We can assume this was ofrhz from what they said in the thread which I assume is who you want lynched by saying this. I would, however, make 2 points for ofrhz. First of all, it's just as likely that mafia killed ausuka to make ofrhz look bad as it is ofrhz killed ausuka to prevent a guilty on them. Preventing someone from becoming confirmed town is still appealing to mafia. They would have wanted ausuka dead either way. Point 2, ofrhz is far townie in my party PT. I doubt that means much to anyone else though.In post 1737, WhemeStar wrote:I’d much rather lynch the person ausuka was going to check
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BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT A THREATIn post 1740, Ruby Red wrote:HOW IS HEBICHAN STILL ALIVEI mostly just lurk now.-
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And by "very bad" I assume you mean "I didn't get my own way"?In post 1778, Aronis wrote:we tried mutant Day 2, his presidency was very badI mostly just lurk now.-
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I hope you mean this in a "we're not going to listen to you" way rather than "we're going to kill you" way?In post 1779, the worst wrote:honestly I think I'm enforcing that my party no longer negotiates with terrorists
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I'd like you a lot more this game if you did duckie :PIn post 1793, the worst wrote:may actually be willing to work with Hebi here
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Scummy town with a PR that could do way too much damage to us*In post 1797, Aronis wrote:He was town?I mostly just lurk now.-
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I don't know what game you were reading but that's not what happened yesterday.In post 1798, the worst wrote:because you did the same thing as d1, talked in circles for 100 years, confirmed that hebichan is has an anti-town ability (for no reason) and then compromise lynched someone based on downright bad mechanical reasoning
We didn't talk in circles, we got straight to the point. We confirmed Hebi's claim - I believed it personally but the security of knowing it's true is also valuable. If someone has a confirmable role but you also have reason to lynch them, then you test their role to be true. Simple.
We then followed my presidential policy to give us the 2 candidates as the most popular lynches. From these 2, I made a judgement call on Taz instead of Wheme (I don't regret this decision).
We then gave Taz the opportunity to claim. His claim was messy. People still wanted to lynch him and so we did. We had plenty of time left in the day to consider over candidates but people were happy with Taz. This was in no way a compromise lynch.
Personally, I think the lynch yesterday went smoothly and according to plan. It's just a shame that the result wasn't a scum lynch. But you shouldn't expect every lynch to be on scum. As I've said before and will stand by, I think Taz was a better person to lynch than most other people. The only better result for me would have been a red flip.I mostly just lurk now.-
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Because I don't believe Wheme is scum. Hence only the other 2 possibilities remain.In post 1800, the worst wrote:why do you see wheme as scummy town or scummy third party
From what I've seen about scum wheme, his reads don't change all game and he really didn't seem to care about the game at all. Here, he's reconsidered a few things here and there. Taken new stances. Put effort in. Wheme strikes me as a generally lynch baity player because of his playstyle and I fear that many players are falling into that trap this game. This game does not seem like scum wheme at all.
Furthermore, IthinkI've figured something out about him. @Wheme, can you confirm that I have the knowledge of you that I think I have? (you'd know what that is if I am correct about it).
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The same thought had occurred to me but I don't really apply it to Taz since he had shown an unwillingness to be directed and work with the town given his double vote and attitude thereafter.In post 1817, the worst wrote:vigilantes can be steered to vig thru the lynchpool but
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Why is nobody talking about this?
With Taz claiming to have shot the worst (hence the cause of the night 1 kill) it means we're missing a mafia night kill.
I think that the person 123456789 roleblocked is a strong contender for the mafia member who performed the kill night 1.I mostly just lurk now.-
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Mylo do you consider me as smart town? Because I say Wheme is not mafia. Whether he is third party or town from there is irrelevant though I still think his third party claim is a bluff.In post 1917, Myloninja13 wrote:
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Smart town that thinks I’m not As in the worst?In post 1905, Myloninja13 wrote:
I... think you're town maybe but maybe not because the claim is weird but yes because the districts are messed up against you but no because smart town thinks your not but yes because I want you to be but no because you kinda aren't but yes because I need you to be-In post 1903, WhemeStar wrote:
No I need the answer nowIn post 1902, Myloninja13 wrote:
Uh... can I answer this later?In post 1898, WhemeStar wrote:Mylo what’s your read on meYes................I mostly just lurk now.-
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I still think the others should be considered.In post 1924, WhemeStar wrote:
We are only lynching ofrhz btw.In post 1921, Myloninja13 wrote:
No problem! You up for a orh/BB/Invis lynch?In post 1918, Aronis wrote:Okay please don't lynch me or wheme or do anything that would put us in danger, tia
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HE'S CONFIRMED TOWN BY OUR NOW DEAD LIE DETECTER...In post 1929, Aronis wrote:Okay, I'm getting ready to take the worst out of my town pile for antitown behavior.
Like c'mon man. I know he's now gone all arrogant and bitchy mode, but that's because he knows that we all know he's town. I don't like his behaviour either (I don't really like your behaviour too) but don't go making statements like this on people you KNOW are town, mechanically.I mostly just lurk now.-
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Seriously? And you wonder why people want to lynch you?In post 1945, Aronis wrote:
This is a themed game with a lot of power roles. I'm happy with him as very likely town in my readslist and will stick with that. I won't get upset if you rank him otherwise though.In post 1944, Not Known 15 wrote:
Ausuka is dead, and confirmed town.In post 1193, Ausuka wrote:Also yes I have an inno on tw so we can stop talking about if he's somehow fake cleared or notI mostly just lurk now.-
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It worries me that support for the worst is growing because I'm scared he's going to lynch either Wheme or Hebichan. Both of which arelynches at this stage in the game. If he can promise that he's going to stay away from these 2 then I'd be much happier about him being president again.TERRIBLEI mostly just lurk now.-
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I'm honestly so mad at you right now.In post 2022, Not Known 15 wrote:
I have info that makes Oath the lynch and everyone in my party PT knows... that message came from Mutant.In post 2021, WhemeStar wrote:Cause it’s Anonymous
Might as well reveal this...
There was a reason that this was anonymous, there was a reason I didn't use my typical style of crier posting to post this; It's because we were protecting who it was coming from. Now you've let scum narrow down where the guilty could have come from. They explicitly stated they did not want to go public with this and, although you weren't strictly present, we agreed to give this information anonymously as a crier post. In my first post in the party PT I lay out some ground rules. Literally the first rule is that what is said in the PT stays in the PT unless agreed otherwise by the party members. This is probably the reason why they felt comfortable claiming in the first place as they probably had confidence we wouldn't tell others. You have broken this rule and I want you out of my party. Instead of consulting us about the issue of the crier post not being taken seriously you selfishly outed information you had no right to out. Had you not considered that we could have got reads off of people's reactions to the guilty? Had you not considered that if scum knew where this information originated then we'd know there is scum in my party like you so strongly believe? Had you not considered that Oath / firebringer has been fairly scummy throughout the game and hence it would not have been so hard to convince people the guilty is legit without giving away extra information? Obviously not.
Like for fuck's sake, I'm pretty sure this post is the worst acknowledging the guilty:
You know the worst? Aka the most likely president today? Aka the only person that really needs to take the guilty seriously?In post 2019, the worst wrote:prodding and calibrating reads
I don't even actually see what the town gains by you outing this extra information. All it tells people is that those of us in my party believe the claim. If someone doesn't take this guilty seriously, I hardly think just telling them that others do will change their mind.
Please leave my party. And don't you dare reveal any more information about the claim or anything else said in the PT.I mostly just lurk now.-
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Shut up and die.In post 2024, Oath wrote:Because the mechanics of this game allow for untrue declarations made this way...
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I don't wish any more details to be leaked.In post 2038, WhemeStar wrote:Was that guilty discussed in the party PT?I mostly just lurk now.-
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1. I'm mutant. My party is mutante. There's a difference.In post 2052, Oath wrote:mutante is likely scum. I only say this knowing I'm town and him apparently claiming a guilty on me in his PT? I also don't get why in this set up when people can join or leave parties why he would post information that he didn't want shared anyway?
I think he should be the lynch. Y'all won't listen to me though and I'm likely gonna be the one to go soooooo
I am Honest Face, I can't be convicted of voter fraud
2. I'm not falling for your second question.
3. One of the many points of keeping it anonymous is that scum wouldn't know which party to hop to in order to get this information. Since Not Known has outed that the claim can be found in my party PT, it is now considered scummy to join my party. I think that's a damn shame because I genuinely think my party is the best to join due to being in my party not necessarily meaning you vote for me.
4. I highly doubt I'm getting lynched this game unless a mad person is elected who thinks they have divine rights. Fortunately, I don't think any current candidates would be like that and even if they did then I doubt it's me who would end up on the chopping block.
5. The unfortunate thing about your claim is that it is very uncreative. Easily faked. Hard to prove. For all we know, only scum can out frauders. For us to confirm your role we'd both need to have a town PR that can out fraud votes AND then have them claim.I mostly just lurk now.-
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If the only thing that is stopping people from scum reading me is your alignment then their read on me is fake.In post 2056, Oath wrote:Are you offering yourself up for lynch when I flip green? Cuz that's pretty much what needs to happen.
I welcome any desire to lynch me if you flip green. Both because I am in high doubt that there is any chance of you flipping green or that there is much desire for my lynch either way.
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And if your question was more directed at the hypotheticals of "yeah but IF I DID flip green, would you then offer yourself as a lynch" then the answer is no. That's blatantly anti-town. No townie would just let themselves be lynched or encourage it simply because they were wrong about something. That doesn't, however, detract from my confidence in your guilt.
A better question would be that if I could kill us both right here right now then would I? My answer to that would be yes.
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Btw Oath if you want to have had any contribution to the game at all then now is the time to give reads. Even something basic like the words "town" or "scum" would do.
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Don’t take it personally but you are either stupid or really not paying attention to what people are saying.
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The president doesn't matter right now in my opinion because of the guilty. A president that doesn't lynch Oath is basically a scum claim from my perspective.In post 2081, WhemeStar wrote:Why are we voting the worst?I mostly just lurk now.-
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Make sure your lol shoot is on Oath ;)In post 2091, the worst wrote:my reads are changing a lot : ] looking forward to becoming your president and working thru this then lolshootingI mostly just lurk now.-
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You want to lynch Blind Bandits instead of a guilty?In post 2128, Myloninja13 wrote:The worst, I'll vote for you if you promise to lynch Blind Bandits lol.I mostly just lurk now.-
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It's kind of hypocritical of you to demand a full claim when that's the one thing that's been asked of you the most all game. No more information about the guilty will be given. Unless, of course, you'd like to full claim your own role first, then we will probably be obliged to full claim what we know for your troubles.In post 2148, WhemeStar wrote:
Last post I remember of yours is you saying you don’t want to full claim itIn post 2086, mutantdevle wrote:Don’t take it personally but you are either stupid or really not paying attention to what people are saying.
So full claim it
Just saying though, my entire party scum reads Oath right now. Surely that says something. We can't all be scum. This isn't a scum plot to mislynch Oath. And if there are scum in my party, they're obviously willing to bus Oath. I don't think any more details of this guilty are relevant.I mostly just lurk now.-
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When you stop being so damn scummy and full claim to prove we can trust you.In post 2150, WhemeStar wrote:theworst is gonna lynch town again : )
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We did not have a guilty on Hebi lol. The town conclusively wanted Hebi lynched for their double vote and some still want her lynched for being third party. I'd go as far to say that I'm even the person that wants to keep Hebi alive the most. You seem really out of touch with this game.In post 2158, WhemeStar wrote:
lolIn post 2154, 123456789 wrote:You claimed third party. If you fullclaim, our party will consider saying more about the guilty.
Your party was also the one who had a guilty on hebi
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He admitted what he claimed there was a fake claim. It was also obviously a sarcastic fake claim at the time. The only thing he seems to be serious about is that he is third party.In post 2161, hebichan wrote:Also for anyone asking wheme to fullclaim, lol, he already did. It could be a fakeclaim, but it was claimed.I mostly just lurk now.-
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Yet you act like someone who has town cleared a few people.
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I have changed my play recently. I've stopped trying to form reads early and now rely almost entirely on mechanical play. I have a few reads here and there but I don't actively try to sort people. Maybe a reason I seem more confident is my policy on forming reads now is that if I'm not confident in my reads then I don't believe in them. I don't do scum 'leans' and town 'leans' anymore. If my read on someone can be described as a lean, I treat it as null. One thing I will say though is that confidence has always been a tell for me in a certain aspect. If you want to know what it's a tell for, you'll have to properly look at my meta. I don't get confident for no reason.In post 2181, Ruby Red wrote:i think i might have forgotten how to read mutant, or maybe he's just changed as a player. i haven't really seen any of the things that i've previously townread him off of. he seems to be going pretty hard on the mechanical solving which i know comes from town him but he also seems uncharacteristically confident in everything he's saying which from memory is uncharacteristic. (btw, @mutant, do you know who i am yet?)
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That's funny, I have the same view of youIn post 2183, Aronis wrote:Mutant's heads in the clouds but his heart is in the right place guysI mostly just lurk now.-
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Mylo I really don't understand why you want BB lynched instead of a guilty...In post 2205, Myloninja13 wrote:
the worst, I'll vote for you if you lynch Blind Bandits?In post 2204, the worst wrote:I'll start writing my acceptance speechI mostly just lurk now.-
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If by 'reads' you mean you're going to ignore your other scum reads for now and lynch the guilty then I'm okay with your reads existing.In post 2208, the worst wrote:it's ok my reads actually exist rnI mostly just lurk now.-
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You say this but...In post 2214, WhemeStar wrote:
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Or they know it doesn't matter. Maybe they think that "hey, let's have the worst take the credit for the guilty instead of giving power from it to the other presidential candidates because we are going to kill him tonight anyway as he is confirmed town".
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To clarify, are you claiming a PR that decides which way the ties go?In post 2240, Blind Bandits wrote:just letting you guys know, we break ties my dudes
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I'm sure you'll be able to easily admire Oath through a transparent coffin.In post 2265, the worst wrote:maybe I've been secretly admiring you but when we're close I get shy~I mostly just lurk now.-
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My party and I have agreed to share this information because we feel it necessary to discredit Not Known's guilty:
When Not Known 15 was leaving my party, they claimed that they were going to fake claim a guilty. Right now, I cannot tell if Not Known is finally following through with this idea or genuinely claiming this role with a guilty. Either way,regardless of Not Known's alignment, this guilty is fake.
I initially forgot that Not Known had said this hence my initial policy to lynch him for it. However, @Not Known, now is the time to admit this is a fake claim. If you do not, I will genuinely consider you scum. I apologise for foiling your gambit, but faking a guilty in the current game state is not helpful at all. You have chosen a bad player to fake the guilty on. You should have chosen someone in the town's general lynch pool rather than your own.I mostly just lurk now.-
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Hhahahahaha
No.
Not Known I think you either need to majorly reevaluate your reads or change the way you form them because I think they've been bad all game. Neither Mylo nor Aronis are scum. Blind bandits, maybe, but grouping them with the other 2 is not something I'd lynch them over.
This is what I meant in calling out your fake claim. You decided to fake claim on someone in your own personal lynch pool. You should have gone for the more unknown players instead and maybe we would have been more willing to go through with the fake claim regardless as that would provide read correction for a lot more people that just you.
@Wheme, 123456789's soft guilty was legit. Nothing fake about it. On that subject, it means scum either really did shoot the bodyguard as we originally assumed or there was another cause of a lack of a 2nd kill. If anyone has information about what prevented the second kill then it would be useful if they stepped forward about it. However, naturally, if your information doesn't result in anyone else looking suspicious, don't claim it.I mostly just lurk now.-
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Well reevaluate them again.In post 2358, Not Known 15 wrote: Ihavereevaluated my reads.
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In post 2364, Not Known 15 wrote:
HURT: MutantdevleIn post 2362, mutantdevle wrote:Well reevaluate them again.
I have laid my case before you. And instead of addressing my reasoning about aronis being scum... all laid down in post 2352
you unilaterally dismiss my case.I mostly just lurk now.-
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mutantdevle Mafia Scum
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Okay, fine, I'll humour you Not Known and pick apart your case.
First of all, your case is a little disorientating as some of your post links don't lead to the right location or even work at all. How are we supposed to agree with you if you can't even present your opinion efficiently?
Next, you criticise him for being flip-floppy over running for president. First of all, I think it's clear Aronis wanted to run for president given he actually did at one point. Obviously, he felt his presence in the campaign was not needed due to the number of people already running. Why would he lie about wanting to run for president? What do scum gain for that? What is even AI about anything he says about running for president?
You also criticise how he claims his reads are bad yet he wants to run for president? Why do you apply that criticism only to him when I have said and done the same thing except more successfully?
I don't get why 585 warrants the reaction "Why does Aronis careso muchabout being townread,and nothing else?" when he asked a single person what their read on him was 1 time. Your taking one instance of an action and saying he's constantly doing it. That's like me saying you only care for lynching Aronis and nothing else. You've done other things during the game.
Now, you might jump in here and say that he also does it in 962, but you're clearly going through his iso to find criticism of him. Hence your stupid comments on some of his posts like "disruptive" or "they assert that they are obvious town, really?" (btw, I personally do think they are obvious town). This means that you based your statement of only caring about reads on himself on 1 instance of him doing it.
As for your case that he is a traitor, I don't think I have any way of describing this case other than "fucking stupid". Like seriously. Read it again. Try not to laugh. Asking someone to be friends is traitor signalling is it? Telling someone who to vote as president is definitely the sign of scum who can't day talk with the rest of their buddies right? Like c'mon, your case is so darn stupid and you know it. You're reaching so fucking much. And you're using this crazy idea to try and call Mylo and BB scum too? Like seriously, what?
It seriously worries me that you're so ready to believe an Aronis, Mylo, BB scum team based on the actions of a single individual. Furthermore, the actions by this individual that you are basing a scum team on consist of 2 posts. 1 being a joke post and the other being a post about advising a town read on how to stay alive. And then you place hurt tags on me when I dismiss your blatantly shit case... where do I fit in to this scum team that you feel so sure of then?
Yes, Aronis is scummy. Yes, he is disruptive. But do you think that's unique to this game? Do you think the way they are acting is because they are scum in this one instant? Hell fucking no. You are scum reading Aronis based on his playstyle. Your case has proven that there is nothing of substance to scum read Aronis on hence why you have stretched a scum read on him to the point you're calling out a joke post about friendship as a traitor signalling to their scum buddy. That's why I think Aronis is obvious town; he has so much scummy and anti-town content but none of it has scum motivation behind it.
Honestly Not Known, I can't tell if your actions are based on how you have no idea what you're doing or if you are actually scum with fake reads. I'd really appreciate it if you stopped giving me reason to doubt my town read on you as I'd like to think I have a fairly accurate lynch pool at this stage in the game despite everything that's happened.I mostly just lurk now.