Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Dunkerdoodles]

howdy

delegate: kokichi

cause why not

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@Mod For the votes for who is to host the World Congress, are those a "one and done" vote like Delegates?

Yes. Once you cast your delegate(s) when voting for a host OR a resolution, you cannot take back the delegates that you have cast for the rest of that voting cycle.

oh

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show me you're town and i'll consider it, Almost. though that isn't really your style.
talk to me about Kokichi? so far i haven't seen anything particularly AI from him.

Alright... I'm Town and I can prove it in many different way:

1- I could post my role PM and you will see I'm Town. Downside: I'll probably be permabanned and you won't have me as your hydra partner anymore.

2- I could hope for the bad nations to wage war at me and defeat me so I would flip. Downside: I can no longer enjoy playing this game and you may no longer make use of my utterly unmatched powers.

3- I can actually try to play the game. Downside: I won't be able to also prepare my meal, watch TV and get ready for the shower while actually trying to play the game properly.

4- I can look you in the eye and say "I'm Town" without twitching. Downside: You know that doesn't mean shit I'm fully capable of appearing innocent when I'm full of it.

Bottom line: Just trust my word when I say I'm Town and carry on.



As for Koki, I don't see anything AI either, but when have I ever actually correctly pegged him anyway??

this pings scum to me

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Those who specifically want power probably shouldn't get it

TBF, I trust myself and I know that I'm town. I mean, I know I won't get it but in my mind, it is better to put it on the town I know and trust.

aybe koki's opener is NAI but when dunkerdoodle follows it up by voting koki for host it looks pretty suspicious to me

Shouldn't that say more about Dunk than koki?

Well no because if dunker and koki are both scum his vote makes sense as a scum move. If dunker is town it's just a dumb move. If dunker is scum and koki is town that makes even less sense as a move. So I vote koki who could be either scum or town. If he flips town that probably means dunker is town. If he flips scum dunker could be town but would very likely be scum.

@koki - I wasn't trying to represent what you said, I was using hammer as an analogy for something that can't be changed. That's because in your post you make it sound like my vote on you is a mistake that I can't correct. But I have plenty of time to change my mind.

why is it stupid

tbf i thought i could take it back and only couldn't take back the other vote thingy but still

and also now i don't mind koki as leader, this matches his town meta so far i guess

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ok
VOTE: almost50

i think bujaber is town

[Dunkerdoodles]

i think bujaber is town

Why? And what's your thoughts about everyone's view of us 2?

his posts dont feel like something scum would say
plus good tone

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this pings scum to me

If I wasn't nice I would've said something like "shove it". Being the nice person I am I'll just say "suck it". (No offense, but if you think that was a scum post then your scum hunting skills are as good as Stevie Wonder's sight)

this is very self centered which i find is scummy but idk

if you were town you probably would've been like more idk, aggressive?

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@Mod For the votes for who is to host the World Congress, are those a "one and done" vote like Delegates?

Yes. Once you cast your delegate(s) when voting for a host OR a resolution, you cannot take back the delegates that you have cast for the rest of that voting cycle.

oh

The fact that you used your vote without knowing this troubles me.

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles

im sorry geez
in my defense it's worded confusingly in the op
atleast for me

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So I'm gonna try to break this down

Koki lynched d1
flips scum
Indicates Dunker could have been pushing a buddy as leader
flips town
Dunker probably genuinely trusted Koki

Dunker lynched d1
flips scum
Koki either buddy pushed as leader or town framed or thought of as a leader who would be weak
flips town
absolutely nothing on Koki

So it would make sense to flip Koki first out of those two
time to see who said the opposite, they're probably scum
btw this has nothing to do with my actual lynching plans, I think Koki is town and don't really have a read on Dunker yet

this is stupid no offense
why r u thinking 2 lynches ahead on day 1

[Dunkerdoodles]

agree with varsoons post above

actiondan slight scum tingles

thats all from me

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lets get more dunker/nero cain votes yall

bad post

[Dunkerdoodles]

nero obv town

ama

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Vote Creature, Dunk.

ok
VOTE: creature

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ran i didnt answer cuz i didnt think there was a point. i dont want to talk about early game votes atm when were reaching the point where decent plays are on the table. youre prolly town

fos almost50

very scummy. dunk you may have been right

hmm
is this sincere or trying to pocket me

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Marshy, what's your read on Dunk now?

idk. i disliked his first post. his a50 vote is good. if a50 is scum then dunk becomes a nonplay

feel this is pocketing but idk

[Dunkerdoodles]

Am I really being wagoned for being busy today?

UNVOTE:

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eh his tone matches previous town games that i can remember

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but
hypothetically if you're scum
if you pocket me and i get flipped, it looks good for you right?

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on a50 he's still scum

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or the record, what i can actually see is Almost posting town Almost things. that doesn't really translate to him being town. ;>
but he does want to be townread, and that's interesting to me.

Waddaaa...?? You asked me to show you I was Town. OF COURSE I wanted to be TR'd by YOU, and from this player list you're about the only one who can actually see town me in that post (well, maybe Titus will.. maybe not, but nobody else will).

this post is so fake and exaggerated lol

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VOTE: gamma
he is scum

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...wtf?
I am bothered by all of these unexplained votes

good

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Brass, why are you sheeping Nero? Can you explain what Nero is voting me for?

I cannot explain why Nero is voting for you. But, I really cannot explain my play without also ruining it right now, I'm guessing I will be able to reveal in about 24-48 hours, but the play is the play.

And now I will not sheep Nero because, as I said before, it's all about wagons.

VOTE: Almost50

literally scumclaim
but gamma's worse

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Dunk, what nation are you?

celtic hbu

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thats a nation?

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oh it is

thats cool

[Dunkerdoodles]

holy crap this exploded

catching up

[Dunkerdoodles]

Even right now why didn't you just say yes I claim mason.. Would be really interesting. Missed a great way to catch scum in whoever you claim as your mason partner.

That's a great point. Poor play on my part.

Well anyway are you still happy with your vote on A50 or was that part of appearing scummy?

Actually, I am not super happy with it.

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles

I don't get why he thinks that Gamma was worse than what he called a scum claim. Explain, Dunker.

"scumclaim" is me being sarcastic.

[Dunkerdoodles]

Cutting this early because I want responses

@Dunker/Nero: are you voting me for my 213?

no

[Dunkerdoodles]

Brassherald has revealed himself as an

Innocent Child!

He is guaranteed to be aligned with town.

o wow

Im an idiot

WHY DID NO ONE TOLD ME BRASS WAS CONF TOWN WHILE I WAS REREADING.

Sorry should have made you host.

Now I get why you are mad at me, and now I get not to make votes or posts before fully catching up.

Also im lame

towny

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i dont like how quickly klazam wagon formed

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@Brass:

Dunno if you got back to me or whatever, but did you figure anything out from your attempt at gambiting around IC? iirc you didn't have anything conclusive, but I could be wrong and also you've had more time to think on it now.

I did respond, but, I really think Dunker is scum.

I also got a few town reads from it, but not as much as I was hoping. I do think revealing with the World Congress still up for grabs ended up being a better play than anything I was able to do with my gambit, though.

can u explain why u scumread me so i can defend myself

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@Brass:

Dunno if you got back to me or whatever, but did you figure anything out from your attempt at gambiting around IC? iirc you didn't have anything conclusive, but I could be wrong and also you've had more time to think on it now.

I did respond, but, I really think Dunker is scum.

I also got a few town reads from it, but not as much as I was hoping. I do think revealing with the World Congress still up for grabs ended up being a better play than anything I was able to do with my gambit, though.

My 2 cents : Dunkers a well known lynch bait and his flip won't make a difference to the game, i suggest you try to poke and flip more active/readable players

um excuse me but i'd like to think im somewhat not lynchbait anymore
please go look at my recent games if u think that

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my meta is not lynchbait anymore is what im saying

[Dunkerdoodles]

my meta is not lynchbait anymore is what im saying

Hm okay, what im saying is that you are lynchbait this game

why am i lynchbait this game and not just scum?
VOTE: joey

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that post is very confusing

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yeah ok that's fair

but do you scumread me or townread me (cause im "lynchbait")

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that was random


i wouldn't be surprised if it was tbh based on the nature of the game
but
i usually assume it's singleball until something comes up that might mean it's multiball ie. 2 nks

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I just think you are naturally, superficially, objectively a scummy player regardless of alignement. You aren't charismatic for 2 cent and you aren't here to make friends, so you dont give a crap about apparences hence you get wagoned easily for reasons that have merits, most of time imo.

My stance about you as a player is to not rush a read and wait for an opportunity where you can actually towntell and to see past your shit posting. This game, you haven't towntell yet so it's a waiting game

i think this is a very big lie

i don't think im "naturally" scummy, nor do i really know what that means. i scumhunt just like everyone else, i wouldn't say im a mean player, i actually think i'm a pretty nice guy.

honestly i think you're just making this stuff up to try and get an easy mislynch at this point

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if you "knew" i was "mislynch bait", why would you be saying all this "scummy" stuff about me, if you knew i was town
hypothetically of course

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chara do u tr or sr me

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@Brass:

Dunno if you got back to me or whatever, but did you figure anything out from your attempt at gambiting around IC? iirc you didn't have anything conclusive, but I could be wrong and also you've had more time to think on it now.

I did respond, but, I really think Dunker is scum.

I also got a few town reads from it, but not as much as I was hoping. I do think revealing with the World Congress still up for grabs ended up being a better play than anything I was able to do with my gambit, though.

can u explain why u scumread me so i can defend myself

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles
Hypocrite.

why?
also why does that make me scum?

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Nothing is scummy about jockeying for votes on a wagon normally, but it could be, circumstantially, and definitely in the face of making the IC world congress leader.
But you get my point, yeah?

i get your point that townies cannot be cleared off of scum lynches

i dont get your point about me being the worst on the wagon. like do you think im just gonna say "oh yeah youre totally justified to push a townie cuz of multiball spec"?

lol this guy once again

in other news i am getting really anxious for a50 to flip but i do enjoy the klazam wagon.

first world problems man

In any other game I'd ignore this but it feels like a soft

why are you mentioning a potential soft?
oh cause ur scum right

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creature wagon bad

no way it's pure

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why are you avoiding the question?

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Dunk, I want you to explain why you feel Gamma is scum. After that, I want gamma to answer your question.

initially i voted to backup nero's vote, i was kinda sheeping nero plus i didn't like how he defended ran. Gamma's reaction to my vote was terrible, and after that his tone has just been awful which i was i think he's scum.

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Why are people voting Ran all of a sudden

thanks for claiming scum with ran

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Why are people voting Ran all of a sudden

thanks for claiming scum with ran

Also that's a completely different post, I was asking why, you were attacking the wagon by saying scum were on it

i don't care who the wagon was on, i'm just saying the wagon is bad based on how quickly it formed

i've played with creature before, but im not aware of their meta.

i didn't count exactly, but the wagon grew so fast, it was like 8 votes over 2 pages or something
theres no way 8 townies just happened to vote a scum member by chance

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explain why Nero's obvtown, dunker.

have you missed all of the posts highlighting how cut and dry Creature's meta is?

i thought u asked me this already and i answered it already but
i've played with nero quite a lot and this matches town meta and tone.

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Why are people voting Ran all of a sudden

thanks for claiming scum with ran

Also that's a completely different post, I was asking why, you were attacking the wagon by saying scum were on it

i don't care who the wagon was on, i'm just saying the wagon is bad based on how quickly it formed

i've played with creature before, but im not aware of their meta.

i didn't count exactly, but the wagon grew so fast, it was like 8 votes over 2 pages or something
theres no way 8 townies just happened to vote a scum member by chance

Doesn't change the fact Creature is scum and your reaction to his wagon was terrible

even if creature is scum there has to be a least 1 busser

if it's multiball though then that changes things

pedit: my old one was getting old

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if the wagon is pure there's a better chance of the wagon being scum. pretty basic

anyways, i never said i wasn't going to join the wagon, i just don't like it right now
we haven't even elected a leader yet, nor do we know the council thingys we vote on

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HEAL: brassherald

I think I may shade the player with the most posts actually from time to time. It sounds fun.

this feels so off

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does it not concern anyone that basically everyone is calling creature lockscum
no?
guess its just me

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also it concerns me that kokichi is acting like town leader when brass is literally an ic

looks like powerwolfing to me

yes i know i said he was town im just throwing out thoughts

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yeah i know, thats why i said basically

have the resolutions been decided yet, or are we just discussion potential resolutions

pedit: wtf is the embargo

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ah ok

kokichi why r u acting powertown

ur not normally like this

[Dunkerdoodles]

ok ok

but in my experience you're usually more passive

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viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73745

maybe it's because you roleplayer a lot more in that game, but still

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you weren't as confrontational, not as brute i guess.
normally i find you're a lot more passive, asking a lot more questions and stuff

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yes

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well, theoretically, you could have a role related reason for acting this way, or wanting gold banned so badly, so i didn't want to lock it in as wolfing so

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and why couldn't embargo help us?

you also know there's 2 resolutions to choose from right?
which im assuming are the gold/crab thing and the embargo

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liking varsoon
cyall tmr

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Nero: it did click how posting without being scummy to you is better than not posting at all. thanks.
i do think Dunker is scummy, especially with the lack of Creature meta knowledge. his reads in general are also all very backwards to mine.

Joey: i don't think it's awful. one can't really plan their V/LAs. if Kiana's town i'm excited to see what she'll do once caught up.

pedit: thanks. :>

im scum for not knowing someone's meta?
ok then

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HEAL: peacekeep brass
cause i have no idea about the silk stuff

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UNVOTE:
ill probably vote creature eventually if we decide on that, but i do agree it seems lazy

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why

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yeah ok
dont blame me if this flips town
VOTE: creature