Elemental Mafia- Game Over!

Muerrto · Post Post #255 (isolation #0) » Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:51 am

Wow...11 pages...

Sorry in about 6 newbie games right now and didn't know the game started lol

Reading and will try and post later. Definitely the biggest game I've ever been in =p

Muerrto · Post Post #267 (isolation #1) » Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:05 am

Wow...that was a long effing read...

Vote: TSN

Saying 'unrecruitable' was no big deal and we should lynch Mac anyway was way out there. And even after saying that he's still trying to line up the lynches and say which order they go in.

Leading the town too much for my taste.

Muerrto · Post Post #268 (isolation #2) » Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:25 am

TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:And yes, I might not really seem like I care who gets lynched. . . because I don't. A lot of the players who are protown now may not even be protown tomorrow. We shouldn't lynch at random, but right now, we are being too discerning, and we need to just start stringing people up.

Which makes 'unrecruitable' even more valuable, yes?

Muerrto · Post Post #270 (isolation #3) » Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:42 am

No pressure, I'm quite content lynching him

Muerrto · Post Post #272 (isolation #4) » Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:04 am

FoS: Mizzy

because while I've also never played with cults I assume they're bad =p

Muerrto · Post Post #273 (isolation #5) » Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:04 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:
unvote, vote: Muerto
Start making sense or die.

Hehe what part didn't you understand?

Muerrto · Post Post #275 (isolation #6) » Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:43 am

Well...TSN was naughty!!!

He's trying to tell people what to do and he's trying to hurt the 'unrecruitable' Mac!!!

He says 'unrecruitable' is no big deal but he's wrong.

Also, Mizzy is naughty somewhat for trying to promote cultism.

Not sure how to say that last one to a preeschooler =p

Muerrto · Post Post #278 (isolation #7) » Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:59 am

Lol I can't tell if she's mocking me or not =p

Muerrto · Post Post #283 (isolation #8) » Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:25 am

I think the only case on DoS was that he was avoiding jumping into the fray. Weak at best.

Muerrto · Post Post #288 (isolation #9) » Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:35 am

(5) Macavenger: (Erg0, Korlash, Ooba, TSPN, Kabenon)
(5) TSPN: (Macavenger, Cavebear, Armlx, Roland, Muerrto)
(3) Mizzy: (Xtoxm, Kison, Mneme)
(2) Jediknight: (Elvis Knits, DoS)
(1) Muerrto: (DGB)
(1) Elvis Knits: (Jediknight)
(1) Kison: (Lowell)
(1) DGB: (farside22)
(1) Cavebear: (Mizzy)
(2) Not voting: (Lord Hur, Andycyca)

Mizzy - why Cavebear?
Jedi - why Elvis?
Lowell - why Kison?
Farside - why DGB?
DGB - why me?

Hur and Andy - why no one?

There seems to be 3-4 large wagons at the moment (Mac, Mizzy, TSPN, and Jedi somewhat) and alot of these outlying votes are simply causing confusion and are mainly left overs from past pages, past wagons, or even the very beginning. Explanations?

Muerrto · Post Post #290 (isolation #10) » Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:44 am

While I'd say the PM's sound like they can still be recruited, Xtoxm is right, it matters not to the town.

FoS: Mac

despite the claim.

Muerrto · Post Post #296 (isolation #11) » Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:10 pm

kabenon007 wrote:
Muertto wrote:While I'd say the PM's sound like they can still be recruited, Xtoxm is right, it matters not to the town.

Incorrect, it matters greatly to the town. If someone is already a cult member, and they are recruited to another cult, that is one less vanilla townie who got taken away from the town.

Um re-read your post for me and then repost it...or don't respost it and post this:

instead.

Muerrto · Post Post #297 (isolation #12) » Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:12 pm

kabenon007 wrote:How not? Okay, let's take a look here. We have two cult leaders, Leader A and Leader B. Each Leader has one Follower: Follower of A and Follower of B. There are, just for sake of a number, six other townies. If both Leaders recruit a new Follower from the pool of townies, there would be four townies, Leaders A and B, and two Followers A and two Followers B. However, if Leader A recruits Follower B, and Leader B recruits from the townie pool, there is Leader A with his two Followers A, and Leader B with only one Follower B, which means only one new townie got recruited, leaving the town with five members instead of the four they would have if the cross recruit hadn't occurred. Therefore, a cross recruit means there is one more townie than if the cross recruit had not occurred.

Um...no because the cult leaders don't know who's in other cults. So if they're recruitable it'll succeed, if they're not it'll fail. But they can of course either way still target them so whether they're recruitable or not doesn't affect the town.

Muerrto · Post Post #303 (isolation #13) » Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:18 pm

kabenon007 wrote:I'm just saying that, in those ideal circumstances, it is helpful to the town.

If a town is picked and a cult member is picked? Of course. Heck if 2 cops are picked that's awesome.

But what does that have to with whether it succeeds or not?

The correct scenario should've been

Cult A and B, A picks a townie, B picks a cult A member. Either:

1. Cult A stays the same size and B grows 1 and town loses 1

or

2. Cults A gains 1, B stays the same because it fails, and town loses 1

Same scenario for the town. Your scenario had them targetting different people. But how would whether it fails or not change the target?

Muerrto · Post Post #304 (isolation #14) » Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:20 pm

EBWOP: Why did that take almost a full page to discuss and come to a conclusion about?

It's not hard. If town's green and cult's are red and blue, no matter how much red and blue swap, how does that affect the size of the green?

Muerrto · Post Post #305 (isolation #15) » Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:22 pm

lord_hur wrote:Hmm actually, if CRs can fight with each other for recruits, that's less pressure for town, since they're not the only pool of players who can be recruited.

Sigh but the cults don't KNOW who is in another cult so they will be targetting other cults and the town.

Whether it fails or not no matter who they target doesn't affect the town in any way shape or form. It only affects the cults. And since it affects the cults equally it really doesn't matter whether they're recruitable or not, just makes it really complicated for the person who shifted cults five times =p

Muerrto · Post Post #308 (isolation #16) » Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:42 pm

kabenon007 wrote:Because if the blues and reds hadn't been swapping each other, the green would have gone down. But because the red and blue are fighting amongst themselves, they are not depleting the green. While the town doesn't gain members, it doesn't lose them either.

No because remember the blues reds and greens don't KNOW who's blue red or green =p

Please re-read my scenario and see how it never affects the town.

Either that or someone else post on this and explain it better.

If the cult KNEW who the town/other cults were then it'd make a difference because they'd obviously choose the town or choose the other cults depending. But if they're simply picking from a grab bag and you take 2 scenarios where they take the same people it matters not.

Here we go, nice and in depth lol

Cult A, Cult B, town

Scenario 1: Both cults take from the town(by chance since they don't know).

1a and 1b. town loses 2 whether cultists can be recruited or not.

Scenario 2: Cult A takes from Cult B and Cult B takes from Cult A.

2a. They switch places being recruited, town loses nothing.

2b. They don't because it fails, town loses....wait for it...nothing.

Scenario 3: Cult A takes from town, Cult B takes from Cult A

3a. Cult A stays the same and Cult B grows 1, town also loses 1

3b. It fails so Cult A grows 1, Cult B loses 1, and town also loses...wait for it...wait for it....ONE!!!

So as we can see class, IT DOESN'T MATTER! Whether they're recruitable or not does NOT ever, ever, EVER affect the town.

Now is this discussion helpful in any way or necessary? No. But don't quote statistics wrong and expect me to sit back and watch =p

Muerrto · Post Post #314 (isolation #17) » Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:03 pm

kabenon007 wrote:I'd say that whether the town loses one or two townies matters.

Lmao I give up, you simply don't understand...

THE CULTISTS DON'T KNOW WHO'S TOWN OR CULT SO THEY'RE PICKING RANDOMLY! WHETHER THEY CAN CROSS RECRUIT OR NOT WON'T AFFECT WHO THEY PICK SINCE IT'S RANDOM!

Not sure if that was clear enough but I'm definitely leaving this subject be. PM later if you want to know how statictics work =p

Muerrto · Post Post #329 (isolation #18) » Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:41 am

Shrug if he votes himself it speeds things up, can we get 2 more please?

Muerrto · Post Post #330 (isolation #19) » Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:47 am

Completely off topic but when is everyone going back to their original avatars and losing the nibbler bit? It's horribly annoying =p

Muerrto · Post Post #335 (isolation #20) » Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:36 am

I spose we should wait for a claim of some sort? Or are we still keen on speed lynching?

Muerrto · Post Post #337 (isolation #21) » Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:56 am

Wait a sec, I'm getting the feeling he really is legit, and if so we do want you dead before night, but we don't want you dead before we kill some other non-town people.

Do we listen to him and take someone else?

I'd say yes actually and if it's a gambit it's a good one. I'm assuming you're claiming vanilla at this point?

Unvote

We can put you on a list to die later but we may need your votes before night fall.

Course if we're still just randomly speed lynching then someone tell me and I'll put my vote back on but I'd rather kill the cults before random recruitable townies.

Muerrto · Post Post #339 (isolation #22) » Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:18 pm

Not to answer for him, but I'd have to say no.

We do want to lynch a few so the cults have less a chance to recruit. But we also want to get the actual recruiters. So atm, since we have 2 townies down and no recruiters, I'd rather not lynch TSN quite yet.

I'd still say lynch him before night because:

A. he could be lying

B. he's recruitable if he's not A

C. he's just vanilla if he's not A(I assume since he's recruitable)

but at this time I'd rather have his town(supposedly) vote working for us.

Again if we're not thinking that heavy then whatever, the first 10 pages were just random accusations and pie throwing so if that's the case let's string him up. If we've slowed our frenzy I'd rather see someone else hang.

Muerrto · Post Post #343 (isolation #23) » Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:38 pm

I'm not convinced but you're saying the trouble of voting him again is worth killing him now and losing his voice?

And you FoS'ed me?! Re-read what you said and tell me it doesn't sound scummy.

Muerrto · Post Post #345 (isolation #24) » Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:43 pm

Ok so just say you're lazy then and be done with it lol

If we're lynching him now cause we're lazy shrug I guess...

Vote: TSN

Someone hammer already lol. I'm used to small games where we care who dies hehe.

Also since we'll have less people later it'll be a smaller wagon so less effort but that's besides the point.

Muerrto · Post Post #347 (isolation #25) » Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:51 pm

I disagree. If he's plain town and we're not 100% sure we should lynch him because of my three reasons above. I just wanted to keep what votes we had while we could. Shrug, we're not to the point where we're trying that hard yet apparently so string him up lol

Muerrto · Post Post #372 (isolation #26) » Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:23 am

Shrug, I still think lynching TSN now was dumb but whatever:

Vote: Lord Hur

he seems against dying which if he's a plain townie he shouldn't and his logic was pretty poor.

Next!

Muerrto · Post Post #377 (isolation #27) » Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:12 am

Lol 'Hey, Wayne'

That's like 'Are you scum?' Love it! Used to always do that in RL werewolf games.

Muerrto · Post Post #387 (isolation #28) » Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:02 am

Um..this isn't going well...4 townies down...

Is bum rushing the answer?

Muerrto · Post Post #389 (isolation #29) » Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:49 am

I thought maybe he was another dayvig, why'd he go boom?

Muerrto · Post Post #393 (isolation #30) » Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:45 pm

Shrug we could be elitist bastards and lynch the people who joined in 2008(like LH). Only 2 left, Cavebear and Mac. Haven't heard alot from Bear but Mac's been good and claimed as well.

(and yes I realise that's a retarded reason to lynch someone and yes I'm joking)

Muerrto · Post Post #406 (isolation #31) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:29 pm

Macavenger wrote:DGB, can you explain why you want to go after armlx? I'm more inclined to trust your motivations than most people in this game since I'm nearly certain you're not a recruit or SK, but I'm not seeing what armlx has done that's worth going after.

Actually I see DGB leading most of these lynches. What town tells are you seeing from her?

Muerrto · Post Post #409 (isolation #32) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:03 pm

Macavenger wrote:I'm not seeing town tells specifically - as I noted in the post you quoted, it's a statistics thing based on my protection last night. I'm not getting town or scum vibes from DGB, and statistically she's less likely to be scum than the many other people I don't have a solid read on.

I'm not saying DGB is scum(cult whatever) but I don't like bad statistics. You jailed her, granted. That means we can assume she's not Wayne.

However, unless your role says if you jail a recruiter it doesn't work, you don't know if she's town or a recruiter that didn't get to recruit. Unless something in your PM says otherwise, she has just as much chance of being scum than town.

Again, not saying I suspect her but I don't like bad logic and people following people blindly.

Muerrto · Post Post #412 (isolation #33) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:12 pm

I don't like the vote for Bear right after I jokingly suggested it...

FoS: DoS

ah whatever, nowhere near lynch anyway

Vote: DoS

FoS's seem to be pointless atm

Muerrto · Post Post #421 (isolation #34) » Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:18 am

It is kinda bad to set a limit AFTER we lynch 4 town. I'm gonna have to agree with the others.

Muerrto · Post Post #447 (isolation #35) » Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:19 am

Hm.. I thought it was weird that Jedi never even mentioned the DoS wagon but then Korlash and Farside defended him pretty strongly. Mac did as well but voted him anyway? Strange behavior.

Right now I'd have to say Jedi's was the worst because whether you agree with the wagon or not, not having an opinion either way is definitely fishy.

Jedi=recruiter, DoS=recruit or vice versa? Perhaps.

Muerrto · Post Post #452 (isolation #36) » Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:26 am

Wouldn't neutral be Wayne? How else are you 'neutral'?

Muerrto · Post Post #473 (isolation #37) » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:45 pm

elvis_knits wrote:
jediknight wrote:No...I didn't have a comment on the DoS wagon... I personally think we'd be better served with an armlx or elvis_knits wagon. They seem to be leading everyone around and getting town killed off.

I am coming to agree that multiple lynching is most likely the best course in this game, but I'm also struggling with the inherent need I have for reason. I'm not seeing alot of reasoning. Elvis_knits voted Andycyca for little reason than he was gone for the weekend. It all just seems reckless. Perhaps this game is meant to be reckless.

I will
unvote armlix vote: DoS
. The page or so after my last post does raise questions with me and survivor just doesn't wash. I'm fast thinking this game is moves too fast for my way of thinking. But I still question armlix and elvis_knits methods.

vote jedi

Nice hammer and blame other people post.

Um except he didn't blame other people, he blamed you...

And you OMGUS'ed him immediately after...

Thinking before I place my next vote, don't like Elvis' quick attack

Muerrto · Post Post #496 (isolation #38) » Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:24 am

Xtoxm wrote:
Erg0 wrote:That would be correct, yes. I was busy over the weekend when the game exploded, hence I missed something like 14 pages of action. I'm playing now, though.
Ok, that's fair enough, just don't wanna let people use lurking as a strategy.

But you didn't unvote...

Muerrto · Post Post #501 (isolation #39) » Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:12 am

So you get called on it twice and then unvote? If it was fair enough the first post it should've contained an unvote, unvoting later after being called on it multiple times looks like you're trying to please. Who are you trying to please?

Muerrto · Post Post #515 (isolation #40) » Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:12 pm

I'm looking at Xtomx or Jedi myself

Muerrto · Post Post #526 (isolation #41) » Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:41 am

I still don't like Jedi and I don't like him deciding he likes killing Armlx when he's under heat. I also don't like he's still advocating killing Elvis w/a claim when there's plenty who haven't claimed.

For that reason(happy?)

Vote: Jedi

Muerrto · Post Post #527 (isolation #42) » Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:44 am

My question is, can Roland confirm he was blocked? Interesting he never spoke up about that. Possibly a recruiter that WAS blocked and doesn't want to speak up? He's also been lurking horribly as well and posting fluff mostly.

How's that for reason?

Muerrto · Post Post #529 (isolation #43) » Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:57 am

Sooo.. any response to my 2 posts Armlx?

Most of what's flying around is WIFOM but calling it that doesn't help your case any. Sounds like defensivness.

Muerrto · Post Post #531 (isolation #44) » Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:06 am

Hehe I'm not voting you, voting the one trying to get you killed, and you FoS me? Wow. Ok, shrug. I'm also waiting for a response from Roland but I was wondering what you thought about the possibility as well as about Jedi wanting to lynch not only you but Elvis who's claimed?

Is discussion bad in a huge game like this? I've never seen so many experienced players play so rashly =p

Muerrto · Post Post #533 (isolation #45) » Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:48 am

Shrug still haven't replied to anything else I asked about. Discussion is apparently bad in this game =p

Muerrto · Post Post #537 (isolation #46) » Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:22 am

Roland responded to it but didn't confirm or deny which makes me wary of him, maybe he doesn't want people to know he was blocked.

And yes, this game is fast and the wagons are haphazard. I'll be amazed if town wins...

Muerrto · Post Post #545 (isolation #47) » Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:54 am

Ok, more discussion, somewhat... Finally!

@Mneme: Why Elvis? Don't buy the claim? Why?

@Oooba: Same question, different target.

@All: The current page puts Armlx in more of a town light, IMO. Does that change your need to lynch him? Why/why not?

@Armlx: What about Mizzy's posts makes you think she's pro-town? I don't see it. I didn't see the wagon on her either but I don't see pro-town.

Muerrto · Post Post #547 (isolation #48) » Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:24 am

Lowell wrote:
armlx wrote:
Lowell wrote:Sounds okay. If I had to meta this, I'd say it's the sort of second-tier experienced players that will be targetted for recruit. Someone like armlx.
vote armlx
Hi, I'm WIFOM, nice to meet you. There are infinite factors around recruits you can't just assume.
And again, cult games aren't won by lynching recruits D1
.
Good point, actually. Well taken.

But you're still voting him...

Muerrto · Post Post #548 (isolation #49) » Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:25 am

EBWOP: Ignore that, nm read the vote count wrong

Muerrto · Post Post #564 (isolation #50) » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:25 pm

Wait though. We've got 4 lynches left. Why not use the other 3 first and then come back to him? If we hit no recruiters I kinda wanna let him live. We take out 2 or 3, fine, string him up.

Never expected to find Wayne so quick out of 25 people.

Muerrto · Post Post #600 (isolation #51) » Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:04 am

ooba wrote:Multiple Lynches sure - but we could have lynched him at end of day near deadline..

If we didn't hit Cult Leaders by then, we should have let him live ..

QFT

But shrug Ergo had a good point too about time constraints. I didn't see anyone saying 'let him live forever' so saying someone was defending scum is a stretch and scapegoating.

Muerrto · Post Post #609 (isolation #52) » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:30 am

Next? This is looking god awful for the town...

I wouldn't mind maybe lynching one of the more vocal people yelling to kill Jedi after his claim since the cult would definitely want the SK dead, it's the only way they can be NK'ed.

Muerrto · Post Post #612 (isolation #53) » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:00 am

But the blockers had no information they just blocked him so that doesn't make him more or less likely to be a CL. Now the fact that he's lurking massively bothers me but he's been prodded I guess we wait and see.

Muerrto · Post Post #618 (isolation #54) » Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:59 pm

Mac's claim becomes more valid IMO just from that response, very matter of fact. Definitely against lynching him.

Sadly Elivs' sounds legit too. So where to now? I'll try and re-read and see what I think.

Muerrto · Post Post #619 (isolation #55) » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:16 pm

Kabenon had a pretty 'convincing' post about it being a false claim and him really being a CL. Xtomx backed it up pretty quickly without much thought and voted him at the same time. Little weird both of those. Moreso Xtomx who's been under heat earlier as well.

Andy also simply jumped in there at the end. As did Kison.

But then Xtomx jumped on Andy immediately after the lynch...

Vote: Xtomx

FoS: Andy

Muerrto · Post Post #631 (isolation #56) » Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:17 am

Not to be WIFOMy but would Lowell actually say that as scum? I doubt it.

@Cave: Why voting for Armlx if you're suspiscious of Andy? What about Armlx's play puts him scummier than Andy? Also, if you weren't okay with lynching Wayne, why didn't you speak up?

@Andy: You jumped in again...

@Mac: The idea that Jedi was false claiming SK and was really a cult leader was pretty far fetched. The fact that Xtomx chimed in immediately after agreeing so easily was horrible. That's what I meant. One person thinking something like that, possibly legitimately is weird. Someone else just going 'yeah that sounds right' and voting for it is another thing altogether. That's why he has my vote.

Muerrto · Post Post #632 (isolation #57) » Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:28 am

My favorite part about this game is the lack of discussion and logical thinking

Does anyone feel like scrolling back and answering my questions?

Muerrto · Post Post #654 (isolation #58) » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:08 pm

So has Andy's...

and Lowells...

How'd you come around to farside?

He's even voting a dying wagon. If he's scum(cult) he's doing a bad job of it. Should've jumped on the other more stronger wagons. Vote Stands and FoS the people trying to shift it.

Muerrto · Post Post #659 (isolation #59) » Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:59 am

So far a couple people on the Lowell wagon are the ones I'm already suspecting...

Andy, Kabenon

And Kabenon just jumped FROM Andy to Lowell, the wagon Andy is currently on...

So you're ok with lynching him but now you're agreeing on the next lynch target?

Muerrto · Post Post #663 (isolation #60) » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:39 am

kabenon007 wrote:Yep. It's called bussing.

I hope that's a joke. With 4 different cults, the only 'bussing' could be a recruit bussing his recruiter or vice versa and with the amount of recruits/recruiters/town we have that is an extremely small possibility. That's your second far fetched claim.

Muerrto · Post Post #666 (isolation #61) » Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:27 pm

You said also, and you already had said bussing, yet you didn't retract in the second post or your more recent one. Also interesting.

Can you explain how it could possibly be bussing and much more importantly, how you would know?

Muerrto · Post Post #668 (isolation #62) » Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:29 pm

I was assuming he was responding to me since Armlx is talking to Farside.

Muerrto · Post Post #671 (isolation #63) » Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:51 pm

kabenon007 wrote:Oh please Muertto. You are just trying to find things to attack people for now. You answered how it could be bussing in your post against me already, why ask it if you already know the answer?

And did I say I know? No, I said that it was called bussing. That is what it could be. What's wrong with that? It could be that, couldn't it?

Appeal to emotion much? Trying to find things to attack people? Um..I've been the one trying to slow the lynches and get people to discuss things. With this last post I definitely feel confident

Unvote, Vote: Kabenon

Muerrto · Post Post #679 (isolation #64) » Thu May 01, 2008 7:52 am

Shrug I give up. I thought playing with experienced players instead of as an IC in a newbie game would be enlightening. You guys are completely random and so far completely wrong. What's worse is you have this air of superiority that makes you feel like you don't have to explain your actions. It's horrible.

I definitely wash my hands of this day and this mob mentality. I repeat my statement earlier that if the town wins this it'll be a miracle.

Unvote

Oh, and if Kaenon's a recruiter/recruit I say HA! in your general direction.(same for Xtomx)

Muerrto · Post Post #685 (isolation #65) » Thu May 01, 2008 9:11 am

I'm not whining, I'm sick of asking questions that never get answered and getting 1 word or 1 line responses to things. There's no discussion or logic occuring and we've killed 4 town today, 1 SK, 1 survivor, and no cult. Yet people are STILL just jumping wagons instead of paying attention and reasoning who to vote for. Then when someone DOES post reasons, like your Ooba thing which is valid or my case on Xtomx which people have said is also valid yet DON'T pressure him or vote him then another wagon builds, another townie's lynched and we'll go to night with all the cult alive. Watch and see if we don't.

What I want to know is, where is your reasoning for the current wagon you're on, all those voting someone, and what is your reasoning for NOT being on a different wagon?

Muerrto · Post Post #687 (isolation #66) » Thu May 01, 2008 9:43 am

But Armlx didn't claim RB'er, did he? Don't you mean Elvis?

Muerrto · Post Post #694 (isolation #67) » Thu May 01, 2008 3:30 pm

Shrug I'd vote for Andy, Xtomx, or Kabenon for afore mentioned reasons. But not Lowell(someone preaching my townness that much may be buddying up to me but I don't see that) or Armlx(I don't like the pressure he's been getting all game from all sides, it doesn't seem deserved).

We DO need to speed the decisions a little though and stop going off on tangents since we DO have a deadline.

Muerrto · Post Post #696 (isolation #68) » Thu May 01, 2008 3:49 pm

armlx wrote:Muerrto: Playing an multiple lynches a day cult game is probably an inaccurate example of newbies vs experienced players.

Btw, sorry missed this. I understand and I also understand this game is pretty chaotic just from the sign up sheet and people shouting about 4 cults. I just think we could be in a better position now had we not gone crazy lynching all over without thought or discussion and if we continue down the same path there's no doubt in my mind we'll lose.

Not trying to call anyone out for anything since almost everyone has been doing it but it needs to end or we'll never make it to day 3.

Muerrto · Post Post #713 (isolation #69) » Fri May 02, 2008 5:27 am

Vote: Andy

reasons already stated earlier

*crosses fingers*

Muerrto · Post Post #725 (isolation #70) » Fri May 02, 2008 8:11 am

armlx wrote:1) Why claim recruitable.

QFT

All that did was help the cults and in no way benefitted the town.

Muerrto · Post Post #726 (isolation #71) » Fri May 02, 2008 8:12 am

Plus you'd be the first power role that's recruitable...kind of iffy.

Muerrto · Post Post #728 (isolation #72) » Fri May 02, 2008 8:14 am

Andycyca wrote:I followed Muerrto and he didn't do anything N0

Um...you followed the one name on this list no one(or just about no one) knows and the person who happens to be voting your lynch the most?

This combined w/my previous post definitely makes the claim debatable.

Muerrto · Post Post #731 (isolation #73) » Fri May 02, 2008 8:18 am

Ahhhahahaha nm, his claim is bogus! Lynch him! He couldn't have followed me!

Sorry, my bad, not paying attention, string him up!

Muerrto · Post Post #732 (isolation #74) » Fri May 02, 2008 8:19 am

Can you tell us EXACTLY what your result was? VERY important!

Muerrto · Post Post #736 (isolation #75) » Fri May 02, 2008 8:25 am

Xtoxm wrote:I had the feeling you were subtley counterclaim him without actually cc'ing with your null argument about choice of target.

Not countering. Need to know his EXACT result. Please don't hammer him before we hear that and DON'T hint as to what he should/shouldn't say like Xtomx started to sort of.

Muerrto · Post Post #737 (isolation #76) » Fri May 02, 2008 8:26 am

String him up. If he's telling the truth we'll need to discuss that w/the mod =p

Muerrto · Post Post #740 (isolation #77) » Fri May 02, 2008 8:30 am

Doesn't matter since he alrdy claimed what his result was, don't wanna go into too much detail but if he's telling the truth then we have a gameplay issue. Otherwise his claim is bogus.

Muerrto · Post Post #746 (isolation #78) » Fri May 02, 2008 8:44 am

Sigh it sounds like he's telling the truth so I need to PM the mod.

Don't hammer.

Muerrto · Post Post #747 (isolation #79) » Fri May 02, 2008 8:47 am

That's 9, please stop =p

Muerrto · Post Post #750 (isolation #80) » Fri May 02, 2008 8:54 am

He tried to vote himself dead, yes I believe him. I'm not sure how much detail you want me to go into in thread so I took it to PM w/the mod. This is a misunderstanding either on my part or the mod's if he's legit so I'm getting clarification. If it's clarified, fry him.

Muerrto · Post Post #752 (isolation #81) » Fri May 02, 2008 8:57 am

For now since we have a deadline I spose we could move on to the next target and assume he's a tracker. If he's not I'll speak up and we can kill him. I doubted him till he self-hammered himself and it turned out not to be the hammer. Self voting is one thing, self-hammering makes no sense unless you're town.(which sound weird but you know what I mean)

Muerrto · Post Post #753 (isolation #82) » Fri May 02, 2008 8:57 am

Like I said, I can elaborate here but I don't think itt's in the town's interest.

Muerrto · Post Post #761 (isolation #83) » Fri May 02, 2008 9:03 am

I think he means he's willing to hammer himself, he wasn't voting himself. Please don't hammer yourself, you waste one of today's lynches and you can still track tonight assuming you're legit even if you're recruited and we can kill you tomorrow.

Muerrto · Post Post #762 (isolation #84) » Fri May 02, 2008 9:04 am

There is no pro-town reason to waste one of our last lynches if you're not a recruiter, period.

Muerrto · Post Post #765 (isolation #85) » Fri May 02, 2008 1:10 pm

Do we know the exact date of the deadline? Should we be moving on to someone else? I heard from BM but won't hear from him about a decision till tomorrow so didn't wanna stall the game.

Muerrto · Post Post #767 (isolation #86) » Fri May 02, 2008 1:20 pm

Either Andy is absolutely not a tracker or absolutely is, that's what I need to know. That's why it's hard to get confirmation because confirming a role is definitely not fair for the game but it will confirm him either way. We'll have to see.

What I'd like to start doing in the mean time is check the ones who reluctantly kind of threw their vote in at the end, before the claim and my claim that it was BS. Most likely cult who didn't know he was a tracker but knew they weren't in their cult.

Muerrto · Post Post #768 (isolation #87) » Fri May 02, 2008 1:21 pm

EBWOP: knew Andy wasn't in their cult.

Muerrto · Post Post #770 (isolation #88) » Fri May 02, 2008 1:30 pm

I don't think he's declining, he agreed with me that it's a situation but yeah it is confirming a role. Sucks but necessary IMO. I think we'll just have a confirmed tracker honestly, he seemed legit when he hammered himself and gave his results.

Weird he picked me tho...

Muerrto · Post Post #775 (isolation #89) » Sat May 03, 2008 4:54 am

The ruling is it's up to us to decide, which I agree with. Confirming a role is something a mod can't and shouldn't do. I've asked for clarification on FUTURE occurences that way it won't confirm or deny this one.

Anyway, saying Andy PURPOSELY didn't unvote to appear town when his vote WOULD have hammered himself is nothing short of ludicrous. He FORGOT to unvote when he hammered himself.

That said, I still think killing him today is a waste because since it WAS the hammer, he's NOT a recruiter throwing the game for himself by killing himself. Even if he's a recruit that makes him a POOR target for one of our LAST lynches today.

The people pushing it have all earned my

FoS

We have TWO lynches left and have found NO recruiters out of FOUR. That's bad. Pushing Andy's lynch has no logical basis and is anti-town to be sure.

Muerrto · Post Post #776 (isolation #90) » Sat May 03, 2008 7:25 am

What a coincidence that Xtomx pops up on my FoS list. Why is it so hard to believe he forgot to unvote? It's easier to believe that his vote was a gambit and he knew it wouldn't kill him(even though others were still voting him at the time)? That's crazy.

Armlx was for lynching him but seemed to be in a more town way. He seemed to simply be surprised I bought his claim but he doesn't know all the details so it's understandable. Not town points but not in a cult w/Andy most likely.

Cavebear

seems

sincere and his logic

seems

correct but misguided perhaps? Still. Definitely earns my FoS.

Mneme gets good town points for saying exactly what town would and should say. There's 4 recruiters and killing a tracker isn't on our list of priorities.

Vote: Xtomx

I knew I should've stuck with that vote a few pages back...

Muerrto · Post Post #777 (isolation #91) » Sat May 03, 2008 12:17 pm

Bah

Unvote, Vote: Xtomx

Muerrto · Post Post #780 (isolation #92) » Sat May 03, 2008 12:53 pm

Andy is cleared, the chances he'd target me and cause this fiasco are literally 1 in 24(since he wouldn't track himself) and I'm confident he's cleared. You'd rather take the chance he's 1 of only FOUR people we want to lynch out of 18? I think your pressuring for lynching a claimed and

mostly]

confirmed tracker is noted though.

Muerrto · Post Post #782 (isolation #93) » Sat May 03, 2008 12:54 pm

Btw, with 4 recruiters and multiple power roles floating, wouldn't claiming his results that I didn't go anywhere be risky as hell?

Muerrto · Post Post #785 (isolation #94) » Sat May 03, 2008 12:56 pm

I also said I won't and can't go into full details because it involves my role. You won't get any more than that. If you disbelieve Andy then you disbelieve me and you're saying we just happen to apparently know each other which means we'd have to be in the same cult already and one the recruiter and one recruited and had to set all this up night 0...

Muerrto · Post Post #788 (isolation #95) » Sat May 03, 2008 12:58 pm

Xtoxm wrote:
Andy is cleared, the chances he'd target me and cause this fiasco are literally 1 in 24(since he wouldn't track himself) and I'm confident he's cleared.
How is he cleared?

By my role. Period. If it didn't cause a hubub then BM would've been just like no you're wrong. BESIDES, my point is why would you keep pushing a claimed power role when there's 4 recruiters alive? Especially sooo agressively.

Muerrto · Post Post #790 (isolation #96) » Sat May 03, 2008 12:59 pm

Xtoxm wrote:
Muerrto wrote:I also said I won't and can't go into full details because it involves my role. You won't get any more than that. If you disbelieve Andy then you disbelieve me and you're saying we just happen to apparently know each other which means we'd have to be in the same cult already and one the recruiter and one recruited and had to set all this up night 0...
No that's not what I believe at all.

You originally expressed doubt on Andy, and he looks a lot like scum to me.

Why are you now saying he's cleared?

Because of my role and his claim, period. It clears him

for me

. Is that better sounding?

Muerrto · Post Post #792 (isolation #97) » Sat May 03, 2008 1:02 pm

So we'll kill him tomorrow, he's recruitable according to his claim anyway so we pretty much have to eventually. Maybe he'll track someone and give us some info.

Muerrto · Post Post #796 (isolation #98) » Sat May 03, 2008 1:48 pm

Lol so we'll all go on a different lynch, hit deadline, and miss the last 2 lynches.

@Armlx: Shrug, I'll lynch Farside if you'll lynch Xtomx

Muerrto · Post Post #808 (isolation #99) » Sat May 03, 2008 2:33 pm

I'd prefer Xtomx first just since it doesn't matter and his agressive posting lately while under heat is in contrast to his posting earlier in the game. His insistence on lynching Andy even after the claim was odd as well.

PS. If the town wants details about the validity of the claim I'll fill you in tomorrow. Still bad for the town but better than lynching a tracker.

Muerrto · Post Post #816 (isolation #100) » Sun May 04, 2008 7:25 am

3 days till deadline and 2 lynches =p

Mod: Can we get a 2 day extension maybe? 1 for the tracker thing and 1 for the locked thread =)

Pretty please!

Muerrto · Post Post #822 (isolation #101) » Sun May 04, 2008 9:40 am

Sunday, probably not.

Muerrto · Post Post #833 (isolation #102) » Mon May 05, 2008 7:54 am

Are we really only hitting power roles?! Geez...

Unvote

Mod: Have the people that have been prodded responded? Roland hasn't posted for weeks =p

Muerrto · Post Post #835 (isolation #103) » Mon May 05, 2008 8:51 am

Yeah but with a strict deadline and Roland not posting or being replaced etc. Has he even been prodded?

Muerrto · Mon May 05, 2008 10:14 am

lol oops sorry

Muerrto · Mon May 05, 2008 11:54 am

Shrug we are very very short on time.

Vote: Ooba

Muerrto · Post Post #843 (isolation #106) » Mon May 05, 2008 1:08 pm

Yeah. Still don't like the false claiming SK is a cult leader idea. Pretty out there. Starting to dislike the buddying hehe but I'm getting it from alot of people not just you so I guess I either seem town or naieve.

Either way, yeah Kabenon's defense to my vote was weak at best.

Muerrto · Post Post #845 (isolation #107) » Mon May 05, 2008 1:21 pm

Jumping on Ooba? I suppose. Most everyone is jumping wagons though. Can't call that really scummy.

Are we the only ones who check the thread constantly? lol

Muerrto · Post Post #847 (isolation #108) » Mon May 05, 2008 1:38 pm

True. So did Elvis but he claimed. Not sure where everyone went lately, not alot of posting. Cult laying low to waste the next 2 lynches?

Muerrto · Post Post #849 (isolation #109) » Mon May 05, 2008 3:40 pm

Showing up when called out w/votes?

Muerrto · Post Post #854 (isolation #110) » Mon May 05, 2008 6:54 pm

ooba wrote:
Muerrto wrote:Showing up when called out w/votes?
Self preservation does not point to an anti town role. Pro town players should also fight for not being lynched.

This has nothing to do with self preservartion. Showing up when you're voted means you are watching the thread and responding when you HAVE to. Or it's just coincidence and u just happened to show up.

Vote confirmed.

Muerrto · Post Post #868 (isolation #111) » Tue May 06, 2008 5:41 am

No, we voted you to kill you. I don't want to vote out the claims because then the cult know who to go after.

Also, people DO NOT say if you're recruitable or not, please. I mean come on.

But yeah, Ooba's watching the thread and lurking.

Not liking Korlash either. Missing for 2 weeks, pops in w/1 liner then responds again w/one. Definitely watching the thread, why no comments? Why is your vote still on Armlx? All you're doing is hurting our ability to lynch before deadline which is NOT pro-town.

Muerrto · Post Post #883 (isolation #112) » Tue May 06, 2008 3:25 pm

Plus, we have a strict deadline. Can someone hammer?

Muerrto · Post Post #908 (isolation #113) » Wed May 07, 2008 5:19 am

Where the hell is everyone? We need a hammer AND another lynch in the next approx 24 hours...

We need some more active players.

Small note: DGB was massively active at first and hasn't posted in days...

There are others that fit that bill as well.

Muerrto · Post Post #912 (isolation #114) » Wed May 07, 2008 7:06 am

I'd rather kill Kabenon next.

I also don't like that Ergo is so against Ooba's lynch that he's posted but not voted. Wasting our lynch and leaving a recruitable townie alive is better than lynching a possible vanilla? I think not. Same goes for Korlash.

Muerrto · Wed May 07, 2008 10:26 am

I dislike Lowell's hammer after not being around for a week and still having his vote on Andy.

I didn't personally like Kabenon's 'Wayne's a cult leader false claiming SK' gambit and his general lurking etc

However, like I said in my last post, DGB was definitely the most vocal at the beginning and has now vanished. Anyone know why(like personal reasons etc) or should we lynch her instead?

Muerrto · Post Post #943 (isolation #116) » Wed May 07, 2008 4:07 pm

Korlash wrote:Oh right, and I think you, Elvis, and Muerrto all need to be lynched tomorrow. But We'll see how that goes.

QFT thank you.

But for now we lynch the current cult. Am I 100% sure of Kabenon? No. But we have to have a lynch before deadline.

Vote: Kabenon

Muerrto · Post Post #956 (isolation #117) » Sun May 11, 2008 1:02 pm

Ok, so I wanna see Andy dead by the end of the day but kind of pointless to do it first. I still wanna know how the hell no one ever replied to my repeated comments about DGB completely DISSAPPEARING from the active posting earlier in the day.

DGB?

Lowell tried to buddy up to me earlier in the day but jumped alot of wagons without any explanation and I didn't like that either.

Korlash lurked alot then came back strong with alot of theory, not sure what to make of that.

Ergo seemed all too willing to follow whatever lynch was laid in front of him but his other content oriented posts

seemed

town.

Anyone else?

Muerrto · Post Post #958 (isolation #118) » Sun May 11, 2008 1:27 pm

Kison wrote:Well Muerrto, to be fair I ALSO disappeared simply because the insane rate of posting in this game has made it impossible for me to keep up. So I recommend you folks tone it down a bit, because I _still_ have not caught up.

With 6 deaths in 2 weeks toning it down might not be the best idea.

Muerrto · Post Post #959 (isolation #119) » Sun May 11, 2008 1:27 pm

Kison wrote:Well Muerrto, to be fair I ALSO disappeared simply because the insane rate of posting in this game has made it impossible for me to keep up. So I recommend you folks tone it down a bit, because I _still_ have not caught up.

We have 2 weeks for 6 deaths so toning it down might not be the best idea.

Muerrto · Post Post #960 (isolation #120) » Sun May 11, 2008 1:27 pm

stupid dbl screen open...

Muerrto · Post Post #962 (isolation #121) » Sun May 11, 2008 1:32 pm

Btw I have to know where your avatar is from Kison it's buggin the crap out of me.

Muerrto · Post Post #965 (isolation #122) » Sun May 11, 2008 1:43 pm

armlx wrote:Korlash seemed really odd to me with that whole directing all the CL's thing yesterday.

I definitely think Erg0 is town though. When he has talked, he has been very productive.

As per the first.

Vote Korlash
.

What do you think about DGB? Lowell?

Muerrto · Post Post #967 (isolation #123) » Sun May 11, 2008 1:49 pm

Lol I meant DGB's play in this game. I don't know most of you guys cause I prefer newbie games to crazy games most times.

Muerrto · Post Post #970 (isolation #124) » Sun May 11, 2008 1:58 pm

Lol I need to play in more crazy games it seems

Muerrto · Post Post #971 (isolation #125) » Sun May 11, 2008 1:59 pm

Kison wrote:Muerrto, that little guy was something I snagged from someone on another forum many years back. I added the explosion when some folks complained that it was boring in its previous form.

Crap. I recognise the dude. I wanna say the Magi Nation game but maybe some final fantasy thing who knows.

Muerrto · Post Post #973 (isolation #126) » Sun May 11, 2008 2:18 pm

armlx wrote:Actually, this is making a lot more sense now. DGB and Korlash teaming up on the crusade vs. me, I can see one recruiting the other easily. Its just an issue of who is the puppet and who is the master.

Shrug kill em both. I'm quite confident atm that you're town.(or really good scum). I'd rather kill Lowell before any of them tho myself.

Muerrto · Post Post #975 (isolation #127) » Sun May 11, 2008 2:27 pm

Coming in and quickly hinting he's still town makes me

Vote: Lowell

after his play yesterday.

Muerrto · Post Post #979 (isolation #128) » Sun May 11, 2008 2:40 pm

Um if you're another suicidal please don't...

Muerrto · Post Post #981 (isolation #129) » Sun May 11, 2008 2:49 pm

Hmm...takes 9 to kill so maybe don't claim yet but I don't like the foreshadowing.

Muerrto · Post Post #983 (isolation #130) » Sun May 11, 2008 2:56 pm

True, assuming he's town and wants us to hurry up and get the other 4 lynches.

Muerrto · Mon May 12, 2008 10:53 am

Lowell wrote:
unvote, vote pooky
. DR's post is a breath of fresh air.

Um.. he called for your lynch and told you to stop WIFOM'ing and claim so he's a 'breath of fresh air' and you bandwagon his vote?

CONFIRM Vote: Lowell

Muerrto · Mon May 12, 2008 11:37 am

Personally I hate meta and I've played with very few of you save Ergo multiple times.

But Lowell's play this game, especially his latest post, has been bad.

That's why he's got my vote.

Muerrto · Mon May 12, 2008 11:42 am

I like that logic and would definitely kill Korlash next but since the wagon on Lowell is larger I request you transfer your vote for now.

Muerrto · Mon May 12, 2008 12:29 pm

I'm not okay with voting you because of your theories. I'm okay with voting you because you lurked most of the game and then once you got called out you showed up w/a passion posting constantly.

I'm always suspect of people that change their playing style mid game.

Muerrto · Mon May 12, 2008 1:39 pm

The problem w/cops is they're unreliable. I like Ergo atm but Xtomx's result means he's not in either of 2 of the cults. How does that help? It makes you

less

likely to be in a cult but not much less. Are cops even really all that useful in this kind of game?

Now Andy, I really wanna know what he found out.

Muerrto · Mon May 12, 2008 3:02 pm

Hm...I can honestly say there's no way I can confirm that but if you're telling the truth, don't tomorrow night.

Unvote

for now.

Muerrto · Mon May 12, 2008 3:09 pm

Not in this case...I can't elaborate further...

Muerrto · Mon May 12, 2008 3:22 pm

I like the claim. Sounds reasonable considering day 1 and explains his 'poetic justice' comment.

Vote: Pooky

He's lurked for too long. So has DGB but everyone seems to think DGB is okay *shrug*

Muerrto · Mon May 12, 2008 3:27 pm

Lowell wrote:It's basically a roleblocker. Ask Muerrto if he was able to convert anyone last night, that should clear it up.

Lol

I had to hit mute on the phone(I'm at work) when I read this.

Muerrto · Mon May 12, 2008 3:30 pm

Sadly no.

Muerrto · Mon May 12, 2008 3:31 pm

I tried to recruit CKD because I felt bad for him but it didn't work

Muerrto · Mon May 12, 2008 3:47 pm

Doesn't a bodyguard guard his target and keep him from being targetted but also stop him from doing anything?

Wait...isn't that about the same thing as jailkeeper?

Do we really have 3 role blockers???

Hm....

Muerrto · Mon May 12, 2008 3:59 pm

I don't play enough games with funky roles hehe

I'd hate to lynch him if he's telling the truth tho.

Scenario: He's unrecruitable, he protects A. Cult recruits A. Cult gets jack.

Very powerful role. Assuming he's unrecruitable.

But it does make jailkeeper and plain roleblocker less likely. Especially the plain blocker.

But then again the blocking part of the body guard is kinda weird.

Where's Andy?

Muerrto · Mon May 12, 2008 7:20 pm

Sigh I could vote Lowell if ENOUGH people thought so because that'd mean I had the actual TOWN behind me. But no, I can't verify whether he did or did not target me last night.

Don't make me claim. It sounded as if people were starting to suspect me. Move elsewhere. Period.

Muerrto · Wed May 14, 2008 8:22 am

If Lowell's recruitable and he protects someone then he gets recruited right?

So you guys are thinking he got recruited. Possible, but only if HE was recruited.

If I was recruited he was not recruited. Wow, that even makes my head spin but read that for exactly what it is. Just because he protected me does not make him more likely to have been recruited.

Now being recruitable and announcing it makes him have to die today anyway...

Unvote, Vote: Lowell

Sorry, but you yourself should agree with that if you're town.

Muerrto · Thu May 15, 2008 8:15 am

Can we please hit at least 1 scum before the whole town dies? lol

Vote: Korlash

reasons stated earlier yadda yadda

Muerrto · Thu May 15, 2008 8:51 am

Lol *whip sound* harsh mod

Muerrto · Thu May 15, 2008 11:33 am

Can we get a claim and a quick 2 more votes?

I agree, Lowell's death took waaay too long.

Muerrto · Thu May 15, 2008 12:19 pm

Awww I thought I was the most important one =(

Actually, I still think I am *shrug*

How bout you try making some input?

Muerrto · Thu May 15, 2008 1:08 pm

Um..

I'm quite sure my play's been town in every sense of the word. Trying to bring suspiscion on me before you die is weak at best and an appeal to emotion at worst.

So is 'lynch me'.

2 more votes people.

Muerrto · Thu May 15, 2008 1:20 pm

Shrug I can't speak for Armlx or Ergo but calling out both as well in that same post makes it look like you're simply trying to call out the most vocal ones. Kind of last minute for that.

If you're gonna die anyway, why wouldn't you elaborate as to your role?

Muerrto · Thu May 15, 2008 1:21 pm

Can't think of one?

Muerrto · Thu May 15, 2008 1:34 pm

Why would you be a plain vanilla who just can't be recruited? What's your title? Stubborn?

Muerrto · Thu May 15, 2008 1:46 pm

Um...Xtomx claimed cop...and you just called for his lynch...

Can we lynch Korlash now please?

Muerrto · Thu May 15, 2008 2:06 pm

Korlash wrote:And if thats the case replace him with mneme or something...

Soo...how exactly is your method better if you're just picking names randomly since you picked a cop and replaced him with someone else?

And if you're paying attention, how'd you pick a cop?

Muerrto · Thu May 15, 2008 2:08 pm

Oh, and if they grow up to be Muerrto's I'd kill them myself.

There can be only ONE!

Muerrto · Thu May 15, 2008 2:23 pm

armlx wrote:Yeah, how about you do claim, see if we believe you, and if not oh well, rather then just saying POWER ROLE DONT LYNCH and hoping we believe you. If you really were pro-town, you would claim now as reducing the chance of a mislynch is the right play ALWAYS in this scenario. Not claiming well pressured at L-2 with a growing wagon, especially with a time limit, is only done by people playing horridly or scum.

QFT

And delaying the lynch is just as anti-town.

Muerrto · Thu May 15, 2008 3:13 pm

Um...the inventor killed himself, the Vig was our very first kill of the game and he killed the cop with his action...

The only power role we've killed was Lowell the bodyguard. Andy's still walking around, and Elvis, Mac...

What's your case again?

Muerrto · Thu May 15, 2008 3:25 pm

Shrug might be a dumb reason but Lowell's claim was poor at best so it made sense to lynch him.

But as I said before, Andy's still alive and recruitable.

Muerrto · Thu May 15, 2008 3:35 pm

But we barely got the last lynch before deadline. Had we slowed we'd have hurt the town's chances even more.

Muerrto · Thu May 15, 2008 3:44 pm

This is a very different game, an experiment if you will. I don't think anyone thinks they have the end all be all method to winning it. It's very fast paced with a strict deadline, tons of different roles, and FOUR scum teams.

But refusing to claim when you're near dying ANYWAY is anti-town. Delaying your lynch when we have a strict deadline is anti-town. Throwing out lists of random people to lynch, one of them being a COP, is anti-town.

Why are we to believe you're not anti-town when your actions say otherwise?

Muerrto · Thu May 15, 2008 4:00 pm

Well, Armlx wouldn't have forgone recruiting last night for some crazy reason so Andy tracking him means either:

Andy's lying and he's cult.

Andy's lying and they're both in the same cult.

Andy's a tracker and Armlx is either a townie or a recruit.

Since he's recruitable(and I don't care if that's a bad argument) I still wanna see Andy die today because of the first 2 possibilities. If he's cult I'll re-evaluate Armlx but for now they both seem legit.

I don't like Pooky's semi claim at all.

Muerrto · Thu May 15, 2008 4:48 pm

DR replaced Roland and I didn't like Roland's lurking but since he was replaced I'm not sure.

I greatly dislike Pooky's 'I'm really important don't lynch me' comment.

Vote: Pooky

Please refrain from voting in twilight. This vote won't count.

-dahill1

Muerrto · Thu May 15, 2008 4:52 pm

Lol I echoed it and I know I'm right so therefore I suspect Pooky. How exactly does that not work?

Now do YOU know? Of course not you don't have my PM.

Muerrto · Thu May 15, 2008 5:18 pm

Because someone can look at my posts and interactions and decipher most of my role. Saying 'I'm important don't lynch me' after lurking all game and never adding input except to join a couple wagons is a bit different, no?

Muerrto · Thu May 15, 2008 5:35 pm

Lol yeah well most games have ONE lynch per day and ONE scum team...

Muerrto · Thu May 15, 2008 9:14 pm

And you've helped how?

Muerrto · Fri May 16, 2008 8:54 am

Sigh...we really do suck at scum hunting so far.

Or maybe we're good at scum hunting and bad at cult hunting?

Vote: Cavebear

because blaming others for mislynches is a good scum tactic and naming 3 people who most of the town consider town is pretty bad.

Muerrto · Fri May 16, 2008 1:10 pm

Um...Andy pretty much confirmed me and vice versa. So what possible reason would you have for voting me other than OMGUS? How is that helping the town?

Why, even if you disagree obviously with our current vote, wouldn't you vote for someone else off your own list rather than pretty much confirmed townies?

Mac summed it up perfectly. Through posts and interaction myself, Mac, Andy, Armlx, Xtomx are pretty much cofirmed. If DGB's a CR his cult is weak because of night 0 being blocked. Farside and Ergo could be cult but not fire/ice so they're less likely.

How can you not determine then that MOST of the cult is showing up in those left over? Despite being upset at being the lynch right now, why would you place your vote in such an obvious anti-town position?

Muerrto · Fri May 16, 2008 2:30 pm

Doesn't matter if we go Cave then Mneme or vice versa is what he's saying.

Muerrto · Fri May 16, 2008 2:39 pm

You guys type too fast lol

Muerrto · Fri May 16, 2008 2:41 pm

Drunk posting ftw!

Muerrto · Fri May 16, 2008 2:42 pm

Only 2 more for Cave btw, claim?

Muerrto · Fri May 16, 2008 2:54 pm

Cavebear with a toothache wrote:Ah. Hmm. Actually forgot about Andy tracking Muerrto night 0. Guess that was a bit hasty, then. Sorry, Muerrto. This whole situation is a bit infuriating, and getting voted for trying to change the recipe didn't help.

Unvote.

Macavenger; I did explain my stand on recruitability, though. I guess I can explain a bit further by semi-claiming, since I'm at L-2, anyway...
I'm a recruitable town role that I can't reveal. Or rather; I can reveal it, but if I did, I'd lose it and revert to being a townie. I can't really give any hints either, because if someone guesses it correctly, I lose the ability. Anyway, the point is that, as I said, I think the number of unrecruitable roles are very limited, especially given Lowell's and Andy's claims.

Sigh...I hate it when people sound too sincere. Maybe I'm a sucker but realising he was voting me and unvoting sounded it. Scum would've tried to back up their claim me thinks. Perhaps not, who knows.

Unvote, Vote: Kison

I'd rather take out one of the others on the list first.

Your claim is weird though. This is also wasting precious time.

Muerrto · Fri May 16, 2008 3:10 pm

armlx wrote:Woah, wait, you just believe him when he more or less cops out of claiming?

No, I said let's lynch someone else first and I unvoted him because I believed his sincerity in unvoting me.

You're starting to worry me however...

Muerrto · Fri May 16, 2008 3:16 pm

I'd rather hit Kison than Nmeme but splitting our forces will slow the lynches.

Unvote, Vote: Nmeme

Muerrto · Fri May 16, 2008 3:21 pm

armlx wrote:
Cavebear with a toothache wrote:
armlx wrote:Random roles that lose their power for claiming are beyond the realm of possibility in even theme games.
You've really got it in for me, haven't you? I can assure you, my role is very much within the realm of possibility. The pm is very much within my mailbox, for that matter. Pity I can't show it to you.
No, no remotely competent mod, let alone BM, would put that role in any game. Random chance roles are terribad, the role ability (delayed supersaint) is completely dumb, and the fact that you lose the ability when you claim is absolutely unacceptable from a mod stand point. Sounds like you are trying to claim vanilla without doing so.

So lets lynch 3 more people and come back to Cave?

He's vanilla now if he's telling the truth so it doesn't matter but his unvote wasn't necessary and sounded sincere so I'm convinced for now.

We need your vote as there are very few vocal players atm.

@Cave: Didn't you suspect Nmeme? Where's your vote at?

Muerrto · Fri May 16, 2008 3:22 pm

Ignore that last part lol

Muerrto · Fri May 16, 2008 3:25 pm

Xtoxm wrote:I worded that post badly but I think the point comes across...

No, I agree. Saying 'the mod wouldn't do that' is usually wrong.

Muerrto · Fri May 16, 2008 3:50 pm

armlx wrote:Muerrto: I can live with a mneme now, cavebear later compromise so long as you admit this claim is BS and he should die.

Well, like I said I'm not versed in these crazy roles/games. I stick to the newbie ones usually, teaching's in my blood.

What I liked was his unvote when I called him on it. He didn't have to, he could've pressed the issue(he's the most vocal, he didn't really claim, he keeps getting us killed etc) but when he thought about Andy's claim and that mess the other day he backed off and unvoted(even apologised) because he saw it was unlikely I'm not town.

Now he could be a really good actor but that part just didn't seem like acting to me.

Of course one thing we have to realise right now is that the recruiters don't really WANT to hit townies right now. They want to hit other recruiters. And every recruiter we hit makes the other ones more powerful.

So Cavebear backing off doesn't

have

to be legit. Neither does others joining in these wagons unless it's their own wagon. I could even see a recruiter throwing a recruit under the bus if it means clearing himself especially once we get 1-2 recruiters lynched.

In short, this is one #$%ed up game!

Muerrto · Fri May 16, 2008 3:50 pm

In retrospect that post was really helpful to the cults...

I'll just stick to quick 1 liner votes me thinks.

Muerrto · Fri May 16, 2008 3:54 pm

I told you teaching was in my blood! =O

Muerrto · Fri May 16, 2008 4:01 pm

Well, the cults only win if they outnumber everyone else, right? And the town never grows, only shrinks, but the cults grow. So every time we hit a recruiter it makes it easier for the other cults to recruit. Also when we get people to claim it makes it easier. So every recruiter down makes the other cults stronger. So by the time we hit 2 recruiters, the 2 left will be dangerous as hell. When we've hit 3(if we hit 3) that last recruiter will be unchallenged. It'll be a race to find him before he takes over the town.

Muerrto · Sat May 17, 2008 6:40 am

Cavebear with a toothache wrote:I mean, what's the alternative? Are you implying that somehow the town are better off trying not to lynch the recruiters as that would make some cults stronger than others? The cults as a whole are weakened more by a dead recruiter than a dead recruit, aren't they?

Not sure I ever listed or even insinuated an alternative. Was speculating about how hard it is now to find the recruiters and about how with each one we kill the others grow stronger so it'll be even harder. Plus we'll have less recruiters to find so it'll be even harder etc.

I'm also not sure I remember saying that killing recruiters would be bad in any way...

Your sincerity has waned...

Unvote, Vote: Cavebear

I'm more inclined to believe Nmeme's town claim than Cave's.

Muerrto · Sat May 17, 2008 6:56 am

Still rather hit Cave first then Nmeme just in case.

Muerrto · Sat May 17, 2008 7:01 am

And if Nmeme's vanilla?

Muerrto · Sat May 17, 2008 7:35 am

Sigh I guess deadline > vanilla

Unvote, Vote: Nmeme

Muerrto · Sat May 17, 2008 7:36 am

5 by my count

Muerrto · Sat May 17, 2008 7:36 am

6 now

Muerrto · Sat May 17, 2008 9:15 am

I know it's saturday but can we get some more participation here people?

I'm starting to think we need to lynch everyone not participating because it's obviously in the cults favor to NOT lynch so many people.

DGB has posted in a ton of games over the past week and only once here, 1 line asking how many votes, no vote added etc.

Farside, same thing.

Kison, same thing.

Pooky, same thing.

Elvis, same thing.

Ergo's not quite so bad and he's modding a few games so I'm not quite so suspect of him.

Plus Farside and Ergo have been found to not be fire/ice so I'd say hit them last.

Elvis has a claim currently so *shrug*

The other 5 have no excuse whatsoever, especially with the fast pace of this game, to lurk and post once a week or so, usually with no content.

Muerrto · Sat May 17, 2008 9:22 am

Just to elaborate.

DGB hasn't placed a vote since Jedi...

Pooky's posted 7 times this game, with no content, and in one of them chewed people out for 'joking around' and 'lurker hunting'.

Oh, and Elvis claimed blocking Cave last night so Cave's in the same situation as DGB if he's a recruiter, his cult is weak.

Muerrto · Sat May 17, 2008 9:32 am

Which 3? Pooky, DGB, and...

Also, is that just meta and playing with them before? Because like I said, DGB is definitely not lurking in her other games. She's actively participating.

Muerrto · Sat May 17, 2008 9:41 am

Yeah, I agree. Elvis has a claim, Ergo and Farside have been half cleared.

But Cave's in the DGB situation, his cult is weak, so I'd rather hit Kison or Pooky first. Probably Kison since he's joined in the wagons but for the most part hasn't really contributed to the content.

Muerrto · Sat May 17, 2008 9:41 am

-2 by my count, no?

Muerrto · Sat May 17, 2008 9:45 am

Elvis claimed he blocked him. Caught it when I re-read him.

Muerrto · Sat May 17, 2008 10:00 am

DR replaced Roland who was either lurking or not playing. DR's participation so far has been pretty good tho. Slowing down the game is dangerous but granted, the speed lynching has been failing badly.

I re-read him too and I'm not enthralled by lynching him atm.

Much rather see Kison and DGB go first. No vote since Jedi?? C'mon.

Muerrto · Sat May 17, 2008 11:35 am

Kison wrote:I realize there is a Mneme wagon. However, I do not think he is a good lynch prospect right now, at all. Please get the frak off his wagon. Thanks!

Muerrto, I have voted since Jedi. I believe my vote was on Pooky before I swapped right here. Not sure who it was on before that. However, like I said before, this game is moving insanely quickly. Less novel posts, please.

Like I said, Cavebear > Mneme. Please get off him.

Was saying DGB hadn't voted since Jedi. Hm...Masons?

He seems pretty damn sure of himself.

Hate to force a claim but uhhh didn't expect Masons in a cult game...

Muerrto · Sat May 17, 2008 12:14 pm

Actually Mneme claimed 'townie', wouldn't say whether he was recruitable or not, said someone would assume he is/isn't, etc.

I'd assume vanilla's would have to be recruitable so I don't like him saying he's townie(referring to Cave's claim) and saying he won't claim recruitable or not. Seems obvious if he's vanilla.

And Kison backing him up that strongly? Hm...not if he's vanilla. BUT if they're Mason's Kison could've grabbed Mneme and that'd make him vanilla but not. And on second thought, Masons in a cult game would make sense, so the town can team up too against the 4 cults.

Hm...

Anyone else's opinions?

I think we might need a full claim.

Muerrto · Sat May 17, 2008 12:19 pm

Ok...if Kison's not certain, just saying it anyway, then um...I'm confused.

In a game with 4 cults and all 4 still alive, how the hell would you feel comfortable defending someone if you're not certain?

I find it hard to believe you guys would be culted together and try this gambit but I can't think of another reason to defend someone in a FOUR cult game if you're not sure...

Can you try and explain a little better?