How did that double post happen?

Anyway good game everyone

and thank you myko, nice flavor.

NJAC · Post Post #1948 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:20 pm

How did that double post happen?

Anyway good game everyone

and thank you myko, nice flavor.

dividizzle · Post Post #1949 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:28 pm

yeah, thanks for the game everybody. Well done to you two. Was quite the tricky game to get my feet back under me!