NY 184: a help (done)

[Ankamius]

You think you'd have enough towncred from just bussing Lostaway? After all you and Lostaway were nearly lynched and EPM had a solid wagon on him at some point too? It's kind of important to get all the towncred you can in that position and having a plan beyond that is a very good idea when you're going to go as a solo scum for the rest of the game.

Yeah, my plan would be to not go the game as a solo scum and instead to push a lynch on you, whether or not it goes down.

Scum me doesn't need to lynch you.

Town me does.

So which is it?

If you're not referring back to this, then you need to learn how to context.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

oops

[RadiantCowbells]

If I were scum I'd be perfectly content to push a lynch on you and have it not go through.

It's only because I'm town that I actually have to have it succeed to win.

[vonflare]

I want both of you to give a reason why the other person left me alive last night and killed elyse instead.

[RadiantCowbells]

You were scumreading me, Elyse was townreading me, and Elyse is the better scumhunter by far.

[RadiantCowbells]

Are you surprised that mafia would want you alive in LyLo over Elyse?

you shouldn't be.

[Ankamius]

1. I was being antagonistic towards you for your lack of activity thr last couple day phases. This negative impression gibves RC an advantage in LyLo.
2. You were far less into the loop about the game. It would be much easier for one to forge a case for a player that is less likely to spot the contradictions.
3. Elyse has seen my townplay multiple times, including me at my most effective. Anyone trying to cross-reference my experience with both you and her would not risk Elyse recognizing my townplay in the end of the game, since I caught her in LyLo in the past.

[RadiantCowbells]

1. I was being antagonistic towards you for your lack of activity thr last couple day phases. This negative impression gibves RC an advantage in LyLo.

You were encouraging a player to be more active and that's supposed to be a mark against you?

I actually never noticed that. You needed Vonflare more invested in the game because you didn't want him just speedvoting you out of the gate today.

2. You were far less into the loop about the game. It would be much easier for one to forge a case for a player that is less likely to spot the contradictions.

Why would I need to forge a case?

This entire game says scum!Jake, up to and including his spat with OS leading to his replace out, and then the rest of it.

The fact that we're even talking here is a testament to the effectiveness of the choice to kill Elyse.

Elyse has seen my townplay multiple times, including me at my most effective. Anyone trying to cross-reference my experience with both you and her would not risk Elyse recognizing my townplay in the end of the game, since I caught her in LyLo in the past.

Same is true for me, since I've played like 5 consecutive games with her.

Who was she townreading the entire game again?

[vonflare]

You were scumreading me, Elyse was townreading me, and Elyse is the better scumhunter by far.

yeah, that's what I expected you to say.

Are you surprised that mafia would want you alive in LyLo over Elyse?

you shouldn't be.

im not

1. I was being antagonistic towards you for your lack of activity thr last couple day phases. This negative impression gibves RC an advantage in LyLo.
2. You were far less into the loop about the game. It would be much easier for one to forge a case for a player that is less likely to spot the contradictions.
3. Elyse has seen my townplay multiple times, including me at my most effective. Anyone trying to cross-reference my experience with both you and her would not risk Elyse recognizing my townplay in the end of the game, since I caught her in LyLo in the past.

can you quote yourself being 'antagonistic' towards me?

You needed Vonflare more invested in the game because you didn't want him just speedvoting you out of the gate today.

why would I do that?

[RadiantCowbells]

Because Matt said so.

Wasn't really a likelihood given your reads but I guess Ank was worried about it.

[Ankamius]

I'm specifically waiting to see if Vonflare's going to do anything ever, but whatever.

VOTE: Mattp

Just that one. I thought I had more than that, but I guess not.

[vonflare]

I'm specifically waiting to see if Vonflare's going to do anything ever, but whatever.

VOTE: Mattp

Just that one. I thought I had more than that, but I guess not.

mmmhmmmm

[Ankamius]

You needed Vonflare more invested in the game because you didn't want him just speedvoting you out of the gate today.

This is very fascinating when your argument for why I left vonflare alive is because he was scumreading you and townreading me. You think I'd be trying to get him to read up in the game and form updated reads instead of trying to get him stuck in this mindset?

[quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p7022959]2. You were far less into the loop about the game. It would be much easier for one to forge a case for a player that is less likely to spot the contradictions.

Why would I need to forge a case?

This entire game says scum!Jake, up to and including his spat with OS leading to his replace out, and then the rest of it.[/quote]

This is a scum response. He's trying to discredit my statement instead of either trying to get me to substantiate my claim or use it to try to prove I'm scum.

[quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p7022959]Elyse has seen my townplay multiple times, including me at my most effective. Anyone trying to cross-reference my experience with both you and her would not risk Elyse recognizing my townplay in the end of the game, since I caught her in LyLo in the past.[/quote]

Same is true for me, since I've played like 5 consecutive games with her.

Who was she townreading the entire game again?[/quote]

I'm pretty sure Elyse wasn't scumreading this slot for anything I did; the vast majority of the suspicion was my predecessor, if not all of it.

Regardless, at this point it's just null. Point #2 was the primary one I was going for in the first place.

[Ankamius]

@Mod: Can you fix that quote for me please?

[RadiantCowbells]

Notice that he didn't disagree with anything I said, he just basically said "I'm only scum because Jake was scum!"

The rest is pure nonsense.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean yeah, you definitely played a lot better than Jake.

You're still scum though.

[RadiantCowbells]

And it's still a hell of a lot less unfair than me having to sit through all these craptastic lynches.

[Ankamius]

Notice that he didn't disagree with anything I said, he just basically said "I'm only scum because Jake was scum!"

The rest is pure nonsense.

Deflect harder, thanks.

[RadiantCowbells]

Waffle harder, thanks.

I used a buzzword so it makes it true.

Who was she townreading the entire game again?

I'm pretty sure Elyse wasn't scumreading this slot for anything I did; the vast majority of the suspicion was my predecessor, if not all of it.

Not like I can deflect given that you haven't presented any arguments for RC!scum besides "I wouldn't have lurked all game as scum!" and "I'm only being scumread because of Jake slot!"

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh, I forgot "Why wouldn't I have killed RC when he was nearly the lynch D1 and I had clears and PRs to kill later."

That's a really solid one that I hadn't taken into consideration.

[Ankamius]

Deflect harder, thanks.

[RadiantCowbells]

Waffle harder, thanks.

[Bicephalous Bob]

Official Vote Count

Ankamius

(1): RadiantCowbells

RadiantCowbells

(1): Ankamius

Not Voting

(1): vonflare

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-07-10 12:51:14)

[vonflare]

if i had to decide now, I would vote ank.

also deflect waffles thx

[Ankamius]

Look at what RC has been doing today and it should be kind of obvious he's scum. His latest attack was trying to pass off half my posts as if they didn't exist, for fuck's sake.