Lynch the Wolves (Game Over)

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2571 (isolation #0) » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:04 pm

yo

probably not going to read the entire thread (maybe just the last 5 or so pages but after that i'm MAGUAing) though if someone wants to give me a rundown of key events and/or point me to something specific they want me to comment on, i'll take a look at that and maybe get back to you after i

pretend to

read it

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2578 (isolation #1) » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:53 pm

ok

skimmed through recent pages, here's what i'm guessing is happening:

RC probably

is

a tracker ("detective") but i don't think he actually targeted mathblade last night - he's probably just faking a guilty because he's arrogant enough to think he's right (and i think he's ready to be lynched now because he's actually going to flip what he claimed, ergo incriminating mathblade, even though i don't really believe he tracked mathblade)

but... mathblade might still be scum playing off this because he knows RC is bullshitting (i'm thinking mathblade really didn't submit the scum kill here so he knows that RC couldn't have tracked him to A50). and i think he sees this as a good opportunity to get rid of a thorn in his side while not having to tell any lies about what occurred (because, well, he knows RC is lying in this scenario)

it's possible mathblade is town i guess, but the stuff with the normalcy of role names (lol. also, really, i don't see why RC even brings up the "detective" thing if it isn't actually a his role name) and the fact he's not giving any serious consideration to what seems to me like the most obvious scenario here (RC lying but still town - he's mentioned this but hasn't really considered it IMO) makes me think it's more likely mathblade is scum than town

anywho, this was my initial impression from recent pages

might come back to it later when i'm not busy and give it a proper read through

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2583 (isolation #2) » Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:36 pm

In post 2581, MathBlade wrote:I am scum for telling the truth?

nah, i think the way you're handling RC looks more like scum than town - it has nothing to do with whether or not you're telling the truth (you probably are about the track stuff, regardless of your alignment)

e.g. it looked like you were playing dumb with the detective thing and i think you've too easily dismissed the notion that RC could be town who's fake-claiming here. oh and my first thought on reading 2541 was that you're setting up for a town flip that you want to happen but without being held responsible

the impression i got is that you want the RC flip to happen (without really caring about figuring out his alignment) and you're doing what you can to make it happen, but in such a way that you can say, "well obviously he was lying - just ask the people in my hood! i just don't get it!" or something like that after it happens

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2588 (isolation #3) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:00 am

@mathblade

who do you think is scum apart from RC and why?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2589 (isolation #4) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:04 am

@anyone who feels like talking: humour me and pretend there are people in the game who aren't named RC or mathblade (i know, shocking concept to ask you to consider). which of them are scum and why?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2592 (isolation #5) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:15 am

In post 2590, Ankamius wrote:The way I'm reading the game, probably the entire scumteam is outside those two

why's mathblade town? and who do you think is actually scum?

In post 2591, HeWhoSwims wrote:But now you're cheeky soooo

rude

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2595 (isolation #6) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:31 am

from what ive seen, vecna is town

anything specific from projectmatt that's in reference to? ill have a look at it later

sleep time now

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2612 (isolation #7) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:53 pm

looking at how D2 started, i dont really think hebi is scum (or at least i dont see hebi as the type of player whod come out with a play like that as scum at the start of the day) - that's the kind of thing that will sort itself out anyway

In post 2608, MathBlade wrote:My guess is projectmatt and someone active

why projectmatt and why someone 'active'?

In post 2608, MathBlade wrote:My guess is Keychain is town for the replacing out

why wouldn't keychain replace out as scum?

In post 2608, MathBlade wrote:I really think Gamma and Aronis are town though based on the hood and here

what specifically have they done that's town?

don't really believe that RC's push on you has been the reason you can't form reads (even if it did take up a decent chunk of your time)

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2613 (isolation #8) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:13 pm

In post 2552, RadiantCowbells wrote:Maybe the nightkill overrides his participation in the hood? My result was that math targeted a50 and only a50. It's also conceivable that the hood doesn't exist at all but I don't buy that.

I'm avoiding engaging with it because it's pointless to engage with at this time.

We've agreed to Lynch math and vig me if he flips town, that's the correct play here and it's what we're doing. And if I wanted to hostile takeover the hood I would have someone else claim the guilty and I would have had it done at start of day.

hey RC

if you are fake-claiming (i'm guessing this is the case), can you stop being a tool and just play the game normally? because i'd rather you just come out and say "ok ok, i didn't actually track him to a50, i just

really

think he's scum

and i'm an arrogant wanker

"

tia

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2721 (isolation #9) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:47 am

i think RC was trying to tell us something on the last page but his posts are so ambiguous that i can't be sure what specifically he was trying to get across

zMuffinMan · Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:50 am

In post 2704, RadiantCowbells wrote:most of the people in this game who are worth playing with replaced out, so.

gee, i can't see anything that might have happened in this game that would cause people to want to replace out

that's strange

zMuffinMan · Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:55 am

In post 2745, RadiantCowbells wrote:What do you advocate then, zmuffinman

that I -don't- lynch scum and lose and don't play my win condition?

if you think the only way you can get someone lynched is by spamming a page with large, bold all-caps text, i'm thinking you've probably gone wrong somewhere

by the way, in no uncertain terms with no take-backsies, can you state (1) whether or not you really did target mathblade last night, and (2) exactly what mastina gave as a result, as close to the wording as possible without being mod-killed

tia

zMuffinMan · Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:57 am

In post 2749, Nosferatu wrote:how could this have happened?

oh

i thought ankamius was replacing out because mastina didn't post a vote count but now that you mention it, the RC posts make more sense as a reason

hmm, yeah, it's almost like those posts by RC weren't an effective way to get someone lynched

really strange

zMuffinMan · Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:09 am

In post 2753, Nosferatu wrote:my question is how the fuck is it so hard to lynch either of them

like people should either believe the guilty or not

tbh, i still think there's a decent chance RC is fake-claiming, but i don't think that makes him scum - i think he's just doubling down here because he's arrogant and upset that people aren't listening to him

i think his frustration seems pretty genuine (albeit making the game unplayable) and i think he genuinely believes mathblade is scum

i thought mathblade might be scum regardless. i'm currently less certain about mathblade being scum though (and imagining RC's reaction to reading me say this gives me no small amount of amusement)

zMuffinMan · Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:47 am

who do you actually think is scum apart from mathblade, RC?

zMuffinMan · Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:34 pm

Unvote

zMuffinMan · Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:04 pm

i'd prefer waiting for replacements before ending the day today tbh

-----
MathBlade - 7 (zMuffinMan, Nosferatu, NicoRobin, RadiantCowbells, Creature, hebichan, ArcAngel9)
Theta Alpine - 2 (projectmatt, MathBlade)
RadiantCowbells - 1 (Gamma Emerald)
NicoRobin - 1 (Theta Alpine)
Gamma Emerald - 1 (Keychain)
Keychain - 1 (HeWhoSwims)
hebichan - 1 (Ankamius)

Not Voting - 1 (Vecna)
-----

current before i unvoted

where's the scum here and why did the mathblade/RC conflict stall for so long prior to just recently?

(i'm currently thinking vecna town, hebi town, hewhoswims town via hebi, RC town, maybe ankamius town)

(maybe nosferatu, if mathblade is scum)

zMuffinMan · Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:11 pm

i don't actually want to have to read the whole game

@anyone: cliffsnotes on why any of {nico, creature, AA9, projectmatt, gamma, theta, keychain} are more likely to be town or scum (preferably with links or references to something specific i can look at)

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2825 (isolation #18) » Sat Jun 30, 2018 1:48 am

In post 2820, Ankamius wrote:If you say the claim is town, you get slapped.

hebi's claim doesn't make her conftown but it is a claim that pretty much sorts itself out sooner or later

i might actually start skimming through some ISOs tomorrow because this game is pretty slow atm and nobody seems to want to go into any depth when talking about reads so maguaing prob isnt a great idea

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2831 (isolation #19) » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:02 am

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2835 (isolation #20) » Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:42 am

i think cheeky was town

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2838 (isolation #21) » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:24 am

i thought people might be interested in my read there

zMuffinMan · Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:02 am

dont think keychain is scum. iso seems fine. some genuine~ish looking interactions here and there (e.g. thought the comments to and about RC were townish)

zMuffinMan · Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:12 am

theta might be scum. dont really like any of his votes and the reads and reasoning feel hollow (the vote on mathblade in particular feels off but none of his other votes have been much better). mod questions feel like a "hey guys, i'm doing stuff!" thing more than questions he thinks have meaning

zMuffinMan · Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:14 am

In post 2864, Vecna wrote:Who do you think is the scumteam Muffin?

dunno. i havent read much of the game and it's moving at a snail's pace. going through isos now

looking through the names i dont have any sort of town read on to begin with

i'll get back to you when i'm done

zMuffinMan · Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:34 am

nico is probably town because of yuurei. yuurei was just town

zMuffinMan · Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:58 am

gamma might be scum. haven't really liked the way he's been handling the RC-mathblade stuff. didn't really like his nico vote. aronis didn't do anything that looked town imo (plus i think the hammer was more likely cheeky scum thinking they could get away with it than town hammering someone they'd called "strong town" with no indication that read changed over time)

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2870 (isolation #27) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:01 am

aronis's iso is a fun read though

it's just void of any real content and the signal to noise ratio is really low

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2871 (isolation #28) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:07 am

oh yeah

there's some positive interactions between theta and aronis i noticed, but i wasn't taking notes of which posts in particular - i may go back and collect them in a single post at some point tomorrow if i remember (and can be bothered)

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2872 (isolation #29) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:17 am

don't think NSG was scum - don't really think she's capable of having as much conviction behind certain reads and posts as she did here as scum. projectmatt's posts don't really look town but there's nothing that really makes me think scum either. happy calling that slot town

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2873 (isolation #30) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:21 am

eh, i'll look through more ISOs probably sometime tomorrow. theta is probably scum though

Vote: Theta

if anyone has anything in particular they want me to elaborate on or go into more detail on, leave me questions and i'll get to it in the morning (maybe before work starts but otherwise prob some time mid morning when im

getting paid to bludge

not that busy)

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2896 (isolation #31) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:18 pm

In post 2881, HeWhoSwims wrote:What exactly are the differences between Keychain and Theta at this point?

I still lean towards Key lynch due to being on my wagon a bit.

zMuffinMan how would you respond to my critique against Cheeky

keychain has actually done some things that seem town to me, theta hasn't (ill pull up some specific quotes soon for a couple examples maybe)

i don't know what your critique against cheeky is or was. i don't really care either

zMuffinMan · Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:36 pm

we're probably not getting either replacement before the deadline so i wouldn't hold my breath but im fine with waiting 48 hours or so i guess

zMuffinMan · Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:43 pm

In post 2903, Ankamius wrote:well

There's no concentrated pushes anywhere
There's no push to get people to contribute more despite how many people aren't active
There's wagons all over the place and have been on day one
The Luna lynch was lazy as fuck

what does this signal as

cant really comment on the luna lynch but the rest of this stuff seems like more symptoms of other shit that's happened rather than scum being in a comfortable position (e.g. the RC-mathblade stuff demotivating people, multiple replacements, general inactivity, low content, lack of people trying to engage others, etc). this is the kind of will-sapping game i'm not going to look back on fondly after it's over and i expect the sentiment is the same for most people

In post 2905, Ankamius wrote:That said, can anyone point me to why they think Theta Alpine is scum?

i think his votes and reasoning are pretty bad. his stances on the RC-mathblade thingo and the reasoning (or lack thereof) for each of his votes hasn't made me feel particularly good. he gives me the impression of someone who tries to look busy (e.g. talking about intent to hammer, mod questions, etc) without actually progressing the game in any way

just don't see anything in his ISO that looks town

zMuffinMan · Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:36 pm

had a really busy day today. exhausted. will be around tomorrow

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3103 (isolation #35) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:49 am

underestimated how little time i'd have this week. work kicking my ass, will probably be around tomorrow morning (roughly 12 hours from now), realise deadline is close and have see we have replacements but dont have time to catch up on the last 10 or so pages atm. sorry

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3201 (isolation #36) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:51 pm

skimming

dont really think projectmatt is scum

still want to lynch theta

would be fine with mathblade as an alternative but really i just want to lynch theta

will do some proper reading soonish. work mostly done this morning so might have the rest of the day as a bludge day. yay me

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3202 (isolation #37) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:53 pm

what's your win condition oath (as close to the letter as possible without being modkilled)?

also, can someone in that mathblade hood tell me whose idea it was to recruit creature and why?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3205 (isolation #38) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:00 pm

not "one vampire member of the town"? just a vampire? and does your role mention town or are you just a separate non-competing faction?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3207 (isolation #39) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:03 pm

that why im asking about how the recruit was decided, yeah

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3215 (isolation #40) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:41 pm

too late in the day for it now but a race(?) mass claim should probably happen at some point in this game

i dont really understand why the theta wagon fizzled out

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3216 (isolation #41) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:57 pm

In post 2983, Oath wrote:Also if anyone feels like explaining that Theta wagon, I'm all eyes.

Edit: Oh yeah, I need an explanation and I need it ASAP

i don't know what specific reasons other people had/have for voing theta, but i don't like his voting history (not the votes themselves necessarily, just the reasoning and the way they happened and the way he acted around them), i don't like a few of the ways he's tried to do things in the game that seem more like appeals to look town than actually town-motivated (for example, going out of his way to say no one should hammer without stating intent and allowing a claim, which would be fine in a newbie game but just made me think he's trying too hard here. another example would be asking the mod questions with apparently some idea in mind, but no actual follow-up to that makes me think he was just doing it for the sake of seeming like he's game-solving) and i just think he hasn't done anything town - just don't get the feeling he's actually trying to figure anything out in this game

maybe i'll stop being lazy and start pulling up specific quotes

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3217 (isolation #42) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:24 pm

why do people have creature as a town read?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3218 (isolation #43) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:35 pm

{theta, gamma, math, creature, aa9, maybe nosferatu}

rest of the game seems town (or vampire, which i dont really care about right now since i believe it)

kinda just wanna lynch theta, see a flip, go from there

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3222 (isolation #44) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:29 am

In post 3219, Vecna wrote:Why does projectMatt seem town if I might ask Z?

i thought nsg looked town. not really sure what your issue with her play was. projectmatt hasn't really done anything that's bothered me

he's not the towniest town that ever towned but i'd much rather lynch someone who actually looks like scum

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3223 (isolation #45) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:31 am

it looks like you didn't like that NSG was prompted to play or something. i don't think that's as big an issue as you seem to think it is. her actual content looks town to me

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3335 (isolation #46) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:53 pm

ill be aroundish til the deadline but there's probably not enough time to get a lynch on anyone other than projectmatt

not entirely against a no lynch happening (though that would feel like a waste of a day phase really)

this is current i think:

projectmatt - 6 (Gamma Emerald, Vecna, MathBlade, Theta Alpine, Nosferatu, Vaxkiller)
Theta Alpine - 4 (zMuffinMan, projectmatt, ArcAngel9, hebichan)
Oath - 3 (HeWhoSwims, Titus, Creature)
MathBlade - 1 (Oath)

Not Voting - 1 (Ankamius)

DEADLINE: (expired on 2018-07-07 04:15:00)
8 to lynch

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3340 (isolation #47) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:43 pm

no i mean there's 30 minutes left at a time when not many people are around. it's virtually impossible to get another lynch to happen today

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3342 (isolation #48) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:01 pm

unless the countdown in OP is wrong, no

i don't really think youre scum but ill probably hammer you just to move the game forward

would still much rather theta but that's a pipedream at this point

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3343 (isolation #49) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:06 pm

in the (perhaps unlikely) event i die tonight, someone should probably go back and look at the wagon dynamics here (regardless of matt's flip but more so if hes town and theta is scum)

Vote: projectmatt

zMuffinMan · Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:21 pm

theta was the correct vig choice, though... him flipping town doesnt say anything about brian's alignment (regardless of who he 'vetoed')

zMuffinMan · Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:28 pm

without doing any rereading, id vote mathblade. wait til everyone checks in though

pedit: yeah but RC is probably town and oath being a vampire doesn't matter... vampires mean shit this game

zMuffinMan · Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:43 pm

In post 3363, MathBlade wrote:Scum claim neutral survivor all the time

sure. but in THIS particular game, there's good reason to assume there is at least one faction (race?) that doesn't directly count against town's win con

and i mostly believe oath's claim anyway. and i don't have an issue with brian not wanting to vig oath

In post 3363, MathBlade wrote:RC/Titus is NOT probably town after faking two guilties and being a toxic asshat

disagree

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3372 (isolation #53) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:20 pm

In post 3366, MathBlade wrote:Why? Because someone claimed it?

I claim I am a Unicorn
. That doesn’t make it true. (
I am town
)

i believe it because i believe it. *shrug*

oath claimed under virtually zero pressure and based on the particulars of it, i think it's more likely true than false. not exactly rocket surgery here. he could be scum fake-claiming but it's less likely than him just telling the truth about it and i don't think someone else believing the claim is alarming ergo your point about brian is pretty shit

as a side note, i've highlighted the part of your post i think is the truth in green and the part of your post that i think is a lie in red

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3377 (isolation #54) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:03 pm

to be clear, is the fact that brian wanted to lynch theta the only reason you think he's scum?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3378 (isolation #55) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:03 pm

shoot*

zMuffinMan · Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:27 pm

skimmed through recent pages

im a 2-shot seer, n1 cheeky targeted vecna (human) (i think i crumbed this somewhere but cbf going through iso atm, just look for something about seeing and vecna i suppose), n2 theta (in hindsight was probably not the greatest idea but i submitted it as soon as night started and forgot about this game when it was closed for a week)

fwiw, ability is called divination and wording in my role is that i receive their alignment (should my action succeed and yada yada yada). prob would have been a smart idea to target oath but meh, didn't think of that until night ended

don't have time for mafia today sorry, will make time for this over the weekend

Vote: Mathblade

creature is probably scum too

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3662 (isolation #57) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:59 am

lol

im not lying though. titus is probably doing some dumb """reaction test"""

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3664 (isolation #58) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:06 am

i dont have an issue with hebi's claim (except it probably means there's a traitor in the game). shes town anyway

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3665 (isolation #59) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:08 am

the pt cop was also probably designed to get a lot of false positives (ie the claimed neighbourhood, the neighbouriser wgo got lynched d1). it has nothing to do with my role outside of being another investigative

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3669 (isolation #60) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:43 am

creature is probably scum, hes not going to "explode" on me

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3676 (isolation #61) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:52 am

pretend i havent read recent pages in any depth ("surely that's impossible!" yes, i know, but use the power of imagination...)

point me to where you've explained what you think is town about mathblade, ankamius

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3693 (isolation #62) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:59 am

the "therefore..." doesnt follow from that, ankamius

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3727 (isolation #63) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:13 am

every time you suggest im "outed", i chuckle a bit

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3739 (isolation #64) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:20 am

creature is probably scum whos never actually going to explode on anyone and mathblade is probably scum who recruited him into that hood to influence the kill

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3756 (isolation #65) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:30 am

the scum team is probably something like mathblade, creature, nosferatu, someone im forgetting exists

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3757 (isolation #66) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:35 am

oh right, and if i do get lynched, dont let derps pivot onto hebi with "well, clearly hebi has to be the liar because they cant both be town"

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3759 (isolation #67) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:40 am

oh right

oath probably really is a vampire if creature is scum

and im not the least bit surprised that titus is voting me for what im guessing is a shit reason

anyway, sleep

zMuffinMan · Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:32 pm

i'm town

#usefulcontributions

zMuffinMan · Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:35 pm

In post 3763, Gamma Emerald wrote:why didn't you tell hebi to not peek vecna if you had a clear on him

i didn't think hebi would use her role on vecna and it wasn't a primary concern of mine to out my role D2 on the off chance she did

not my fault she wasted it

In post 3768, hebichan wrote:When asked about oath and why he believed it "I believe it cause I do."

vampire being a separate faction that wins with town makes sense in the setup and is something mastina would put in a setup - otoh, i don't think it's something oath just makes up for no reason (as well as talking about questions keychain asked the mod)

so yeah, i believe it

zMuffinMan · Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:36 pm

oh, i suppose i coulda said "dont target vecna"? but i mean, the odds she listens to me on that are slim to none and it leads to more complications than it would have been worth so...

zMuffinMan · Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:38 pm

do you actually think i'm scum, brian?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3821 (isolation #72) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:42 pm

In post 3818, Brian Skies wrote:I'm not sure what I believe anymore, Muffin.

helpful

who's scum?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3861 (isolation #73) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:51 pm

@brian

why do you think mathblade and creature can't be scum together?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3871 (isolation #74) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:29 am

i didnt counter-claim anyone

i claimed my role

derps like you think it conflicts with hebi's - it doesn't

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3872 (isolation #75) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:31 am

In post 3869, Titus wrote:But if we infer a traitor then Hebi's clears are not clears at all

so insightful

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3885 (isolation #76) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:13 pm

shes saying she gets the 1-shot revive

her "drain" ability (that she first claimed blocked active/passive abilities but now is claiming it doesn't roleblock or something) is what she is saying she used on hebi (and apparently it's meant to copy the active non-factional abilities of her target)

vague on whether or not it actually roleblocks

also realising i may have been wrong in my read on oath

zMuffinMan · Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:57 am

mathblade is probably scum
creature is probably scum
nosferatu is probably scum
AA9 might be lurker scum (and i'd actually be willing to lynch that slot just to save mastina the trouble of finding a replacement when that slot inevitably flakes)

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3930 (isolation #78) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:18 pm

dont think rc was scum. would rather just lynch one of the four names i mentioned

maybe also gamma but hood dynamics make that less likely

im mostly working off poe here. there's better reasons to think the rest of the game is town

zMuffinMan · Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:14 pm

In post 3955, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don't like the first two, and the second is major ew

who do you think is scum apart from me?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #4000 (isolation #80) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:44 pm

who actually has a town read on mathblade and why?

who actually has a town read on creature and why?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #4008 (isolation #81) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:52 pm

what's your read on creature, ankamius?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #4011 (isolation #82) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:58 pm

i thought you were reevaluating because of the revelation that the hood thing requires humans

or did that not matter for your read on math?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #4038 (isolation #83) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:58 pm

maybe titus is actually scum

zMuffinMan · Post Post #4039 (isolation #84) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:00 pm

In post 4031, Titus wrote:Then we do that by lynching zmuffin Math and Oath. I don't care which at this point. That stops the implosion.

As long as Math lives, his scum buddies will stop him from being lynched.

this last line is entirely inconsistent with your reads since both oath and i want mathblade lynched

zMuffinMan · Post Post #4040 (isolation #85) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:01 pm

which scum buddies are stopping mathblade's lynch, titus?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #4041 (isolation #86) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:09 pm

In post 4017, Ankamius wrote:Mathblade is widely scumread

yeah, see, everyone keeps saying they don't think he's town but they never actually vote him. unlike the examples from previous days where, say, projectmatt accumulated votes with ease (i'd say today with myself too, but hey, im apparently scum)

what does that tell you?

In post 4037, Ankamius wrote:I am independently town reading Mathblade.

im pretty sure youre wrong

but ok. would you vote creature?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #4042 (isolation #87) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:18 pm

pretty sure brian is town simply by virtue of yuurei

dont think his own posts have been bad either, even if he hasn't exactly been a shining paragon of town play

zMuffinMan · Post Post #4043 (isolation #88) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:38 pm

also i find it hilarious that people are doubting my claim

like unless you think it's a coincidence that i just happened to use the word "seen" in the very first town read i gave (hint: i don't usually use this word to describe things i've

read

in game) and you think vecna showing up first in my reads list was just by pure chance?

and why would i bother claiming i targeted theta over, like, just claiming 1-shot or claiming an inno on literally anyone else (including a scum buddy)? or just not claiming seer and drawing attention to myself with my shitty, mostly-irrelevant actions? or even faking a guilty on someone would have been an option

but no, i'm dumb enough to use the worst possible fake-claim i could possibly use as scum

zMuffinMan · Post Post #4044 (isolation #89) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:48 pm

in other news, you have chucklefuck creature both literally and figuratively getting away with murder in this game, showing up every couple days to write a few inane posts

and, surprise, surprise, the derp squad isn't batting an eyelid at that because oath and myself have 'high scum equity' or whatever

yeah

sure

im actually not going to be too sad if i do end up getting lynched today (im not all that invested in the game atm anyway, but the level of logic being applied here is so appalling that im kinda rooting for creature to make it to endgame and have people be like "wow, just didnt see that coming - i mean, he showed up every now and then and made a string of posts and it's hard to do that. let's nom that for don corleone or something because wow")

zMuffinMan · Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:51 am

In post 4046, Vecna wrote:who was lined up to be shot by the hood

what? no he wasn't... or at least nobody in the hood said anything like that. creature was calling theta town last i recall (which is funny because it seems like he still went along with the vig shot on a town read) while mathblade spent the entirety of yesterday calling RC-slot scum

zMuffinMan · Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:59 am

just went back and double-checked to be sure i didn't miss anything because i specifically remember thinking theta was unlikely to be targeted by them when i submitted that. gamma also said nothing about it and nothing in their posts indicated they were going to shoot him

zMuffinMan · Post Post #4129 (isolation #92) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:13 am

Vote: Creature

zMuffinMan · Post Post #4130 (isolation #93) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:17 am

i wouldnt be surprsied if there's some mechanic in place that counters hebi but i doubt it's scum having no communication altogether

zMuffinMan · Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:02 am

i think he's town fwiw

zMuffinMan · Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:04 am

titus might actually be scum for pushing lines of reasoning that go above and beyond what i'd normally expect from even titus

zMuffinMan · Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:09 am

creature is still scum hiding in plain sight, but let's continue ignoring that, shall we?

good idea

why? oh, because muffin is scum who couldn't come up with a good fake-claim. yep

the level of derp

zMuffinMan · Post Post #4198 (isolation #97) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:34 pm

In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=10347567#p10347567]post 4191[/url], The Dream Weaver wrote:Creature claimed Suicide Bomber on Muffin.

lol. i never believed creature's claim and i never thought he was going to suicide bomb on me

pretty sure i made this clear

zMuffinMan · Post Post #4200 (isolation #98) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:40 pm

In post 3669, zMuffinMan wrote:creature is probably scum, hes not going to "explode" on me

In post 3739, zMuffinMan wrote:creature is probably scum whos never actually going to explode on anyone and mathblade is probably scum who recruited him into that hood to influence the kill

oh yeah, i did

be amazed by my amazing prophetic powers

In post 4200, Brian Skies wrote:Why did you claim then?

i assumed we were mass claiming (it kind of half happened then stopped) and i didn't have any reason to be coy about it since i didn't have anything particularly useful to claim

zMuffinMan · Post Post #4201 (isolation #99) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:43 pm

(which, btw, is why i think it's hilarious that anyone would actually think i'd lie about it)

also, i thought my crumb about it was rather ingenious tbh, subtle enough that it wouldn't be a huge neon sign pointing at me but not so subtle that it would be overlooked - it's rude of you to say it wasn't good

zMuffinMan · Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:22 am

i dont understand what im supposed to be seeing in 4216

zMuffinMan · Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:34 am

In post 4234, Nosferatu wrote:hebi after oath's claim

i don't see what oath's claim has to do with hebi

zMuffinMan · Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:53 am

i mean i dont see what oath's claim has to do with suspecting hebi

zMuffinMan · Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:48 am

AA9's replacement competing with AA9 for best lurker award

apparently didn't want to be upstaged by his predecessor

zMuffinMan · Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:55 am

just need cupcake in this game to make this an all-star competition

zMuffinMan · Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:34 pm

titus's posts are making less sense than usual, even for titus

btw dont think i ever got an answer for this:

@titus

In post 4039, zMuffinMan wrote:
In post 4031, Titus wrote:Then we do that by lynching zmuffin Math and Oath. I don't care which at this point. That stops the implosion.

As long as Math lives, his scum buddies will stop him from being lynched.
this last line is entirely inconsistent with your reads since both oath and i want mathblade lynched

In post 4040, zMuffinMan wrote:which scum buddies are stopping mathblade's lynch, titus?

zMuffinMan · Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:36 pm

creature is still scum and still pushing the same line of logic. not at all surprised

i doubt a mathblade wagon is going to actually take off, but if it does i'll move back there

zMuffinMan · Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:39 pm

what points?

zMuffinMan · Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:18 pm

vecna is like double-cleared though...

and oath probably is just a vampire

zMuffinMan · Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:04 pm

not following how that makes brian scum

why does brian-scum give a shit about oath (who you think is town)?

zMuffinMan · Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:06 pm

also vecna is lit. not a wolf so unless you're going to try to argue that he's like a traitor-godfather or something, don't see where you're going with this

zMuffinMan · Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:14 pm

In post 4302, Ankamius wrote:Counter question: What do you think scum are planning to do about Oath

i dunno but having the neighbourhood shoot her prob wouldve been a good idea!

theta was technically lynchbait going into the night phase

taking out the vampire who's claiming she's 1-shot bp and leaving lynchbait around wouldve been something id have considered rather than opposing it

thus im not really following the logic

zMuffinMan · Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:01 pm

i have read your posts like 5 times now and i still dont understand what youre trying to get at with quoting oath replacing in

zMuffinMan · Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:04 pm

oh wait

im guessing youre saying that based on your other reads, oath was under no pressure to claim ergo town?

if so, ok... but i think most people voting oath are voting her because they think she's 3p or traitor or something anyway (i dont even really know anymore, there's been so much dumb stuff in this game) so youre not really gonna sway anyone who's voting her for that reason

zMuffinMan · Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:58 pm

In post 4424, Titus wrote:@Math, how do you feel about a Brian lynch? I am considering it bc we cannot get zmuffin lynched.

lol what?

why are you asking someone you're apparently scum reading whether they're fine wagoning someone else?

zMuffinMan · Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:00 pm

not really feeling the brian lynch

titus keeps looking worse and worse

Vote: Titus

zMuffinMan · Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:58 pm

someone tell me how town-titus can go from "let's lynch muffin and oath because mathblade's buddies don't wanna lynch him" (when both oath and i were the only ones voting mathblade) to "hey mathblade (who i apparently forgot i think is scum), wanna lynch some other guy?"

zMuffinMan · Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:08 pm

i thought RC looked town tbh

and im shit at reading titus because her reasoning literally never makes a shred of sense

but at least i can squint and see that her stances might make sense from her own POV when shes town. at least shes usually internally consistent even if nonsensical

and RC's play wasnt so town that im willing to give her a free ride

zMuffinMan · Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:21 pm

i think the phrasing is meant to be ambiguous about whether or not there are other vampires tbh - wouldn't be at all surprised if she's the only one

also unless you're going to claim that's a werewolf fake-claim, why does it matter?

zMuffinMan · Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:15 pm

In post 4488, Oath wrote:
In post 4482, Ankamius wrote:Brian Skies + Mathblade + Creature doesn't make any sense
Why not?

the neighbourhood

zMuffinMan · Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:06 pm

oath's posts today have been sorta off but still probably a vampire

zMuffinMan · Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:07 pm

@titus,

in one post, can you say who you think is scum and why?

zMuffinMan · Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:06 pm

In post 4611, Titus wrote:1) Zmuffin never suspected hebi
2) Zmuffin had no useful results
3) zmuffin only claimed under pressure

1. correct, so what? hebi's role is an entirely different category of investigative role than mine
2. correct, so what? is your theory that i'm scum who decided to claim no useful investigations in the hope nobody pointed this out?
3. l o l, what pressure?

now answer any of the questions i've asked you, tia

zMuffinMan · Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:05 pm

oh right, creature is scum

forgot he was in this game

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zMuffinMan · Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:53 am

In post 4683, MathBlade wrote:If you get a no result you check the same target again to see if you got the same no result.

no, not really. youd only do that if you thought they were ascetic or something

In post 4686, Titus wrote:Why Creature? Meta?

nothing to do with meta (i haven't really played that much with him, never seen his scum game outside of loosely following the recent transformer game)

combination of POE and the fact i haven't seen him do a single town thing. he's been sitting on the whole "muffin outed scum" thing all day as a way to avoid doing anything productive, which is rich because he's now saying that all i've done is call him scum (patently bullshit)

zMuffinMan · Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:56 am

In post 4705, Creature wrote:zMuffinMan

claimed 2-shot seer

on Theta and Vecna

when there's already a PT cop

who had already cleared Vecna

uh huh. why do i claim that as scum then? do you think the fact that both myself and cheeky hinted at it was just a coincidence?

zMuffinMan · Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:57 am

In post 4728, Creature wrote:I've been doing other stuff earlier

the sum total of your posts today has been "muffin outed scum, oath traitor" and that's it

name one other person you've called scum

zMuffinMan · Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:03 am

you havent called any of them scum

looking back at it you said something about a poe pool that included math and brian yeah (except you never brought it up again) and youve mentioned toranaga but you havent called him scum

"questioned hebi" lol

"voted titus" yeah at the very start of the day phase and then never moved it

zMuffinMan · Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:03 am

never moved it again*

zMuffinMan · Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:05 am

In post 3781, Creature wrote:can agree Brian is scum

wait nm you did call brian scum. im wrong

40 pages ago though

zMuffinMan · Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:08 am

still doesn't change the fact you've basically done nothing outside of coast on calling oath and i scum. the fact that you can bring up stray mentions of other players doesn't change this

and no, mentioning someone is lurking isn't expressing a scum read on them

zMuffinMan · Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:11 am

also seeing as the entire basis for you calling me scum atm is my claim (going to ignore the point you tried to make about me calling you scum because you could just look through my iso and see the majority of my posts today aren't about you), it's pretty funny that you're not answering the question about why it's apparently so scummy

zMuffinMan · Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:13 am

In post 4743, Creature wrote:Oath's still claiming 3p or is claiming aligned with town now?

she never claimed 3P - she's a non-competing faction

In post 4744, Creature wrote:They aren't stray mentions

... yes, they are. the fact that you've brought it up in passing and never made a big deal out of it is why it's a stray mention. brian was being wagoned recently. if you were scum-reading him more than in passing, where were you then?

zMuffinMan · Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:14 am

In post 4746, Creature wrote:You were pretty much coasting before I threatened a suicide bomb on you.

l o l, what, like less than 24 hours into the day phase?

yeah, your "threat" to suicide on me that was oh so real and i totally believed is what changed that over, i dunno, me not being asleep or at work

zMuffinMan · Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:16 am

In post 4748, Creature wrote:PT cop and 2-shot seer are like two cops (except one can't detect traitor, lol)

no they aren't, they serve entirely different functions

that's why i haven't given a shit about hebi's role. it doesn't conflict with mine

zMuffinMan · Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:19 am

In post 4713, Toranaga wrote:I ISO'd [Creature] and think [he's] town

what do you think he's done that comes from a town mindset?

zMuffinMan · Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:21 am

In post 4449, Creature wrote:guess I'm gonna stay with the safe lynch

this was your only post when brian was getting wagoned

zMuffinMan · Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:22 am

ultra strong scum read on him you apparently had

sure wasn't just a read you were making up in passing

totally believe you legit had a scum read on him

zMuffinMan · Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:21 am

hebi's role isn't at all similar to mine, jesus fucking christ. her role was probably meant to be a weak role that gave a lot of false positives but there just so happened to be a dead neighbouriser d1 and a dead JK-neighbouriser n1 and a neighbourhood that was outed early, which (on the assumption shes town) turned her role from a weak one to one that is actually useful

it has nothing to do with my role, it's an entirely separate category of investigative and it's only because of the way this game actually played out that it seems like they might conflict to some people

stop doing setup spec if youre so awful at it that you cant even think about how roles fit into a setup

zMuffinMan · Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:24 am

like PT cop in a game where basically everyone and their dog was going to be in a neighbourhood at some point isnt a strong role but circumstances with the way this game played out changed that slightly

and this isnt even taking into account potential counters like a traitor

zMuffinMan · Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:18 pm

In post 4820, Lady Angel wrote:Claiming seer and then saying you only targeted soft-confirmed players/dead players is a really easy way to get out of actually having results

so why would i bother claiming it as scum, then? i could just, you know... not claim seer. and then look, the entire reason that everyone has given for voting me is gone

In post 4820, Lady Angel wrote:he's defending it awfully hard since

lol. i address it when it gets brought up in conversation. maybe if it wasn't the

sole

reason that everyone (including yourself) is voting me, i wouldn't address it anywhere near as much. makes you think, doesn't it?

zMuffinMan · Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:35 am

In post 4815, HeWhoSwims wrote:But muffin... It's just convenient that your claim clears 2 people already considered cleared.

yeah, ok, but so what? what advantage did it give me as scum to claim it over just not claiming it? like why would i intentionally draw attention to myself when it's better to just not claim something so obviously controversial?

i find it funny that people think with all the possible things i could have done if i were scum, i chose to fake-claim something that has no upsides in terms of keeping suspicion away from me rofl

like yeah, i get that it's convenient that my targets are essentially useless, but both cheeky and i crumbed the vecna investigation D2 and it's not like i could have predicted that a neighbourhood that wasn't scum reading theta was gonna kill theta

speaking of which, creature was apparently town-reading theta D2 and doesn't seem to have spoken out against the theta shot. but let's continue ignoring another example of him making up reads, yeah

zMuffinMan · Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:42 am

whatever. people want to ignore creature for some reason

Vote: Titus

zMuffinMan · Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:20 pm

the sheer amount of positivity in this thread is overhwelming

i truly look forward to opening this thread every day

zMuffinMan · Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:15 pm

sorry

let's do it guys!!!

rah, rah, gooooooooooooo team!!!!!!!!!!!

zMuffinMan · Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:23 pm

lynch inside {creature,titus,mathblade,toranaga,nosferatu}

roughly in order of how im feeling about it now

funny thing is when i wanted to lynch mathblade, none of you seemed to want to. now it's apparently in fashion

zMuffinMan · Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:13 pm

tbh i think oath's role is essentially a town survivor. i.e. she has to be alive (i'm assuming no other vampires) when town wins to win with town

oh, and on thinking about it, dont know if nosferatu is cheeky enough scum that he'd actually push yuurei-slot and call yuurei town at the same time so he might be town

zMuffinMan · Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:30 am

who are your scum reads LA?

zMuffinMan · Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:03 am

i am imagining vecna snapping his keyboard in half and punching a hole in his monitor if this flips town

it's funny because all the slots i feel bad about jumped on it

zMuffinMan · Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:07 pm

tbh i think that neighbourhood should never have recruited in the first place

creature was probably the worst possible recruit on top of that

zMuffinMan · Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:18 pm

Vote: Titus

zMuffinMan · Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:20 pm

In post 5235, Titus wrote:Hebi actually is the one I saw doing the kill. Crumbed it a bit when vecna said one of hebi or zmuffin was scum. Wanted to see if hebi would fake a guilty in desperation.

lol

zMuffinMan · Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:22 pm

In post 5274, Ankamius wrote:Muffin is probably the third wolf then

no im not

zMuffinMan · Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:24 pm

dunno

titus and whoever titus is scum with

just vig kill me so i dont have to give a shit about the game anymore ty

zMuffinMan · Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:51 am

Unvote

zMuffinMan · Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:55 am

indeed

gamma could also be scum

zMuffinMan · Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:58 am

unless titus is just flat-out lying and they figured out nosferatu some other way

prob less likely than the alternative though

zMuffinMan · Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:17 am

hes claiming vampire so i guess he's technically not human regardless

zMuffinMan · Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:19 am

actually, this makes things simple

if neighbourhood cant shoot tonight, gamma is confirmed scum

zMuffinMan · Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:24 am

In post 5519, Ankamius wrote:Creature didn't start in the hood

It was Math + Gamma + Lady Angel

yeah. they also didn't shoot n1 so what's your point?

zMuffinMan · Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:23 pm

dont think so

also im town

zMuffinMan · Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:06 pm

probably easier to just think of it as factions, not alignments. human is a separate faction from mafia, vampires, angels, etc (not a different alignment) so ankamius is correct

also mathblade should confirm whether the hood would be able to recruit without any humans in it

also

Vote: hebi

zMuffinMan · Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:57 pm

i sincerely doubt there's a redirector in this game

hebi probably just didn't count on titus being confirmed lol

zMuffinMan · Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:10 pm

bullets don't scare me

unless theyre silver

zMuffinMan · Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:11 pm

tbh reducing the lynch pool prob isn't a bad thing in this situation so i don't really care about being shot after a scum lynch

i mean, id rather he shot scum but he do him

zMuffinMan · Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:04 pm

In post 5725, Nosferatu wrote:just so muffin has to stay longer

thanks m8, appreciate it... ... ...

zMuffinMan · Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:21 am

i'm town