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Actually, no, I want to talk to Pine first about stuff scum would know.

VOTE: Thor

I don't see why not at this point. We're gonna be fucked either way.

VOTE: Pine

I'll stay on Pine until he responds to some stuff, actually.

In post 6223, T S O wrote:A Mafia claim is an Innocent Child

because an innocent child is modconfirmed innocent child
whereas pine could be lying out of his hole

I don't think you understand the current gamestate.
Lynching a claimed Mafia is inherently bad play today unless they are Mafia and you are a Wolf.

And yet you're whining about me not wanting to lynch them.
Derp much?

And that's exactly why fake claiming mafia as a wolf is a good play. There's 6 people. If one of the two wolves claim mafia, it makes the odds so much greater for them. They have a lynch pool of 4 different people they can lynch and be fine. They fail, they're still alive. They really don't have much to lose. Town and mafia, on the other hand, LOSE if they don't lynch one of two people today. It's an obvious fake claim.

In post 6228, Thor665 wrote:

In post 6223, T S O wrote:A Mafia claim is an Innocent Child

because an innocent child is modconfirmed innocent child
whereas pine could be lying out of his hole

I don't think you understand the current gamestate.
Lynching a claimed Mafia is inherently bad play today unless they are Mafia and you are a Wolf.

I don't think you understand how lying works. If you did, you'd see the reason that Boonskiies and I -don't- immediately trust the claim, while you do.

Thor is not that bad as town.

I know that, T S O. Also, there is no reason him as mafia would be going this route.

I think I'm willing to change my vote to Thor.

In post 4199, Thor665 wrote:

In post 2532, Thor665 wrote:Hey, GM, I'm keeping you in mind.

Crumb.

Not that this should come as a shock since besides claiming VT when being a scum PR - the only thing I ever lie about in claims is alignment.

I was thinking about this.

It makes perfect sense for Thor to be an Odd-Night Roleblocker with this claim as scum. He quite probably -did- block goodmorning with this. It's a clever claim because if someone had used their PR on him, it would seem like he was telling the truth, yet blocking goodmorning had scum motivation because gm was sure he was scum.

And, as well as that, it ties in brilliantly with the set-up - because reinoe, flipped Mafia, was an Even-Night Roleblocker.

Yeah. I'm more confident on Thor than I am Pine - Pine could actually be Mafia here.

VOTE: Thor

I still think Pine's a wolf, but I initially was going for Thor/Pine partners, so now I'm back to this.

In post 6227, Boonskiies wrote:VOTE: Pine

I'll stay on Pine until he responds to some stuff, actually.

I'm confident enough not to wait after all of this.

If Slandaar/Nero are the wolf team, I'm gonna flip a lid.

In post 6231, Boonskiies wrote:And that's exactly why fake claiming mafia as a wolf is a good play. There's 6 people. If one of the two wolves claim mafia, it makes the odds so much greater for them. They have a lynch pool of 4 different people they can lynch and be fine. They fail, they're still alive. They really don't have much to lose. Town and mafia, on the other hand, LOSE if they don't lynch one of two people today. It's an obvious fake claim.

That is only a win for wolves if they lynch Mafia - if they don't then Mafia shoots the fakeclaimed Wolf, right?
What am I missing here?

In post 6232, T S O wrote:I don't think you understand how lying works. If you did, you'd see the reason that Boonskiies and I -don't- immediately trust the claim, while you do.

I do understand how lying works - and you even appear to be coming around to the shocking concept that we can't afford to lynch a claimed Mafia player without a counterclaim yet you are somehow then suggesting me figuring this out quicker than you equates to me playing badly because I "believe" him?
How does that make sense exactly?

why would someone as mafia counter claim?

If Pine is a wolf, and mafia counter claims, that auto wins the game for wolves unless mafia gets a lucky crosskill. Wolves will shoot mafia in the night and win the game.

In post 6242, Boonskiies wrote:why would someone as mafia counter claim?

In post 6243, Boonskiies wrote:If Pine is a wolf, and mafia counter claims, that auto wins the game for wolves unless mafia gets a lucky crosskill. Wolves will shoot mafia in the night and win the game.

How many wolves do you think are currently alive exactly?

2. which is why it's nearly flawless of a plan for wolves. it's not an autowin if mafia gets a lucky cross kill. we would have one more day.

No, no, no. Pine is trying to draw out the actual mafia. agh....i dont know who to vote.

Okay, so now we're into 'not autowin' territory.

So what's your issue with my plan exactly if it's not a wolf autowin?

you and pine are wolves together. that's the issue.

I'll make it nice and easy to understand, Thor.

Pine could be Wolf, or could be Mafia.
Pine has claimed Mafia today, but we have to lynch a Wolf. Therefore, we can't lynch Pine if Pine's telling the truth or we lose.
However, Pine could be lying, and could be a Wolf - making our odds of lynching a Wolf quite low.
A silly man called Thor665 is auto-clearing Pine, because no-one has counterclaimed Pine's Mafia claim yet.
He does not understand that counterclaiming would be suicide for the Mafia player, and so there will not be a counterclaim.
Because there won't be a counterclaim, this means that Pine has been cleared, for nothing, with no proof.