NY 178: MASQUERADE -- GAME OVER

[Josh_B]

Welcome to the game Josh!

Sorry you had to replace into a scum slot. Who're your scumbuddies?

I wish I could have been that lucky this game. Fill me in on what's happened so far, please.

[Josh_B]

can you guys explain to me what you're arguing about? Should Boonskies be getting more pressure or is that relevant?

Is boonskies a neighbor?

I've read about 20 pages so far, my first impression is that tobyloby is scum.

Axel, none of the posts you showed me make me think scum GM at all. I haven't really looked into thor or boonskies yet, but are they scumier than you?

[Josh_B]

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around what's going on in this game. I really feel like I should be reading up on this game further unless everyone want to join the Fonz wagon with me that hasn't started yet.

VOTE: the Fonz

I'm feeling like Thor and Dave are attempting to WK if a non present garmr lynch happens. From what I can tell of scripten's case, he seems genuine, but it's wrong. It seems obvious that he's tunneling on a "null-scum" read that he pointed out from earlier in the game.

GM is being rather direct this game compared to the vagueness she usually uses as scum. This push that's building up on her seems scum motivated, I would still easily support a Thor lynch if fonz wagon doesn't pick up in the next couple of days.

[Josh_B]

I don't think I've ever been told not to vote someone so vehemently especially in a situation where others actually thought the person I was voting was scum.

It's clear that Thor is today's wanted lynch. Considering the recent play, Thor seems to be holding onto to a claim the closer we get to deadline, the harder it will be to reverse a wagon if it goes higher.

I'm putting my vote back on Thor.

VOTE: Thor

[Josh_B]

Squirell, you aren't really giving me much to work with here.

YOu don' seem to be interested in actually starting another wagon even though it's your head that on' the chopping block.

[Josh_B]

Why not move and reinvigorate it?
It's less dead than your wagon of choice at the moment.

^This... is actually what I'm seeing from the game too. Thor is actually right that there isn't much vote movement. I don't feel like there's time for me to seriously put any pressure on anyone else, but I can tell that this is going to be a much different game for me.

You accusse people for not pushing yada yada but the last couple days your pushes have been pretty weak to none existant.
Have u even pushed any wagon past 3 votes ?

^Having no support for any of his pushes would actually alignment indicative of town Thor. However, they have thus far been shallow, reaching, and vague. I'm agreeing with Shiro, but I think this is just being used to throw dirt. Shiro where are you at in the game?

pedit: ninja'd
ppedit: ninja, ninja, ninja'd
ppedit: uggh why wait until the last second?

[Josh_B]

Thor, I don't understand why you would want a GM lynch earlier if you Jailkept her. What were the results?

[Josh_B]

Thor, I don't understand why you would want a GM lynch earlier if you Jailkept her. What were the results?

The results were that I submitted a JK on GM.
How do you think I should have read it?

It didn't have any affect.- unless you feel like a third NK is missing. But even then it's 50/50 on whether or not you blocked her or saved her, so that's null.
The claim has no use at this point other than saying that you're a named townie.

VOTE: dave

[Josh_B]

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it just popped into my head.

I dont get it nobody thinks beast is a bad lynch. Most see him at worst as average So why not ? Nobody agrees af anything othrr than beast isnt such a bsd choice. So why not ?

@Thor

If beast wagon does go anywhere I am voting Dave.

Why beast first ? Cause that how I feel. Both lean scum for me

@Slandar-sempai would u consider beast ?

P.Edit

I see kk slander if none. I am giving beast wagon a day before leaving it though.

I don't get it. How will more beast votes justify you voting for Dave?

Also this...

If you think the Gm push is scum motivated then your vote should be on Thor.

Reinoe, you didn't mention that Axel has been pushing the GM wagon all game. That's pretty important information to know.

[Josh_B]

EBWOP: Also thor was also pushing GM at the time. Again, if you think the GM push is scum motivated am I wrong in thinking that you should be putting your vote on thor? After all...

thor was pushing GM+JOSH thinks the GM Push is scum motivate=josh' vote should be on thor who doing things scum motivated.

Is the above equation wrong? Are you saying you think thor is town but axle is not? Please elaborate.

I don't have fully developed context of everyone's position in the game yet. I am starting to get a better understanding of how the thor/GM situation started. And after Thor's recent post I'm starting to think that Thor's position is more OMGUS on her part.

Axle's position seems more organic. If I'm going to point fingers at the GM wagon (that has interest and not votes) It seems like Axle is more the proprietor of GM scum than Thor. I think you would know that though, and point the finger that way instead.

This game is multiball right? I'm going to vote Dave right now and see if there's more to Axle than meet's the eye. I can't vote everyone calling for a GM wagon at once, but dave, slandaar, scripten, and Axel are more interesting to me in that situation than Thor is right now. And I'm voting Dave.

[Josh_B]

@Josh: There were 2 kills last Night. This doesn't tell us whether multiball, SK, or Vig, nor does it tell us whether there could be a third killing role which we have not yet seen.

I guess I'm not as far behind on this subject as I thought. I'll look into early D2 to see if there's some indication. This..

This game is Normal, which means that the following hold:
All players have one of the following alignments: Town, Mafia, Werewolf, Serial Killer.
There is at least one Mafia or Werewolf faction; either or both of these could be in the game.

although generic, has it's own implications by the fact that it's included in the OP.

[Josh_B]

@Josh B
Please clarify what pointing fingers means, and whether or not it is under the assumption ... if GM flips town/scum (or is independent of that).

pointing fingers=FOS. I am scum hunting off the Invisible GM wagon. I just came out of a GM scum game, and even though I got hosed by town reading her in that game, I can already see huge differences in her playstyle from that one to this and I'm giving it a solid town read.
I'm including the fact that the wagon itself is made up largely of indirect claims and very little direct votes, which is also indicative of town slot.

[Josh_B]

Stop fucking skimming.

stop fucking skimming

This is actually amusing, and not in a ha ha sort of way either. GM you're in the neighborhood, what are your reads on Iz and Shiro.

[Josh_B]

nt player and that, in and of itself, makes my read on your slot wiggle a bit, but I want to know what you think about your slot's play so far.

Was he smart aleky, self assured, and over dramatic? I don't have a ton of experience with him but that's how he acts from what I've seen.

[Josh_B]

But to me not as scummy, hence likely to flip scum, as the people I have been voting today.

Then I have to ask you, how do you feel about all of the support the wagon has even though it looks like this..

Votecount 2.12

[1]

goodmorning:

Thor665

you should be voting Dave with me. These...

<Dave thinks some in the shower>
CLICK!


VOTE: goodmorning

Reason: Gamestate ephiphany

Thor, how certain are you that GM is the right player to wagon at this time? Just a sniff, rock solid, somewhere in between?

Mafia roles are also power roles. I guess our PR isn't town.

VOTE: Thor

make it an excellent vote. and if I'm right, it's going to clear both GM and Thor.

[Josh_B]

GM, reinoe, you two should come on board too.

[Josh_B]

A third NK? I'm convinced that Thor is likely scum. +

I can easily see Tier as a scum shot.
Both Fonz and Scripten strike me as slightly unusual scum shots considering the pushes they made and the attention they had.

I read this as trying to paint two of the kills in a positive light. Fonz kill does seem like a scum kill to me- going after the opposing team.
I don't have a lot to go on but PoE, Scripten kill could have came from Nero or Reinoe based on the vibes I have from them.

[Josh_B]

VOTE: Josh_B

Garmr

Slot

Can you please move your vote to actual scum?
It would probably look like this

VOTE: Thor

[Josh_B]

I believe beast.

VOTE: reinoe

[Josh_B]

I have totally not had time for mafia this week. Happy thanksgiving everyone.

[Josh_B]

OK nothing new has really happened. I still believe beast charizard's claim over reinoe's. because...

I did nvestigate boon.

I got a

not-mafia

result.

Cuz you know his claim was dicey and that's what a good cop would do.

doesn't make total sense when there's a

werewolf

faction.

[Josh_B]

At this point, multiball is super confirmed. We have Reinoe saying that he is a cop who get's mafia/not mafia results, when we have a flipped werewolf. And we have Beast saying that he gets Guilty/not guilty, which is normal, but if he's a gunsmith, he would probably be getting positive/negative results.

I"m going back to the idea that Reinoe, if you've been getting mafia/not mafia results, instead of guilty/not guilty, you've known this is multiball for a long time and just haven't said anything.

[Josh_B]

reading this again, Reinoe's role is looking to be anti-mafia specifically and unless there's some sort of anti-werewolf counter part to confirm, the faction cop serves a more positive function for the the werewolves than town overall.

[Josh_B]

no its not.

Don't be a tool. We have three NK's with a player claiming to be a faction cop (or least getting faction-type results) against mafia and a werewolf flip. What's it going to take to super confirm multiball in your mind?