Forgotten Hourglass [Game Over]

[zMuffinMan]

HEY ISSAC

REMEMBER 585

Are you telling me to remember it for later or to recollect something important?

FOR LATER

[zMuffinMan]

I have no idea. I only remember lynching scum in spite of you.

L O L

LIKED

[zMuffinMan]

I get you want to circlejerk with your friend so you wanna make an obv fake inno and sure go for it but post legit content along with it and not just "get off my inno" that isn't real. Get it over with chop chop. If you won't lynch your friend that badly at least pretend to be playing thanks

LOL @ TRYING TO SUGGEST THAT ANY HISTORY CUPCAKE AND I HAVE WOULD PREVENT EITHER OF US FROM LYNCHING THE OTHER

[zMuffinMan]

maybe the neighborizing is a lie too

LOL

[zMuffinMan]

(AND PARTITIONS)

[zMuffinMan]

I STILL THINK MARIAR IS MORE LIKELY BUT MY EVIL CONSCIENCE DISAGREES

[zMuffinMan]

WISDOM, I DONT GET HOW YOU CAN MAKE A COMMENT LIKE "BEST DOC PLAY EVER" (AS THOUGH YOU SAID THAT IN GOOD FAITH) THEN GET UPSET ABOUT A COMEBACK ROFL

[zMuffinMan]

WISDOM, I DONT MIND YOU AS A PLAYER AND I THINK YOURE ACTUALLY DECENT (IF I DIDNT, I WOULDNT HAVE GIVEN YOU THE MOMENT LYNCH LAST GAME TO TRY TO GET YOU BACK ON THE RIGHT TRACK) BUT MAN YOUR READS SUCK TODAY. I DONT EVEN REALLY KNOW IF TBG IS SCUM OR NOT (IM STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY HE PUSHES CUPCAKE TODAY IF THEY ACTUALLY TRIED TO KILL HIM LAST NIGHT - EVIL CONSCIENCE THINKS HIS PLAY SUCKS SO HIS SCUM GAME PROB SUCKS AND THAT EXPLAINS IT BUT I DISAGREE) BUT I DOUBT PMATT IS SCUM AND I THINK MARIAR IS PRETTY LIKELY TO BE SCUM

YOURE FRUSTRATING TO PLAY WITH WHEN YOURE DEAD WRONG ABOUT STUFF *SHRUG*

[zMuffinMan]

BTW BRIAN YOURE PROBABLY DYING TONIGHT ANYWAY SO ILL LET YOU KNOW NOW, #585 ISNT EVEN A GOOD POST LOL. CUPCAKE THINKS MARIA SCUM CLAIMED IN #2723, THAT'S ALL #585 IS

((PT GETS PUBLICISED AFTER A CERTAIN POINT IN TIME SO YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN IT EVENTUALLY))

[zMuffinMan]

(IVE WRITTEN LIKE 2 WHOLE PAGES OF CONTENT ON WHY MARIAR IS SCUM BUT THAT'S APPARENTLY THE POST HE WANTED TO POINT YOU TO)

[zMuffinMan]

27 NOW

[zMuffinMan]

NO ACTUALLY, WE'VE PRETTY MUCH DONE NOTHING BUT TALK ABOUT READS. THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T FULLY TRUST MY EVIL CONSCIENCE, HE'S WRITING TOO MUCH CONTENT LOL

[zMuffinMan]

IF HE WANTS TO SHARE ALL HIS THOUGHTS HE CAN. I WILL SAY OUR READS ARE MOSTLY ALIGNED (HE'S NOT CONVINCED YOU'RE TOWN BUT HE DOESN'T WANNA READ YOUR POSTS OR SOMETHING LOL. IVE BEEN TRYING TO GET HIM TO BE NICE TO YOU BUT HE REFUSES)

[zMuffinMan]

BECAUSE IF HE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THEM, HE CAN. WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO TELL YOU WHAT HE THINKS?

ILL THROW YOU A BONE AND TELL YOU WHAT THE LAST TWO PAGES OF CONVO HAS BEEN LIKE

"LOL WHY THE FUCK DID BRIAN CLAIM?"
"WHO FUCKING KNOWS"
"IF SCUM DID ACTUALLY TRY TO KILL YOU, IM NOT SURE TBG IS CHEEKY ENOUGH TO PUSH YOU LIKE HES DOING TODAY. MAYBE IT'S JUST MARIAR SOMEONE"
"I THINK HES CHEEKY ENOUGH, WHY WOULDN'T HE?"
"WHY DOES TBG TRY TO KILL YOU THEN PUSH YOU? WHAT WAS HE TRYING TO ACHIEVE?"
"LOL MAYBE HES JUST BAD. MARIAR IS CLEAREST SCUM, TBG IS NEXT BUT IT ISNT AS CLEARCUT"
"DONT SEE HIS END GOAL. OTOH, WE HAVE MARIAR WHOS STEERED CLEAR OF YOU TODAY DESPITE DUNNSTRAL WANTING TO LYNCH YOU"
"MAYBE TBG JUST THINKS ITLL MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE HE'S DOING SOMETHING"
"OH FUCKING DUH, REASON WE HAVENT HEARD ABOUT POISON TODAY IS BECAUSE THEY TRIED TO POISON BRIAN"
"SEEMS LOGICAL"

AND THEN WE MADE FUN OF SOME POSTS AND HE GAVE A PARTICULAR READ THAT IM NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT - HE CAN IF HE WANTS BUT THERE ISNT ANY REAL POINT ATM

AND NOW HE'S ASLEEP

[zMuffinMan]

I think scum would try to see who would try to defend Kats

I CAME TO THAT CONCLUSION LATER MYSELF BUT THOUGHT THAT WAS TOO OVERT AND JUST SEEMED LIKE A SILLY THING TO DO *SHRUG*

UNLESS HE JUST HAS A FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHY TO PLAYING SCUM THAN I DO, IT JUST SEEMS POINTLESS TO ME TO TRY TO KILL SOMEONE BECAUSE OF A COP CLAIM, PUSH THEM TOMORROW WHEN YOU THINK THEY'LL JUST CLAIM COP ANYWAY AND SAVE THEMSELF, ALL IN THE HOPES THAT YOU OUT THE PR WHO BLOCKED THE KILL WHEN IT JUST MAKES YOU LOOK WORSE

[zMuffinMan]

IF CUPCAKE WASNT THE KILL, THEN THERES SOME BLOCKING ROLE THAT STOPPED IT AND THEY SHOULD HAVE CLAIMED BY NOW

DONT THINK "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE POISONER" IS A SENSIBLE EXPLANATION FOR NO KILL BECAUSE POISONER WOULD BE A

ROLE

AND UNRELATED TO THE

FACTIONAL KILL

EITHER POISONER IS AN ELABORATE TROLL BY FAKEGOD OR IT ISN'T, BUT IN EITHER SCENARIO, SCUM STILL HAVE A MISSING FACTIONAL KILL SO LIKE IT OR NOT, CUPCAKE WAS PROBABLY SHOT AT LAST NIGHT

[zMuffinMan]

POISONER IS CLEARLY A ROLE

Poisoners and Doctors do not have guns

THE ROLE IS SEPARATE FROM THE FACTIONAL KILL

Mafia member may use any ability he/she has in addition to submitting a night kill

[zMuffinMan]

. . . WHAT? LITERALLY NEVER SEEN THAT AS A ROLE BEFORE AND THAT SEEMS COMPLETELY POINTLESS TO USE N1 LOL

(ALSO GENERALLY PEOPLE ARE INFORMED THEYRE POISONED AND DOC DOESNT STOP THE POISON ACTUALLY TAKING EFFECT IME BUT YMMV - THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S LIKELY IF THERE IS A POISONER THEY TARGETED BRIAN LAST NIGHT, CUPCAKE WAS PROB SHOT FOR THE COP CLAIM)

[zMuffinMan]

THAT'S WORKING ON THE ASSUMPTION POISON TARGETS ARE INFORMED (THIS IS USUALLY THE CASE IME BUT I THINK IVE SEEN INSTANCES WHERE IT DIDNT HAPPEN)

IF NOT, IT DOESNT MATTER (WE'LL FIND OUT EVENTUALLY ANYWAY)

ALSO YEAH IM PRETTY SURE IF A POISONER DOES EXIST (USUALLY FAKEGOD DOESNT TROLL BUT WOULDNT PUT IT PAST HIM), IT DOESNT MODIFY THE FACTIONAL KILL. FAKEGOD ISNT SHY OF USING SCUM VIGS OCCASIONALLY, DOUBT HE'D SHY AWAY FROM GIVING SCUM AN ADDITIONAL POISON KILL

ALSO IN THE UNLIKELY SCENARIO IT IS THAT MODIFIER, I DONT SEE THEM USING IT HERE N1 ANYWAY (LIKE OK, THERE ARE SCENARIOS WHERE YOU MIGHT WANT TO POISON AT THE COST OF NOT KILLING THAT NIGHT BUT N1 AFTER A SCUM LYNCH D1 ISNT ONE OF THEM)

[zMuffinMan]

d2 and i have been told that all capital letters are banned now by our dear overlord

but apparently capital letters make your posts clearer and something about cupcake's soul dying inside him when he used lower case letters

my evil conscience is a bad influence on me

[zMuffinMan]

Muffin's Nancy push was awful and I struggle to see how he wouldn't be able to recognize how obviously town she was if he were town. I don't believe for a second that push was genuine.

l o l youre fucking clueless

i wasnt scum reading her, there was a different purpose behind that but i dont really care enough to explain what i was doing there. just ask cupcake what my read on her was rofl

[zMuffinMan]

lol mariar is still scum and (most) people are ignoring it

[zMuffinMan]

i want to lynch mariar

[zMuffinMan]

for whatever reason, dunnstral, purr and some other people im forgetting seem to think she's town

the only words i have for that are: l o l

[zMuffinMan]

you can always take wisdom's place with the sig bet, spiffeh

(nothing binding though because site rules about outside influences, but scout's honour)

if i'm scum, i'll dedicate my sig to you

[zMuffinMan]

wait...

[zMuffinMan]

I don't really buy that Muffin was content on letting himself get lynched because of the "stupidity" in the game because we had a scum lynch Day 1

that's not what i said (if cupcake said that's what i said then he's conflating separate talking points) and who gives a shit about the D1 scum lynch if collective reads are fucking terrible now rofl

[zMuffinMan]

thinking there's any scum intent in anything i've done this game is laughable (but people have bad reads all the time so i'm not going to fault you for it)

otoh, thinking there's any town intent in the way mariar is playing would make you p awful though (and i don't feel like wasting energy on arguing this so if you see it, you see it and if you don't, you're bad)

[zMuffinMan]

i have another guilty on mariar

[zMuffinMan]

(he cant have been poisoned since he was a doc)

[zMuffinMan]

(sorry, he cant have died to poisoning, he could have been poisoned N1, it failed, someone else could have been poisoned last night)

[zMuffinMan]

Uh, how do you know docs can't be poisoned?

i learned to read at a young age and have kept this skill ever since

[zMuffinMan]

mariar is kokichi's poisoner buddy

c a l l i n g i t n o w

[zMuffinMan]

(kokichi claiming doesn't really matter all that much since he's basically directly denied he targeted brian)

(pretty much you either believe moment or you dont)

[zMuffinMan]

why haven't you been trying like at all in the thread?

partly because i wanted to see what cupcake specifically had to say about different things. partly because i just haven't felt like it

*shrug*

i honestly dont care what your read on me is or whether you believe im town or not

i care more about solving the game than i do about sharing my thoughts in public (though in the likely scenario that kokichi is scum, that was one player i was giving too easy a town read to)

[zMuffinMan]

ps: im not a neighbouriser lol, that's the only thing cupcake has directly lied about afaik

[zMuffinMan]

And Muffin is still the only one I have any degree of scum read on so

then your reads suck

[zMuffinMan]

god you're bad at mafia rofl

[zMuffinMan]

your refusal to lynch mariar is what led to there being likely 3 town wagons yesterday

pretty much on you, dipshit, not cupcake

[zMuffinMan]

cupcake claimed in the neighbourhood

not sure how much of his claim i actually believe but im prety much 100% he's not explicitly lying

he either has some result on me, has some way to verify me or is scum (but i doubt this)

[zMuffinMan]

i didnt say i got into a neighbourhood at night. the neighbourhood was d2 only

[zMuffinMan]

fakegod likely nerfed town power in this game

[zMuffinMan]

i dont really care whether you continue having bad reads spiffeh

not sure what youre asking me to explain dunnstral

[zMuffinMan]

i know why

put 2 and 2 together

if im not the one who did it...

[zMuffinMan]

i told him not to do it, i just chose not to say anything about it when he did

and no, youre very likely wrong for very obvious reasons spiffeh

[zMuffinMan]

ok. do that, then

[zMuffinMan]

youre hilariously bad if you think the reason cupcake fake-claimed is to save a friend

[zMuffinMan]

youre stupidly bad at mafia dunnstral, rofl

and people wonder why we wouldn't give a shit about playing in the main thread

[zMuffinMan]

Not falling for more ate Muffin, sorry

haha

"ate"

[zMuffinMan]

you know, kokichi

i didnt want to lynch you even if you were a cheeky scum fuck because i was enjoying your interactions with wisdom yesterday

was pretty funny

[zMuffinMan]

haha, that's rich

hey dunnstral, give a list of 5 names you think contains the remaining scum (not including kokichi)

[zMuffinMan]

lol cupcake, i told you that brian was gonna die and youd be poisoned

[zMuffinMan]

oh yeah

PT(s) get revealed when cupcake dies

[zMuffinMan]

l o l

[zMuffinMan]

oh, i see

this is probably a mass gunsmith game lol

[zMuffinMan]

gunsmiths have guns, poisoners and docs don't, and it's a mass gunsmith game is what i'm assuming

(and there's probably a scum gunsmith)

[zMuffinMan]

$100 says mariar gets handed a win by dunnstral in lylo because he's shit at mafia

any takers?

[zMuffinMan]

the only reason dunnstral thinks mariar is town is because he's friends with her

literally none of those things are town rofl

[zMuffinMan]

technically i have, just not publicly

[zMuffinMan]

oh, heh, just realised something

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#735 is 100% true, right?
and you know exactly what's possible in terms of the <fourth last word of first line> <last word of first line>?
and #211 was half-true?

took a while for me to put two and two together rofl

[zMuffinMan]

aaaah, i get it (i think). cupcake isn't lying rofl

[zMuffinMan]

obligatory "omg you dont really believe cupcake, do you?"

one of the three stooges was bound to say that anyway

[zMuffinMan]

do you have a PT with maria, cupcake?

[zMuffinMan]

probably should assume that any gunsmith claims after today are from scum

[zMuffinMan]

(pretty obviously not)

[zMuffinMan]

please dont all caps prof fridays, it's obnoxious

[zMuffinMan]

do you have a PT with maria, cupcake?

mariar can answer this question too

[zMuffinMan]

who was your first target moment?

[zMuffinMan]

anyone who doesn't have a result on them and hasn't claimed should claim whether or not they have a gun today (i.e. if youre a gunsmith or some other role that has a gun)

that means {nancy, mariar, dunnstral, prof fridays, purr, pmatt}

(minus whoever moment's first target was)

[zMuffinMan]

cupcake is a sweet, kind-hearted person who has told nothing but truths and has a guilty on mariar and evil meanies like dunnstral and spiffeh and wisdom are trying to discredit him

is the gist

[zMuffinMan]

ok good, just wanted to make sure lol

interested in hearing why the three stooges think you targeted mariar if they don't believe you

"he did it so he could fake-claim more!"

[zMuffinMan]

use red text cupcake, don't think it counts as a trust tell for you lol

[zMuffinMan]

uh, directly lying in red text isn't allowed...

[zMuffinMan]

do you have a gun, nancy?

also stop asking dumb questions ty

[zMuffinMan]

none of the questions you asked are sensible questions to ask

wasn't an insult, just fact

[zMuffinMan]

what are you even talking about

[zMuffinMan]

Kats inno on muffin even if fake must've been believed by scum enough to consider him a threat worth poisoning

yeah, that reminds me

i loled at wisdom suggesting i'm the poisoner while simultaneously suggesting he thinks cupcake is fake-claiming cop results

that's an amazing level of cognitive dissonance

unless he thinks cupcake is fake-claiming the poison as well, in which case where's the poison?

[zMuffinMan]

what does one have to do with the other

why was cupcake poisoned?

[zMuffinMan]

what are you even talking about

[zMuffinMan]

fakegod randoms all the roles outside of the main characters (at least he did last game and he has done similar randomisation in other games)

if a gunsmith is scum, it's purely at random

[zMuffinMan]

(at least that's what

he told me

he did last game*)

[zMuffinMan]

it was like one out of six but the odds of there happening to be one scum PR among them would obviously increase with the number of them so naturally it wouldn't be strange, it just wouldn't be guaranteed

[zMuffinMan]

what does one have to do with the other

why was cupcake poisoned?

still want to hear wisdom speculate about this, given he's asserting cupcake is fake-claiming

[zMuffinMan]

It still means that if someone has no gun and is not a main character they are conf town

not entirely true

[zMuffinMan]

If he really is cop

lol

[zMuffinMan]

(hint: think about the mindset behind the above post)

[zMuffinMan]

she's making an argument for why you should wait to see the flip

(that doesn't matter, why would she say that in the first place?)

[zMuffinMan]

but you are doing that... so what point are you trying to make?

that we're both right or that we're both wrong? because in either scenario, that would mean mariar is scum lol

[zMuffinMan]

you took part of the sentance apart

i did. the part that stood out as something someone who knows someone else is fake-claiming wouldn't say

[zMuffinMan]

so what exactly do you think cupcake's role is?

[zMuffinMan]

you think he fake-claimed deemo (and changed his avatar to the picture of deemo), the titular character of the game this flavour is based on, and no one is counter-claiming that?

or you think fakegod just made that role an underpowered neighbouriser (who can only keep neighbourhoods open for a single day phase) in a game where main characters are always the more power-heavy roles?

l o l

[zMuffinMan]

like it's possible cupcake

is

fake-claiming something about his role, but he's not lying about being a main character and he's not lying about being more than a neighbouriser

he fake-claimed a guilty on ank last game when he was roleblocked but otherwise told the truth about his results (yeah he also fake-claimed a guilty on you but that had nothing to do with his actual results)

you're trying to suggest that because he has a penchant for fake-claiming, he can't be believed at all

i fully believe cupcake is the kind of player who has no reservations about fake-claiming if he has no meaningful results

i don't believe cupcake is the kind of player who would fake-claim at the cost of making his actual results ambiguous (i.e. if he doesn't have a guilty on mariar, it's because he doesn't have a meaningful result to share or he's not worried that people won't be able to tell what his meaningful results are)

so *shrug*

[zMuffinMan]

oh, and the addendum to that last part is that i do believe he's a "JOAT", so the question leads back to: what do you think cupcake's role does if he's a neighbourising JOAT?

i will say this: i believe he isn't lying about having multiple cop shots. he is omitting information but i'm reasonably confident that at least one of my assumptions about how his role works is correct and mariar is probably scum regardless

[zMuffinMan]

even if i completely ignore cupcake and assume he's fake-claiming, mariar has been playing a pretty textbook scum game

this is disregarding stuff like my interpretation of the quote from earlier (which still doesnt make sense no matter how you try to explain it away as her suggesting a hypothetical)

her actions around the mylo wagon (not the fact that she town read him, but why she apparently did, what she was saying about why and the feigned frustration in the vote on him while asserting he would flip town)

the double-think required to go from thinking, for example, that dunnstral and i were scum for wanting mylo lynched (suggesting it's a mislynch) to thinking dunnstral and i are still scum the following day after it turns out to be a scum flip just reinforces the fact that she never really thought what she thought

and things like that vacuous string of "catchup" posts she did yesterday, where she quoted a bunch of things and then said very little that actually mattered and what little she did say that mattered wasn't stellar

and her actions towards the end of the day yesterday, especially around TBG

are all indicative of scum

and your reasons for town-reading her are poor

[zMuffinMan]

funny thing is ive been going through mariar's meta to find even a single example of her voting out of frustration like that as town

and i can't

but if you want to, go ahead and dig one example up that i may have missed

because all i see in that vote is feigned frustration in an attempt to make it seem like she doesn't know what mylo was flipping

[zMuffinMan]

Seems pretty clear that she doesn't believe the claim. She's telling you to lynch not her today because if katsuki were cop you'd see it on his flip and could lynch her the next day

nope. that's not what that post is saying. what that post is saying is that she seems to think cupcake is fake-claiming the result

even if

he's a cop. that's the only way the last part of that sentence makes sense

and that's what was wrong with it

[zMuffinMan]

I know I'm town at most I live for one more day

actually, rather than tell you you're wrong, just ask mariar to explain what this part meant

[zMuffinMan]

IF cupcake is fake-claiming, it has nothing to do with spite

[zMuffinMan]

youre in a neighbourhood with him, right?

why do you think he targeted you?

and what's been said there?

[zMuffinMan]

why would he care about you lol?

if he was gonna fake a guilty on someone purely to get them out of the game, it would be dunnstral

[zMuffinMan]

also i see what cupcake has done but ill wait for him to chime in and confirm it

[zMuffinMan]

would prefer someone unvotes at least temporarily anyway until some stuff gets sorted

[zMuffinMan]

(gunsmiths targeting whoever isn't of particular importance but {matt, nancy, prof, mariar, purr} are the unchecked people who have either not claimed or claimed to not have a gun)

(and id rather day not end before matt checks in)

(and i want to hear something from cupcake)

[zMuffinMan]

(oh and dunnstral is in that first list too iirc)

[zMuffinMan]

oh and there's some reading i want to do but i don't have time for it right now. maybe tonight

[zMuffinMan]

oh and mariar should claim flavour

[zMuffinMan]

dont vote yet. need to check a couple things with fakegod

[zMuffinMan]

ok, i figured cupcake targeted brian last night. my guess was he was either sane->insane->sane or insane->sane->insane but didnt know which. or he was some variety of parity cop but same diff

that's why i wanted him to confirm who he targeted last night and i figured it was brian when mariar said there was no hood

[zMuffinMan]

im actually less sure on mariar being scum now

interestingly, the read im actually thinking cupcake may have been correct about is nancy but reading is required and i dread having to go over nancy ISOs

[zMuffinMan]

@nancy

flavour claim (not role, i want to know your character) in your next post

[zMuffinMan]

the remaining main character is almost certainly scum poisoner and it's one of three people that includes nancy (4 if you dont believe mariar but there arent flavour fake claims)

[zMuffinMan]

matt is the only MC candidate left (apart from purr if hes lying about gunsmith) fyi

[zMuffinMan]

matt is the only MC candidate left (apart from purr if hes lying about gunsmith) fyi

(and spiffeh actually, realised he hadn't flavour-claimed after thread was locked)

essentially, GS claims = wisdom, kokichi, nosferatu, moment, purr
non-GS, non-MC = prof fridays, dunnstral
rest = me (i claimed flavour in the hood), sakura (claimed), mariar (claimed), nancy (claimed), spiffeh, matt

[zMuffinMan]

why the last main character has to be the scum poisoner?

doesnt have to be, but strong likelihood it is

main characters are the main power (on either side), non-mains can be PRs but usually limited or gated in some way in comparison

if scum poisoner is a non-main then uh... i question what how powerful the main is

[zMuffinMan]

i doubt there are fake flavour claims

or there weren't before we started this, it's possible it was asked for since then

so i believe mariar's, and nancy's, and sakura's

they're not the remaining main character (i think)

[zMuffinMan]

sorry, been phone posting and don't have time to go into any detail (busy) but while it's not guaranteed they don't have fake flavour, it's not something that was ever necessary in another game (thus has never been provided before this game, if it was indeed provided)

[zMuffinMan]

Why can't, say, nancy be main character? Townreads aside, is it a flavor thing?

the remaining main character is masked lady (probably). possibly mirai

also if anyone is stupid enough to think i asked for the neighbourhoods to be released today when people were thinking mariar was caught in a lie, then there's no helping you

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also if anyone is stupid enough to think i asked for the neighbourhoods to be released today when people were thinking mariar was caught in a lie, then there's no helping you

Neighborhoods releasing when he died was part of his role

what? you mean what

didn't actually happen

until after i said this?

you think i as scum in that position give a flying fuck about PTs being released early? or you think him saying "sorry about that" and releasing them immediately afterward wasn't directly related to me?

[zMuffinMan]

Your entire argument for yourself being town amounts to you pointing out what was essentially a mod error

lol no

i just enjoy seeing how many ways you can be wrong with all the evidence pointing in the opposite direction

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Also: People have called you town for your play in the neighborhood vs your play in the game thread, so there's a motive for you if the whole moral thing doesn't pan out. I don't subscribe to that but some people do

hint: the PT would have been released anyway after the d3 lynch (which wasn't going to be me) so this doesn't explain it

[zMuffinMan]

i didn't fake-claim anything

you can literally see in the PT i told cupcake not to do it

[zMuffinMan]

i didn't need to take advantage of anything. you were already doing it you fucking derp rofl

and yeah, i went along with it (im not going to explicitly trample cupcake's efforts if he gave that much of a shit about it). i never lied about anything though and i never fake-claimed anything

(also im still technically confirmed via cupcake but even if you don't believe he had a genuine cop inno on me, i'm still interested in your explanation for him being poisoned and how that circles back to me being scum)

[zMuffinMan]

it's truly amusing how hard you're trying to twist this me-scum narrative here, despite all evidence to the contrary

like i told cupcake not to fake-claim for me. you think that was reverse psychology or something?

[zMuffinMan]

Muffins was right there pushing Maria and saying she was scum

lol you fucking derp

i was working on the assumption he had a neighbourhood with mariar which would have meant a genuine result

that's why i spent most of d3 asking the same fucking question about who had the hood

[zMuffinMan]

i have another guilty on mariar

@Sakura

yes, this was said in seriousness

rofl

[zMuffinMan]

(it probably is mariar actually)

[zMuffinMan]

the possible poisoners are: me, sakura, spiffeh, dunnstral, prof fridays, mariar (unsure who hasn't checked who among the gunsmiths but im taking their claims at face value for now since that probably gets resolved one way or another before endgame)

sakura ain't scum
spiffeh ain't scum
dunnstral is a derp

it's one of prof fridays and mariar

[zMuffinMan]

Is this true Muffin? Do you not kill Kat as scum?

i havent ever in any previous game, but i might if i thought he was a threat

do you think i thought he was a threat?

lol

[zMuffinMan]

what exactly do you think cupcake's role was?

[zMuffinMan]

you think i, with all the information available in the PT and him claiming an inno on me, saw him as a threat enough to poison him N2?

let's make this simple: either he was telling the truth about the inno but there's no hard evidence of him telling the truth about it in the PT

OR

he was faking it and i gain nothing as scum by having him dead as opposed to continuing with his fake-claim

in what world do i give a shit about cupcake enough to poison him N2?

you know who would give a shit about cupcake? someone who actually thinks he has a legit inno on me

[zMuffinMan]

(actually, im pretty sure he was telling the truth about the inno but that's because it seems rather obvious to me what his role actually was)

(will find out in endgame if i was correct and if i am, it's a pretty clever role. kudos fakegod)

[zMuffinMan]

Day 2 they're in a neighborhood and he reveals he has a weak investigative role. That + him being protected by doctor means he gets poisoned

yeah, the 'weak investigative role' that led him to call me town and fake-claim on my behalf to save me from being lynched was a real threat to me

... ... ...

simply genius

[zMuffinMan]

yeah he needed me to die, that's why he tried to stop me being lynched

makes sense

[zMuffinMan]

he needed me to die but he was protecting me hard

i killed him because i saw this as a threat to me

yeah

[zMuffinMan]

im not even caught up on the game, if you couldn't fucking tell from me quoting something like 25 pages back rofl

[zMuffinMan]

thanks for looking out for me, dunnstral

[zMuffinMan]

Kill him before we says something about the "inno" - if he ever does

after claiming for me to prevent me getting lynched

Kill him before he can check other people, making his job harder

while he's claiming an inno on me

Kill him so it looks like he's cleared before Katsuki can elaborate

even though cupcake could have "elaborated" at any point d2 if this was the case

yeah, not sure how i ever stood a chance against the your amazing deduction skills

[zMuffinMan]

i'm reading spiffeh as town for something i probably shouldn't be town-reading him for and i'm not going to talk about

=]

i think he's more likely to be town than scum anyway

and i doubt sakura is scum

which leaves you and mariar as potential poisoners

(unsure which of the gunsmiths haven't been checked yet but really those should all be double-checked by multiple sources if we dont hit poisoner today, just in case)

[zMuffinMan]

i wouldn't kill nancy because i don't think she's good at finding scum lol

[zMuffinMan]

prodge

[zMuffinMan]

hi

i'm town

who's scum?