Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[hebichan]

VOTE: ventriloquist

Iwanna be here for rvs for once

[hebichan]

The millers should definitely flavor claim.

I have a feeling there's something wonky with one of them at least?

[hebichan]

How is hiding behind scum anti town?

[hebichan]

@RC

What did you think was actually scummy about Wilky's reactions?

Claims aside I don't see where he's actually been scummy and I don't know why people are wagoning him beyond the claim.

@Tchill

So you're saying you don't die if you hide behind scum?

correct. So its useless as far as helping town goes from what i can tell.

You can confirm scum if you hide correctly.

Anyhow, moving on.

VOTE: alchemist

I don't like you fishing for tests.

[hebichan]

I'm derailing wagons that aren't necessarily on scum, yeah, I guess?

Also I'm shifting gears, Hebichan scumgame in Play The Hits was not quite what I was expecting and this game is just weak from her regardless of alignment.
It's no longer something explicitly in her scum meta fmpov so I'm going to put Ramcius as my #2 pick for scum and just say Hebichan is still null and needs to do more.

if Tchill is town, and wilky scum this is pretty telling tbh.

For who in particular?

I think Ramcius for sure, a few others are maybes

I literally haven't been able to post this game much because of work, please wait for me to actually get in this game more. geezus.

I'm actually invested in this game and looking about.

I don't think tchill is scum, and I don't like how alchemist was fishing for roles.

I don't see scum unprompted claiming hider.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Ramicus

After the catchup, yes.

Though tbh last game I played with ram he gladiated town.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Ramicus

After the catchup, yes.

Though tbh last game I played with ram he gladiated town.

Who's catchup?

Shoulda said after my catch up, sorry.

I still think ram voting himself was scum waffling.

[hebichan]

Keade, you feel different from my last game with you. You seem a lot more excusey here.

Idk.

[hebichan]

Townreads

Tchill
Davesaz
Alchemist21
Hebichan
Our slot obvobv

Lazy townreads

Dunnstral

Dunn is being dunn.

Not sure I agree with alchemist, otherwise im on board with you.

[hebichan]

Wait, keade, WHY, you literally cracked under no pressure.

Okay, from now on no more claims....

[hebichan]

VOTE: Ventriloquist

Yeah, don't really like how hes shading t-chill as "worth considering there either.

[hebichan]

Not them, but I feel like its likely TvT?

I don't know though, if anyone is scum on those interactions It's probably nero, he seemed a bit off guard with maria questioning him.

[hebichan]

I'm following my day one sheep nature.

I don't have the will to be a town voice.

What are you contributing though?

[hebichan]

eh, its just more valuable on later days when we can have a player we can say is definitely town.

Early on its not as useful just because of the size of the playerlist.

[hebichan]

What are you contributing though?

I called you out for your bad vote, for one

You called out the votes in general.

You're only calling me out specifically because I'm engaging with you.

[hebichan]

I'm not scum reading manwithnoname that hard right now, he seems to be scumhunting, which I don't think many scum players try to play up this early day one.

I dunno, I feel vent more at the moment, but you could case him if you like. I could probably be swayed.

[hebichan]

I should restate, I like his scumhunting and I think he has valid points.

I'm not seeing the scumread, so you saying my read is bad is like, okay.

have fun?

[hebichan]

Why is it icky timing?


There's no wagon that's being countered? I've been sheeping oro for awhile here.

Like, you take issue with my read but your read is just like vague statements that could mean anything.

[hebichan]

No I'm pretty sure everyone agreed it was the way they claimed not the claim itself. Can I persuade you to help me run up Ramcius?

I spectated that Bastard game GIF modded, it seems to me that Ramcius is the type of player that plays in a way that rubs ppl the wrong way and ends up getting himself lynched, ill give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

It felt like you were using meta to not take a hard stance on the popular wagon of the time. That's what I meant by excusey.

[hebichan]

I'm not scum reading manwithnoname that hard right now, he seems to be scumhunting, which I don't think many scum players try to play up this early day one.

I dunno, I feel vent more at the moment, but you could case him if you like. I could probably be swayed.

Hebi, who specifically are you referring to here?

Anyone who is scumreading him, specifically REALMAN

[hebichan]

UNVOTE:

Why did you join on the same wagon with real men, man with no name.

[hebichan]

OK, great. Considering there is as much a chance as anything that there is a 3 man scum team with a 3rd party and if there's a 3 man scum team then Ram thinks that none of the claims are scum then why is such a huge chunk of his iso focusing on 1 of the claims being scum? Below is quotes from Ram's iso that insinuate scum in one of the claims. I still get the feeling from Ram's post that he's more in the know than most of the rest of us.

I don't believe there's 3 man scumteam with sk, 3 man scum team with non sk 3p is out of question, i believe it's 4 man mafia and maybe some non sk 3p, or town just got weaker/less PRs

Why are we doing set up spec with no flips?

This seems weird, and its something scum try to do before town.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Dave

[hebichan]

ETL you have displayed absolutely zero respect for my reads earlier, my scumread on Ventriloquist or my own ability to look into the wagon.
If you don't understand why I am scumreading the slot then you certainly shouldn't be saying shit about me being oblivious to the development of the wagon.
I echo the same general ideas that Alchemist had about the way they talk to me being extremely scum leaning but I have very specific ideas here as opposed to Alchemist's vague idea.

Also in defense of Ventriloquist, you've cited MWNN and RMOJ as your reasons for opposing the wagon development.
This doesn't pan out well because although they are voting, neither of their votes are particularly enthusiastic in a way that signifies that they couldn't be scum bussing.

RealMenOnlyJungle has several times after he joined the wagon tried to be like HEY LETS WAGON VERYLAZY INSTEAD.
MWNN took a lot of prompting and comments about his likeliness of being aligned with Ventriloquist before he decided to vote there and hasn't specifically pushed it himself.

Your engagement with me has also been fundamentally monodirectional: rather than trying to understand why my read is what it is you've gotten mad at me for not sharing your reads and been like HEY YOU SHOULD BE READING THIS INSTEAD. I'm not going to claim to be perfect town. But when you make a list of people who can read you and then say that you're a better scum player it makes me extremely skeptical of your ability to fairly judge how good you are: there is literally no one on this site who can claim that they can read me among several people who have told me they've read every single game I've played, and I have one of the largest bodies of work of anyone on this site.

I'm not townreading lazy worth shit: it's completely null. I simply think that the wagon on them is highly liable to be a scum counterwagon.

When bad town starts running the game, it becomes clear that we have already lost.

Don't fail to make any mental effort to appreciate why I'm scumreading a slot then call me bad town for faiing to scumread it, assuming you're town.

Never, ever, ever fail to lynch this slot tomorrow if (when) Ventriloquist flips scum. Don't cop them, don't investigate them, don't discuss with them, just quicklynch them.

It isn't fair to say ETL showed no respect for your reads earlier - fact of the matter is they went through all the posts on page 16 and ultimately decided they didn't agree with your reads - Impossibear still took the time to hear you out at least. Meanwhile, you've ignored the vast majority of Impossibear's posts - posts which actually analyse a huge quantity of players posts. Nice try discrediting the reads since she disagreed with you though, I guess you like to manipulate facts.

MWNN was never being scumread by anyone else as my teammate, only you - when in actuality the close connection you've had with each other - MWNN voting in a similar way to you, and you keeping MWNN at just enough arm's distance to avoid suspicion, actually reads as you two working together from where I'm reading. MWNN did not want to vote for me but eventually came around to the idea...almost as if it was inevitable hey - and his reasoning was because 'I'm not a leader' wow, just wow.

You can already see Ouroboros rubbing their hands with this quote - 'When bad town starts running the game, it becomes clear that we have already lost'

Not only did Impossibear defend vent, vent went out of his way to defend impossibear.

Why was there a mutual defense thing going on?

VOTE: Impossibear

I know I look a bit bad for jumping off the wagon at some point, but dunno, I think the bear slot is my most likely scumread atm after skimming the isos.

[hebichan]

That last sentence got a bit mangled in my morning haze.

That's my scumread most likely to flip scum.

And also I look bad, but I ha my reasons, mostly I didn't want a quickhammer when I wasn't 100% sure of vent flipping scum yesterday.

[hebichan]

You have no idea about me but you think I'm scum?

This is the most nonsensical reads list I've read in awhile.

[hebichan]

I mean, if you don't know what I'm talking about, maybe read your own reads list.

Otherwise, its pretty obvious you're just making things up as you go along here.

[hebichan]

Uhh we lynched vent yesterday, not keade the IC.

Not sure who you're talking to, am I missing something?

[hebichan]

Replacing out

I have no real desire to be playing mafia right now, I'm realizing.

[hebichan]

I mean sure, I guess.

I'm not even sure why you're voting on wilky tbh.

I don't know why my motivation to read this game is so low right now.

[hebichan]

I'm prodded, I'll get back to this tomorrow, I'm running on almost no sleep.

[hebichan]

So, I have something so say here that could change everything. Since I've been gone a few days please uh... let me apologize for not bringing this up pages ago..

I roleblocked davesv.

If we're claiming that the only nightkill was a vig shot off impossibear, then I'm pretty sure I blocked the kill.

VOTE: dave slot

[hebichan]

Oh I never got a pm about that. Sorry.

Ignore me.