NY 168: (GAME OVER) The Mod is Dead, Fire and Ice Edition

[Aegor]

Re-reading

[PeregrineV]

Re-reading

How's that coming?

[Aegor]

Slowly. May not get back to it today. May end up skimming or just ISOing you two.

I hope I am not the only one doing anything.

[Bulbazak]

PV decided to hold a private conversation in our neighborhood.

[PeregrineV]

Looked at Desp/Max treatment of AA/Rach, Bulba, Anti/NJAC/Aegor.

Still want to check NJAC treatment of Desp/Max.

Still going to base mine off this. Comments for/against other players based on these posts are being accepted.

[Aegor]

VOTE: Bulbazak

[Aegor]

UNVOTE:

[Bulbazak]

I'm not sure what just happened...

[PeregrineV]

PV decided to hold a private conversation in our neighborhood.

Answered your question there, too.

[Bulbazak]

Aegor, what was with the quick vote and unvote?

More when I get back later tonight.

[JacobSavage]

VOTECOUNT 8.1

Not Voting [3]

- PeregrineV, Aegor, Bulbazak.

With 3 alive it takes

2

to lynch

Deadlines falls on Monday 14^th April 2014 at 1100 GMT ((expired on 2014-04-14 11:00:00))

I'm going to be away on the 14th, Would there be any objections to pushing the deadline 12 hours earlier (i.e. Sunday 13th at 2300 GMT)

[Aegor]

Will explain tomorrow when I actually post. I have been ignoring this game due to length-induced paralysis.

Mod: I am fine with the new deadline

[Bulbazak]

Going to address PV here, since I don't see the sense in keeping the discussion out of the main thread.

I disagree that the Rach kill only points to me. As I said, you would have been the one I would kill, not Rach. An endgame with Rach and Aegor would be perfect, because then I could fake paranoia and uncertainty on who to lynch, all while cursing TSO and you for not making the choice easier. Both Rach and Aegor would be suspicious of each other and would likely cross vote, with me hammering whoever I want. Besides, I'd be afraid of your paranoia as scum, and I wouldn't need you alive in the neighborhood at all. In fact, I could pretend to have gotten last reads from you, which I could use to push the lynch on whomever I wanted.

The Rach kill benefits you in pretty much the same ways as you listed for me. You could use the neighborhood to buddy me and lynch Aegor, or you could act paranoid and aim for my lynch. An Aegor kill wouldn't really benefit you, because you'd have to really rely on the buddying, since Rach would be more likely to suspect you.

As for Aegor, I really don't think there was an optimal kill for him as scum. Sure you could argue that he'd want to disband the neighborhood, but he could always count on paranoia to work for him. Killing either neighbor has the high chance of leading to his quick death, especially since Rach was starting to suspect him. Killing Rach still leaves 2 alive that suspect him, but it also increases the chance of neighborhood paranoia.

I've actually been pondering whether you as scum would hold a QT exclusive conversation like we've been having. However, I don't see how that would be optimal for you as scum. I'd suspect that as scum, you'd have said everything in the thread and pushed hard for my lynch, rather than going back and forth in private. I really don't see how that benefits scum you. Also, I remember doing ISOs shortly after the Zekrom lynch, and I was immediately hit by your towniness, which means I can't see you being partners with Maxous or Desperado.

You've done ISO reads, what do you think? Do you really think that I bussed Desperado when there was no need to? Do you think I hard bussed him when nobody was looking his way?

I'll be honest, I haven't been impressed with Aegor's slot at all. NJAC felt incredibly scummy to me, and Aegor's entrance into the game felt contrived. I also think whatever he was doing with the vote/unvote was pretty fake as well.

Let's keep the conversation out of the QT and actually use the thread. What are your impressions based on your readthrough?

[Aegor]

IDK about my vote-unvote; I was playing my wildcard and hoping for some reactions after the unvote. Then I realized that it was a terrible idea in every way. And I did not even get any reaction, so it was a total bust.

Anyway, Rach kill makes no sense to me when Bulba was available, but whatever. Analysis is pointless.

I am still leaning Pere. His vote on Desp in 1081 is not particularly impressive, and his follow-up on Rach is bizarrely slow. Any elucidation on that from him would be helpful.

I was suspected by everyone yesterday, so I am happy to address anything or answer questions. I obviously cannot answer for NJAC.

[PeregrineV]

Going to address PV here, since I don't see the sense in keeping the discussion out of the main thread.

I disagree that the Rach kill only points to me. As I said, you would have been the one I would kill, not Rach. An endgame with Rach and Aegor would be perfect, because then I could fake paranoia and uncertainty on who to lynch, all while cursing TSO and you for not making the choice easier. Both Rach and Aegor would be suspicious of each other and would likely cross vote, with me hammering whoever I want. Besides, I'd be afraid of your paranoia as scum, and I wouldn't need you alive in the neighborhood at all. In fact, I could pretend to have gotten last reads from you, which I could use to push the lynch on whomever I wanted.

The Rach kill benefits you in pretty much the same ways as you listed for me. You could use the neighborhood to buddy me and lynch Aegor, or you could act paranoid and aim for my lynch. An Aegor kill wouldn't really benefit you, because you'd have to really rely on the buddying, since Rach would be more likely to suspect you.

As for Aegor, I really don't think there was an optimal kill for him as scum. Sure you could argue that he'd want to disband the neighborhood, but he could always count on paranoia to work for him. Killing either neighbor has the high chance of leading to his quick death, especially since Rach was starting to suspect him. Killing Rach still leaves 2 alive that suspect him, but it also increases the chance of neighborhood paranoia.

I've actually been pondering whether you as scum would hold a QT exclusive conversation like we've been having. However, I don't see how that would be optimal for you as scum. I'd suspect that as scum, you'd have said everything in the thread and pushed hard for my lynch, rather than going back and forth in private. I really don't see how that benefits scum you. Also, I remember doing ISOs shortly after the Zekrom lynch, and I was immediately hit by your towniness, which means I can't see you being partners with Maxous or Desperado.

You've done ISO reads, what do you think? Do you really think that I bussed Desperado when there was no need to? Do you think I hard bussed him when nobody was looking his way?

I'll be honest, I haven't been impressed with Aegor's slot at all. NJAC felt incredibly scummy to me, and Aegor's entrance into the game felt contrived. I also think whatever he was doing with the vote/unvote was pretty fake as well.

Let's keep the conversation out of the QT and actually use the thread. What are your impressions based on your readthrough?

I'm just still gunshy after loosing that last large normal for town.

But, all my reathroughs look like Aegor is more likely scum by dint of you being less likely to be scum.

Either way, ending the game now.

Vote: Aegor

[Aegor]

Bulba has posted elsewhere, so PV is confscum for me.

VOTE: PeregrineV

[Bulbazak]

Tbh, I wanted to read through PV's ISO one more time. I'm going to place my vote before the end of the day tomorrow.

[PeregrineV]

Tbh, I wanted to read through PV's ISO one more time. I'm going to place my vote before the end of the day tomorrow.

This means I picked right. Personal victory no matter who you vote.

[JacobSavage]

VOTECOUNT 8.2

Aegor [1]

- PeregrineV

[L-1]

PeregrineV [1]

- Aegor

[L-1]

Not Voting [1]

- Bulbazak.

With 3 alive it takes

2

to lynch

Deadlines falls on Monday 14^th April 2014 at 1100 GMT ((expired on 2014-04-14 11:00:00))

Well it turns out due to events outside my control, I'm away Saturday/Sunday and am around Monday! Deadline stands as it was.

[Bulbazak]

I really can't see PV being scum.

Vote Aegor

[PeregrineV]

I really can't see PV being scum.

Vote Aegor

Now tell me you're not scum.

[Bulbazak]

I'm not scum. Are you scum?

[Aegor]

GG PV

[PeregrineV]

I'm not scum. Are you scum?

Nope.


Hurray!!

[PeregrineV]

GG PV

Thanks. Not sure why you picked Rach to kill though.