Open 60: The New C9 - Game over!

[Jesse Gunn]

Maybe I need firefox. When I hit back, it's the same old suspended account page. From now on, I'll just Ctrl-C everything I type.

[MadCrawdad]

unvote

Still no word from Six Aces. Perhaps sis advised him to lay low?

FoS: Six Aces

[somestrangeflea]

Mod: Votecount please?

Seconded.

Unvote

, at least until Six Aces decides to say some words...

[farside22]

I would like to hear this out and I think Jesse may have just done a newbie mistake.

Unvote:

[Six Aces]

Ok sorry about the delay. I know you guys are just dieing to hear a response from me, and I would have posted one sooner but it seemed like every time I tried the site was having "technical difficulties."
So Jesse Gun pretty much just claimed cop with a guilty on me if anyone missed that part. But what "gets my goat" is that he claimed with no real reasoning behind it. He was getting a little pressure and it cracked him. (A little pressure normally does not crack a person who knows they are innocent.) And once this crack happened he decided that the only way to save himself from being lynched (which confuses me because in my opinion he was not extremely close to being lynched he was just being questioned) was to claim and along with his claim to choose a target to claim guilty on to hopefully get someone lynched and survive through the day.

[farside22]

Ok sorry about the delay. I know you guys are just dieing to hear a response from me, and I would have posted one sooner but it seemed like every time I tried the site was having "technical difficulties."
So Jesse Gun pretty much just claimed cop with a guilty on me if anyone missed that part. But what "gets my goat" is that he claimed with no real reasoning behind it. He was getting a little pressure and it cracked him. (A little pressure normally does not crack a person who knows they are innocent.) And once this crack happened he decided that the only way to save himself from being lynched (which confuses me because in my opinion he was not extremely close to being lynched he was just being questioned) was to claim and along with his claim to choose a target to claim guilty on to hopefully get someone lynched and survive through the day.

My issue with this statement is there is more likely then not at least one cop. I haven't seen anyone attempt a counter claim of any sort. I will grant you he should have played his hand better. If that is your best defense against the claim I'm just not buying it.

vote: Six Aces

[Justin Playfair]

Boiling down Six Aces’ response above he:

(1) claims that a little pressure usually doesn’t crack a person who is innocent (wrong)

(2) says that it was strange for Jesse to crack under so little pressure (right, but it makes a tiny bit more sense if he’s telling the truth and already had a great big secret that he was busting to tell than if he’s lying and just trading the possibility of being lynched today with the certainty of being lynched tomorrow, if Six Aces comes up town [the subset of this, that Jesse is bussing Six Aces under these conditions, is possible but seems far-fetched])

(3) states that Jesse only chose Six Aces after he got in trouble (wrong again, and in retrospect it is easy to see the hints Jesse tried to drop, and in fact even his post to me makes more sense in the context of him having a great big suspect he wanted everyone to look at)

So…

Vote: Six Aces

Seriously, though, Jesse Gun? You weren’t under much pressure at all, you were nowhere close to being in danger of being lynched, and if you are with town there were ways you could have communicated what you knew more subtly.

[Six Aces]

My issue with this statement is there is more likely then not at least one cop. I haven't seen anyone attempt a counter claim of any sort. I will grant you he should have played his hand better. If that is your best defense against the claim I'm just not buying it.

vote: Six Aces

Well... I was really hoping I wouldn't have to do this, but it is looking like you guys actually believe him. I'm the doc... You are now probably thinking something along the lines of: [sarcasm]"Wow I didn't expect that..."[/sarcasm]. But I really hope you guys will listen to the truth, instead of believing a newbie who thinks he can get away with a false-claim on Day 1.

[LaptopGun]

I have to agree with justin. It is more likely my opposite number screwedup but is telling the truth. Six aces, I find your doc claim to be false. I've seen gunn's demeanor and I've seen yours and I find his consistent with scared Newbie. I just don't buy your role claim.

vote six aces

[MadCrawdad]

vote: Six Aces

[/quote]
Well... I was really hoping I wouldn't have to do this, but it is looking like you guys actually believe him. I'm the doc... You are now probably thinking something along the lines of: [sarcasm]"Wow I didn't expect that..."[/sarcasm]. But I really hope you guys will listen to the truth, instead of believing a newbie who thinks he can get away with a false-claim on Day 1.[/quote]

I think it was apparent that folks were strongly considering the cop claim before your initial response... If you had really been hoping that you didn't need to role claim, I would have expected a stronger initial response to the cop claim.

[MadCrawdad]

EBWOP

unvote

The vote for Six Aces in my most recent post was in error... Was actually part of a quote that I had pulled then omitted.

I do suspect that Six Aces is likely scum, but would like to see a vote count before voting.

[Justin Playfair]

Hmm...

Given Farside22's comment and SixAces' response let me state as emphatically as possible that we do not need counterclaims to either of these two claims, and in fact they would be useless, as the first post points out that both these roles could have 0-2 owners.

[farside22]

Hmm...

Given Farside22's comment and SixAces' response let me state as emphatically as possible that we do not need counterclaims to either of these two claims, and in fact they would be useless, as the first post points out that both these roles could have 0-2 owners.

I agree with that. At this point one of the two of them is lying that I have no doubt about.

[-TinVision-]

Second Official Vote Count

Six Aces (7)

: Jesse Gunn, kabenon007, ryan, vollkan, farside22, Justin Playfair, LaptopGun

MadCrawdad (1)

: Shteven

Wesaq (1)

: Spacecase

farside22 (1)

: The Fonz

kabenon007 (1)

: Wesaq

LaptopGun (1)

: OpposedForce

Shteven (1)

: Six Aces

Spacecase (1)

: Phate

vollkan (1)

: Oman

Not Voting (3)

: Peers, MadCrawdad, somestrangeflea

With 18 alive, it remains 10 to lynch.

[The Fonz]

Hmm...

Given Farside22's comment and SixAces' response let me state as emphatically as possible that we do not need counterclaims to either of these two claims, and in fact they would be useless, as the first post points out that both these roles could have 0-2 owners.

I agree with that. At this point one of the two of them is lying that I have no doubt about.

YOU THINK!

In a game where all cops are sane, OF COURSE one of them is lying. So you're not actually saying anything.

I'm a

vote: Six Aces

. Jesse's claim is just atrocious play if he's mafia, whilst claiming doc makes perfect sense for a scum trying to say anything to stay alive.

[Phate]

Well, then, let's play follow-the-cop. Part of me doesn't like the speed of this wagon, but logically, lynching 6A is the play today.

Vote: Six Aces

[Six Aces]

Well, as the Burger King once said, "Have it your way."
Just want to wish you guess good luck, sense it seems your really going to go through with this. Good Bye Cruel World! Hopefully not though. Come on guys are you seriously going to believe him. I bet he is sitting back in his comfy little chair laughing his head off about how easy it was to start a bandwagon over a false-claim like that. But it doesn't look like it matters now, because I'm at -1 so the next person who reads the thread is going to hammer me.

[Jesse Gunn]

Is there a doc in the house? Please protect me, LOL.

[Six Aces]

Well, as the Burger King once said, "Have it your way."
Just want to wish you guess good luck, sense it seems your really going to go through with this. Good Bye Cruel World! Hopefully not though. Come on guys are you seriously going to believe him. I bet he is sitting back in his comfy little chair laughing his head off about how easy it was to start a bandwagon over a false-claim like that. But it doesn't look like it matters now, because I'm at -1 so the next person who reads the thread is going to hammer me.

[Six Aces]

Wow sorry about the double post that was delayed 30 minutes... This site has been going down quite a bit and every time I try to post I can't. Must have posted one and thought that I didn't.

[Peers]

Vote: Jesse Gunn

To everyone else, he apparently seems honest. To me? He feels like scum fishing to see if anyone counterclaims or not...

[LaptopGun]

Strangely appropriate avatar, Peers.

Anyhow I will agree that we went fast with Aces, but due to the actions of our apparently newbie power role we had to. I hate it. But I think Aces is mafia, and his defense however trunkated was not particuarly brilliant. The only thing that makes sense is that... Well that or the mafia fanned the thing. Its also possible one or two dumped Aces for jsut bad luck getting caught and are willing to make the trade 1 mafia for a cop.

I sincerely hope we have a doc or two... and one better not have just had a noose put around his neck (I don't believe so, but I'll achknowledge the possibility).

[The Fonz]

Well, as the Burger King once said, "Have it your way."
Just want to wish you guess good luck, sense it seems your really going to go through with this. Good Bye Cruel World! Hopefully not though. Come on guys are you seriously going to believe him. I bet he is sitting back in his comfy little chair laughing his head off about how easy it was to start a bandwagon over a false-claim like that. But it doesn't look like it matters now, because I'm at -1 so the next person who reads the thread is going to hammer me.

If you're not scum, he's hardly laughing, since he's going down tomorrow.

[Shteven]

I am uncomfortable with the speed of this lynch. Page 5 is not going to give us very much to go on for day 2. That said, I'll admit that even though I'm not very fond of jessie's soft claiming method, having a claimed guilty result is going to be a better chance than most day 1 lynches. With apologies to six aces, and your sister:

Vote: Six Aces

[somestrangeflea]

Vote: Jesse Gunn

To everyone else, he apparently seems honest. To me? He feels like scum fishing to see if anyone counterclaims or not...

I believe that at least one of the two is scum, and that Six Aces is the most likely of the two candidates up for lynch, simply because JG claimed Cop. I acknowledge the possibility that Jesse Gunn may be scum, but feel that it's unlikely.

I am uncomfortable with the speed of this lynch. Page 5 is not going to give us very much to go on for day 2.

I agree, but when you've got a "follow-the-cop" situation, can you really blame us? Even if JG is lying, he's dead tomorrow, and one scum within the first 2 days isn't a particularly bad thing...

This day is over.

Vote: Six Aces