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Post Post #4875 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:14 pm

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I just remembered that my first few posts were me acting as a kitten.
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Post Post #4876 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:47 pm

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Oh yeah! That pissed me off at the time

I have some issues with setup. Town had a fuckton of power, scum had a negative utility, and motion detector has the possibility of being just as misleading as helpful.
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Post Post #4877 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:12 pm

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Post Post #4878 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:12 pm

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Nos what was your previous avi.
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Post Post #4879 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:13 pm

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Also sorry for shootin ya
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Post Post #4880 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:21 pm

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In post 4876, Pine wrote:Town had a fuckton of power, scum had a negative utility, and motion detector has the possibility of being just as misleading as helpful.
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Post Post #4881 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:45 pm

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Scum usually complain about town power. Here, scum won despite shooting their own traitor. Not really sure I'd agree w balance complaints. I'd have been fine w gunsmith being a tracker instead, but I didn't object to the boost there and still think it's well within standard balance range.
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Post Post #4882 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:51 pm

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I mean, Traitor was instead of, not in addition to, the standard fourth team member for this number. And motion detector is -almost- like "why bother".

Don't get me wrong, I dig the idea of a Traitor done this way, but to call a spade a spade, it's a heavy handicap, and the fact that we killed ours N1 proves it.

PEdit: No no, you misunderstand. We won DESPITE the balance. This was heavily Townsided. I often defend mods and reviewers, but this is akin to that scene from Men of Honor, where the racist instructors slash a big hole in Cuba Gooding's toolbag before tossing it into the water. We were hamstrung from the start. Again, that's okay, but you ALSO chose to give Town a bunch of power. Either by themselves would be fine, both wasn't a fair shake.
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Post Post #4883 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:04 pm

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Two masons, a vig, a gunsmith and something that was both largely useless and a reasonably plausible scum power. In a 13v4 vs, say, four goons and daytalk, that's a tad light, especially since the gunsmith could out the vig (and town vanilla cop is decent odds to get lynched w a guilty there), and a GS guilty isn't a hard guilty if on scum (and traitor gets an innocent from GS as well).

Some of it gets back to "what we think balance ought to be" vs "what balance actually is". I think balance here was fine, especially in light of some other large single ball normal setups that have gone out. There were plenty of vts, so scum could win without ever needing to lynch a pr. Town power was decent but poorly coordinated and with a very reasonable chance of mutually interfering (gs on vanilla cop or vig or traitor, vig on any town pr).

I approved this for balance and would do so again.
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Post Post #4884 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:18 pm

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This is likely not a thing we will come to an agreement to you, so I will bow out of this thread with a respectful nod of the head to my worthy opponents in the Town, who made this game a very, very close thing indeed, and quite memorable.

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Post Post #4885 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:23 pm

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In post 7, Pine wrote:Why the fuck would you claim that right away? Has site meta regarding Masons changed while I was gone?
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Post Post #4886 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:38 pm

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What did I tell you
1) Don't lynch the obv town Tywin
2) Lynch fucking pine because a role blocker does not fit in this set up

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Post Post #4887 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:28 pm

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Pine is much more mature than me but I will say that the games conclusion=//=balanced and then drop it.
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Post Post #4888 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:48 pm

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I knew I would get flak for the balance, but it is good and I do not care.
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Post Post #4889 (ISO) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:45 am

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Scum still should have had a bp or roleblocker though. I'm fine with the town balance here because all of the roles can just trip and fall on their face, but scum had a super negative utility role and then....a motion detector?

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Post Post #4890 (ISO) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:54 am

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it's ok, no one understands how balance works
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Post Post #4891 (ISO) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:07 am

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In post 4878, Alisae wrote:Nos what was your previous avi.
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Post Post #4892 (ISO) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:13 am

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Pine was obvscum for the last4ish days imo but still played decent. Aj is just a scummy player and easy to ML, I've seen that quite a bit. Ah well, grats scum!
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Post Post #4893 (ISO) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:43 am

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^ who? ^
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Post Post #4894 (ISO) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:11 am

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ironic lol
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Post Post #4895 (ISO) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:37 pm

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Post Post #4896 (ISO) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:31 am

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