Labyrinth Mafia (Endgame)

[Wisdom]

as for tw, hes also scum

dunno why youre not reading my posts

[Wisdom]

Or to believe Wisdom is scum, you just have to believe:

1. He's fakeclaiming.

lol
Yeah, lets not mention catching and lynching chick, or the fact that reality and wheme are both kills id never do

[Wisdom]

dunno why im answering, i know exactly what youre gonna answer
"blah blah chick was scumread by everyone" - bs, nobody was voting or pushing her when i replaced in
"blah blah wifom" - yeah wifom is shit. I simply don't kill ank, the person who knows me the best in this playerlist, when he is townreading me and is suggesting lynches i agree with. I simply dont kill wheme when hes scumreading the same people i am and when nancy is showing signs of scumreading him. Both are terrible nightkills id never ever do.

[Wisdom]

and what even is your point with that quote? Ank was just speculating

[Wisdom]

yeah from what i read taly was pretty accurate

[Wisdom]

i dont understand why youd need hood access to be scum

[Wisdom]

because gambit
mastina and ank did it in minuet
we've already covered that

[Wisdom]

true, it's more likely you knew shes macho if you gambited
I guess thats why ank says it requires access

[Wisdom]

Another idea is you have a rolecop and targeted Nico n1, thus knew shes macho

[Wisdom]

though a full one is probably unlikely considering chick's role
maybe a joat that had 1shot rolecop? Or a factional like creature's redirect

[Wisdom]

In any case, nancy and random are never scum here so game ends when you and tw are dead

[Wisdom]

well, except nancy
she wont dare try that

[Wisdom]

well if game is not over after shoshin dies, tw is the other one

[Wisdom]

VOTE: shoshin

[Wisdom]

you should have pushed tw
maybe youd have a tiny chance

[Wisdom]

no, its a fact they were neighbors, no matter how much you keep ignoring my answer on the matter, and scum neighbors is incredibly rare and unlikely in this case

[Wisdom]

lmao
Where have you seen flips having actual links to neighborhoods?

[Wisdom]

Also it would be bastard to alter chick's role pm
If it says she had a hood with random, she had a hood with random
RC can't change it to fit a fakeclaim

[Wisdom]

anyway im done here
everytime i tell myself not to talk to scum and everytime i dont listen to myself

[Wisdom]

which goes to a youtube video
like chick's goes to a funny picture
In wheme's case rc obviously didnt have time to replace it and left it as is

[Wisdom]

and?
Hoods say who is in the hood on post one
Reality and wheme would know if chick was there
Plus, again, doesnt make sense to have scum in a themed hood with a shared role
And it also.doesnt make sense for random or his predecessor or whoever to out of nowhere claim hes in a hood with chick without it being true

[Wisdom]

no there arent different possibilities, there is one, scum neighbors
Which is unlikely as it is but even more so given how the two slots have interacted with each other

[Wisdom]

ok. For real done now. Please be game over when i wake up

[Wisdom]

every hood ive ever been in said it
Ive never seen a hidden member

[Wisdom]

VOTE: tw

[Wisdom]

no doubt its shoshin and tw after this, obviously
tw's gladiation had no point other than saving shoshin from your hammer, nancy
And shoshin magically "forgot" about her tw scumread and is now pushing me
It cant get more obvious

[Wisdom]

nancy you cant vote for shoshin now
Even if hes town (which he isnt) we will lynch shoshin tomorrow
dont drag this out needlessly

[Wisdom]

that team makes zero sense
Id have hardbussed random and I would have won already

[Wisdom]

though i think its obvious im town anyway, tw just chooses not to see it because he cant do otherwise

[Wisdom]

you cant ungladiate, nancy

[Wisdom]

just like you cant unhammer
Its simple mechanics you should know by now

[Wisdom]

and ffs, whoever proves a role is not automatically town
yes, tw is gladiator
no, tw is not town gladiator

[Wisdom]

I'm just town by play here.

by what play? By lynching sajj or by making sure we cant lynch shoshin?

[Wisdom]

Tell me one fucking reason i dont bus random and win this with closed eyes if im scum with random
Youre assuming i bussed chick anyway so?

[Wisdom]

im done here
arguing with scum really drives me mad
nancy please vote tw.

[Wisdom]

nancy there are two possibilities here
Shoshin is scum alone
Or
Shoshin is scum with tw
If its the first, lynching tw or lynching me are both fine
If its the second, lynching me loses the game and lynching tw wins it
what are we waiting for here?

[Wisdom]

there are no other possibilities
shoshin is obvious scum and nancy and random are town

[Wisdom]

yeah and i ask you again
Why would i do this as scum with random when i can just bus him and win?
Point me to one scumgame where i chose to defend my buddies instead of just bussing them

[Wisdom]

Where have you seen all scum hoods?
Ive only ever seen one and it was nothing like here
Look at the way random and his slot treated chick's slot

[Wisdom]

why would you bus him if Shoshin is there as an easy mislynch and you're one lynch away from winning?

because thats how i operate
random is a weak player, if i wanted to get him lynched itd be easy
Lynch him after chick and im guaranteed to win, especially with no prs that can catch me
Keep him around and tie myself to him? Why bother?

[Wisdom]

Also why the hell kill reality and wheme, especially as scum with random
Have you seen what their reads were?

[Wisdom]

This game is solved.

I'm town
Wisdom is obvtown
Random is obvtown
I strongly believe the townread on the worst is sheepable.

That leaves three slots. Either there is two scum left and it doesn't matter which order, or there is three and it still doesn't matter.

seriously
I have to be ridiculously bad to kill this as scum with random

[Wisdom]

Shoshin + the worst

There you go

or this

[Wisdom]

and if I'm wrong it's just Shoshin

what do we lose here fypov?

yeah and if you're scum with shoshin you win

[Wisdom]

they were also tprs like come on

They were vanilla until reality died
Not to mention voyeur is useless

[Wisdom]

could they catch me somehow? No. So I wouldn't kill them. That's the point.

[Wisdom]

pedit: but they were obvtown TPRs with highly fluid reads anyone should have killed them

are you fucking kidding me
They were vanilla if neither died

[Wisdom]

but not either one's alignment

[Wisdom]

And if my plan was to kill ank so i can lynch wheme i wouldnt kill wheme
so

[Wisdom]

The only vote I could possibly have felt good about either way has been taken away from me.

guess whose fault that is

[Wisdom]

nancy can we end this already

[Wisdom]

the worst is just as horrified and shocked as the rest of us.

are you kidding me nancy
cmon

[Wisdom]

nancy can we end this already

Easy for you to say. I have no idea what to do. Had I know the worst was going to gladiate, I would have already hammered.

I told you what to do

[Wisdom]

Vote the worst
If hes town, we lynch shoshin tomorrow
If hes scum, we lynch shoshin tomorrow

[Wisdom]

While if hes scum with shoshin and you vote me, we lose
Its not hard

[Wisdom]

ive given you one million reasons im not scum, especially with random
the only thing youll achieve by taking your time is risk shoshin and tw convincing you to vote me and lose

[Wisdom]

i cant stand this game anymore nancy
I was reading the game when i woke up today and every page i was dreading that this will be the page they convinced you to vote me
The fact it was locked didnt help

[Wisdom]

fine nancy whatever

[Wisdom]

random we can only lynch between me and tw if you missed it

[Wisdom]

good
at least you wont make me paranoid ill wake up lynched
now just need nancy

[Wisdom]

loling

[Wisdom]

because i realized the point about sajj being redirected to was decent

[Wisdom]

Actually no, that was later
I changed my vote because i liked sajj's post at the time

[Wisdom]

posts*

[Wisdom]

thats what i thought too but I just checked
First i changed because he townpinged in an exchange with tw, then the redirect point was brought up

[Wisdom]

and if the scumteam was anything else it was instalose
but you didnt worry about that because you know what the scumteam is

[Wisdom]

dont ask pointless questions

[Wisdom]

they are pointless because its information that is in the thread
Shoshin is asking me who i think is scum between random and tw as if thats something im keeping a secret

[Wisdom]

especially your 180 on the worst.

that's also in the thread and is called poe
With 5 alive, 3 of them being me, you and random, tw becomes scum
His latest actions didnt help matters either

[Wisdom]

2 town-town and 2 town-scum, obviously. Scum-scum neighbors are pointless. They can just chat in the scum pt.

[Wisdom]

see what i mean, nancy? All of these questions have already been discussed to death

[Wisdom]

doesnt change anything
Two town neighbors, that also share roles
And a traditional town-scum neighborhood for people to figure out each other

[Wisdom]

after all you cant have two neighborhoods with 3 neighbors, can you?

[Wisdom]

thats the point nancy
in order to have two neighborhoods you need 4 neighbors

[Wisdom]

what have i said thats unreasonable, tw?

[Wisdom]

yeah ok
im sorry if you thought you could push random and i put a stop in your plans

[Wisdom]

i mean, maybe you thought youd get a random lynch without a gladiate
You only gladiated when shoshin was about to be hammered

[Wisdom]

no, what was right is that delaying this is getting you convinced to hand the win to scum despite the game being solved
i was right once again

[Wisdom]

you are discarding all reason against me being scum, against random being scum, just because tw goes "OMG wisdom somehow solved the game and figured random is town, must be scum"
well done nancy

[Wisdom]

but this is pointless
Just vote me so we can have this chat in endgame

[Wisdom]

its not a gambit nancy
Im tired
It makes no sense for me to be scum yet youre considering it

[Wisdom]

where youre wrong is that creature is known for being terrible as scum and therefore everyone who rolls scum with creature busses him rather than defend him or tie themselves to him
The actions youre describing are taly and random trying to figure out if this is lynchbait creature or iust scum creature
If either was scum with creature theyd just tunnel him until hes dead
I know thats definitely what id do

[Wisdom]

look at tw on the other hand
at some point he just accepts that everyone knows this is scum creature and just tries to get people to talk about other things
this is more like how a creature buddy acts

[Wisdom]

If everyone knows that scum bus Creature, why wouldn't scum defend him to look townie?

because not everyone does
People have to assume not everyone will be aware about and just go for the bussing since its more likely to give them cred than depend on what people know about meta

[Wisdom]

shoshin why are you acting like you're trying to figure this out?
Its confirmed to you that tw cant be scum with anyone so from your perspective if tw is scum hes solo
So shouldnt you be lynching me since you have nothing to lose?

[Wisdom]

Like, unless tw has a stashed doublekill somehow, you can win even if im lynched
So why the big dilemma?

[Wisdom]

Random suspiciously avoiding my request for a scumchat link is NAGL.

random hasnt even posted since you asked

[Wisdom]

im guessing you havent played with taly before then

[Wisdom]

what is there to sort, nancy? Random has played with me enough, he can tell i am town
I am fucking bleeding town every second
I am well beyond what i can fake as scum
Yet somehow this is still a hard decision for you

[Wisdom]

You said you disliked his aggressiveness
Taly is aggressive
Its a playstyle

[Wisdom]

shoshin: wisdom is who I should be voting but im not because im afraid ill get lynched tomorrow

Yeah nancy, this is so town
You should listen to shoshin more

[Wisdom]

no you arent
Town-you votes me because thats whats optimal
Tomorrow is tomorrow

[Wisdom]

nice twisting of what im saying
I don't want you to vote me
Im showing how you not voting me is not town

[Wisdom]

Nancy if you need my scumgames theyre all in my wiki

[Wisdom]

In the scum PM, Wisdom says to kill Math because town can easily change their reads at any moment. So the whole, "I'd never kill Reality because she townread me" bit is straight-up bullshit.

Math is not ank

[Wisdom]

According to Math that game (who is a reputable source), Wisdom is very strong scum who heavily manipulates his meta. So all that stuff about how "scum always bus Creature" is more bullshit from Wisdom. Wisdom knows scum manipulate meta because he does it himself.

Creature is not wisdom

[Wisdom]

You said, "town can easily change their reads," not "Math can easily change his reads."

which is generally a fact
It doesnt apply when i have a clear road to winning by keeping ank alive

[Wisdom]

i cant take this anymore
Shoshin is so fucking obviously bsing and im staying here listening to her because nancy is incapable of seeing whats in front of her eyes

[Wisdom]

like all shoshin had to say about coalition is
"wisdom interacted with people there
Wisdom interacted with people here
Ergo wisdom is scum"

Show me where my reachouts are in coalition
Show me where my rage is in coalition
Show me where anything ive done in this game that i cant possibly do as scum is in coalition
Yes im good as scum but not this fucking good

[Wisdom]

weird that theres only one scum
I thought it was over for sure when nancy voted me
tw more likely than shoshin I think

[Wisdom]

unless its just random and ive been a massive idiot

[Wisdom]

no it's still an obvious choice because im still obvious town
But i give up talking to you given you ignore me anyway

[Wisdom]

at least now you can lynch me without losing so i dont care as much

[Wisdom]

if tw flips town I think ill probably vote random over shoshin

[Wisdom]

if you end up being town ill be really disappointed
you should know better

[Wisdom]

because youve played with me enough to know this is town me

[Wisdom]

shoshin i found the possibility of solo scum very distinct
As such ive been looking for 2 scum
Now that its confirmed theres only one i thought about it again and i dont think solo scum plays like you have, especially today

[Wisdom]

distinct

distant

[Wisdom]

because you were looking scummy at that point
But i was thinking in terms of two scum and hadnt really thought about the solo scum possibility

[Wisdom]

random makes more sense as solo scum than you
youve spent too much time trying to figure this out and make the right decision
random just voted one person and disappeared from the thread
The latter is a more likely scum behavior

[Wisdom]

if tw is scum and you end up lynching me this might be tough though
Either nancy or more likely shoshin will die, making this a random vs tw 3p

[Wisdom]

yeah youre not town
youre taking everything im saying and assigning them scum motivation

[Wisdom]

I thought you were cheeky manipulative scum
I had to, because everytime you posted i felt like town was going to listen to you if nobody speaks up

[Wisdom]

be honest tw
does my play here look anything like coalition?

[Wisdom]

tw is also scummier than you, i thought that was obvious
Its tw > random > you

anyway, whoever is alive in lylo, dont let yourself be affected by random's weak playstyle. Dont let tw win. Ill feel really bad after having put all this effort.

[Wisdom]

shoshin its okay that youre wrong now. youll learn gut is the way to go with experience

[Wisdom]

and i was town
again, dont let tw win please

[Wisdom]

oh I wasn't hammered?
fuck this and i thought the torture is over

[Wisdom]

nancy vote me pls, you already did anyway

[Wisdom]

given the cards i was dealt, I think i did the best i could
traitor sucks. I couldn't bus random, and i had no say in the nightkills. I wasn't lying that id never make those kills.
Even so, i think that was easily a win until tw gladiated me, so good job tw.
gg

[Wisdom]

from one point of view its probably fair this scumteam didnt win

[Wisdom]

my two cents on shoshin; town would be way better off if she had bg'd CS. She has a naturally scummy manipulative-like style of playing, despite how accurate she might be, that makes her ideal to push. With her dead it would be difficult for scum to push anyone, really. Maaybe wheme.

[Wisdom]

also @Wisdom I don't think I'll ever be the same after that second last day. a little bit of my soul melted during our 1v1.

i couldn't really find the heart to fight you
I just wanted to lynch shoshin and take the win, when you took that from me i was like whatever, just lynch me already

[Wisdom]

ank i just felt both Chick and random were obvious scum and given they were neighbors one of them would be lynched sooner or later
So why not bus to get some cred
And if i wasnt a traitor id bus random too

[Wisdom]

sajj don't be afraid of what town will think of you. That was silly. Just be honest.
Also you should have insisted more about the redirect thing. You were basically conftown yet you got lynched.

[Wisdom]

shoshin if tw hadnt saved the day you would have been the mislynch that cost the game
your posts are very robotic like and they dont help the other sympathize with you. There was barely any emotion. In most other cases i would have been forced to back off because your arguments were pretty sound. Yet your playstyle allowed me to continue.

[Wisdom]

i still don't get why random kept tw over wheme
Nancy was scumreading both wheme and shoshin, it would just double our possibilities
Not to mention gladiate vs useless voyeur

[Wisdom]

wheme ended day saying its you+tw, so

tw on the other hand on numerous occasions figured that the case on you just doesnt have legs

[Wisdom]

I just couldn't leave my vote on you, you were so town

Your thing with the shots ended up being good. Part of why i comfortably lynched chick was the fact that i was sure youd kill shoshin. But in other circumstances you should have probably claimed you cant kill shoshin right there. If you really did it because you thought town wouldn't believe you, it was silly.

@sajj

[Wisdom]

oh also guys
My claim was so bs
I literally made it up from reading what my character was in labyrinth
I was surprised nobody questioned it

[Wisdom]

and I wonder what rc expected the traitor to claim, especially if he had to before everyone else had claimed

[Wisdom]

miller is claimed d1, else its scumclaim
vanilla would not be believable with everyone else a pr