Transformers Mafia - Dinobots STRONGEST!

[Vecna]

Well thats been a pretty eventful start to the game

[Vecna]

Im gonna be low activity here for a bit longer - have two other games going on and still have a ton to catch up on but little time atm.

[Vecna]

Hi guys, whats up. Porkens, why arent you doing nice poems this game?

Ill probably try and muster the courage to actually read these 60 pages, at some point.

[Vecna]

VOTE: Porkens

[Vecna]

Can you give me some cliffnotes Porky? Why are you duelling antihero? Maybe I can be convinced to move my vote and make it an even duel

[Vecna]

Dont worry Porkens, you know I have a sweet spot for you

[Vecna]

Can you give me some cliffnotes Porky? Why are you duelling antihero? Maybe I can be convinced to move my vote and make it an even duel

Did you actually read the rules. You are voting for pork to win.

Thats ok

[Vecna]

Given my normal activity I dont really blame people for scumreading me for not being in this game up until this point, but I think people need to take a step back. This is a 28 player game that started on friday, and for some reason we are already on day 4 now. Under normal circumstances this would be right about when we start to think about lynching for day1. Ive had a very busy last 5 days with only social events and work (and right now im catching up during worktime because I feel bad not giving this game the attention it deserves from me because I foolishly signed up).

Right now ive read pages 60-79 and quickly skimmed through the first 30 pages

[Vecna]

Also I have no idea why people didnt insta duel Gamma Emerald as soon as he started speaking, because he is extremely blatant scum in this game. The fact he's so hesitant to do shit this game is probably because he saw my name and I soulread his scum ass every single game.

Porkens is also probably scum here. Maria was actively fighting against that wagon and was threatening to dive into the people voting for Porkens, and lo and behind, she ends up dead right after. Porkens is probably on the other scumteam from what antihero was on.

Creature had an extremely towny opening, and always seems to be suspicious of me recently, so I have no problem convincing that slot im actually town and working with it.

Rb is town. UnrealSeal also felt extremely towny in the first 30 pages with his reactions to all the duels.

[Vecna]

GammaGoey (and others) - Have there been 2 dayvigs every single day? Because we still have that LLD kill unaccounted for as far as im aware, and giving 1 dayvig to just one of the scumfactions seems odd.

If Goey is town, then its not unreasonable to think that the extra daykill was awarded along the way to someone

[Vecna]

DrippingGoofball - Missed this kill. Dayvigged Day1? Did anyone claim this 1?

D1 Duel:
Firebringer - Onslaught, Combaticon Strategist
Katsuki - Dirge, Seeker Doppelganger

N1 kills:
Fate - Swindle, Combaticon Profiteer
RadiantCowbells - Bombshell, Insecticon Neutralizer

Princess Celestia - Snarl, Dinobot Warrior. Dayvig day2. Same question, claimed?

Day2 duel (won by Porkens):
Antihero - Kickback, Insecticon Nihilist

N2 kills:
Fundamental Theorem - Brawl, Combaticon Warmonger
MariaR - Soundwave, Decepticon Chief Intelligence Commander
Garmr - Ravage, Decepticon Mini-Cassette Infiltration Expert (suicide)

stungun0404 - Ratchet, Autobot Chief Medical Officer - Day 3 dayvig, claimed by Goey if im not mistaken

Day3 duel (Won by Goey):
Brian Skies - Vortex, Combaticon Aerialist

Day 3 Nightkills:
Skygazer - Starscream, Decepticon Air Commander
the worst - Hook, Constructicon Protector

Lady Lambdadelta - Astrotrain, Decepticon Transport - Dayvigged, unaccounted for, Goey claimed it was not him.

[Vecna]

Like, either Goey is wifom'ing and he did shoot LLD, or he unlocked another dayvig by winning that duel, or it seems pretty likely that Porkens unlocked a dayvig in her won duel.

[Vecna]

Focusing more on the mostly townread players, I think Spiffeh is actually playing very inline with what Ive seen him perform as scum before. He has carried me to a victory before, by playing a playstyle that is very similair to what he is displaying here.

By that I mean:
-Mostly very short posts, without long train of thought that ive seen him do as town (first civ mafia for example)
-Not too deep observations and questions that dont really go very indepth. Posting about being irritated at people going to fast.

[Vecna]

The order in which I would shoot people:

Gamma Emerald
Porkens/Spiffeh/Dram (that seal read is bad)

I could totally see Porkens and Spiffeh be on the same team here. Spiffeh was low key pushing for Porkens to win the duel. Looking at the Porkens wagon, I could also potentially see GE being the 3rd remaining there.

Spiffeh did make an ok point that Dram does tend to lurk as scum at times. Not sure why he would ask for him to be shot over me, unless he's suspecting that Dram is on the other team.

Porkens (11): Porkens, Prof Fridays, Spiffeh, Gamma Emerald, Papa Zito,

Skygazer

, rb, Creature, Vecna,

the worst

, Gammagooey

Antihero

(7): UnrealSeal,

stungun0404

,

Lady Lambdadelta

, Toogeloo,

Fundamental Theorem

,

Antihero

,

MariaR

neither (3): BlueBloodedToffee,

Garmr, Brian Skies

Not Voting (2): neither, dramonic

Quite a lot of holes open there up on that porkens train

[Vecna]

And the shading has begun

[Vecna]

Yes, reading the first 20-30 pages, my US = town read was by far the strongest emotion I got from those pages.

[Vecna]

How about this Dram, instead of complaining about me listing your name as someone I wouldnt mind getting shot, we talk about the other 3 names on there.

[Vecna]

I want gamma Emerald shot.

If im wrong on that flipping scum, ill duel whoever you want tomorrow Goey

[Vecna]

How do you feel about Gamma Emerald Spiffeh?

[Vecna]

I mightve missed it, but did you do the dayvigs during D1/D2?

[Vecna]

Wish it was easier to get a good read on Papa zito and prof Fridays. Honestly wouldnt mind if those two dueled eachother tomorrow so we could neither them.

[Vecna]

i think we pretty much agree on conclusion fakegamma but what are your reasons for wanting him shot. naked conclusions entering at this stage don't cut it

Guessing this is aimed at me?

Dont wanna give too much away since its always nice to have people you can slamdunk, but Gamma Emerald has a decisive sharpness and "dont give a fuck" attitude when he's town. You can see it in all his posts when he's town, he doesnt care about throwing random ideas/strategies out there and he always gets scumread for it - but he'll just respond sharply to those and attack people in a certain way. This game, its hardly anywhere to be seen. He has a few attempts every here and there, but nearly all his posts just feel like he's throwing comments at the game, like he's observing from a distance, trying to just say things that sound ok. Not engaged at all in the way that im used from him.

[Vecna]

Hmmm reading Spiffeh's iso on the GE interaction actually makes me doubt my earlier statements about spiffs

[Vecna]

With this game likely being down to 7v3v3 (or something close to those numbers) I really wouldnt put too much stock in others opinions here. Sure, it might be a good way to find people being dishonest and shoot them, but if I were you id try and find the person thats scum and is not going to get lynched if you do die tonight. Either way, im surprised theres not a lot of people trying to influence you right now - that'd definitely be something id expect scum to be doing right now seeing how its probably their mission right now to eliminate the other team.

[Vecna]

Wish it was easier to get a good read on Papa zito and prof Fridays. Honestly wouldnt mind if those two dueled eachother tomorrow so we could neither them.

Who would you pick to duel?

I would prolly do dramonic at the moment, whcih is better than my pick from yesterday... any lurker.

I think we should force people to dual eachother.....so we can neither 2 scum at once.

That wouldve been marvelous for today now that we still have Goey around to force them, but sadly that possibility was taken away.

Besides, im not sure I have enough towncred by now to actually win over some of the people id want to dual, so its probably not yet very +ev for town.

[Vecna]

Oh if I could have it my way in a guaranteed 2 way dual that would get neithered, I doubt id pick papa zito and Prof. It was more a run of the mill comment because I have trouble forming a strong opinion on your two slots

[Vecna]

If im assuming 7 town and six scum:

Creature
Vecna
Gammagooey
Toogeloo
UnrealSeal
rb

Gamma Emerald
Papa Zito
Porkens
Prof Fridays
Spiffeh
Vaxkiller
dramonic

And one from the last pool would have to move to the first pool. But ofcourse, this type of exercise is pretty pointless anyway since my reads are likely gonna have errors in them regardless.

[Vecna]

Im glad I brought you some entertainment then I guess?

What else would you suggest me to do though when the game probably has almost 50% of the remaining players being actual scum? I have reasons to townread the green guys. Of the red guys I have reasons to scumread a bunch of them, and the remaining are there by POE. Im probably not too far off though.

[Vecna]

Guess I wont ask whether mechanically or through play, but.....how much later are we talking about?

[Vecna]

Who is us in that sentence?

[Vecna]

At any rate, Ive been trying to sort you, I sort people by mostly observation. Theres just not a lot of AI stuff to observe in your play.

Im usually not really the "interviewing" type of player where I play 100 questions with people, since that stuff usually just throws me off. If youre town, you'll eventually say stuff that makes you stand out as town to me.

But, like, feel free to give me hints on how to sort you?

[Vecna]

Who is us in that sentence?

Me and Fridays.

Lord have mercy I'm not going to teach you how to play mafia.

Im not sure why youre getting so irritated. Like, instead of criticizing my methods, why not argue with my wrong (from your pov if your town) townreads?

[Vecna]

I made a coloured list because I was responding to questions from Vax on where I was standing and which persons id prefer to duel eachother. Saying I didnt provide a lot of reasoning with it is fair, but you have to admit that your iso has very little of it as well....which is one of the reasons why im having trouble to sort you to begin with. I have no idea where you stand on most things in this game, and the most engaged ive seen you with anything is now apparently with taking offense at being in my poe pool.

[Vecna]

VOTE: rb

[Vecna]

wrong about gemma emerald, correct about spiffeh and pork. ill take 2 out of 3.

[Vecna]

autobot engineer really doesnt sound like something that dayvigs though

[Vecna]

sounds plausible. maybe them having vests is the reason they didnt kill you yet (no idea if that fits with the flavour). makes you wonder why the other team didnt.

[Vecna]

Im shrapnel, insecticon eccentric.

my energon ability stops all night actions, but also destroys all energon on everyone (including mine).

[Vecna]

Im getting a growing suspicion that prof is scum here. ill go into more detail later.

the neighbouriser claim feels very fake in a fast paced game with so many odd abilities

[Vecna]

oh, my E ability is called nova power core

[Vecna]

not sure whether its smart to claim this, since we might get some good scum reactions otherwise, but its sadly only a one time thing. after i use the ability i cannot get new energon.

[Vecna]

if used properly, absolutely. removes any benefit from duals as well though, so probably better used at end game.

sort of a shame that it had to be claimed

[Vecna]

Creature can you elaborate why you think im scum and why prof fridays is town?

[Vecna]

Creature can you elaborate why you think im scum and why prof fridays is town?

I felt like you were playing to your scum meta and Prof apparently townslipped somewhere.

A bit more in-depth? What part of my play do you feel is according to my scum meta?

[Vecna]

Also can someone point me to this townslip of prof fridays? Im having very mixed feelings about the slot.

On the one hand his tone sounds pretty towny all over, and he switches his reads around quite frequently (allthough everyone has to do that)

On the other hand, theres his claim thing that im not sure im buying. And more importantly, the way he tip-toed around Gamma Emerald/Porkens/Spiffeh. He was around when me and Spiffeh were pushing for GE, but he did not get involved in that one bit. Then when the shot was done, he suddenly felt like stating that everyone that was pushing for GE was scummy and needing looking into. Why not discuss this type of stuff before the shot if you dont agree? Just feels extremely opportunistic to be quiet at first and then to blame the two people taking a stance on it.

After it he also did a post I need to go look at further, where he was stating a rather strong townread on Porkens, right before the slot died. Felt to me a bit like it was a post that was timed in such a manner as to look good for when the flip came. Im probably taking a risk here, but there might be the thing that both teams have gotten constructicon fakeclaims and that that was what caused the other team to shoot Porkens.

[Vecna]

Hmmm although the worst also being a constructicon kinda goes against that idea.

[Vecna]

Also im nowhere near convinced that Vax is actually town here. Not really buying the "oh whoops, I really did think that I could just off the entire playerlist in one go". Spiffeh also flipped as Dinobot bombardier which could very well be an energon type of vig with a little brother on the other scumteam.

[Vecna]

Thinking im gonna vote Neither today. Even if one of em does flip town, its not that horrible, and I dont see both of them flip town.

Goey, does this mod give role fakeclaims as well in his other games?

[Vecna]

I guess this is the part where all scum struggle in plain sight to come up with a realistic poe pool lol.

If vax flips scum here itll warrent some new looking into goey as wel tomorrow.. Not sure whether seals claim is legit or not, but it does point to there being non-dualling methods to get resources.....which could mean scum might have other ways to get activated.

unrealseal, seeing how the modbstated that scrapping is dependant on the player that got scrapped, how woukd your merchant ability even work?

[Vecna]

VOTE: neither

[Vecna]

why do so many people pretend they cannot count to 5? like if you really are town here, dont you get how extremely terribad that looks?

[Vecna]

Why did you insta shoot Gamma? Wtf

There goes any leverage of making the scum duel eachother.

[Vecna]

I guess what we got here is a classic western stand-off lol

If GammaGoey is a Dinobot, he's in autowin so im guessing the game would be over by now.

So the only conclusion is that zito and Creature are both Dinobots.

Sadly for them, I just found out that Goey cannot be nightkilled. We changed our kill from Creature to Goey, and you choose to take out my buddy RB. Not very nice.

At any rate, since Goey is nightkill immune, the only way for either of us to win, is by lynching him.

Im not gonna help you do that unless im in on the win.

So heres what were gonna do; Papa Zito is gonna duel GammaGoey, and we NEITHER them.

That leaves me and creature. Either the Dinobots and Autobots win together, or we kill off eachother and noone wins.


GammaGoey, incidentally that also still gives you the chance for a draw. If you duel either Zito or Creature, this at least still gives you the chance for a draw. I have no idea how the mod counts it if The last remaining Dinobot and the last remaining Autobot kill eachother simultaneously.

This is Vecna trying to make the best of a bad situation. I would kinda like me to duel Creature tonight and just let the chips fall where they may.

READY SET GO, who gets to duel who first?

[Vecna]

duel creature in the literal western style ofcourse, where we both fire big rockets at eachother

[Vecna]

For the slow ones:

Vecna, lonely Autobot

GammaGoey, Lonely but very much NK immune decepticon thingymajig that shoots stuff

Creature and Papa Zito, remaining Dinobots that still cannot win without the help from the lonely Autobot.

[Vecna]

(since im sure you'll be discussing dueling me instead; the duel will be tied since Goey will be smart ennough to not vote with you. That means one of you is remaining, will fail to kill Goey during the night, and then get shot in the face tomorrow leaving the decepticons the win)

Dinobots and Autobots have always been buddies. Lets do this right and eliminate them decepticons together, and then let the chips fall where they may (Mutual victory, Vecna & Creature, yes please?)

[Vecna]

I actually do think your only chance of winning this game is duelling a Dinobot and hope that the town wincon just procs from everyone being dead.

[Vecna]

VOTE: GammaGoey

[Vecna]

2 hours, during us daytime, and no organized quickhammer?

Silly dinobots

UNVOTE: GammaGoey

[Vecna]

bold gamble. guess itll come down to whether goey has 1shot bp or not then.

VOTE: neither

[Vecna]

or is goey some op dinobot after all

[Vecna]

we did actually shoot at goey and he survived though. kinda worked out for you guys if he only had 1 shot bp.

insta duelling goey wouldve been more optimal, but i guess he did shoot rather quickly

[Vecna]

gg, shouldve shot creature

[Vecna]

guess town would still win if everyone dies right?

[Vecna]

loved the game and how fast paced it was....however from a design pov i think gammagoeys role was a mistake. dual someone, shoot him, claim your flavour, and youre suddenly completely unstoppable. not that it mattered much in this situation but us autobots had absolutely no way of ever winning against that role (and neither had the dinobots if any shot had landed on zito). if zito had died at any point, it wouldve been town auto as long as goey is convincing enough.