Turn of Camn ~FIN~

[BBmolla]

VOTE: mastina

[BBmolla]

Ty Alisae for drafting me

[BBmolla]

My role fits me really well too fwiw

[BBmolla]

We’re lynching mastina, this is a scumtina gambit 100%.

[BBmolla]

Can you focks vote mastina please

[BBmolla]

Can you focks vote mastina please

Why did you make this post?

Too many people are completely ignoring mastina's postings

Fuck lynching anyone else, mastina is trying some stupid gambit which is almost certainly scum, let's lynch her and deal with other scum later

[BBmolla]

Can you focks vote mastina please

Why did you make this post?

Too many people are completely ignoring mastina's postings

Fuck lynching anyone else, mastina is trying some stupid gambit which is almost certainly scum, let's lynch her and deal with other scum later

what makes it "almost certainly scum" to you?

Left 4 dead 2 mafia + my last game where Mastina was scum that I can’t find

Mastina has reasons behind everything she does and I 100% believe she’s going for some “too scummy to be scum” gambit instead of just scumhunting as town mastina would be doing now.

[BBmolla]

VOTE: mastina

Reason enough to lynch mastina

Realtalk: I legit AM ticked off that I didn't draw scum this game because this was the one game where I was hoping for it. It'd basically be a fucking rematch, plus, right now, I am in no condition to be all gamesolvey town. (Well, mostly. Basically, if I'm not slacking off on something, I would be in no condition to be keeping up in here.)

But since I am, I have to make the most of it. This is, in fact. Taking the game seriously. Reason enough to lynch Ginngie.

Ginngie is doing something this game she absolutely

should not be doing

if she is town, and doing something which is ABSOLUTELY exactly how she would be going about things as scum.

There's a minor caveat, in that she is doing something which she would in fact do as town. So if you think this is soulread levels of confidence, it's not. But she is in fact a quite serious scumread.

Also this post ducking sucks, bullshit fence sitting and saying Ginngie is being anti town when all of mastinas early posting are self votes.

That’s scum bullshit.

[BBmolla]

What is your read on mastina nsd?

[BBmolla]

pine are you scum

[BBmolla]

Parama your reads suck ass which is depressing

[BBmolla]

Spoiler: For personal use

1. You are tonally different
2. You are arguing things that don't matter
3. I don't see you scumhunting
4. I don't see you acting as "idgaf" as you do as town
5. As town you love snarky comments, I don't see that bite rn as town
6. It felt weird that you had a big ass post so early
7. Not give paragraphs of perfect reasoning to one person
8. You feel like you care how you are perceived

^this

Gonna sit here tunneling. Literally mastina said she did the shit at the start cause she “knew she could get away with it” and now is

Lmfao

I’ll be back when mastina is lynched

Or if I need to claim, if anyone hammers me without claim autolynch them.

[BBmolla]

We have no mod confirmation the drafting was done as pine said btw unless I missed a post

[BBmolla]

Camn just clarified in case you missed it

Firebringer what are your mastina thoughts

[BBmolla]

Parama I’m about to dayvig you, post useful shit or don’t post, cluttering the thread is pro-scum

[BBmolla]

Mastina or no lynch

No lynch is actually kind of nice for ~reasons

[BBmolla]

All good Reck your vote is good

[BBmolla]

BBmolla seems to be a weak player that would be unlikely to be picked by Pine in a draft, for similar reasons to Aristophanes. I could be wrong.

and do you get this sense from this game only or for meta from elsewhere?

From this game.

I'm actually very easy to read and thus I think I'm strong in that sense tbh.

I think my scumplay is better than my townplay because then I don't have to be honest. When I'm honest people seem to get upset with me.

[BBmolla]

Off to bed, I'll post more whenever Reck decides to catch up.

[BBmolla]

BBmolla seems to be a weak player that would be unlikely to be picked by Pine in a draft, for similar reasons to Aristophanes. I could be wrong.

and do you get this sense from this game only or for meta from elsewhere?

From this game.

I'm actually very easy to read and thus I think I'm strong in that sense tbh.

I think my scumplay is better than my townplay because then I don't have to be honest. When I'm honest people seem to get upset with me.

How can your scumplay be good if you are "very easy to read"? By definition, you'd be obvscum when you're scum, so, it would necessitate poor scumplay!

This is a rhetorical question. Just an offhanded comment, I believe BBmolla is town here.

~Sora

Cause people suck at this game

[BBmolla]

For anyone giving me shit about not posting, honestly fuck off. This was supposed to be a low posting game and we’re already on page 35. I’m not gonna contribute more when we should lynch Mastina. Ask me shit if you want but I’m not about to get in an argument that’s going to discourage people from catching up/reading.

[BBmolla]

BB, regarding mastina, is the lynch based off of just the gambit

It’s a scumtina gambit yes. Rest of posting without any worthwhile content certainly doesn’t look great either.

[BBmolla]

Okay can we just locked the thread till Wednesday then cause that’s fucking ridiculous.

[BBmolla]

Btw fun fact: today I had a dream that I saw an artistic depiction.
The cartoonish depiction was of a green dinosaur, grinning, holding a big fucking huge (ginormous) spiked club, over the bodies of three unconscious individuals. I couldn't make out the identities of said individuals, but the dinosaur was pretty clearly a cartoon depiction of Mathdino. (I might try to draw the picture I saw in my dream if I can find my artistic supplies and scan it in.)

I am pretty sure this means one of three things.
-Mathdino is town, and will nail three scum this game precisely, no more but no less.
-Mathdino is scum, and will be the fourth scum found after three other scum are exposed.
-Mathdino is scum, and we'll lynch the fuck out of him after three town players have died.

Personally I am fond of the latter two interpretations.

This is all a fancily-worded prod-dodge though. I'm not really in the mindset to play mafia right now. I'm on site, but I can't really do anything in a game. Just kinda frozen. The good news is, though, I have all of tomorrow to fix that and will do it then.

This is probably the towniest post I’ve ever seen

A fluff post literally about nothing

Wow. Lmfao.

[BBmolla]

Mastina is either scum that is being HARD, hard bussed, an endgame setup bus, or they’re town

What are you talking about, there is an insane amount of resistance to her lynch

[BBmolla]

Where’s that ignore code, let’s add mulch to that

[BBmolla]

Both y’all need to walk away

PeregrineV fakes a guilty on me one time as town, it was stupid, but shit happens and I doubt PV would repeat the mistake.

Chill

[BBmolla]

Parama please stay

[BBmolla]

Deny me to Pine because I am a better scum player.

Reck I think it’s time to bring out the video

We've reached a next level of memery

[BBmolla]

I could live with a centipede lynch, they seem nervous scum as fuck.

But mastina lynch is still prime

[BBmolla]

Or if I need to claim, if anyone hammers me without claim autolynch them.

I could've sworn you had a sig related to this.

---

With that said, upon reading this man's ISO, I feel like I want to townread this guy, for the pure frustration of "WHY IS MASTINA NOT DEAD YET".

I did it's gone, "Hammers without a claim are a policy lynch. No exceptions."

[BBmolla]

I say we follow Mulch's instinct for the day 1 lynch.
For once.
His intincts are good.

As kingmaker, I nominate

MULCH

.

Naaah

He’s probably town but his reads blow

[BBmolla]

He’s probably town but his reads blow

I have seen his day one instincts be shockingly accurate in the past. I'd like to give it a chance.

Maybe. We will see.

Like I said he’s probably town at least.

[BBmolla]

LLD what are your reads

[BBmolla]

I am fascinated to see how this shakes out.

Ginngie what's your mastina read?

Holy yikes this is scum

[BBmolla]

Shiro just admitted Kiana was scumposting.

tbh I agree.

I totally expected to replace into scumslot.
Imagine my shock when my role PM was this too-bright-for-me green.
It's like shining beacon of "Fuck you GIF you're replacing into some scummy townslot your suffering awaits."

This is yikes too

[BBmolla]

Mastina first for scumlynch pls

[BBmolla]

This is yikes too

"This pose is yikes because it is ___________"

Please, fill in the blank for me!
This is not me being sarcastic.
I'm genuinely excited about what word you're gonna put in that blank.

Amish tell

[BBmolla]

believement

lynch mastina, ill hide behind dino

:3

me too thanks

[BBmolla]

Ari actually probably is scum

[BBmolla]

Key if HR didn't get you the memo we are lynching mastina today

[BBmolla]

LMFAO

[BBmolla]

Mastina why would you not immediately at the start of the day claim Town Godfather?

Bullshit.

[BBmolla]

good one m9

[BBmolla]

BTW, on lunch break, but I need to share this before I get home, both because I can forget and because I can talk myself out of it.
But fuckit.
I've been hinting at this the whole game:

I am a Godfather

.
This is one of the OTHER main reasons why I have been adamant that I cannot live to see lylo.
I can never be confirmed as town, except by lynch, since I am never getting night killed.

wait wait wait why are we lynching this?

We are not lynching this today.

we're lynching mastina today.

we don't need lld to get this lynch anyway, it's fine

I don’t understand

What even is a town godfather

A member of the town who appears town to cop investigations

I'm not playing this WIFOM game folks, we're lynching mastina.

I'm tempted to say that centipede is scum just for BoP but man I have no idea what's happening in this game anymore.

Centipede/lld/something? lld's flip on mastina makes no sense given she said she'd be happy to policy her earlier.

Nah this seems on par with LLD, stubborn about some random bullshit that makes no sense to anyone but her.

Oh, also I'm sheeping molla for the rest of the game so I'm technically a lost cause to you.

don't buddy me I'm onto you

BTW, on lunch break, but I need to share this before I get home, both because I can forget and because I can talk myself out of it.
But fuckit.
I've been hinting at this the whole game:

I am a Godfather

.
This is one of the OTHER main reasons why I have been adamant that I cannot live to see lylo.
I can never be confirmed as town, except by lynch, since I am never getting night killed.

da f** is going on in this game?

I'ma start by reading the rules

this post is weird and awkward

[BBmolla]

Jail: Madoka and Homura

[BBmolla]

Intent to hammer, claim

[BBmolla]

BBmolla > shos (if he's actually not a cop inno) > Keychain (Keychain and molla are interchangable) will probably end the game

If not, DGB.

THEN it will end the game.

Yeah we’re not lynching me lmfao

[BBmolla]

DGB fullclaim this voting pine stuff or I’m voting you

[BBmolla]

If you’re a lyncher who wins when he’s lynched then fine but claim it

[BBmolla]

CLAIM:

My role says, straight up, that I'm a paranoid cop because of Pine.

So, I'm thinking, that's kinda stupid, isn't that the same as being vanilla?

So I asked the mod if conditions exist where I may not be paranoid.

The answer was yes. Conditions do exist where I may not be paranoid.

That's why I was wondering if killing Pine wouldn't help. And that's why Mulch may or may not be a cop. I don't know.

You guys can sort it out.

Missed this

DGB you’re mixing up flavor with actual relevant role things

[BBmolla]

Townreads on Ari need to be explained, Ari has done nothing but been pleasantly about this whole game and I could easily see Ari do that as scum

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Keychain

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Keychain

You are an idiot for not listening to ELLI


He fucking got 3 scum and you are arrogant enough to think your own personal scumread is better than his townread on Keychain?? Gtfo

This is a perfect example of why MS towns suck


Sorry for hostility

Lmao

Just cause a person got some reads right doesn’t mean all their reads are right

[BBmolla]

She is quite plainly a named townie folks.

[BBmolla]

Why her out of all the people?

I would vote shos but I can't because molla is voting Keychain rn.

Hm?

[BBmolla]

Why is LLD yelling

[BBmolla]

we know that mastina's gambit and subsequently math bussing her by half-pushing for a policy lynch and half-saying that it was more likely to come from scum mastina was planned from the very start. we also know that implosion was scum. i don't actually remember what implosion's position on the mastina wagon was, but what i wonder is if it was decided that more than one scum (math) would join in on the bussing, and if so how many. all of them?

Uhhhh that was me who said those things about mastina, not math

[BBmolla]

We’re lynching mastina, this is a scumtina gambit 100%.

still want to call this level of confidence faked and part of the gambit, honestly.

Read this

then look at mastinas first post in this game and tell me that could possibly come from anything other than scum

[BBmolla]

VOTE: shos

[BBmolla]

I think it's pretty clearly at this point just shos trying to ride on not knowing what happened tbh

[BBmolla]

shos any interesting role to claim?

[BBmolla]

So we're a zillion townies vs 1 scum with only 4 unconfirmed?

What *is* confirmed?
do we have some links to where those confirmations happened?
what claims are there which are already out?

I have seen somewhere where I was considered as a vig target, and as such, didn't want to completely waste my time reading the whole thread overnight without knowing if I live to see tomorrow....so... I'm gonna need help catching up. I can do some reading over the next two days, so if there's somethign specific I'll be glad to get some help.

e.g.
"read pages 1-5, 32-33 and ISO camn in consideration of post 777" is a good answer >_>

Pine, I am disappointed that I am not scum. FYI.

Pine, you're going to so regret not recruiting me for your scumteam... That was a critical mistake that guarantees that you and the scum will lose this game. I'll make sure to demolish your piss-sorry excuse for a draft-picked loser team; this will be your undoing.

I don't know who Camn is, but, let's save the princess

oh damn, soooo much this

[BBmolla]

kuuhaku seems like town with poor reads that they genuinely believed imo

[BBmolla]

We should lynch shos

Willing to compromise on Madoka if it will jumpstart game but I’d rather not

[BBmolla]

Mulch seems more dumb than scum

[BBmolla]

I will target your mom

[BBmolla]

why maria?

Likely cause she was almost conf town by LLD

VOTE: shos

[BBmolla]

Hey Katsuki grats on your townslot

[BBmolla]

Okay cool vote shos

[BBmolla]

Katsuki your reads are like 3 posts late, hurry please

[BBmolla]

We should def lynch shos

I like this lynch better.

VOTE: PINE

Your slot looks worse and worse ever time you don’t post reads

Reads please.

[BBmolla]

lol

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Katsuki

[BBmolla]

Alright boys time is up hop on the Katsuki wagon

[BBmolla]

VOTE: SHOS

FUCKING POST YOU FUCKS

WE HAVE A GAME TO WIN

WHO FUCKING CARES IF WE GOT THREE WE STILL HAVE ONE FUCKER OUT THERE

GET YOUR ASSES IN HERE AND POST OR I SWEAR ILL CALL YOUR MOTHER AND TELL HER YOU DID ME WRONG

[BBmolla]

How would this play work for scum LLD honestly

VOTE: Katsuki

[BBmolla]

It's not a perfect guilty.

Options:
1. LLD redirected Katsuki's kill to Ginngie
2. LLD killed Ginngie
3. Someone other than the two of them killed Ginngie


LLD, why did you redirect to Ginngie? Seems an odd choice.

Literally, after I called her scum yesterday, I felt she would be the LAST PERSON scum would kill. My other thought was Aristophanes, but I felt that it was better to go with Ginngie, feels like a more "out there" kill.

I wanted to limit the chance of scum blocking me or fucking with my result and then killing the person I redirected to.

Why not redirect to someone you think is scum?

I would assume she redirected the player she thought is scum. And this couldn’t redirect the target to themselves.

[BBmolla]

I HOPE Y'ALL DONT GET SUCKERED BY LLD'S SWEET TONGUE

PART OF WHY I WANT HER DEAD TODAY IS BECAUSE I DONT TRUST THE REST OF YALL TO POWERLYNCH HER WITHOUT QUESTION AFTER MY TOWNFLIP

Whoa deja vu 1478

irregardless

You're a fan of this word


Out of the 1v1, I'd much prefer to lynch LLD.

Maybe I do like it a bit much ^_^

OH THAT REMINDS ME

IF BY SOME INSANITY LLD/KATSUKI BOTH FLIP TOWN, MOLLA IS SCUM

If your town dude you played awful and I have no Ragrets

[BBmolla]

You’re

[BBmolla]

Why would I redirect TO scum.

I want to Redirect SCUM TO someone scum would NEVER KILL.

There's only ONE scum.

So the person I think is sucm is the person I'm REDIRECTING not the person I'm REDIRECTING TO.

How is this hard

Can you redirect a player to themselves is NSGs questiob

[BBmolla]

How hurtful.

There's an obvious explanation for my play which can be given postgame.

Not sure why you expected me to have read the game in full upon replacing in tho, it's not like it's anything new after 8 years.

You can just give it now unless it’s REDACTED for reasons

[BBmolla]

Shows over I’ll be on a lot more now

Katsuki if Me you and LLD are town who is scum?

[BBmolla]

Ready to no lynch whenever

Gonna need your help here camn

[BBmolla]

no you don't.

[BBmolla]

keychain you're not confirmed town.

and what's your role, can't we just get another report if we NL and the mafia no kills?

[BBmolla]

actually don't claim, let's assume you're a role who can get another report and no lynch, I'm probably a protective role.

[BBmolla]

what is your fear if we no lynch

[BBmolla]

cool story cone

[BBmolla]

Ari is probably scum by the by

I hope he claims something interesting

[BBmolla]

Keychain if we no lynched and I protected you are you capable of getting another report?

[BBmolla]

Cause if so let’s do that then massvlaim

[BBmolla]

don’t you have a son to look after? go away

[BBmolla]

That was at Pine

[BBmolla]

I’m fine either way Camn

[BBmolla]

Pine guess my role

[BBmolla]

Pine guess my role

Mafia Goon, fam.

Ayy lmao

[BBmolla]

You’re giving away so much info right now it’s like McDonalds

[BBmolla]

If it means anything I second Ari claiming first.

[BBmolla]

Alright cool let’s mass claim then, Ari you’re up

[BBmolla]

I’m a VT

[BBmolla]

camn

why do I soft claim all sorts of shit and pussy out when claiming in mylo

I claimed miller day 1 in a large theme for fun and made an elaborate fucking claim and have done so in many other games.

If I'm last scum here I'm going balls to the fucking walls and claiming something awsome. Winning or Losing on a VT claim would be fucking boring and is not my style.

Meta aside, why the fuck would there be two even night protective roles and one odd night protective role? Two of them are redirectors and one them is... a doctor, whose protections has failed, and who didn't react in the slightest when his first protected target was killed.

Like, Ari has been posting a fuckton of IIOA and has been coasting on this bullshit of "pine wouldn't pick him" which is stupid anyways because Pine would pick him specifically cause you fucks would say that shit

ALSO, what benefit is there in hard bussing mastin d1? mastin, who on the theoretical scumteam of me, implo, mastin, and mathdino, is certainly going to live longer than me. What sense does it make for me to bus and not have mastin bus back? In that team I would 100% be the weakest player.

Also, can we talk about setup spec, and how fucking awkward a theoretical strongman (which from Ari's perspective has to exist) would be very strange interacting with a bus driver and/or redirector?

And are we now theorizing that it's not an x-shot strongman, because what seriously are the odds that the two kills Ari protects are strongman'd.

The outlier in this setup is Ari's claim. It makes no sense. Remove it and add a mafia goon and the setup makes total sense balancewise. I'd also like to point out that town has a fuck ton of power if you seriously believe both roles are real. A 2-shot roleblocker and strongman vs. Town Vig, Town Vengeful, Town Odd-night redirector, Town Even-night bus driver, + Town Even-night Doctor? In what fucking world does anyone believe that to be remotely balanced? Also, not to mention the cop who succeeds on one scum just to add that into the mix.

I am not scum. I haven't been from day 1. I've been the one trying to get this shit on track but people got lazy and started lynching random people. WE'VE BEEN DEFEATED OURSELVES HERE AND ALL ARI HAD TO DO WAS SAY "omg what is happening xd." Like holy fuck

"Why not consider Keychain is maybe the scum?" Because Odd-night redirector + Even-night bus driver is BEAUTIFUL symmetry and Keychain's play has been town enough today and because Ari HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING REMOTELY TOWN THIS WHOLE FUCKING GAME

I am honestly baffled how you came to the conclusion I am the scum in this mix and I will yell and scream until you realize I am not. Good night.

[BBmolla]

May I please also point out that Keychain, who replaced in partway through this game nearly has more posts than Ari who has been here since the start?

We were missing the lurking scum player. He just claimed a nice bullshit role that Pine probably helped him with.

Ask me shit, good night for real.

[BBmolla]

Ask me shit, good night for real.

Ok- question:
Are you really arguing that you can't be scum cuz your claim would be FANTASTIC.. but Aristo CAN, with a doc claim and failed protections?
How do you reconcile this? And don't give me: 'Aristo isn't awesome'.. cuz a) Aristo IS, and b) Pine could help him with a claim duh.

I think a VT claim is a conservative scumclaim, yes....but that rings more true than a botched fake docclaim.
But- convince me. And DGB.


Also Aristo- You say you would never kill Ginngie- wasn't she a redirected kill? Don't play dumb- you knew that.

Aristo and me are two different players. I’m lazy, I’m never going to win a scum game off play because I hate being scum. That’s why I always win off my stupid claims. I can go find some if you’d like.

Ask me about any point in this game and I’ll give you my thought process as I remember.

DGB you’ve seen my town and scum play, why are you convinced I’m scum here? Like I’m honestly really baffles and frustrated.

The reason I even softed roles multiple times was to draw the night kill. Why soft a duck ton of roles as scum and not follow through?

ASK ME THINGS I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO NOT LOSE TO SCUM AFTER LYNCHING THEM THE FIRST THREE DAYS

[BBmolla]

Like I really don’t know how much more blatantly transparent I can be

[BBmolla]

Okay, so Molla it is then! Thanks for making it easy!

The amount of shit being flung in that post!

So let's look at this. I have not once claimed that Pine would never pick me. I did not use that a sinvle time I can remember! As scum, especially last scum, I would be doubling down on that SO hard to solidify my spot as town! Whenever I have gotten anything to latch onto as scum to make me look town I have always gone all in on it!

My activity is meh, but I have legitimate reasons including the fact that it is almost always Night in this game! Like, when I do get a chance to post I am not actually able to! It's a sad irony.

As for NKs, I don't think a strongman is necessitated anymore by simple mechanics. Ginngie would have had no protection N5 when they died, and NSG was busdriven so my protection wasn't there!

And why in gods name would I kill Ginngie, ever!? She was one of the few who had me in the "never lynch" pile when Elli had me as a maybe! I would have to be an idiot to kill her! Seriously!

Keychain could be scum bus driver, we all agree on that. Bur the logistics really don't work else either NSG should be alive or they shot DGB and redirected their own kill for whatever reason they would do that (if scum can even sumbit an action and kill at the same time).

I can use all these arguments for me as well

Yes I’m going to fling shit, I’m being called scum in MYLO, and because scum a fake claim and I claimed my real role I’m getting lynched

Like if I had known y’all were this dumb I’d have fucking counter claimed doctor, why the fuck not

[BBmolla]

I need a list of night actions, I'll do it later today if no one beats me to it.

If Ari's claim works without a strongman, then that "Ari's claim relies on a strongman" post is a really odd one for non-strongman scum BB to make. Does that make sense?

He mentioned a strongman in his claim

[BBmolla]

Like I posted all that shit at 4 am and it was stream of consciousness, I have fucking nothing to hide, stop assuming shit and ASK ME TO CLARIFY

[BBmolla]

You know what I liked Aris first reason, maybe he is town and we just fucking lose.

Ask me shit I’m going out for a while. Y’all can quicklynch me and lose the game after lynching three scum if you’d prefer LMFAO

I’m gonna be so fucking mad this post game I can already tell

[BBmolla]

Fuck me man.

[BBmolla]

DGB I look forward to hearing why I’m obvious scum so I can link to one of the many games we’ve been in together and show you why you’re wrong

like I really suck at this game. If I was scum I’d be lynched by now. I’m alive cause I’m Bad town not good scum.

[BBmolla]

HOLY FUCK

No you didn’t but I figured this out before your post while driving and had to pull over

You used a bus driver

And that’s why the protections failed

[BBmolla]

That is the setup

Keychain is the scum

I’m a fucking idiot

[BBmolla]

And when I get lynched they’ll all yell at you post game for not seeing how ducking broken the setup is in this theoretical scenario where I’m scum

Keychain bus drove all kill targets and that is why your protections failed Ari. Not once, but twice. Makes 10 times more sense than a strongman.

[BBmolla]

Thoughts Pine?

[BBmolla]

can someone outline exactly the actions and nights as claimed I think that would help

[BBmolla]

Bit 1:
DGB is conf town as outlined above.
Do you agree? Disagree? Why?

The only way she couldn't be is if she was a second Godfather, which, tbh, I think Alisae would provide us more clues to infer that in some way.

[BBmolla]

I can compile this, gimme a minute.

Do you want all dead actions we know of or just the ones pertaining to us?

all if you got time

[BBmolla]

The only way she couldn't be is if she was a second Godfather, which, tbh, I think Alisae would provide us more clues to infer that in some way.

OK, I agree. So you have two relatively-seasoned conf-town players to convince.
We are leaning scum on you for the reasons described, on setup-spec, on whatever.. but we are NOT leaning town on you because of our own crapcase scumplay. So Bluster is probably not gonna be effective here.
We are open to reason.
So reason.

A meta-argument- "this is not my scum meta" is no argument at all. I have won

literally

1,000,000 scumgames with that argument, and also it will not fly... be it true or false.
The BEST case, of course.. is

not

why you are town.. it is who is the last scum . That's what we are interested in. And it is your chance to shine

Aristo? Or Keychain?

You

maybe

made some points earlier while ranting.. but they were hard for me to see cuz my eyes were rolling too hard (i know! Im trying to quit!)... so lets hear it more coherent this time!

Fuck EVERYTHING I said

I think Keychain is telling the truth about role and last night's action but lying about n4 and n2 actions (And likely n1 and n3 and n5 night actions) and likely used them instead to kill the nk target

Mafia 2-shot Roleblocker, Mafia Bus Driver, Mafia Godfather, Mafia Goon VS. Town Paranoid Cop, Town Fruit Vendor Arsonist(Which gets all kinds of fucked up by Bus Driver, Redirector, and Nexus keep in mind), Vengeful, Odd-night Recruiter, Even-Night Doctor, Miller is the most balanced setup you can get out of these claims.

FUCK I wish we had more night actions to analyze. Where the fuck did Firebringer's first fruit go???

@mod: If there was a paranoid cop, would they get innocent on the Godfather?

[BBmolla]

Thoughts Pine?

You're actually soliciting WIFOM?

SURE.

Conspiracy theory: There isn't a fourth scum. You're all Town. You actually do have to lynch me to win, or I pick you off one by one.

you failed my shit test I'm disappointed

[BBmolla]

And I wasn't thinking straight, DGB wouldn't be a Godfather because if DGB wasn't a Paranoid Cop there wouldn't be a cop

I quite literally can't think of any role that DGB could have and still be scum. NSG was 100% bus drove because the Doc failed, DGB scum would need to target the other player but if DGB is scum the bus drive is real and DGB can't target herself.

Like aside from bastard modding she has to be town.

[BBmolla]

Let me put it this way as well: If I was scum, what role could I possibly have to balance out the above town power + town even night bus driver?

And yes let's please take our sweet time

[BBmolla]

Yeah Redirector, my b, Reck is a recruited Mason Nexus so that messed me up

[BBmolla]

I forgot that as well, a mason nexus

Like that's a LOT of town power

[BBmolla]

So...I want to stir the pot, but this is going swimmingly.

Carry on.

Say more please

[BBmolla]

Keychain the theory is that you mostly told the truth in your claim.

I’m pretty set on Keychain being scum, I really don’t see Ari scum playing like this tbh. And Keychain seems consistently on her back foot.

[BBmolla]

Wait...is that even how it works?

Yes

Anyone who targets Player A, instead targets Player B
Anyone who targets Player B, instead targets Player A

[BBmolla]

Keychain seems like scum who is upset at being caught for the wrong reasons

[BBmolla]

What is my motivation for conftowning Goofball today instead of taking the no lynch?

To appear town?

Fear for whatever me or Ari might be?

[BBmolla]

Non-Con paired with Odd-night would seem too clunky m8

Still leaning Keychain from play personally

[BBmolla]

Thoughts DGB?

[BBmolla]

I like to soft PRs as VT to draw nightkills.

[BBmolla]

I have yet to see a suggestion that makes the setup balanced where I'm scum and town has all this power.

I'll likely vote Keychain in the next couple days, I think we're getting cold feet because the thread went dead after Keychain posted a wall (Keychain is looking to argue semantics, because if Keychain can win an argument it will make us think we were not just wrong about the argument but about the bigger arguments.)

[BBmolla]

BBmolla was all, OK! I'm going to steamroll my scumpal and keep my hands clean by not talking about anything else that might compromise me.

Iirc the lynched went so quick that I wasn’t even online to post anything

But it was also day 2/3 and we lynched my scumread day 1, I wasn’t going to fight to stop a lynch on two unsure reads.

[BBmolla]

ok I have been digging..

It took me, like, 12 games to even find one where BB was ever kightkilled. He seems to get lynched a lot. Also MODS UPDATE POST 1 FFS.
In Newbie 1722 he was NKd N1. He didn't soft at all. He DID announce "newbies get a claim before you hammer or you are insta-scum!" in general, though. Its his IC-speech I think.

Yeah. I didn't find examples. But I didn't do a comprehensive search. TOo many speakeasy posts.. not enough games

BB- can you cite?

I’ll look around, yeah

[BBmolla]

Also even according to you I get lynched a lot, I’m not a good player. Does that mean I’m more likely town or scum here?

[BBmolla]

viewtopic.php?p=6954580#p6954580

here's a tirade where I go off about some fake claims I've done

looking for examples of softing I've done

[BBmolla]

The softing hurts me, tbh. Like...if it's 'im trying to draw the kill', what happened later on? Why only D1?

When I'm trying to draw nightkills, which I do sometimes....I fucking draw nightkills.

we're looking to lynch me when there's not a role in existence that I could be to balance a setup with the amount of town power that would be against me. are we really questioning why I'm here and not dead???

here's me doing the opposite, claiming to be unimportant when I am important

I feel so stupid for not reading more into the Molla soft claim and not realise what he was actually doing.

Do accept my apologies Molla.

It's fine honestly, I have no bitter feelings about the whole thing.

oh hey this looks familiar

woah check out this sick 360 noscope play by me

Saying "I'm probably Cop" is the equivalent of saying "There is a possibility I am a cop"

it's literally

meaningless

actually don't claim, let's assume you're a role who can get another report and no lynch, I'm probably a protective role.

wow guys look at that

FUCK THE SOFT CLAIM THE ONLY ONLY ONLY PEOPLE WHO SHOULD GIVE A SHIT OR NOTE IT ARE SCUM

EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD FUCKING

IGNORE

IT

CAUSE

IT'S

MEANINGLESS

huh you know guys this whole soft claiming doesn't seem to work out for me, maybe I shouldn't do that anymore

[BBmolla]

DGB I really don't know what to tell you other than you're making assumptions that just aren't true. I voted mastin cause whenever she does these stupid fucking gambits she is scum. ive played with her multiple times. there was no secret plot from the start, I'm sorry that im so good at reading mastin I'll try to suck more so it's more "believable."

like fuck I don't know what you guys want from me, I'm not scum, all the fucking arrows point to me not being scum, can we instead look at which player in this LYLO would actually fool everyone and lynch them instead of the obvious lynchbaits?

[BBmolla]

like I think Pine has been super obvious all day about key being his partner but wifom whatever, ill quote this postgame after we mislynch me and me and pine can have a good laugh about how dumb you guys were

[BBmolla]

You are assuming that molla, if scum, is a goon. A scum busdriver and town redirector is a strange combo, I reckon.

Town-Odd night redirector and Scum Even Night Bus Driver

that's not odd, that's expected and actually makes sense

[BBmolla]

My role fits me really well too fwiw

What did this mean, BB?

also what kind of lame payoff as scum would it be for me to set myself up here for a badass role slam dunk and not take it

that's fucking lame

[BBmolla]

Subject: Left 4 Dead Mafia! (Game Over!)

Thor please take me off the list, I'm important, thank you.

Subject: Left 4 Dead Mafia! (Game Over!)

Yes this is a soft claim, I'm not going into night as a vig canidate so fuck off.

I was cop for these quotes, I donno if that means anything

[BBmolla]

and then I claimed VT who was getting amn cop results

what a fun game that was

[BBmolla]

How does aristo-scum come up with this lol doc-claim? Theoretically?
It seems to ~bad~ to be fake.

Why do you see that claim as bad?

Don't you see how much sense it makes with a scum bus driver?

[BBmolla]

keychain if ari is scum, what role do you think they have? likely an even-night something still, no?

[BBmolla]

game is hard ladies and gents.

[BBmolla]

Molla did not.

Right but he claimed vanilla goon.

What is even the point of this post DGB

[BBmolla]

Molla did not.

Right but he claimed vanilla goon.

Sure, but at odds with his softclaiming early on.

Im thinking town might mismatch that way, cuz who cares? But scum are more ~aware~ of what they are setting up, claim-wise, right?

Yes! When I’m scum my goal is to be consistent. When I’m town the goal is to find scum and not get lynched.

[BBmolla]

I’m here btw

Not opposed to a no lynch

Setup spec still points to Keychain, although her appeal to me specifically made me doubt myself

So idk

[BBmolla]

You’re reall bad at this confirmed scum thing pine

[BBmolla]

Camn am I good to hammer?

[BBmolla]

Or does this page look like theatre

[BBmolla]

Yay!

[BBmolla]

I assume but I wanted to check in

[BBmolla]

I’ll hammer in 30 if Camn doesn’t show up

[BBmolla]

Only an hour left till end of day

Hammering in five, cause I need a nap

[BBmolla]

No ragrets

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Keychain

If we lose I’m sorry everyone

gg regardless of who wins