Labyrinth Mafia (Endgame)

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btw no I'm not a shit town player

the methods I use are just unexplainable, so I generally don't explain them

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pedit: check her sig for my comments there

"Someday, everything will make perfect sense. So for now, laugh at the confusion, smile through the tears, and keep reminding yourself that everything happens for a reason."

yeah that about says it all right there

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tbf

everyone dissed on my brass and kokichi reads when I first replaced in and PoIed them

and then they were both revealed to be scum

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I never went into what I was trying to do there

I was trying to get another angle behind where my thoughts were because the last scum was eluding me, I just made the mistake of posting the process in the thread and having everyone confbias against pre-flip VCA

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That game, I INSTANTLY had a strong, accurate bead on the game that was reinforced as the game went on. It was strongly confident.

Here, I don't have the instant strong bead, this is more of a "confident if shown correct initially, otherwise not" game

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I'll get to it later

the thing is I'm kind of hesitant to respond to it because a page full of quote walls is one of the least fun things I've ever seen in mafia (HI 2011 META)

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you're going to get a lot of false positives from me if you read me by how often I'm ignoring your questions

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Is Anka this bad as town?

I'm quoting this at the end of the game btw

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and I'm putting it right above worst's

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When I really have my head in a game - like I do here, I almost always have good reads.

do you have the "nobody ever understands my correct cases" thing too

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I still feel bad for how mean that sounds out of context
just hoping you find it dryly funny now

it just means I can use vca as a threat now

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Sorry, I don’t see this at all. What I see is a sincere villagery process leading to SOSME misguided conclusions. All this wall really convinces me of is how villagery the worst, Sajj are. I think you are reaching. I also fail to see Sho/Creature connection. And while Wheme isn’t currently in my POE, I’m very far from hardtown reading him. You are wrong about both Sho and random. I think the worst was probably right about you possibly being “bad town”, because you sound like you really believe all of the questionable conclusions you’re drawing. I think a) Sho was confused about the underground hood with you/worst/Sajj and drew erroneous conclusions az a result of that. b) While I still think you’re probably town, I don’t think Sho’s reasons for scumreading you are really that off the wall. Why? Simply because it is so damned important to have a maj lynch today, your “no info” anti-Creature push IS and should be highly suspect, solely based on that. The reason I’m townreading you is because I really feel you have actually confibiased and duped yourself and are earnestly and sincerely trying to make the rest of us drink the same koolade that you drank.

this is really feeling like necromancer all over again

except you're

mostly

obvtown instead of blatantly obvtown this time

Are you seriously trying to shade me here? NAGL IMO.

So, by being “mostly” obvtown instead of “blatantly” obvtown is because I’m actively engaged and actually doing something useful in this game? Okay.

Really really disliking this subtle shade.

this is really feeling like necromancer all over again

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nancy if I was going to do that

I would've done it far earlier than now

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that's probably the best example of what I'm saying honestly

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taly

read my posts throughout day two

that would explain most of the questions you have (and probably will have) for me

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Yes I'm still there GIF

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Yes I'm still there GIF

Is this still the current reads?

That was my answer

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Idk

Probably?

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Ugh GiF is scum
Feels bad man

probably yes

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my main got prodded for some reason

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Nancy Drew 39 is obvtown even without investigative
NicoRobin is obvtown even without investigative
Scioness Sajj is very close to obvtown
the worst is closeish, there's just a couple things that are worrying about how they're playing

Taly needs to post stuff, but probably town
joral needs to be replaced, but probably town
WhemeStar is probably town (he did something that was really town very early on in the game, only not higher right now before he hasn't done a whole lot since then)

TGPKAP is the most likely town of the four
I think I'll be able to have GIF sorted sooner rather than later, so that should be a huge help

so

Shoshin > ArcAngel9 > Creature > randommidget

That's my current read of the scumteam from most confident to least confident.

btw no I'm not a shit town player

the methods I use are just unexplainable, so I generally don't explain them

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I'm starting to think that maybe GIF is in my 'most likely scum in poescum' list instead of randommidget

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Spoiler:

VOTE: the worst

VOTE: joral

I don't really think Joral is scum tbh

Why not?

VOTE: Reality

I don't

really

think Joral is scum

tbh

I bolded some of the language that pinged me. At this point, it made no sense from a town perspective to hesitantly defend Joral - literally none - and language like "really" and "tbh" suggests that Reality don't believe what they're saying themselves. And when questioned about it, Reality completely ignored me... So I'm happy with where my vote is.

this progression is not natural

the worst, what's your read on Reality? any reason I'm wrong about them?

faintly nullish badtown rn across the both heads

Why badtown rather than scum?

faintly nullish badtown rn across the both heads

Why badtown rather than scum?

dem reads

Yeah, they're pretty bad - but why is that town rather than scum?

this shift is not natural after the above

i don't really like 145. but since we are speaking is there anything else that you don't like about rc?

Their reads suck, they lack any sort of internal logic, and their play feels passive. You're probably right that I'm distant but don't take that as a scum-tell - I'm guessing it's because I don't know anyone so I'm relating to people as strangers, whereas most others here seem to have some history together.

this is independently scummy

If Reality's town, there's a certain degree of paranoia underlying Wheme's vote that feels very town. Like, why would scum Wheme alienate town Reality, the one player who reads Wheme as strong town?

this type of logic is what I'm reading in Shoshin's interactions towards us, plus there's this weird feeling that shoshin is already setting up for our townflip despite having no support for it happening

...I can't follow your thought process too well with some of these votes.

What don't you follow? I explained the vote on Reality but it's obvious nobody wants to pressure them so I'm voting my other suspect. What's confusing about the vote on Sajj? She posts lots of meaningless commentary and doesn't commit to anything.

"I'm not scummy, I swear! look! there's another person doing exactly the same thing as me!"

Look at my correct % in recent games. I'm done trying to convince you people. My record speaks for itself.

I don't think scum would boast about how great their reads usually are.

shoshin has never met the mod before

VOTE: the worst for an answer on why Sajj is town.

sweaty get off your high horse and go find actual scum

If you helped me out, then maybe I wouldn't vote you. But if you're going to obscure your alignment, then I'm going to assume it's because you're scum.

every other post in my ISO is transparent and conspicuously town motivated. if you get a stick up your ass abt one post which is VERY OBVIOUSLY hinting that I'm planning something with obscuring my read then I can only assume you're scum using an insanely stupid tunnel as a smokescreen.

I disagree. I still have no clue why you read Reality as "badtown" rather than "scum," and you've cluttered the game with tons of pointless posts. I liked your vote on Wheme and that was about it. I've seen scum do exactly what you've done in this game multiple times (including the whole "I'm not going to explain my reads yet because I have plans"), so if that's how you're going to play, I'm going to vote you until I have strong reason to believe you're town. I was hoping your explanation on Sajj would help me read you and her better... but I guess you don't want that?

weak

this is the type of trend I've been seeing in a lot of Shoshin's votes; there's a lot of making up reasons to fit a scumread that they decided to have without a whole lot of sound analysis behind it. read: their later worst/realitycheck scumreads, it's FULL of this

WhemeStar - leans town for pushing Creature/Random and because overall he seems to play without any concern for appearances in a way that's more likely to come from town than scum.

Joral - leans town because of his early play but hasn't posted enough to solidify a read.

Vartsun (Varsoon/Taly) - leans town because they haven't done anything to make me think otherwise plus early post seem aimed at sorting alignments.

ArcAngel9 - leans town, because of early negative utility claim, which I think is more likely to be town than scum motivated, and recent posting doesn't really make much sense from a scum perspective - it's the sort of crazy that's more likely to come from town than scum.

the three townreads on whemestar/joral/vartsun are all natural because they're correct. the townread on arcangel9 is jagged and more vague than the others despite having more words on it.

So, basically, I'm willing to lynch any of the worst, Reality, Creature, or Random.

this team makes no sense

The Worst + Reality suspecting each other on D1 but coming into D2 100% convinced they're town? Makes sense as scum interactions.

Reality delaying the lynching of Creature? Makes sense as scum/scum.

Reality listing Random as possible scum but as soon as I point out that Random is scum Reality votes me for idiotic reasons and doesn't say anything about Random at all? Makes sense as scum/scum.

The Worst supporting Reality's vote on me while offering no comments on Random? Makes sense as scum/scum.

It actually makes too much sense that I'm worried it's wrong somewhere.

bad logic followed by a preemptive /out from seeing this through

I skipped a bunch of posts and didn't go through the whole ISO, but this should be enough to at least show what I'm trying to say regarding Shoshin-scum

1. Read trajectories make no sense
2. Her playstyle reads as significantly leaning towards stream of conscious; players with this style that roll scum have a tendency to want to make sure their thoughts can be seen as consistent, which is why there's a lot of weird justifications for her votes and thoughts that are just added on, like it's an afterthought
3. She is trying to look like she has solid stances, yet she also tries to give herself as much room as possible to change them if she needs to.

Now if you cross-reference it with my reads...

It makes a lot of sense for her to be scum with AA9
It makes sense for her to be scum with Creature
I could see her also being scum with TGPKAP
Somewhat possible scum with random (mainly true if a lot of the general reads in this game are correct, that would need to be verified first)
Not quite as likely scum with Renais/GIF

Shoshin + ArcAngel9 + (Creature/randommidget/GIF/TGPKAP)

it makes a lot of sense where I'm standing

AA9 I don't think I've ever gone into, I'd have to read through her posts again to refresh my memory since I don't think I went into it very much in the hydra PT either. It's probably the type of things she's commented on and her stances.

The other four are just outside of my townreads.

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honestly

the only reason I don't have joral locktowned is because he flaked and really just kind of petered out over time

his early posting was really really town

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nico (I assume) copped nancy and got town

nico independently is town because I find it very difficult to believe scum-her ever tries to provoke this slot as scum, that's tantamount to suicide
nancy I can understand that there's an internal thought process and I can tell there's attempts to solve the game throughout her posting despite agreeing with roughly 0% of it; it's the type of thing that I pick up on very easily and it's very difficult to fool me with that

scioness sajj is partly underground stuff, but I don't really want to go into the process of where I got this townread because it's the type of thing that's effective, but almost impossible to show why it's effective (aka people will just discount what I'm saying entirely if I go into it)
the worst similar to sajj, although the recent posting by him is starting to worry me a bit over time; it doesn't feel like necromancer-worst.

taly (varsoon never posted once) is a case of most of their ISO being null, but the parts that aren't look town. I also somewhat get the impression that some of the things he's been posting about and some of his stances don't quite fit a scum mindset. it's my weakest townread for sure, but I don't necessarily think it's wrong right now.

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honestly

the only reason I don't have joral locktowned is because he flaked and really just kind of petered out over time

his early posting was really really town

How so?

If you are struggling to explain why find the post that town pinged you.

his reaction to the votes on him, mainly

I don't think it's very common for people to be able to mimic the type of process behind it (namely the response + the general post trajectory), generally scum are either more one-dimensional or it feels a lot more fake than it did.

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EDI says there are problems there.

Did Nico claim an investigative? Did they claim cop on nancy? You said an assume. Why would you out something like that? If they did there would be no assuming. If they didn’t why make it public knowledge?

Why would poking your slot be tantamount to suicide? I am seeing some things I find horrible right now. Hell I went on three suicidal missions and saved the universe each time so guess I like pain.

In order to sort your slot I must poke it.

I mean nico outed an investigative innocent on nancy, I'm just assuming it's a cop action and not another investigative

Nico can't push this slot because:

1. Nico is very very very very weak at direct confrontations and handles pressure badly
2. mastina can read her very well
3. I've shown her before that I have a very high conviction as town

she wouldn't survive us turning on her like that

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like

she outright threatened to investigate us even after myself as well as two other slots in the game told her why it's a really bad idea (I can quote if I absolutely have to)

that is ballsy as fuck for scum-nico

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mastina hasn't posted since early in the game

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Out of hydra Ego post.

I'm gonna tell a joke. (Which'll continue on said hydra.)

Knock, knock.

Who's there

Eventually, you.

...Okay, that's probably not the funniest of jokes. Let me try again.

Knock, knock.

Who's there?

I'd say the whole neighborhood.

...No?

Okay, one final go then.

Knock, knock.

Who's there?

I'd say the whole neighborhood.

...No?

Okay, one final go then.

Knock, knock.

who's there?

...Where?
I've been keeping my eye out for him, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't play mafia anymore......

Hi

What is labryinth

I wish the goblins would come and take you away right now.

Town.

VOTE: Shoshin

bruuuuuuh
im so stoned rn

Town?

hi
who's the biggest wagon?

Scum?

VOTE: the worst

VOTE: Reality Check

Scum.

yo

Town.

It's a page 2 vote on two sentences of material, it's not exactly like I did detailed analysis. Looking back at it, it feels like it's trying to seem extra casual about the RVS votes. The OMGUS on Wheme looks worse, so #24's less relevant anyway.

Town?

I'll let mastina judge AA9's softclaim, she's far better at that sort of thing than I am.

For the record overall would have to have her as 'Town?', but would prefer more to place her there especially since I'm coming up one scum short.

Then again, most players haven't posted yet, so.

NOT CROSSREFERENCED WITH HYDRA PARTNER:

WhemeStar
NicoRobin
TPFKAP
Joral
Princess of Renais
TehBrawlGuy
ArcAngel9
Nancy Drew 39
Vartsun (Varsoon/Taly)
Riku
Scioness Sajj
The Worst
Shoshin

Something like this.

still there?

Prolly not, no. Signing off of the account actually.

this is every mastina post iirc

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Also, I am over the last day too. So anyone who wants to lynch Nancy will have to go through me first. So bring it on, nerdz.

Then read 812 and read it between the lines. I won't talk to you till you do.

Anyone who votes me or Nancy is scum. This ain't a bluff. I am a baby with power. You have been warned.

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this is me going into why investigating this slot is bad

only if you make good investigates

speaking of which, don't ever investigate this slot

if we weren't already a mid-high priority NK, that would jump us straight to the top and that's outright TERRIBLE for town

(this slot will be obvtown eventually anyways)

ank-head is far more likely to be caught by play than mastina-head

fear as scum for me is more resistance to being manipulated effectively

(this slot will be obvtown eventually anyways)

this is really important to my point, btw

either we get investigated and become obvtown immediately, which means we're pretty much guaranteed to die the next night

...or we only die after we become obvtown by play, which means we get more time to cause a lot of damage to the scumteam

I didn't tell you not to investigate us because we're town

I told you not to investigate us because it's bad for town

slots like Renais/TPFKAP are better investigates

partially because they're hard to read

but also partially because then everyone will shut up about them if they turn up town

yes, I'm saying you're looking at it from the wrong perspective, although that's understandable since I doubt you have seen mastina and myself in the same game before

the thing is, my strength revolves around how accurate a read I have on the gamestate and how scum are manipulating it; that's really all it takes for it to be close to inevitable that I'll have every scum caught.

mastina has seen this in effect, multiple times (even if it's rare I last long enough to see it through). When she sees I've hit that point,

she follows me and builds off of it

because every single time this has happened, town has been far better off for it.

so

if I'm on that track, then odds are good that I'll be consistently posting a lot throughout the rest of the game. It will be obvious this slot is town because our dynamic doesn't make any sense as scum

even if you believe we're scum, you'd have to consider what our plan is and whether it makes any sense with what's happening, because I guarantee that any scumteam in this playerlist with us in it either leads the whole group altogether or has a huge hand in it.

this is the worst going into why it is bad

so Anka is good at town but (based on second hand meta) doesn't have a strong scum game. our interactions in the Underground have me reasonably comfortable townreading her and her posts here are making me more comfortable. if she is scum we will catch her later.

mastina is eh at town with currently sub par reads, and good at scum. if anka stops posting and Mastina starts posting and it's clear she's pushing an agenda we just lynch RC lol.

If she's scum we'll catch her.
if she's town she'll prolly be night killed before endgame.

it's better to throw investigations towards slots which are LESS likely to be NK'd, and slots which are more difficult to read. Taly's main strength is being able to force others to produce content, his reads are hit and miss but his scumplay is very difficult to tell from his town play. he's unlikely to eat a night kill, which means if he's scum we've caught a deepwolf and if he's town then we've probably locked in a lategame confirmed townie.

similar with Renais, and I wouldn't cop TPFKAP. if we hit like say 5p LyLo with conftown Renais, that removes the lynchbait from LyLo. and Renais is never getting NK'd hahaha

this is nancy not quite going into why it's bad but more saying it's not optimal

Bit let me also deliver an ultimatum. If I end up with a guilty on RC *the player, not the mod* lynch 'em without question. And if I die, treat it like it was a guilty.

While I vehemently disagree with Reality on Shoshin, I agree with them re: investigation. I respectfully but honestly don’t think it’s the best use of your ability. I think there are far bigger question marks in this game. I strongly advise you looking there first. However, I understand it’s ultimately your call to make.

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btw regarding 'the scum plan if we're scum' part

mastina is very good at creating plans as scum and creating situations that are better longer term for scum
I'm competent at reading the gamestate and can find good options to progress it along (I can prove this, I won corpse party as scum almost entirely through good nightkills), but I'm not necessarily the best at direct manipulation

I don't get the impression that most of the playerlist is at this caliber of scum manipulation or manipulation technique, so it's very very very likely that any scumteam that has this slot in it will be either led entirely by us or will have us as a big contributor

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I'll poke mastina about scumgames, she'd have a better idea of how to show my point better than I would I think

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=61253&hilit=corpse+party

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I think so yes

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because the most active slots were sent away for the day

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your entire approach and the way it has shifted over time just doesn't sit quite right

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dw I'm pretty new too

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dw I'm pretty new too

Oooh how new are you? Weren’t you claiming like being good scum earlier like?

first game on the site

hell yeah

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oh

uh except for those

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damn I was so close

will you accept a cookie as a bribe?

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I'd love it if you pushed me

I want to see what happens

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Idk

I kinda want to get pushed

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it doesn't feel like it

I'm not even sweating, and that's also with the disadvantage of the house being too hot

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no no no no please

what did I do to deserve this?

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ok ok ok

just... p-put the dot away

please

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your entire approach and the way it has shifted over time just doesn't sit quite right

What about his Creature progression? How is that not the very epitome of villageryness?

I went into this earlier, if I was scum with Creature, I'd be looking to use his flip to try to put the team in a better spot overall

tunneling Creature isn't necessarily town

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I thought I saw one more thing I wanted to respond to but I couldn't find it when I switched accounts

maybe it wasn't that important after all

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time to burn the thread down

whos with me?

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this game doesn't make any sense anymore

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mastina still hasn't posted in the thread since last month

but I give up on trying to convince you of that so whatever

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Someone did something really spicy last night.

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I kind of want to try to fish them out since it's pretty blatantly town, but I don't want to at the same time because it's a more effective role when hidden.

Hmmmmmmm

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cheese

no cheese allowed

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RC is just jealous

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btw regarding 'the scum plan if we're scum' part

mastina is very good at creating plans as scum and creating situations that are better longer term for scum
I'm competent at reading the gamestate and can find good options to progress it along (I can prove this, I won corpse party as scum almost entirely through good nightkills), but I'm not necessarily the best at direct manipulation

I don't get the impression that most of the playerlist is at this caliber of scum manipulation or manipulation technique, so it's very very very likely that any scumteam that has this slot in it will be either led entirely by us or will have us as a big contributor

Link to corpse party and a scum game of mastina’s please?

sorry this is late, mastina answered this during day two but I was lazy, so


Star Wars Rogue One
Organization XIII
National Geographic Mafia
Turn of Camn
XP Mafia
Inventions Mafia

here's mastina-scum being less active in the thread and being more active only in the scum PT and hydra PT
Civilization Mafia

and here's mastina-scum as a traitor
Mystery at King's Landing

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shitty town..

Nancy is scum. We should lynch her today.

Like Nico?

Nico was useless. so i called her off

AND YOU'RE SCUM. PERIOD.

I CALL UP ON ANGELS TO KILL THE DEMONS OF THIS TOWN.

the only reason I'm thinking this slot might be town

is because this push is even worse than the Nico one

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shitty town..

Nancy is scum. We should lynch her today.

Like Nico?

Nico was useless. so i called her off

AND YOU'RE SCUM. PERIOD.

I CALL UP ON ANGELS TO KILL THE DEMONS OF THIS TOWN.

Nico cop cleared me n1 Sherlock. Have you considered a career in standup?

Tecccccchnically you’re not cleared because Creature flipped redirector enabler but that would have required scum to intentionally redirect Nico. However that possibility is rather slim so it’s imho not worth investigating

who the fuck would redirect Nico ever

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sajj posting today is weird but I don't really see scum behind it(?)

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I don't have much reason to deviate from my reads from yesterday, so

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like

I still think Shoshin's general posting patterns aren't town

AA9 is a pretty old scumread of mine

The only thing that's particularly different is that I'm probably townreading a scum somewhere, but I don't really feel a need to hunt that out right now.

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I still think Shoshin's general posting patterns aren't town

AA9 is a pretty old scumread of mine

The only thing that's particularly different is that I'm probably townreading a scum somewhere, but I don't really feel a need to hunt that out right now.

I strongly believe she’s town.

yeah this is one reason I don't really care about the game right now

I don't feel like casing her again because she knows how to drown it out and I don't think I can convince you all otherwise

so

:SHRUG:

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convince you all without a case*

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VOTE: arcangel9

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like I said

I don't care enough to push shoshin

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you're going to be dead long before that, worst

and so will I lol

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I hope you're right because I think only a mechanical guilty will lose scum the game if you're wrong

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and btw, shoshin's style is similar to mine from a few years ago

and it doesn't feel like town-me-from-a-few-years-ago

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the way she hides information is so familiar
the way she tries to push reactions from engagements is so familiar
the problem is both of those have the same stink my posts do when I'm faking them

the way she's pushing me has the same type of OMGUSy feel that I have when I see a push on me that I don't think is town
the problem is it's fake, I don't get the impression she believes her own cases from this

it's like I'm playing a game with myself from 2013/2014

and it's the 2013/2014 me that fakes my 2013/2014 town meta

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is this an Anka soulread?

it's a feeling at least

I think I've gotten more nuanced about how I play that style, but the basic principles are still there

and Shoshin's style feels really eerily similar to it

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fwiw I think pushing things that kinda seem ridiculous is a very Shoshinesque trait generally speaking...

that's me as both alignments

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Do you strongly get the impression she really doesn't believe what she's posting as well?

here's a counter question for you

how do you read her level of conviction over time this game?

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I'm not talking like day phase to day phase, I'm talking about push to push to focus shift to etc.

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Reality, you'd probably read me better if you stopped comparing how I play to how you play because we obviously think very differently about the game.

that's basically just the most likely explanation for why a lot of your posts feel so weird

I know the manipulating-information style of playing because I'm an expert at it

there's examples in the thread that you use that style because you're using the same tricks I do

so it's not necessarily true that I'm comparing you to me specifically, I'm comparing your play to what I know of how this playstyle works

and what I'm seeing equates to scum far more often than town.

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I've actually found Shoshin's conviction as pretty earnest. she's like strongly spewed frustration when I've pushed her buttons and the stuff she's been pushing hasn't really felt all that forced to me..

but has it shifted beyond that

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Someone did something really spicy last night.

I kind of want to try to fish them out since it's pretty blatantly town, but I don't want to at the same time because it's a more effective role when hidden.

Hmmmmmmm

nancy, is there any non-zero chance this could apply to you

no clarification beyond yes or no please, I'm not sure how to match the quoted posts to a player without outing their role yet

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Someone did something

really spicy

last night.

I kind of want to try to fish them out since it's pretty blatantly town, but I don't want to at the same time because it's a more effective role when hidden.

Hmmmmmmm

nancy, is there any non-zero chance this could apply to you

no clarification beyond yes or no please, I'm not sure how to match the quoted posts to a player without outing their role yet

emphasis on the bolded btw

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the level of spicy that you don't get from boring obvious role actions

the level of spicy that you get from really interesting not-necessarily-obvious-without-context role actions

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Someone did something really spicy last night.

I kind of want to try to fish them out since it's pretty blatantly town, but I don't want to at the same time because it's a more effective role when hidden.

Hmmmmmmm

nancy, is there any non-zero chance this could apply to you

no clarification beyond yes or no please, I'm not sure how to match the quoted posts to a player without outing their role yet

I’m not sure who you’re referring to with this post but I’m sure it isn’t me. Lol.

okay, that's actually very very good

it means we could have another locktown today

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just in case

the same question in 2047/2050 goes to you shoshin

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are you saying that I would've caught all three scum instead of just two in necromancer if everyone called me bad between when I replaced in and started posting

because that would've been hilarious

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and also scary because the third scum posted like once before that

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GIF's role isn't spicy

Angel's is spicy but for the wrong reasons

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just in case

the same question in 2047/2050 goes to you shoshin

shoshin this is important because if YOU are the source of this, then it changes a lot of things

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GIF's role isn't spicy

Angel's is spicy but for the wrong reasons

So you are aware of a villa who did something spicy last night?

In what way?

answering this will give away too much, I think

but it'll be very obvious who the source is once I find them

and the source is locktown

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I did something last night but I dunno if it's what you're referring to, Reality. So that's a pretty pointless question to ask me.

follow up:

is it the type of role that functions immediately?

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I mean is it the type of role that resolves at the end of the night

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is it the type of role that functions immediately?

I don't know what that means. I think the way I used my role confirms me as town in light of what happened last night but that's all I'm saying about that.

I'm like almost 0% confident you're the slot I'm looking for after this post though

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most roles resolve at the end of the night

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90% of my read on the game is

"checked out of the game"

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nvm nancy

I'll go into what exactly I'm trying to do here post-game and explain it later

if I go into that more here, the odds of someone figuring it out goes up, which would be really really bad

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Someone did something

really spicy

last night.

I kind of want to try to fish them out since it's pretty blatantly town, but I don't want to at the same time because it's a more effective role when hidden.

Hmmmmmmm

nancy

commander shepard, is there any non-zero chance this could apply to you

no clarification beyond yes or no please, I'm not sure how to match the quoted posts to a player without outing their role yet

emphasis on the bolded btw

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Reality, if it's better the role remains hidden, stop fishing.

I know how to handle PRs

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Reality, if it's better the role remains hidden, stop fishing.

I know how to handle PRs

Good to know.

Then go find the meat of my sandwich of what I have been saying.

Because you keep looking at bread. Find the other head if you have to.

I say things without saying them like MathBlade does.

Also Shoshin if around in lylo is policy. But I am 95% sure they won’t be. They are town.

so you're confirming that you're very likely the slot I'm looking for?

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okay, cool

here's your followup:

I did something last night but I dunno if it's what you're referring to, Reality. So that's a pretty pointless question to ask me.

follow up:

is it the type of role that functions immediately?

I mean is it the type of role that resolves at the end of the night

do you understand why I asked this question next?

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okay, I think I have a decent idea of what's going on now if I'm reading your hints correctly

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yeah, I understand it now

I'll need to reorient myself from it, though

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Commander Shepherd
Nancy Drew 39
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Shoshin

ArcAngel9
Chickadee
randomidget
Scioness Sajj
Taly
The Worst
WhemeStar

that's a good operational townblock to start from at least

idk maybe I'll follow up on this with another read through at some point

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it means town that helps scum by being alive

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both lists are alphabetized

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Commander Shepherd
Nancy Drew 39
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Shoshin

ArcAngel9
Chickadee
randomidget
Scioness Sajj
Taly
The Worst
WhemeStar

that's a good operational townblock to start from at least

idk maybe I'll follow up on this with another read through at some point

I would put Shoshin a darker green than us. Mainly Shoshin is town because her flip will happen before mine. If she ever makes it to lylo she is policy.

that's not something I'm worried about; I think I'm starting to understand the gamestate now, and if I'm accurate, then that will be sorted out before lylo.

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nancy, I'm not factoring my reads into this

that's a "strongly-town-indicative-mechanically" list and an "everyone-else" list

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Shepard, you realize that you're incentivizing scum to leave me alive until LYLO?

this is a non-issue unless something majorly fucked is going on

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time to sleep

have a good

night

morning everyone

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chickadee was our partner

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Also btw high chance if goblin king isnt town or the mod that its a GF

I think it’s really interesting that we haven’t had a replay of the underground incident on d2. Since that was mostly bad for town - temporarily removing the top 3 posters but also positive in allowing them to have a hood, then the masquerade ball - also good for town because more hoods: it was interestingly the tipping point for the worst to finally be beyond convinced that her hydra buddy was almost certain scum in this game.

Also that hillariously ironic video that RC posted kind if makes me wonder if Reality might have actually been onto something with that.

Could it all possibly have been player based and Jareth really be a 3P?

what specifically are you referring to?

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would you believe me if I said I thought AA9 was the source of those for a long time now

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good because there's pretty strong evidence for it in what AA9 has been posting throughout d1/2

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gif is dead

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on the bright side

a townflip means I should be pretty close to obvtown

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I say should because nobody here actually knows firsthand that GIF is one of the few people that can read me accurately really easily

so it actually doesn't mean anything

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AA9 do you have anything to do with the goblin king

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yeah I'm not going to lie, Sajj has been looking a lot worse lately

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sajj is scummy for it by how she's approaching it more than what she's saying

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iirc Sajj kind of dropped out of the conversation while worst and I were hashing our feelings about mafia and how much we (mainly I) hate it

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because the one in a dozen games where I play really well or learn a lot is worth the 9-10 games of torture and 1-2 games of being unable to care

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iirc Sajj kind of dropped out of the conversation while worst and I were hashing our feelings about mafia and how much we (mainly I) hate it

and what does it tell you?

that you didn't care at the time

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tbf none of us cared

but worst is a cool person in general so I talked to him anyways

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AA9

for the fucking 20th time

mastina hasn't posted in the thread in the past

MONTH

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she's barely even been keeping up because of RL things

she hasn't had updated reads since early-mid day one

she offers her opinion on some of the stuff I've been posting in the hydra PT, but it's not extensive by any means

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the ball is net-positive

neighborhoods are pro-town with competent town

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nancy who did you target N2

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okay, I'm really confused because then CShep can't have been the source of the info I got at the end of night two

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exactly

that's a contradiction

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that's fine, I only needed your N2 target

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I don't really blame him, that was actually a pretty smart play

The game might have shifted enough to where a massclaim really is the smartest move, though

despite how hesitant I am to out my info

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I understand what Sajj is getting at

tbh I'm not sure whether that's a town or scum action, I could see it being either

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you'll probably understand what I mean after day hits tomorrow

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Any chance we can do a mass N2 target claim

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I want to solve the game today and I think that will be a massive step towards that

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do I really have to right now

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there is actually a lot of reason for me to go last, I'm actually prohibited from lying about anything since at least one other slot also knows the information I have

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that order too, roughly

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Taly needs to start existing

I'm getting mixed up sorry

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Do we have a list of claims so far?

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If Taly lens this day out, I'm powerlymching that slot

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Lurks

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Cool

This game should be close to solved then

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worst

how does your role work exactly

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I don't really get it

most of it appears to be because they apparently have a hood and were scumreading each other based on it?

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UNVOTE: Shoshin
VOTE: Taly

dramatic moment ruined

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mastina thinks it's possible we're in LyLo tomorrow

so

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well

if we mislynch and Sajj hits a town

then we just lose

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because I'm sick of that slot having done absolutely fucking nothing for the past like... three day phases

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Targets, random.

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The fuck

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You literally never used it so far?

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Finish first, we only need Taly I think

I will claim for Wheme

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Nancy

wait until Taly claims

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and if Taly doesn't claim, I'm taking it as a scumclaim and driving that slot into the ground

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I have a theory for what's going on but I don't want to share it yet

I want to wait until tomorrow when Taly finally shows up and does something first

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I wouldn't say the theory is magnificent

you'll probably be disappointed

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but when it's my time to claim

that will be more magnificent

and also somehow more disappointing because that's how it works

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dw I confuse myself on an hourly basis

and that's on a slow day

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nyaaaaaaa~

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I knew I picked this quote for our signature for a reason

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I see Taly hasn't posted yet

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since almost all signs seems to support Sajj’s claim.

This is NAI

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this game lol

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btw random sent me a message

I assume it was random anyways

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I'm not moving from Taly until he does something

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Ask the mod, Nancy

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Does it say explicitly that they know they are role locked, unambiguously?

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how dramatic

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I read the last five or so pages on my way home

I found a post I wanted to respond to, but I don't remember what it was or feel like going back to find it again

You're welcome for the overwhelming helpfulness

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Fine, hold on.

I'm doing this from a phone.

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Whemestar and Reality Check are Knockers

Both of us share a neighborhood and a Voyeur ability. The ability works in a weird way; we both start as one-shot Voyeurs, but one becomes a full Voyeur if the other dies.

Whemestar used his shot on ours night one, we were not targeted.
We used our shot on NicoRobin night two. She was targeted by a killing action, a protective action, and.... guess who:

VOTE: randommidget

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The third action was communicative

Random's role is the only one that fits.

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CSheps doesn't work because I would've seen a recruit action

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Unless there's a bizarre mechanic or mod error, then that is correct.

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Reality confirms me as town either way so that's good news.

Not necessarily

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Lol okay Reality...

It works if you're a doctor and was gambiting a protect on the cop

It makes even more sense if scum had extra insight into the setup that we don't know about

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@Mod: what result would a Voyeur get from CShep's role?

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No point, the jailkeep wasn't used since I didn't see a blocking action

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No, blocks prevent it

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Best wait for RC then, because if I only get communicative, then that's a fail

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I should get recruit too from a neighborizer

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RC just responded via PM and the result is even more confusing

If I'm interpreting this correctly, then apparently I should only have seen recruit from him

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RC said we would get the same result as we would from a neighborizer

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RC also said I don't know what that result is, so it's very unlikely he would answer that

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When did I imply that?

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That's not an objective town block

That's a "I'm going to assume these are town and work from there" block

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The townread on Wheme was because of how he pushed me for something I said in the neighborhood

There hasn't been a whole lot else since that was overly indicative

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Anyways I have like 80% of the posts in the neighborhood anyways so it's not like much has been going on

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Nah just under 50% actually

But still a lot

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although I will state that with how much I've been putting in the neighborhood and how open I've been

if Wheme was scum and I was on track to destroying his team, I would've died by now.

that's partly a reason why I was pushing Taly today

sorry, wrong kitty

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mastina agrees

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but

she's not confident in that, it's solely on setup stuff that I've been feeding to her

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he said so in the pm but I don't think we will get in thread confirmation.

He said he forgot? He should confirm it in thread then.

Worst asked in the thread about this already and in the meantime Reality got answers via PM from RC so I assume he won't speak about it here.

Reality, can you confirm this?

yes

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Wisdom

Claim

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didn't somebody ask me where my townread on Wheme came from or did I dream that

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I thought shoshin did but I can't find a mention of it at all

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I can't find it

worst are you pulling my paw

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oh you

the implications are scary though

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you're the only slot that hasn't claimed

claim

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general rule of thumb tho it makes sense for scum to be in {Wheme, RC} and also for scum to be in {rando, chick}
so down to lynch Wheme tbh but what's RC's read?

I’m townreading Reality for the exact opposite reasons I scumread her in Minuet. Her NA is entirely consistent with a town mindset.

I still don't understand this

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like

if you want to scumread the mindset behind what I did in that game, then that's fair

but I don't think the way I used my night actions compared to those reads were out of character at all

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(I went into this in the dead thread. I would not have jailed Nos N2 as town)

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real talk worst

who actually reads the thread in a mafia game

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It's NAI Nancy

Mastina thinks scum are very strong here and I still believe there's a reasonable possibility there was a gambit at work there.