Designer Mafia II: Game Over!

[Norinel]

I'd have to assume that this reviver can only revive the previous lynchee, since given a choice between SinisterOverlord or BlueSin to revive, there'd be no reason to not revive SO.

As I noted in V/LA, I'll be gone for a week starting tomorrow; if FD wants to put Nanook back in, that's fine.

[Norinel]

Back, but confused.

[Norinel]

When I said "confused" I meant something more like "Rereading the first half of the thread makes my head hurt." Because it does, for reasons Gaspode outlined in posts 104.

I did manage to look at Silgado and Mgm's posts out of context, and of them I found Mgm's a bit nastier, so

vote: Mgm

. I figure we have a few days to kill.

[Norinel]

I did manage to look at Silgado and Mgm's posts out of context, and of them I found Mgm's a bit nastier, so vote: Mgm.

I figure we have a few days to kill.

In fact, we have a deadline in about 2 days.

I meant game Days, since the kills suggest that the only evil left is one mafia.

Interesting claim, although the results are vague and it's all revealed roles except Silgado. Vote stands for now.

[Norinel]

So, three mafia in one or more groups of three, an SK, and an investigation cult sortof recruiter down, and we're not done yet?

Looks like DS played the sacrifice game, but was struck by The Curse Of MafiaScum Designer Mafia.

I'm tempted to go back to Mgm; FD didn't send me the roles Totem submitted, so I'll have to ask. A Mafia Choice Changer did die N1; maybe he got replacemented? But with half the players gone, there's a good chance whoever submitted it is already dead.

[Norinel]

Mgm, what would you like to share about your Night 4 result?

tss, I assume the Master Spy role was significantly corrupted.

BlueSin: It doesn't look like I or any of my predecessors have said anything about my role. It looks like the only living claimees are BlueSin (Insane Chemist, doc + fake lynch) and Mgm. (Shop Owner, sort of role investigator)

LG claimed to have PopsicleStix as an innocent; since there's little incentive for him to lie, that result could be trustable.

(The Curse Of MafiaScum Designer Mafia is evil dying at night, since it happened so much in the last game and in this one, too.)

[Norinel]

It could be very tangentally connected to my role, but I can think of things that would fit much much better.

[Norinel]

Norinel, could you reveal a bit more on how my investigation relates to your role? (without revealing too much, of course)

It doesn't reveal too much to say that based on my role name, my role relates to science, so paper could be for notes or something. I think that it'd be more likely that you'd find something that'd be related to the particular branch of science my role is involved with or something.

vote: Mgm

. Lynching a claimed investigator is always hard, but for one who hasn't given us any information and gave me a bad feeling yesterday, I feel it's worth shooting the moon.

[Norinel]

Probably should've said "useful information".

Okay, okay.

unvote: Mgm

[Norinel]

I thought about this, and I am very tempted to say that Mgm's scum who Leptonned silgado and went for the paper result on me because he assumed that the reason I'm so after him was that I've investigated him. Very tempted.

Last time I checked, this was not Realistic Mafia.

[Norinel]

All right, enough waffling.

vote: Mgm

. I don't fear someone putting on the last vote and ending the day.

[Norinel]

Ending the day prematurely, that is; it seems mature enough.

[Norinel]

I haven't received any information, and my role doesn't have any reason why I wouldn't. Strange.

[Norinel]

Just got a correction from the mod. I know this'll sound awful, but the result I should've received last night is tss evil.

unvote: Mgm, vote: the silent speaker

[Norinel]

Oh, there's a red and a brown mafia? *squints at front post* Stupid semi-colorblindness.

There's a simple response to the biggest point of that argument: I'm not worried about scum prematurely lynching someone

and ending the day

because we get two lynches today. That was half Freudian slip and half clue.

[Norinel]

A response to tss's long angry post:

Point Zero: This is Designer Mafia. Provable abilities don't mean that much, if anything; we know the scum have individual abilities, and in fact all three revealed scum abilities could be claimed without much trouble. I'd even be hesitant in the case of an ability that cannot possibly hurt the town in any way.

Fuldu is as good as confirmed by events.

How? All I see in a quick check is that he's said verifiable stuff from his recruitment by the Master Spy.

KingEnigma knows I targeted him for investigation (I was hired by Lord Gurgi)

See Point Zero.

BlueSin is mod-confirmed,

See Point Zero.

and PopsicleStix is cop-confirmed.

Conceded, although a standard GF is a slight possiblity.

The next paragraph's invalidated by what I just said now and in my last post, so it gets skipped.

Unvote: Mgm, vote: Norinel.

He got your result, Fuldu, but lied about what it was. Even if you choose not to take my word that he was lying, lynching him will still get the more dangerous group down to one member left. (Sure, for all you know lynching me will do the same, but lynching Norinel definitely will.)

Wait, so even if I'm not lying, I'm still scum? Even if I allow all your clearings, there are four possibles.

Besides, why do you believe Norinel over me? I've also told all regarding your results that came to me, and it's established that what I told was no more and no less than the truth. And Norinel only told what he claims under heavy pressure and then claimed guilty on a person accusing him.

I incline toward Mgm for working together with Norinel. Note that we have two families plus a serial killer, but there were never more than two kills.

Well, until Night 3, we had two very powerful doc roles out there, and if Bluesin's to be trusted, we still have a weak one. There could be yet another.

Vote Norinel. I beg it of you, all of you. You won't be sorry, and I'll be even less so.

Now, lynching me isn't the worst course of action, since the town lynches a scum today whether I'm pro-town or not, but it's certainly not the best, either.

It looks like the next post is pretty much all based on the premises of the one before.

[Norinel]

Ah, missed a point and mangled some tags:

Besides, why do you believe Norinel over me? I've also told all regarding your results that came to me, and it's established that what I told was no more and no less than the truth.

See Point Zero. (Even more so, since it's not a role-specific ability. In this sort of game, scum should lie about little more than their motive.)

And Norinel only told what he claims under heavy pressure and then claimed guilty on a person accusing him.

The only thing I can say is that's the way it is.

[Norinel]

Right, right; Fuldu and BlueSin and I have claimed aspects of our roles which would directly conflict with it. Of course, even if the role is confirmed, I'd be very very surprised if both were town. (With both town, having both members claim Day 1 is just way too good)

Between the fact that it's a holiday weekend in the US and the prod request for PS and KE, I think it would be best to extend the deadline. (And, of course, because a no lynch now would undermine the whole double lynch thing.)

[Norinel]

would like to hear more what the scientist role is supposed to do.

Me too. Norinel, how does the two lynches part fit your role?

Maybe I was told, maybe I caused it. I'd prefer to keep any other usefulness of my role under wraps, and not revealing specifics of the double lynch will stop people from making balance judgements.

[Norinel]

As far as Norinel's power goes, that sounds pretty scummy. I dont really see how that would be in the town's benefit to lynch two people if we cant even find one reliable person to lynch!

It can not possibly harm the town; as long as there's a town majority, the second day can go no lynch if there's not an obvious second lynchee.

I think tss is well into say absolutely anything no matter how ridiculous to avoid being lynched mode; his logic in his last post are based on axioms that are just plain wrong.

[Norinel]

You got investigated by the Master Spy, a neutralish investigative cult recruiter.

[Norinel]

The second lynch will happen; once we make a lynch decision, it'll be like a new day with no night in between.

But second-guessing the mafia choices sucks, the mafia have provable abilities, and tss is scum.

[Norinel]

It's a majority thing, just like a second day on the heels of this one.

[Norinel]

The thing is that I'm not confident, and neither are the other two or three people voting for you.

Can we have a vote count?

[Norinel]

The standard way to do a mafia kill in games that have roleblockers, followers, paranoids, etc. is to have the kill be the choice of whoever does it; since tss was the last red mafia he could've been attacking KE. I think a reread looking at who seemed connected with DS and/or BlueSin (Including anyone who insisted that the latter

had

to be innocent because of his ability.) would be wisest now.

[Norinel]

People who said BlueSin is definitely pro-town: Silgado (dead town), DS (dead scum with BlueSin), Fuldu (Although he backed down a bit), and Narninian (Now PeaceBringer).

We also have Mgm's weird/vague investigations (Which, coincidentally, happen to be the very vaguest when he gives them for someone who hasn't claimed a role yet.) to deal with, but he was perhaps the most vocal against BlueSin's provabililty.

[Norinel]

On second thought,

vote: Mgm

.

BlueSin's real role doesn't have anything to do with chemistry or investigative immunity.

[Norinel]

Last night, there were two killing groups remaining and both of them made their kills.

How do you know that? All you have to suppose is a third killing group and that KE's role blocks most actions targetting him.

Besides, Mgm claimed the nitro result was from Night 2, before BlueSin claimed.

[Norinel]

Or one of the handful of unclaimed roles is a vig, or a killer got an extra kill for some reason, or KE's role is inaccurate, or FD's been lying in the descriptions of the mafia, or...

Why are you so obsessed with the lack of a good reason why he wouldn't be lying when there's no good reason why he would?

[Norinel]

Sorry, not in much shape to process the bizarre claimage and post something interesting right now.

I see Norinel, Fuldu, PBuG, and PeaceBringer on Mgm, but I'm not an unvote Nazi and don't remember whether or not FD is.

[Norinel]

Ah, the investigation. Three scum in one Day might be a record, but I don't think it's the bodycount in one Day record. (A normal game had a drive by daykill that got two or three on top of a lynch.)

And if you want a random fact, neither I nor either of my predecessors (Although they only cast one vote between them) ever voted for anyone pro-town.

[Norinel]

Maybe for the next in the series, you could do mathcam's role/motive split? Each player submits a role that can be used by multiple alignments or a role of the form "If you are town, your role is X, if not, your role is Y", and optionally a weird motive, and use all the roles, some of the motives, and town/mafia/SK to finish it off.