NY 178: MASQUERADE -- GAME OVER


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Post Post #4850 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:37 pm

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Thor/Reinoe/Boons scumteam would be epic lulz
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Post Post #4851 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:50 pm

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Could someone voting me explain how beast's play this game is town?

Ugh can't believe this shit. Somebody who's voting me xplain how beasts play this game is town.
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Post Post #4852 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:51 pm

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Starting back ways... yeah I will catch up with the C and CC (red check) soonish.
In post 4727, Slandaar wrote:You just gotta have faith Axle :]


I do but faith comes in many flavors good faith, bad faith, broken faith.
I don't necessarily have faith we all have the faith, or faith in the same things.
and I am old, and was tired, so that changes stuff.

But yeah I had faith:
that either some towny or scum would hammer it eventually (SNAFU), or
they wouldn't and the game would effectively be over as IDGAF won or
one of the other less likely possibilities would happen.

One thing I may not have faith in... just because (based on that evidence) "there has been both a claim, and red check and a counter claim...."
It is not certain that even one of them is scum(WW,maf,or SK), either is cop, that there was check made ...
AKA they can still both be town... :eek: :facepalm: :cry: :(
Deciding will still take thinking about.
Some people have what I shall describe as "
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" ideas what playing the game of mafia involves.

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PS sorry if for one of you thats not possible, as you have completed the 12 step program and sworn of silly gambits, or never got hooked on them to begin with.

Indeed sig change for the day: Silly (cookie cutter) gambits. The crack cocaine of playing mafia. : Axle
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Post Post #4853 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:54 pm

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In post 4851, reinoe wrote:Could someone voting me explain how beast's play this game is town?

Ugh can't believe this shit. Somebody who's voting me xplain how beasts play this game is town.

The above is why you don't phone post between calls.

I'm gonna just scum-hunt when I get home. But I'll point out Beast's remarkable silence after fake-claiming.
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Post Post #4854 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:10 pm

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I was at work when I claimed thank you very much. You are scum and everyone knows it. Also, I explain why I played the way I did. I have mad a lurky doing nothing meta for myself as town lately so I thought this would be the perfect time to see if I could do that and survive as a PR. So yesterday I pretended to be behind and be useless.

If yall need to lynch me first to see that reinoe is scum then so be it. Not like I am going to get another chance to inspect someone anyway.
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Post Post #4855 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:11 pm

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In post 4847, Boonskiies wrote:This is town Reinoe.

VOTE: Beast


How is this town Reinoe when I have a scum guilty on them? This is clearly SCUM Reinoe.
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Post Post #4856 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:29 pm

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In post 4830, T S O wrote:well at least 1 of them is scum.

I find it very weird that Beast would, as scum, claim a role which reinoe would flip as. Either it's a massive coincidence or reinoe is lying.

And I don't see anything reinoe has done which means he's gotta be removed.


at least 1 is scum or both bad.

Beast was from my reading under pressure when he claimed, but it was still early in the day..

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Role_Cop

Life and especially MB mafia is full of possibilities, if only you think about them.

My preferred choice will be to lynch the one (if either) that is mafia and make (not town) kill the other.
(throwing hands up and lynching into them until one or more flips not town, is not my plan, and does not seem the towniest plan.)

Finally to complete the set of possibilities.

If beast is WW, and WW consensus last night was that Reinoe was in the mafia team, then if under pressure, WW faking red check on guessed scum Reinoe, would be ... cleverish? (not crack?)
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Post Post #4857 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:31 pm

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In post 4755, Boonskiies wrote:I'm pretty sure I was shot night 1.


Why ?

If it is mod confirmed or something Id like to know....

If that is Boonskiies being boonskiies (cray cray) then I'd like to know that I ought ignore it.
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Post Post #4858 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:00 pm

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@Beast

I know this wasn't @ me, but to set a baseline
In post 4811, beastcharizard wrote:Are you reading what I type?

Well I cant be sure about anyone else, but as I signed up to play the game, you can take that as sign on "
good faith
" that I did in fact sign up to play the game, and thus I am playing the game (not having a fit of pique) and i am reading every one of your posts several times.

Hence I have actual, mafia playing related questions....

You made these two posts (the first with no reasons at all) and yeah now you say that flags your red check in case you flipped later.
In post 4780, beastcharizard wrote:Finally read the game and these are my reads.

Scum:
Reinoe
goodmorning
AxleGreaser
Shiro

Leaning Scum:
Josh_B
[....]


You explain Reinoe thus (Which is consistent) and there dont have to reasons(scum hunting behind a red check)
In post 4782, beastcharizard wrote:Reinoe is just scum. Call it gut or whatever you want they just give me no town vibes what so ever.


However these were you playing mafia (not flagging checks).

This one is about me (please dont worry about OMGUS) I really like (often town read) townies scum reading me then explaining why.
What I don't like is scum, making up crap, then refusing to explain it.
So which do you want to be?
In post 4784, beastcharizard wrote:Axle had a post somewhere that screamed scum to me, I just don't remember which one it was. I will find it in due time.

Which post?
Where?
and how did it scream scum?



I also want you to explain this read/reason.
In post 4782, beastcharizard wrote:Shinobi is based off of the flipped WW. I found them most likely to be partner. It was really the early vote from said flipped WW that made me think that.

Confirm this referred to Shiro? Which vote and why?


There will very likely be more questions. When I get those answers.

Please note This: I wont really care if Reinoe flips scum, and you claimed cop and you claim you have a red check. While that will be some evidence that you are town, it is also true that(a maf flip) will mean the game is then (mod conf) MB, and that will then mean you really ought be in different team (WW,Town and SK?) are then still possible. So yes please don't look at your claimed blue PM and say OMGUS Axle is asking me questions to work out my alignment, that means he must be ...

because the answer you are looking for is, that means he must be ... conscious and playing the damn game.
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Post Post #4859 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:14 pm

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OK I'M HOME!!! TIME TO PROVE BEAST IS SCUM ROLE-COP...
In post 2170, beastcharizard wrote:So,
who is town
and who is scum?


In post 4807, beastcharizard wrote:They(reinoe) asked someone who is TOWN, not scum. If you know the scum you know the town. That is just not a normal question.

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In post 4854, beastcharizard wrote:I have mad a lurky doing nothing meta for myself as town lately so I thought this would be the perfect time to see if I could do that and survive as a PR. So yesterday I pretended to be behind and be useless.

Self meta to the max!
In post 4854, beastcharizard wrote:If yall need to lynch me first to see that reinoe is scum then so be it. Not like I am going to get another chance to inspect someone anyway.

Well I think we need to lynch you.
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Post Post #4860 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:25 pm

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@Beast

In post 4828, beastcharizard wrote:Wow, how convenient that you just happen to be the same role that i claimed.

GM, I didn't want to put myself by calling reinoe mafia so I tried to get someone else to say mafia was in the game first so I didn't look look like a cop.


also please re write the bold above using more words.
(I guess about 3 times as many or more in at leats 3 sentences.) Ta.

@GM I know you claim not to be reading my posts, but if you (
actually are
<OMG maybe he lied too>) are there are questions I would like to ask you.

carrot? I'd need the answers if you ever want me to vote Thor with you, especially to vote him because you say so.
stick? ...
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Post Post #4861 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:26 pm

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Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:54 pm

In post 4853, reinoe wrote:
In post 4851, reinoe wrote:
Could someone voting me explain how beast's play this game is town?

Ugh can't believe this shit. Somebody who's voting me xplain how beasts play this game is town.

]The above is why you don't phone post between calls.

I'm gonna just scum-hunt when I get home.
--->But I'll point out Beast's remarkable silence after fake-claiming.<---

Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:10 pm

In post 4854, beastcharizard wrote:
I was at work when I claimed thank you very much. You are scum and everyone knows it. Also, I explain why I played the way I did. I have mad a lurky doing nothing meta for myself as town lately so I thought this would be the perfect time to see if I could do that and survive as a PR. So yesterday I pretended to be behind and be useless.

If yall need to lynch me first to see that reinoe is scum then so be it. Not like I am going to get another chance to inspect someone anyway
.

Total elapsed time 16 minutes after being called out. Not a record but a good hard try. With a little more F5 refreshing you could have had that record for most rapid appearance after being called out for lurking.
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Post Post #4862 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:27 pm

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So beast, if you have such a huge problem with asking "who is town"...

1) why did you do it?

2) why didn't you interrogate me about it?
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Post Post #4863 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:32 pm

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I had a problem with Boonskiies play...

In post 3183, reinoe wrote:
In post 3179, TierShift wrote:so...you're assuming boon truthfully claims his role as SK?


If he's already pm'ed the mod and know he's immune to cops sure why not? He's immune to gunsmiths. His BP claim will look legit to rolecops. A SK can last a long time in a large by just being UTR and by claiming BP he can avoid scum kills. My concern is that he claims BP in order to draw a NK. That makes 0 sense even from a VI p.o.v. It's all WIFOM but I want Boon to explain it with an excuse besides "oh yeah I'm a VI lolz". Town BP have every incentive to deliberately draw kills. That's literally a town BP's job. Attempt to draw a NK. Now I'm not sure how someone actually does that but "herp a derp I'm VI lolz" is not one of them.

And I'm pressuring someone I have a problem with...
In post 3239, reinoe wrote:
In post 3225, Boonskiies wrote:@Reinoe - I claimed town 2 shot bulletproof neighbor because that is what my role pm says. I had like five votes on me for reasons. I was obviously trying to draw a NK. I'm not a good town player, let's be honest. I suck while I'm town and make no logic.

TBH, I'm done pushing the issue. Your answer's not satisfactory but I will hope you eventually get tired of playing the various variants of "hey I'm just no good at this". I hope you realize that...

1)sk is almost always bulletproof

2)scum factions hate shooting someone who's bulletproof. Your claim makes it therefore highly unlikely you'll be nightkilled.

p:edit. what? Is thor really at L-1 already? sigh.

And a conclusion...

In post 4826, reinoe wrote:You'll all be happy to know that I got a not-mafia result on boonskies. Because that's how cops in multi-ball get results. Not in the forM of "guilty" "not guilty".


Somebody show me the trajectory of beast's being suspicious of me and why he would investigate.
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Post Post #4864 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:39 pm

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Last post for the night...
In post 4806, reinoe wrote:
@Nero and TSO...

Did Scripten discuss anyone a lot or refuse to discuss anyone in the game?

:roll:
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Post Post #4865 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:00 pm

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In post 4864, reinoe wrote:Last post for the night...
In post 4806, reinoe wrote:
@Nero and TSO...

Did Scripten discuss anyone a lot or refuse to discuss anyone in the game?

:roll:

Oh, this is in regards to neighborhood talk during Night 2.
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Post Post #4866 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:20 pm

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In post 4823, beastcharizard wrote:
In post 4813, Shiro wrote:Beast again explain how scriptens ww flips makes me scum
Also
Vote:Beast

Till u do and the reason makes sense.


Their first non-Rvs vote on you looks like bussing to me. I am not trying to lynch you today so you can be a little more calm about it. You can go down in a couple days after reinoe and good morning.


How does it look like bussing?

and really. Your 'best' scum reads from the entire game of posts are looks like bussing?


Dor Threads info:
First
ww!Scripten
non RVS vote was on Shiro/
WBOCampfire
/
Cho
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In post 362, Scripten wrote:Have a few minor reads.

TSO seems mildly town. Toby and Tiershift feel town. (Tier feels quite town, in fact.)

Nero Cain looks a little suspicious. Cho feels like scum to me.

UNVOTE: Thor665
VOTE: Cho
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Post Post #4867 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:34 pm

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In post 4826, reinoe wrote:You'll all be happy to know that I got a not-mafia result on boonskies. Because that's how cops in multi-ball get results. Not in the forM of "guilty" "not guilty".


This post can literally only come from scum. Multiball can't be confirmed until a flip of mafia is seen. They know they are mafia so they know it is multiball.

Also, lynch me first. IDGAF. I found scum and I got the town rolling.

rephrase:
@GM: I only asked about setup spec so that someone else would introduce the idea of mafia being in the game. I felt like if I just out and said I thought reinoe was mafia that the mafia would realize I was some sort of investigative role because they only people who would know that mafia is in the game is: 1. Mafia, 2. Power roles who are searching for mafia.
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Post Post #4868 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:43 pm

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In post 4822, Slandaar wrote:VOTE: Reinoe

I loved your point btw Beast.


I just felt bad if I voted Reinoe after yesterday... but now it's OK.

In post 2170, beastcharizard wrote:So,
who is town
and who is scum?


In post 4807, beastcharizard wrote:They(reinoe) asked someone who is TOWN, not scum. If you know the scum you know the town. That is just not a normal question.

What do you think about his "point" now Slandaar?
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Post Post #4869 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:56 pm

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In post 4867, beastcharizard wrote:Also, lynch me first. IDGAF. I found scum and I got the town rolling.


egads that is a tempting thought.

especially seeing as you already assessed your own contribution to the game as
In post 4820, beastcharizard wrote:Since I have no credibility I should just claim.


AKA if you are as you claim town then primarily useful as an outed PR scum need to shoot soonish.

@
town!beast
: Please answer
4866 may clarify part of 4858 which you may feel you have answered but I have specific questions about.
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Post Post #4870 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:08 pm

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could someone unvote at least before thor gets back from V/LA and quickhammers. G'night.
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Post Post #4871 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:34 pm

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unvote
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
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Post Post #4872 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:52 pm

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In post 4870, reinoe wrote:could someone unvote at least before thor gets back from V/LA and quickhammers. G'night.


Considering the numbers of mee tooo voters...
I'd regard someone quick hammering you (now)
as a hard claim that the game is MB and they are on the other team, even if you flip non town...

In post 4777, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 4746, T S O wrote:I'm presuming we have a Vig because unless everyone here has a PR SK + multiball is bullshit. though I've played with it before and won convincingly.


Bro there's no vig if axle is alive.


Flub prolly thinks that would the reason, that no matter who was town vig this game then they would have definitely shot me.

He also apparently has some way to know I am not a town vig....

either that or the Bro's buddy is full of it and mouthing meaningless words instead of you know....
although I suppose I could always have been expected to shoot myself.
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Post Post #4873 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:31 pm

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In post 4826, reinoe wrote:You'll all be happy to know that I got a not-mafia result on boonskies. Because that's how cops in multi-ball get results. Not in the forM of "guilty" "not guilty".


Actually, based on the cop wiki, it's up to mod discretion:

Variations

The exact wording of the Cop's result is not standardized, with the following options being most common.
Mafia/Not Mafia
- This only checks if the target is Mafia-aligned. Werewolves, Serial Killers or other third-party members thus have implicit investigation immunity.
Town/Not Town - All non-Town players will return an incriminating result, even if they are benign in practice (e.g. Survivor or other third parties with nonstandard Win Conditions).
Guilty/Not Guilty
- Non-Town roles return incriminating or non-incriminating results depending on the moderator's decision.


I'm still unsure what to make of the two claims, but I felt it was necessary to point out that beast's claim is not invalidated by producing "guilty"/"not guilty" results as you stated.
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