NY 178: MASQUERADE -- GAME OVER


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Post Post #4675 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:25 am

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In post 4671, reinoe wrote:I never said it isn't pro town to lynch right away. Where did that impression come from? I don't see why you didn't hammer unless you wanted to "look town".

As for other people unvoting...I have to admit I haven't analyzed their motivations as heavily as yours. Is there someone who shouldn't have unvoted that I need to take a look at?

Well you keep saying that I'm trying to look town. So what was I doing to "look town"? I am assuming that you are talking about my not lynching Thor right away, if so then you are saying that it is a pro-town thing to do. If not then what?

Why are you assuming that I'm trying to "look town" as opposed to ya know, actually being town and doing stuff that town should do?

Why haven't you analyzed the motives of the players that unvoted? You do know that Thor would have been lynched if they didn't unvote so you are barking up the wrong tree.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #4676 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:28 am

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axle, what do you think of tiershift?
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #4677 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:29 am

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In post 4659, reinoe wrote:Are you really always this bad?

Earlier you said to me.... I didnt bite you.

In post 4673, reinoe wrote:blegh maybe I was just pissed that Nero didn't hammer.


So ok maybe you were just pissed. (its a possibility to consider, but there is also the scum story that fits)

Now explain how you became more pissed, as time went on.

Your first read was just after he didn't hammer. (and you read him town)

later you are somehow more pissed?

How come you are more pissed later?

Like I said originally walk me through how you got there.
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Post Post #4678 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:30 am

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In post 4676, Nero Cain wrote:axle, what do you think of tiershift?


I am busy
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Post Post #4679 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:31 am

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Also unless you have a plan stop poking Reinoe for now please.
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Post Post #4680 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:32 am

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In post 4672, reinoe wrote:UNVOTE:


So you are at no lynching?
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Post Post #4681 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:36 am

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In post 4677, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4659, reinoe wrote:Are you really always this bad?

Earlier you said to me.... I didnt bite you.

In post 4673, reinoe wrote:blegh maybe I was just pissed that Nero didn't hammer.


So ok maybe you were just pissed. (its a possibility to consider, but there is also the scum story that fits)

Now explain how you became more pissed, as time went on.

Your first read was just after he didn't hammer. (and you read him town)

later you are somehow more pissed?

How come you are more pissed later?

Like I said originally walk me through how you got there.

How come I'm more pissed later? The thor lynch is slipped away. thor lynch was still a better lynch than this scrambling around bullshit.
Scum typically need to fabricate reasons for scumreads...

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Post Post #4682 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:43 am

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In post 4681, reinoe wrote:
In post 4677, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4659, reinoe wrote:Are you really always this bad?

Earlier you said to me.... I didnt bite you.

In post 4673, reinoe wrote:blegh maybe I was just pissed that Nero didn't hammer.


So ok maybe you were just pissed. (its a possibility to consider, but there is also the scum story that fits)

Now explain how you became more pissed, as time went on.

Your first read was just after he didn't hammer. (and you read him town)

later you are somehow more pissed?

How come you are more pissed later?

Like I said originally walk me through how you got there.

How come I'm more pissed later? The Thor lynch is slipped away. Thor lynch was still a better lynch than this scrambling around bullshit.


Ok tell me where you had read up to in the thread, when you decided the Thor lynch had slipped away and you went back and decided nero was scum.
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Post Post #4683 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:56 am

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In post 4669, reinoe wrote:Sure if we agree on who's scum. That's not happening right now though.

Yes, this is the problem, no-one can agree on anything. Instead I am asking you to vote with me today. Lynching NC is just going to end badly.
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Post Post #4684 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:59 am

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In post 4679, AxleGreaser wrote:Also unless you have a plan stop poking Reinoe for now please.


@Nero
ta for waiting (it didn't turn out as well as I hoped) if you want to talk to Reinoe go ahead.

He has however now (if he is town) realised his read was fueled by "blegh maybe I was just pissed" and unvoted you.

and BTW Axle claims
Nero quick hammering in the small window he could have (and reinoe is pissed he didnt) would have been bad towny play.
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Post Post #4685 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:24 am

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@reinoe
Spoiler: here is reply you made earlier
In post 4634, reinoe wrote:
In post 4624, AxleGreaser wrote:Right now you are interpreting those events as scummy
In post 4617, reinoe wrote:7)Basically it looks like you didn't hammer thor
because you wanted to "look townie"
even though you had multiple completely justified reason to do so. I admit I definitely wanted thor hammered and lynched because I think he's scum. The question is why DIDN'T you want thor hammered?


Not very long ago you said
In post 4377, reinoe wrote:If Nero was serious about "lulz policy lynch thor" then he could have...

1)declared thor's claim fake and hammered.
2)FAKE cc'ed
3)pretended he wasn't paying attention to the VC and derphammered

Like sometimes townies do things that don't fucking make sense. Boons in every game. Some of the stuff coming from Dave and Flubber. The difference is trying to determine if there's scum motivation or town motivation.
The stuff coming from Nero feels townie.
Compare that to all the discrediting coming from thor earlier this DP. That shit was not town.


I would be be a lot happier if it was easier or even possible to make those two posts line up and agree with one another.

Wow, it's almost as if a shift in the game state caused a shift in opinion. Remarkable huh? Strange how something like that happened. It's like Nero Cain did something that did not have a townie feel to it at all and I made a 7 point post explaining it...


The problem I was pointing out was that you interpreted the same events quite differently.

You now claim you interpreted them differently as you were pissed later as the thor lynch slipped away.

When I showed you you had interpreted them differently you claimed a shift in the game state did it.
What game state change were you claiming did that? In You say it is the claim.

I cant see how town can make that mistake.
The mistake you claim to have made is
Your interpeation of the events surrounding the Thors claim, were different later, than earlier becuase in between the two times game state had changed because Thor claimed..
WAT Your earlier interpretation of the events around the claim cant have happened before the claim.

The implausibility/plausibility of you making that kind of derp, weighs on whether I believe the scum case or the town one below.

earlier i said something like this

A scum reason is
earlier Reinoe town read Nero so as to drive the Thor Lynch. (the scum motivation of that post is to wk, a player who has thor scum read, and chuck in some digs at thor)
(why he would wk as scum trying to lynch thor)(you were an ally)
Now a dave lynch is inconvenient, so now he wants to scum read you. So he does. Simple. (now you are expendable) (this would be true if Dave is more valuable than a townie with convenient read)
(Also be aware in this story yes scum would be more pissed when the thor wagon collapsed, so the pissed reason would be easy well to fake as its real?) (rats)


A town reason is?
Well there is in fact no towny reason

Yep there was third possibility (bad emotive play)

@Thread

Sorry that is as good as it got. You read Reinoe based on which is more believable. (or make up your own)
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Post Post #4686 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:25 am

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In post 4650, AxleGreaser wrote:
@Tier and ONLY at tier.


I am flying blind from memory here and sorry if I am wrong. (If so i got you mixed up with some other stellar player... ok?)
I believe:
You have town read on Thor, and its because of him, hunting scum even when under the pump(L-small), he was going down hunting scum...? yeah

Whats this
In post 4646, Nero Cain wrote:I know or think I know what he's saying but is still fucking stupid.


chopped liver?

unvote nero, while you think.

I don't get this
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Post Post #4687 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:26 am

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@Slaandar
Reinoe is now all yours. (I may need to get sleep soon.)
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Post Post #4688 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:27 am

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In post 4686, TierShift wrote:
In post 4650, AxleGreaser wrote:
@Tier and ONLY at tier.


I am flying blind from memory here and sorry if I am wrong. (If so i got you mixed up with some other stellar player... ok?)
I believe:
You have town read on Thor, and its because of him, hunting scum even when under the pump(L-small), he was going down hunting scum...? yeah

Whats this
In post 4646, Nero Cain wrote:I know or think I know what he's saying but is still fucking stupid.


chopped liver?

unvote nero, while you think.

I don't get this



maybe its bad i was pressed for time.

Did you tiwn read Thor earlier for scum hunting all the way to L-1 or am I mixing that up with someone else?
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Post Post #4689 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:37 am

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In post 4686, TierShift wrote:
In post 4650, AxleGreaser wrote:
@Tier and ONLY at tier.


I am flying blind from memory here and sorry if I am wrong. (If so i got you mixed up with some other stellar player... ok?)
I believe:
You have town read on Thor, and its because of him, hunting scum even when under the pump(L-small), he was going down hunting scum...? yeah

Whats this
In post 4646, Nero Cain wrote:I know or think I know what he's saying but is still fucking stupid.


chopped liver?

unvote nero, while you think.

I don't get this


I have had time to dig, in post you town read Thor, for continuing to be towny while being lead wagon (town reading the only legit alternative etc)

I want you to read the recent stuff with Nero, reinoe, and Axle,

and tell me your read on Nero during the exchange.
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Post Post #4690 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:55 am

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In post 4683, Slandaar wrote:
In post 4669, reinoe wrote:Sure if we agree on who's scum. That's not happening right now though.

Yes, this is the problem, no-one can agree on anything. Instead I am asking you to vote with me today. Lynching NC is just going to end badly.


@Slaandar
I assume you have seen reinoe is currently not voting anyone? (unvotes)

... nah (That is not on you list of valid options)
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Post Post #4691 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:18 am

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Yes, I have seen that, I am under the assumption he is going to vote someone and not just leave his vote nowhere though.

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Post Post #4692 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:21 am

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In post 4689, AxleGreaser wrote:and tell me your read on Nero during the exchange.

what exchange?
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Post Post #4693 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:24 am

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In post 4692, TierShift wrote:
In post 4689, AxleGreaser wrote:and tell me your read on Nero during the exchange.

what exchange?


The recent one be back in sec with links where it starts
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Post Post #4694 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:33 am

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In post 4692, TierShift wrote:
In post 4689, AxleGreaser wrote:and tell me your read on Nero during the exchange.

what exchange?



Me reinoe and nero

Starting about here and the next 3 pages. (up to about this post)

Is Nero playing with pro town motivations while real close to death/lynch?

bear in mind at some time he had me as 100% scum candidate and untunelled...

I want your read on whether or not you perceive Nero playing with towny intent in this period.
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Post Post #4695 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:48 am

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In post 4627, TierShift wrote:Why is everyone always so uptight about claiming before L-1 when close to DL?

Well, I would point out that I alo like to get the first claim with 1-2 weeks until deadline to help avoid that. But there is still a thing called wagon analysis - I'm a fan.

Not a lot of time left, people should probably be making a play for Dave methinks.
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Post Post #4696 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:51 am

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In post 4632, Shiro wrote:Iz why ? How was his push on Thor then vote on GM and the back to Thor cause test town like ?
^Gm same question cause u said u aren't voting him.

Scum don't usually like to draw attention to themselves like that, plus his overall play looks p Town.

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Post Post #4697 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:52 am

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hmm. Nero seems genuinely frustrated but I think that's not alignment-indicative.

I don't see much more in his posts. He's trying to direct town after he dies, which is a mild towntell, but he's not overly doing that.
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Post Post #4698 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:53 am

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In post 4502, goodmorning wrote:Fonz/Nero/Thor y/y?

prob not fonz

Whát other quesitons?
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Post Post #4699 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:54 am

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In post 4697, TierShift wrote:hmm. Nero seems genuinely frustrated but I think that's not alignment-indicative.

I don't see much more in his posts. He's trying to direct town after he dies, which is a mild towntell, but he's not overly doing that.



If he is scum why did he make
What does he think might happen next that will be beneficial to his survival?
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